Are most metalheads just...losers?

[ASBO]

I've learned to distinguish between people who do things because they're important, and people who fail at life and so find some reason to be "important" outside of succeeding.

Here -- you tell me if this fits the profile:

18-38, working a series of jobs in the food service and retail industries, highest point in career was some job where having an opinion was important like a small newspaper, spends most of his/her money on entertainment, has no plans or ability to have family or clue, lives in a series of shitty apartments, drives a series of shitty cars, is clearly a disillusioned, disaffected, depressed, low-self-esteem, underachieving malcontent, yet blames society for his/her problems.

Look at them
Another idiot
They get all butthurt and reply

You know what?

FUCK THESE PEOPLE.

These idiots are the cause of all misery in life. Society supports them; we must tolerate them; yet what do they contribute?

Well, they buy CDs... of shitty bands. They buy books... on moronic topics. They are hipsters idiots who have no purpose and do nothing important.

They are as useless as the slash and burn farmers of the third world, who upon finding a beautiful forest, cut it down and set it ablaze, then do the same thing next year to another patch of forest. Stupid people do destructive things because stupid can only destroy.

Why does anyone want to be in solidarity with these bricks of human shit and their pretentious claim to having some importance? They should be digging up turnips and keeping their mouths closed. Instead, we tolerate them...

WHY

[death metal black metal]

This reply isn't on topic, but it's something I've been tossing around in my head: most people are incomplete. It doesn't make sense to use terms like loser because they imply a game to win. But most people have no purpose and no moral grounding, so they never take a stand for anything, which means that they are just drifting through, so even if they make a fortune and get famous, they're still these empty, needy, dramatic people. Most metalheads especially under age 27 are like this, especially the drama. They think they are king of their little mountain and that anyone cares. They have no idea what the passing of time will do to them, and how it will belittle their small empires and personal drama.

[JewishPhysics]

I've made this point before, but I'll echo it here.

One of the biggest problems with modern man is the hyper-inflated ego.  Everybody thinks that they're important and their opinion counts.  Nobody can allow their precious little ego to be damaged, so they have to construct illusions around reality that tell them that they are perfect but society and everyone else is keeping them down.

Anyway, getting really pissed at these people and claiming they are the source of all misery isn't helpful.  Even if we were to agree that these people were the absolute worst problem facing our species right now, it wouldn't change the fact that misery always has and will continue to be a natural part of life.

[anthropoid sarcophagus]

I forget that a good chunk of people who like metal are like this. When I speak scornfully about metalheads or metal culture it's usually in regards to the hobbyist types. As with all types of music..there are people who hear it and then there are people who listen to it. If the majority of metalheads are people who hear metal and use it to define them as a person..then yeah I guess they are losers,along with rest of the masses that make up society. It's about as simple as that. They don't ruin metal for me...not that they ruin it as a personal experience for any of us but I can see how one might become frustrated,seeing these commoner types(barely grasping the art that is metal),under the same basic "banner" of metal. But it seems to me that most metalheads who treat metal as serious art,interpreting it as being something more than just entertainment, end up on this site or just keep to themselves and don't belong to any type of metal group of friends.

[satans_underwear]

Perhaps age is wearing me down into a jaded old man, but people to open their eyes and look at the bigger picture more........and realise they dont count!
All this recent feeling sorry for yourself emo shit I see in young kids today apalls me. A lot seem to think only of themselves and what they believe they deserve from others, rather than getting off their asses and looking for it themselves. Usually a few metalheads are wiser than this, as is evident by sites like this, so perhaps it just the crap music they deem as good rotting their brains perhaps??

[death metal black metal]

Perhaps age is wearing me down into a jaded old man, but people to open their eyes and look at the bigger picture more........and realise they dont count!
All this recent feeling sorry for yourself emo shit I see in young kids today apalls me. A lot seem to think only of themselves and what they believe they deserve from others, rather than getting off their asses and looking for it themselves. Usually a few metalheads are wiser than this, as is evident by sites like this, so perhaps it just the crap music they deem as good rotting their brains perhaps??

I think what you said above is what "Only Death Is Real" tried to communicate

[Gregorian Watcher]

In some ways, this "emo" behaviour is necessary as one of life's great 'tests' to let someone else slap them upside the head and tell them to "GROW UP" and see if it works.

Immaturity comes before maturity, just like wisdom in life comes with experience.  Just like everyone who grows and develops physically, also grows and develops intellectually, emotionally, psychologically, etc.  Others do to a limit, or don't altogether and stagnate into drifters and leeches.  Nature works in its own little ways of developing the strong seperately from the weak, sometimes a little more gradually than others at times.

If you "listen" to metal as a few here have already mentioned - and I agree, instead of just "hearing it," hopefully, those who act immature will have fate deal them a card of maturity and change their outlook on life.  Some people can change for the better, others are far too "gone" for any possible chance.

Hopefully, some of these people do break out of this uncreative, unproductive phase.  Those who don't, and still behave in this matter spanning years later with age (limitless) will be the ones forgotten.

Again, since life is a process, so is the process of maturity and literally "growing up."

