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Predominant racial types amongst metal musicians

Predominant racial types amongst metal musicians
October 30, 2008, 03:28:27 AM
Alright, here's an interesting topic which I've thought over the years and I think could generate some good discussion and flaming.

First off, I'm talking solely about Indo-European metal musicians. We can all list exceptions like Kirk Hammet and Mike Smith, but in essence, all of the innovators, theoreticians, and most legendary composers of metal were wholly European, and metal remains an Indo-European art even though members of other races have been inspired by it, and contributed to it. So let's not get derailed into some bullshit PC discussion. Also, I'm only talking about the GOOD metal bands (and fans).

Now something I've realized is, though we may only realize it subconsciously, certain physical and racial types have a predominance in metal bands. And correspondingly, certain physical and (European) racial types have very little representation in metal. Harmony of frame has something to do with it, certainly... ill-proportioned bodies would look very out of place at both a metal show and in a metal band. My question is, does racial type factor in too? Certainly there's certain people who look "stronger" or more intelligent regardless of type... but for example, are there many "Alpine" types in metal? (Look at Bruce Day for an exception- and he always did look kind of unfitting to Hellhammer).

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Contrarily, it's not a simple, Nordicist explanation, leading to, "well us Hessians are the true aristocracy of society, etc, etc." Many very aristocratic-looking, Nordic-type individuals would look really out of place in a metal band. My first thoughts were that so called Cro-magnon types were predominant (who have a strong connection the ancient warrior caste). that might be stretching things.

Note that I have no agenda. This is just something I noticed since I first got into metal and as I read books like "The Races of Europe" and other old anthropological works I became even more interested. The whole Nordic/Alpine/Mediterranean division is kind of outdated too. My question really is this- is there a metal "look"? Is it based on racial traits, or strength and proportion of body and frame? Does harmony of features play any part in it? Are there any very strange or ugly looking metal musicians amongst the greats? Or is it that my viewpoint has been skewed by the enormous amounts of tremendously ugly people I see every day, and they're the exceptions, instead of something I should compare healthy people to?

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Are there any very strange or ugly looking metal musicians amongst the greats?

If I were to think of the epitome (and stereotype) of a death metal fan the word ugly would be raised prominently. I personaly have never noticed any difference in attractiveness of metal musicans to differ from other forms of music asides from pop-culture where image is important.

It is certainly an interesting notion but I am tempted to dismiss it out of hand as nothing more than conditioning. If you are interested in notable attempts by humans to define human beauty you can look at the writings of Leonardo da Vinci or you can investigate the Buddhist idea of correct bodily proportions. 

If I were to think of the epitome (and stereotype) of a death metal fan the word ugly would be raised prominently.
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"The gift of death metal does not smile on the good looking."

First off, I'm talking solely about Indo-European metal musicians. We can all list exceptions like Kirk Hammet and Mike Smith, but in essence, all of the innovators, theoreticians, and most legendary composers of metal were wholly European
Depending on which historical doctrine you subscribe to, the roots of metal in rock owes a lot to blues musicians, like Chuck Berry and that Jimi Hendrix guy too.  Of course this is open to debate and I'm not going to be able to get away with saying this on this site, even though most mainstream rock historians would support this view.

Also, I'm only talking about the GOOD metal bands
You can practically hand pick which ever bands you want to support your argument here...
(and fans).
even more so...

Now something I've realized is, though we may only realize it subconsciously
Anyone sees whatever they want to see "subconsciously."  This is called projection.  Let's see some hardcore empirical evidence, like a survey maybe?


Harmony of frame has something to do with it, certainly... ill-proportioned bodies would look very out of place at both a metal show and in a metal band.
Hmm my subconscious is telling me the opposite is true.

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My question is, does racial type factor in too? Certainly there's certain people who look "stronger" or more intelligent regardless of type... but for example, are there many "Alpine" types in metal? (Look at Bruce Day for an exception- and he always did look kind of unfitting to Hellhammer).
This is mostly due to the self-selection bias because of culture.

Overall I don't think there is any correlation for physical attractiveness or body type, even though there are stereotypes that go both ways.
The whole issue of race is a cultural thing, again.
Formerly known as "Metalist"

ok... your examples were absolutely meaningless... that's why i said GOOD metal bands (and by good i mean great).

