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The 'morons' and their role in society

The 'morons' and their role in society
December 19, 2008, 05:35:39 AM
Hello all. Long time lurker, first time poster here.

I've been a pretty avid reader of ANUS's articles for a while now, and I thought I'd bring  to attention something that's always irked me about this site's philosophy. Specifically, the notion that people considered morons need to be eliminated to achieve a higher quality of humanity (mentioned in various writings, most recently "A Design for the Future").

How does this community define a 'moron'? It is a rather ambiguous term. Is it used in the "low intellectual capacity" sense? If so, I'd hardly say that this is grounds for extermination, as there are other (arguably more important) dimensions to a persons character than just intelligence. I know people who haven't touched a book outside of school in their lives, yet are more spiritually sound than others who ardently read philosophy. Not to mention that there really isn't an effective way to empirically determine a person's intellect. Take Mr. Azagthoth, for example: Judging just from his interview videos, he isn't exactly articulate in his manner of speech... to say the least. I'd most likely dismiss him as an imbecile if I were to ever shoot the breeze with him without prior knowledge of who he was. However, we know from his music (and even his liner notes) that he is, in fact, a very smart dude.

Even if a consensus of what a moron is was reached, and a system of effectively determining morondom was developed, would liquidating the world's idiots really be beneficial? A balance of good and evil is required for the 'meta-good'. I believe the maintenance of this 'meta-good' also requires a balance of intelligence and idiocy. The world needs ditch diggers, after all.

Apologies if this has been previously addressed :P

Re: The 'morons' and their role in society
December 19, 2008, 08:57:12 AM
How does this community define a 'moron'? It is a rather ambiguous term. Is it used in the "low intellectual capacity" sense?

"Overweight, stupid, neurotic, selfish, greedy and directionless. They comprise the low-quality segment of humanity and they're all around us. This page is dedicated to show just how far the stupidity of morons can really go."

Hall of Morons

You know a moron when you see it, and intelligence happens to be a remarkably accurate indicator of a person's mental faculties.

If so, I'd hardly say that this is grounds for extermination, as there are other (arguably more important) dimensions to a persons character than just intelligence. I know people who haven't touched a book outside of school in their lives, yet are more spiritually sound than others who ardently read philosophy.

That's just fluff.

Pentti Linkola never completed any academic studies and lives very modestly, yet it's obvious that he's a highly intelligent person. I don't see that as a coincidence considering his impressive lineage.

Not to mention that there really isn't an effective way to empirically determine a person's intellect.

Where's the proof for your assertions? Nevermind, I will provide the evidence for mine.

Quote
Finger Length Predicts SAT Performance

A quick look at the lengths of children's index and ring fingers can be used to predict how well students will perform on SATs, new research claims.

Kids with longer ring fingers compared to index fingers are likely to have higher math scores than literacy or verbal scores on the college entrance exam, while children with the reverse finger-length ratio are likely to have higher reading and writing, or verbal, scores versus math scores.

See CORRUPT data for more proof on biological determinism and such.

Quality of sperm depends on intelligence of man

A taboo as strong as race: genetic Class differences

Science is Racist

Creativity Versus Intelligence: One Creates the Other

Take Mr. Azagthoth, for example: Judging just from his interview videos, he isn't exactly articulate in his manner of speech... to say the least. I'd most likely dismiss him as an imbecile if I were to ever shoot the breeze with him without prior knowledge of who he was. However, we know from his music (and even his liner notes) that he is, in fact, a very smart dude.

Bad example. He seems more a geek than a moron.

Even if a consensus of what a moron is was reached, and a system of effectively determining morondom was developed, would liquidating the world's idiots really be beneficial?

This planet is overpopulated. The ones that breed most are the poorest, least compassionate, and least intelligent of humanity, are they not? It would make sense to reduce the least intelligent first.

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Social Integration of Robots into Groups of Cockroaches to Control Self-Organized Choices

Collective behavior based on self-organization has been shown in group-living animals from insects to vertebrates. These findings have stimulated engineers to investigate approaches for the coordination of autonomous multirobot systems based on self-organization. In this experimental study, we show collective decision-making by mixed groups of cockroaches and socially integrated autonomous robots, leading to shared shelter selection. Individuals, natural or artificial, are perceived as equivalent, and the collective decision emerges from nonlinear feedbacks based on local interactions. Even when in the minority, robots can modulate the collective decision-making process and produce a global pattern not observed in their absence. These results demonstrate the possibility of using intelligent autonomous devices to study and control self-organized behavioral patterns in group-living animals.

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/318/5853/1155

Regarding to this piece of science, I think it's fairly obvious that morons influence the society in a negative manner, creating a global pattern for equalization and disruption of civilization.

Why Idiots Think They are Morally Superior and Smarter to You

Conservatives are more intelligent

Socialism: Reversal of Natural Selection That Will Destroy Your Nation

Who Loves Equality?

