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A place to form a Hessian state

A place to form a Hessian state
July 06, 2008, 05:39:35 AM
The lighthouse, which is also known as the Saybrook Breakwater Light, was built in 1886 out of cast iron and brick. The 49-foot tower stands on a half-mile long jetty at the entrance to Old Saybrook Harbor, where the Connecticut River empties into Long Island Sound.

The station is still a working lighthouse, with an automated green light flashing about every six seconds, run by the U.S. Coast Guard. Any new owner would have to continue to allow the agency to maintain the lighthouse as a working navigational station.

The excess property arm of the General Services Administration wants to transfer the ownership of the lighthouse to a government or nonprofit organization that can prove it has the means to protect and preserve the station for public education, recreation or historic preservation.

If such a group qualifies, the administration would sell the lighthouse to it for $1.

http://www.courant.com/news/local/sr/hc-osblight0705.artjul05,0,6488287.story

So this means... a place where no one cares how loud you are, where no rules apply, with plenty of space and a killer view.

For $1.

COME THE FUCK ON, LEIPZIG! LET'S GO!

ps - founding a nonprofit takes $300 and about four weeks.

Re: A place to form a Hessian state
July 08, 2008, 02:10:42 AM
Looked into it- the only hook is that you have to agree to preserve it, and that is sadly expensive.

Re: A place to form a Hessian state
July 10, 2008, 04:26:03 AM
The article also says that if no one that can preserve it pays the dollar, they'll put the lighthouse on auction. Hopefully no one cares enough about the lighthouse.

Re: A place to form a Hessian state
July 10, 2008, 04:32:08 PM
To preserve it, you can get federal funds if you have the wherewithal to start a not for profit corporation.

If not there, where else?

There's land just waiting to be bought, away from cities... but that would make it hard for hessians to get their booze, TV, CDs and other dramatic baby toys.

Re: A place to form a Hessian state
July 10, 2008, 06:55:37 PM
There was an old topic on this but it appears to have been deleted. Someone had posted a link for a website to buy islands, privateislands.com, but the site appears to be down right now. There were really cheap islands on there, in terms of price per acre, that were remote and fairly large. It was also discussed how in the U.S. there are vast expanses of unoccupied territory where anyone could just build a city and have their own laws. In fact it has been done. Also there are ghost towns where anyone could just walk in and take occupancy. There are also forests where people live without surveillance. Just think of the paramilitary groups that have bases and training facilities in forests in the U.S. Actually boondocks is the appropriate term, not forests, I believe. We can easily start a separate society there. Of course there non-peaceful alternatives.

Re: A place to form a Hessian state
July 10, 2008, 10:48:01 PM
I just did a quick Google search, and either the URL was misremembered or they moved to a new domain: http://www.privateislandsonline.com/

They have a message board, too, with an entire forum devoted to starting your own nation.

Re: A place to form a Hessian state
July 11, 2008, 03:46:59 PM
Maybe of interest: Building solar panels handbook.
You can build solar panels to internationally-patented plans, so long as you don't sell them commercially. Excess power (even in overcast countries, they ALWAYS generate excess) can be sold back to the power grid for profit.

As for situation, there are pros and cons to America:
Pros:
Cheap real estate
Large choice of isolated regions
Secure from marauding paramilitary action (relatively....)

Cons:

Very difficult for non-Americans to obtain visas without employment
Any transaction with a corrupt system is tacit support of the system
Economic benefits for the separatists will be minimal/non-existent when it comes to currency exchange (being as most would be Americans themselves).
Separatist movements falling increasingly out of favour within governmental thinking.

In the 1960's many ideologically separatist/collectivist sects were established in Afganistan by hippies. In the 1970's in India. The unintrusive government, dirt-cheap cost of living and the state support of "spiritual organisations" makes Asia a more realistic prospect.

Re: A place to form a Hessian state
July 11, 2008, 06:58:52 PM
Also there are ghost towns where anyone could just walk in and take occupancy.

That's the coolest idea on this subject I've heard so far.  If its not too difficult could you maybe provide a few examples?

Re: A place to form a Hessian state
July 11, 2008, 10:06:43 PM
Ghost towns are all over the U.S., mostly in the west. They were built when large groups of people moved in to the area to find opportunities for financial success. Mostly they were formed by miners. Some towns were abandoned when they ran out of resources, bandits took over the town, etc. Some of those towns still remain, though the buildings are decayed and outdated.  Taking occupancy in one of these towns removes the need to build new structures. However, roads were built through these towns before they were abandoned that remained in use after they were abandoned. so these ghost towns aren't really isolated even though only a few people would ever pass through. These people may be familiar with the town and report that it is occupied which is probably illegal.

The privateislandsonline looks the same as the site I remember.

Re: A place to form a Hessian state
July 11, 2008, 10:32:21 PM
Ghost towns are all over the U.S., mostly in the west. They were built when large groups of people moved in to the area to find opportunities for financial success. Mostly they were formed by miners. Some towns were abandoned when they ran out of resources, bandits took over the town, etc. Some of those towns still remain, though the buildings are decayed and outdated.  Taking occupancy in one of these towns removes the need to build new structures. However, roads were built through these towns before they were abandoned that remained in use after they were abandoned. so these ghost towns aren't really isolated even though only a few people would ever pass through. These people may be familiar with the town and report that it is occupied which is probably illegal.

As you mention, these towns were formed and consequently abandoned with the rise and fall of whatever commodity they were exploiting.  The reason they stand unoccupied is because they could only be sustained by this single means -- as such, they are more or less useless as places to start communities.  The land is likely not arable and the climate forboding for them to have collapsed so thoroughly.  They may have cheap/free abandoned infrastructure, but that is about it.

Important site characteristics for the future:
Navigable and fishable water
Rail (roads will be virtually inconsequential compared to this should either matter)
Hearty, wooded land, with game (prairie scrub will not cut it)
Arable and tillable soil

Without at least three of these four you're asking for trouble.

Re: A place to form a Hessian state
July 11, 2008, 10:44:14 PM
Maybe of interest: Building solar panels handbook.
Cons:[/u]
Any transaction with a corrupt system is tacit support of the system

If it was possible to operate without doing this, why would anyone be forming such a state in the first place?

Re: A place to form a Hessian state
July 12, 2008, 12:12:19 AM
Maybe of interest: Building solar panels handbook.
Cons:[/u]
Any transaction with a corrupt system is tacit support of the system

If it was possible to operate without doing this, why would anyone be forming such a state in the first place?

On the contrary - the wish to operate without such complicity is usually the primary motivation of these groups.

[According to quick google reference only:] Non-religious organised communities in the States do not enjoy tax exempt status. Other countries allow tax exempt status for the more loosely defined "spiritual centres", including the New Age basketweaver type religions. If the bong-and-josticks merchants can get away tax free, then anyone can.

Have a look at Auroville, one of the most famous examples. Whereas these communities are typically looked down on when they occur in Western countries, Auroville gained standing in the region as it regenerated the land AND (more importantly to the cynical wider world) due to the positive economic impact of the hippies' holiday money/cashed in life savings that came along with the hempshirts.