Just take a look at Varg - the guy looks like what I imagine to be the prototype of Hitler's Aryan race.  Not to be a fag about it, but let's face it - the guy's handsome - very Nordic looking, broad shoulders, masculine but not so overly masculine that he's "ugly" or "harsh," in a word I would call him "fair," in his more youthful pictures (from like ages 18-22) you can pick up on his, dare I say, more "feminine" characteristics (I'm talking about his face, here), I saw some really early pictures in 'Lords of Chaos' and he was a really cute kid - in summation:  he reminds me of myself - haha.

Or Ildjarn.  Again, handsome man.  Very "fair" looking.  Not harsh at all.  Take a look at this picture:  Ildjarn.  Dare I say he has just the slightest touch of androgynous features.
I live in my own place
Have never copied nobody even half
And at any Master who lacks the grace
To laugh at himself, I laugh!

ok... your examples were absolutely meaningless... that's why i said GOOD metal bands (and by good i mean great).

I think we can finally conclude...



true metal has less calories than false metal.
Formerly known as "Metalist"

Depending on which historical doctrine you subscribe to, the roots of metal in rock owes a lot to blues musicians, like Chuck Berry and that Jimi Hendrix guy too.  Of course this is open to debate and I'm not going to be able to get away with saying this on this site, even though most mainstream rock historians would support this view.

Oh you're such an iconoclast. So unique! So ironic! So hip and fresh and progressive and different! How can I be like you?

Rock "historians" are advertisers. That's why no respected historian has touched the subject.

Has anyone noticed how blues musicians owe a lot to European music?

* Song form: German folk
* Pentatonics: Celtic folk
* Tuning and scales: German classical
* Instruments: German polka and waltz bands and Spanish guitarists

So that leaves us with... well, waltz/polka musicians used the full drumkit, and did use syncopation, but they didn't play it constantly. The blues plays it constantly. That's "new."

And uh... using a pentatonic scale with a blue note, or in other words, the moveable color notes from a chromatic scale. That's "new," sorta, although the combination was known in Europe and India long before the blues came about.

So what were the contributions of the blues again? Please tell me. I'd love to know, so I can be as progressive and hip as you!
ASBO

“Kurt Cobain was, ladies and gentlemen, a worthless shred of human debris.” - Rush Limbaugh

Contrarily, it's not a simple, Nordicist explanation, leading to, "well us Hessians are the true aristocracy of society, etc, etc." Many very aristocratic-looking, Nordic-type individuals would look really out of place in a metal band. My first thoughts were that so called Cro-magnon types were predominant (who have a strong connection the ancient warrior caste). that might be stretching things.

http://www.sickdrummer.com/images_shirts/mike_smith_sd_shirt.jpg

I think this topic has a bad title. It should be:

Predominant facial/body/caste types amongst metal musicians

As you pointed out, race is not what's being discussed here, because other than the fortunate few exceptions, metal is a European art form.

That being said...

I think metal -- by this I mean its innovators -- fits people who want a masculine, warlike, music that worships power instead of trying to bend to the crowd and offer up some pandering moral platitude.
ASBO

“Kurt Cobain was, ladies and gentlemen, a worthless shred of human debris.” - Rush Limbaugh

ah, thanks ASBO. that's what i was trying to say

here's Demilich.  First of all, it's kind of funny that all these guys kind of look like each other.  Secondly, again, these guys do not look cro-magnon, or "harsh," in the least.  The man in the forefront (is this Antti?) actually reminds me of Ildjarn because, again, there's something "neutral" about the way his face looks, maybe not androgynous, but not overly masculine.  he almost looks like an alien or something - same thing with Ildjarn.

here's a younger Bathory.  And here:  http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z50/Gawenbass/Quorthon5B685D.jpg  I obviously can't confirm that this is, indeed, Quorthon, but assuming it is, he's clearly a handsome man.  Not "harsh" or overly masculine, at all.  Again, I don't think it's that crazy to say he has some "feminine" features.