A balance of good and evil is required for the 'meta-good'. I believe the maintenance of this 'meta-good' also requires a balance of intelligence and idiocy.

Why do you try to justify idiocy? Life should prove battle enough even without the morons wasting space and time.

The world needs ditch diggers, after all.

Do you realize that most of the world's infrastructure, thus also ditches, exist to pamper the morons? We don't need more slavish morlocks to do biddings for us, but a more intelligent society with better design. An intelligent society will have the means to get more done with less effort.

Equality is a superstition.

EDIT: Language.

Re: The 'morons' and their role in society
December 19, 2008, 03:59:55 PM
An aside:

When seeing metal musicians speak, be very careful -- they are often stoned, drunk, tired, or talking to morons, and so they adjust their speech.

For example, Ross Dolan of Immolation -- a smart guy who doesn't drink or take drugs -- will be asked stupid questions by stupid people on tour when he's dead tired, and he's too nice to blow them off, so answers in a way they'll understand.

If all you see is that video clip, problems will occur.

Re: The 'morons' and their role in society
December 19, 2008, 05:47:16 PM
An aside:

When seeing metal musicians speak, be very careful -- they are often stoned, drunk, tired, or talking to morons, and so they adjust their speech.

For example, Ross Dolan of Immolation -- a smart guy who doesn't drink or take drugs -- will be asked stupid questions by stupid people on tour when he's dead tired, and he's too nice to blow them off, so answers in a way they'll understand.

If all you see is that video clip, problems will occur.

This probably explains why many metal interviews are less than articulate, and also why written/typed interviews tend to be more articulate than video interviews.

13X

Re: The 'morons' and their role in society
December 19, 2008, 11:01:19 PM
Those who constantly complain about "morons" / "normals" seem more interested in using the ignorance of others as an ego trip where they see themselves as superior to the Masses, as opposed to real analysis of the factors which have caused our society to be the way it is. Why waste time considering difficult sociopolitical questions when you can just wank yourself off over how much smarter you are than everyone else? The stupidity of the average person must just be an immutable part of life, not the direct result of certain social institutions and economic practices.

Re: The 'morons' and their role in society
December 19, 2008, 11:34:10 PM
Those who constantly complain about "morons" / "normals" seem more interested in using the ignorance of others as an ego trip where they see themselves as superior to the Masses, as opposed to real analysis of the factors which have caused our society to be the way it is. Why waste time considering difficult sociopolitical questions when you can just wank yourself off over how much smarter you are than everyone else? The stupidity of the average person must just be an immutable part of life, not the direct result of certain social institutions and economic practices.

Point made, but there is certainly a genetic component at play as well.

Re: The 'morons' and their role in society
December 19, 2008, 11:52:17 PM
Those who constantly complain about "morons" / "normals" seem more interested in using the ignorance of others as an ego trip where they see themselves as superior to the Masses, as opposed to real analysis of the factors which have caused our society to be the way it is. Why waste time considering difficult sociopolitical questions when you can just wank yourself off over how much smarter you are than everyone else? The stupidity of the average person must just be an immutable part of life, not the direct result of certain social institutions and economic practices.
So everyone who notes a lack of intelligence amongst the mass population is immediately attempting to boost their ego regardless of their intent? Every time that someone points out inequality, in every single situation in which this has happened in history, has only been playing a social power game?

Re: The 'morons' and their role in society
December 20, 2008, 12:42:36 AM
Those who constantly complain about "morons" / "normals" seem more interested in using the ignorance of others as an ego trip where they see themselves as superior to the Masses, as opposed to real analysis of the factors which have caused our society to be the way it is. Why waste time considering difficult sociopolitical questions when you can just wank yourself off over how much smarter you are than everyone else? The stupidity of the average person must just be an immutable part of life, not the direct result of certain social institutions and economic practices.

You are: a typical liberal.

Sociopolitical questions, not the idiocy of the masses, must be responsible.

It's anything but the quality of people and their delusions.

Facts: most people are shitheads who should be serfs; sociopolitical conditions AROSE FROM THAT, not created it.

Re: The 'morons' and their role in society
December 20, 2008, 12:44:14 AM
Those who constantly complain about "morons" / "normals" seem more interested in using the ignorance of others as an ego trip where they see themselves as superior to the Masses, as opposed to real analysis of the factors which have caused our society to be the way it is. Why waste time considering difficult sociopolitical questions when you can just wank yourself off over how much smarter you are than everyone else? The stupidity of the average person must just be an immutable part of life, not the direct result of certain social institutions and economic practices.

How does this account for the fact that the distribution of intelligence among the population hasn't varied all that much historically, despite the radical variance in historical 'social institutions' and 'economic practices,' even within "Western" culture?