[Gregorian Watcher]

My experience may be a bit limited, but from what I've personally experienced and witnessed so far, the metalheads whom I've seen as "losers" other than those highlighted on the posted link - thanks ABSO for posting - are people who continually perpetuate the negative mainstream stereotype of a "metalhead."  These are the people who are addicts (drugs, alcohol, porno, etc.) and drifters with their rather silly, immature, homo-erotic party attitude and behaviour.  The ones who like to listen to metal as just another form of "music" or "rock" or not only use the term as an artificial form of identity, as someone else here in this thread put it - thank you, but also to use that same identity as a deluded form or farce of "everlasting youth."

For example:  "Yeah man, I"m gonna rock n' roll all night and party everyday until I die!" \m/\m/

These people don't do anything more but use the music for pure, personal entertainment and nothing else.  Additionally, many believe it will preserve an element of "youthfulness" or some delusion of "self-righteous immortality."

I've had a few instances where I actually tried to make a good debate on other forums and, not surprisingly, I got ridiculed for "taking the music too seriously." 

I don't care, they're the ones who don't understand or appreciate the inner beauty of life.  They're just a bunch of "scenesters."  Even in a supposedly "outcast" subculture, even I am an outcast among the "outcasts" for making a more valid, legitimate point. 

As ABSO said himself:  F**K THESE PEOPLE!  Or in short, just F**K 'EM!

[berzhas]

What it means to be serious about life? Should we all take loans, buy big houses and then work constantly for next 40 years, just to prove something? There are people who fear uncertainties of life or maybe are bored of it, so they tend to live safe bourgeois lives and silently wait for death, while comforting themselves as more "mature" than others.  A dozen of famous artists, musicians, composers, poets, writers and "heroes" we all know had lived a complicated, non-normal life.

People who spend their lives collecting vinyls and working shitty jobs are not dangerous to this society... the most dangerous are the greedy people. Let's stand for the adventure.

[kontinual]

A dozen of famous artists, musicians, composers, poets, writers and "heroes" we all know had lived a complicated, non-normal life.

This failure of logic has re-appeared a lot here recently.  Just because excellent artists, musicians, intellectuals etc. have often lived "non-normal lives" (usually by virtue of their excellence in their unique fields) does not somehow mean that "non-normal living" is something to strive for in itself, or that one is a hero for living in that way.  This excuse seems to flow often from people who are smart enough to understand their station but, usually due to a cocktail of character flaws, don't really care to do anything for themselves except generate justification for having accomplished little, be they "normal" or "non-normal" achievements.

Note that the above is not directed at anybody here in particular.

[ASBO]

In other words, acting like Nietzsche's lifestyle does not make you Nietzsche, but it's a convenient justification for your lack of success at anything in life.

[we hope you die]

Nietzsche was very contradictory in this respect. For all his writing of the overman he was incredibly submissive to his mother and older sister and an inredibly sickly man. His mind was strong willed, but his body was not. One should live by what he taught and not how he actually lived.

[Istaev]

I think what you said above is what "Only Death Is Real" tried to communicate

"only death is real" = "death is certain (life is not)"? or "death rules supreme"? or both? [in reference to http://www.anus.com/etc/prozakhistan/mortem.htm ]
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2 cents: of course metalheads are losers; they're dropouts and pariahs by definition. traditionally, metalheads are impervious to ridicule from normals. in their adolescent rebellion they perceive competition for social status as a rat race: pointless and self-defeating. perhaps they're right although maybe they think this way because they have feelings of inferiority. having read a couple of tom wolfe novels, I've come to appreciate the importance status has which people like metalheads are loathe to acknowledge because, voluntarily or involuntarily, they're at the bottom. I don't endorse "get a haircut/get a real job/fit in" because that won't make you happier or a better person. at best it's a means to an end.

[Chains]

2 cents: of course metalheads are losers; they're dropouts and pariahs by definition. traditionally, metalheads are impervious to ridicule from normals. in their adolescent rebellion they perceive competition for social status as a rat race: pointless and self-defeating. perhaps they're right although maybe they think this way because they have feelings of inferiority. having read a couple of tom wolfe novels, I've come to appreciate the importance status has which people like metalheads are loathe to acknowledge because, voluntarily or involuntarily, they're at the bottom. I don't endorse "get a haircut/get a real job/fit in" because that won't make you happier or a better person. at best it's a means to an end.

The amount of metalheads at my university is staggering. They all listen to in flames, children of bodom and cradle of filth and the likes of course, but they clearly belong to the smarter segment of society, and certainly aren't 'dropouts and losers'. 

[wEEman33]

College kids are the new "losers."

They just "lose" in a different way than "losers" did back in the '80s-'90s:

I go to college
That makes me so cool
I live in a dorm
And show off by the pool

I join the right clubs
Just to build an impression
I block out thinking
It won't get me ahead

My ambition in life
Is to look good on paper
All I want is a slot
In some big corporation

John Belushi's my hero
I lampoon and I ape him
My news of the world
Comes from Sports Illustrated

I'm proud of my trophies
Like my empty beer cans
Stacked in rows up the wall
To impress all my friends

No, I'm not here to learn
I just want to get drunk
And major in business
And be taught how to fuck

Win! Win!
I always play to win
Wanna fit in like a cog
In the faceless machine

I'm a terminal terminal terminal preppie
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I want a wife with tits
Who just smiles all the time
In my centerfold world
Filled with Springsteen and wine

Some day I'll have power
Some day I'll have boats
A tract in some suburb
With Thanksgivings to host

I'm a terminal terminal terminal preppie
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