In summation:  between Ildjarn, Varg, and Quorthon, at least, I don't think the innovators of metal look cro-magnon, or "harsh," at all.  They're VERY "fair" looking.

let me also make a point about good looking women.  I happen to think that some of most beautiful girls I've known, and some of the best lays I've had, have actually been women who are slightly "Tom-boyish" in looks and personality - taller, athletic build, don't need a lot of makeup, they have a "manly" libido.  these are the kind of girls you want to settle down with.  they're a better lay and they're not consumed with their looks.

so here's the point:  it doesn't surprise me that brilliant men have feminine features, and it doesn't surprise me that great women have masculine features.  let's face it:  we're as much a product of our father as we are our mother.  every male has some female in them and every female has some male in them.  In the Jungian archetype terminology it is anima and animus.  A well-turned out person has their anima and animus in balance.  in the Jungian archetype scheme, when anima and animus is in perfect union, it is called syzygy.
I live in my own place
Have never copied nobody even half
And at any Master who lacks the grace
To laugh at himself, I laugh!

Its surprising how much Qourthon looks like me :P. I don't think one can draw any theory about how attractive metal musicians are, it is something of an unfair steriotype that most metalheads are ugly, but no matter how many exceptions to this one draws one, one can find an equal number that seem to follow this rule.

In terms of race it is clear it is overwhelming a white male game, and the exceptions do not disprove this general rule.
In a state of permanent Abyss

Ok so who is going to be on the cover of the ANUS true metal calendar swimsuit edition?

Quorthon? http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z50/Gawenbass/Quorthon5B685D.jpg

or Varg? http://www.burzum.com/burzum/library/gallery/images/eighti.gif
Formerly known as "Metalist"

HA!
I live in my own place
Have never copied nobody even half
And at any Master who lacks the grace
To laugh at himself, I laugh!

let me also make a point about good looking women.  I happen to think that some of most beautiful girls I've known, and some of the best lays I've had, have actually been women who are slightly "Tom-boyish" in looks and personality - taller, athletic build, don't need a lot of makeup, they have a "manly" libido.  these are the kind of girls you want to settle down with.  they're a better lay and they're not consumed with their looks.

I'm frantically searching this paragraph for objectivity and failing: "better lay"? I must have missed that derivable piece of universal wisedom in my epistemological studies, or was it on a Rosetta stone of modernity? Yes I'm being a cynical bastard---I disagree with your conclusions.

I agree with this point: Settle down with someone that is not concerned (consumed? chomp munch burp, looking in the mirror is like eating chocolate cake?) with looks. Although I wouldn't be attracted to someone that rolls in their own shit.

Being tall and/or athletic doesn't corroborate with being 'tom-boyish', although you are probably correct in asserting that tom-boys have a manly libido. Perhaps that last point is axiomatic? I don't think they necessarily make good partners, as I'm of the inclination that a good partner should not butt heads with me as another male would. I don't want an alpha-male in female form. I can only forsee argument after argument with these independent, 'free-thinking', hip women: this is where I point to Eva Herman's "Das Eva-Prinzip" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Herman).

Opinion (not objective): I'd much prefer a submissive (too much Schopenhauer for me?) yet intelligent (good mental health) female, as I believe that is more natural to their role as a potential mother. 'Athletic', ie physically healthy is a must.

13X

Depending on which historical doctrine you subscribe to, the roots of metal in rock owes a lot to blues musicians, like Chuck Berry and that Jimi Hendrix guy too.  Of course this is open to debate and I'm not going to be able to get away with saying this on this site, even though most mainstream rock historians would support this view.

Oh you're such an iconoclast. So unique! So ironic! So hip and fresh and progressive and different! How can I be like you?

Rock "historians" are advertisers. That's why no respected historian has touched the subject.

Has anyone noticed how blues musicians owe a lot to European music?

* Song form: German folk
* Pentatonics: Celtic folk
* Tuning and scales: German classical
* Instruments: German polka and waltz bands and Spanish guitarists

So that leaves us with... well, waltz/polka musicians used the full drumkit, and did use syncopation, but they didn't play it constantly. The blues plays it constantly. That's "new."

And uh... using a pentatonic scale with a blue note, or in other words, the moveable color notes from a chromatic scale. That's "new," sorta, although the combination was known in Europe and India long before the blues came about.

So what were the contributions of the blues again? Please tell me. I'd love to know, so I can be as progressive and hip as you!

You don't have to be innovative to be influential. Rock groups like Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix and Black Sabbath weren't listening to German polka and Celtic folk. They were listening to Robert Johnson and Mississippi Fred McDowell. Not that that makes them musical geniuses or anything. Just influential musicians.