Re: The 'morons' and their role in society
December 20, 2008, 12:57:37 AM
Those who constantly complain about "morons" / "normals" seem more interested in using the ignorance of others as an ego trip where they see themselves as superior to the Masses, as opposed to real analysis of the factors which have caused our society to be the way it is. Why waste time considering difficult sociopolitical questions when you can just wank yourself off over how much smarter you are than everyone else? The stupidity of the average person must just be an immutable part of life, not the direct result of certain social institutions and economic practices.

You are: a typical liberal.

Sociopolitical questions, not the idiocy of the masses, must be responsible.

It's anything but the quality of people and their delusions.

Facts: most people are shitheads who should be serfs; sociopolitical conditions AROSE FROM THAT, not created it.

your final statement is true, but his own statements indicate truth as well, even if they don't lead to a fully accomplished conclusion. the majority of those who sneer do so out of insecurity and inflated ego. the "why idiots think..." article linked by nothingness only proves this.

Re: The 'morons' and their role in society
December 20, 2008, 01:01:40 AM
your final statement is true, but his own statements indicate truth as well, even if they don't lead to a fully accomplished conclusion. the majority of those who sneer do so out of insecurity and inflated ego. the "why idiots think..." article linked by nothingness only proves this.

If his whole statements are not true, then he has a correct observation which he has turned into a stupid philosophy, no?

If most people are idiots, the majority of elitists will be false elitists who are covering up their own idiocy.

This doesn't change the fact that most people are idiots, and that idiots wreck societies if empowered (by democracy and punk rock music).

Re: The 'morons' and their role in society
December 20, 2008, 01:16:00 AM
yes, but by being able to make a correct observation he displays potential. conclusions, which in the end are just opinions, are highly malleable.

my point is that it does seem that voicing disdain for the moron masses is, far more often than not, little more than an excuse to avoid addressing one's own issues. what is easier - to change one's own self, or to complain about how everyone else should change theirs?

to be clear, that does *not* mean one should 'change oneself' in the direction of aligning with the masses. this is easy as well - just sit on your couch and watch celebrity news programs(in other words, do nothing).

most people ARE idiots, but those who vociferously announce this at every single opportunity available are just finding excuses to bitch. one who has true confidence in himself knows innately that he is above others, whether or not he recognizes this consciously. he feels little need to complain, because he's more interested in actions that are actually effective. there is a parallel with religious zealots: there are Christians who are intelligent and valuable to the human race, and they do believe in their Jesus and whatnot; but they are rarely, if ever, the same ones as those who get "inspired" with ideas of god by things as simple as cutting a loaf of bread. confidence doesn't breed bloviation, but bloviation creates an image of confidence

ken

Re: The 'morons' and their role in society
December 20, 2008, 04:21:50 AM
Those who constantly complain about "morons" / "normals" seem more interested in using the ignorance of others as an ego trip where they see themselves as superior to the Masses, as opposed to real analysis of the factors which have caused our society to be the way it is. Why waste time considering difficult sociopolitical questions when you can just wank yourself off over how much smarter you are than everyone else? The stupidity of the average person must just be an immutable part of life, not the direct result of certain social institutions and economic practices.
So everyone who notes a lack of intelligence amongst the mass population is immediately attempting to boost their ego regardless of their intent? Every time that someone points out inequality, in every single situation in which this has happened in history, has only been playing a social power game?

Why write a stupid reply asking a stupid question you know the answer is going to be "no obviously not" to? 13X made a valid assessment. Some people here sound like sociopaths, loners or other anit-socials but I cant really be sure, not having known any of them, or having known any person with these ideas in real life.

I wonder where the limits of human stupidity and hypocrisy can reach. The blog that is all too often linked from this forum reads "humanity has made a social reality that denies physical reality" and goes on to advocate depopulation; the most radical and impossible future imaginable. At a guess I'd say the proletarians of the United States are more likely to revolt and Earth transform into a communist utopia, than a bill will be passed to kill 5 billion people (or more?) and purge the so called morons.


Cigno

Re: The 'morons' and their role in society
December 20, 2008, 04:51:15 AM

All false elitists boost their egos calling most people moron, does that mean that everyone who calls most people moron is a false elitist?

The stupidity of the average person must just be an immutable part of life, not the direct result of certain social institutions and economic practices.

The role of the average persons depends on the social institutions and economic practices.

Re: The 'morons' and their role in society
December 20, 2008, 08:20:09 AM
I'm seeing a trend here. Everytime a forum troll posts an hyperbole or insults some demographic portion, the over-socialized types of the board feel upset.

Some feel upset for the promotion of controversial ideas, while some feel upset because of the harsh language used. Now they are getting it back to you, thinking and justifying that their emotional hurt should not go unpunished.

How come you can even listen to metal music if you are so offended over such petty argument? Face it, these words alone hurt no one, nor should you have any concern over the sentimentalities -- provided that you are self-confident and emotionally stable enough to feel unattached to those words.

Grow up. Most of you are too smart for that behavior.