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How to be a Black Metal Fan in 2005

TC

Re: How to be a Black Metal Fan in 2005
December 07, 2005, 06:48:17 PM
you're not making sense to me.  the last few posts of yours coupled with your initial statement of "asthetics == philosophy" are not computing.

chthonian

Re: How to be a Black Metal Fan in 2005
December 07, 2005, 06:57:29 PM
Well, let's talk about aesthetics. What are the "metal" Aesthetics?

I would argue the "Metal" never really had any aesthetics beyond the mundane leather and steel bullshit, and once that died, it was just music.

Re: How to be a Black Metal Fan in 2005
December 07, 2005, 07:10:51 PM
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It's an interesting article, but he is just wrong.


How can he be wrong in, what appears to be a matter of opnion?

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He also contradicts himself in his word usage.


This coming from the Hitler of Beijing?

Re: How to be a Black Metal Fan in 2005
December 07, 2005, 11:57:55 PM
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Well, let's talk about aesthetics. What are the "metal" Aesthetics?

I would argue the "Metal" never really had any aesthetics beyond the mundane leather and steel bullshit, and once that died, it was just music.


If I may interject, I believe some confusion is had over the denotation of "aesthetics" in the context of this thread. TC is speaking of the aesthetics of the music in question, while you are referring to the aesthetic qualities of the musicians themselves.

Now that this is cleared up, why in the hell would you argue about bands' costumes? This is equivalent to speaking about an actor's personal life in the context of a discussion about a movie in which he played.

chthonian

Re: How to be a Black Metal Fan in 2005
December 08, 2005, 01:11:10 AM
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If I may interject, I believe some confusion is had over the denotation of "aesthetics" in the context of this thread. TC is speaking of the aesthetics of the music in question, while you are referring to the aesthetic qualities of the musicians themselves.
Now that this is cleared up, why in the hell would you argue about bands' costumes? This is equivalent to speaking about an actor's personal life in the context of a discussion about a movie in which he played.


Do you honestly think that good music is just a coincidence, a random phenomenon? It take a lot of thought to create good music, and obviously a thoughtful person. And, if it is to be considered true art, why wouldn't imagery be important?
The music we listen to is not just sound, but artistic expression. This artistic expression has origin within the artists, and is expressed in as many mediums as possible for effectiveness and validity. And I'll even go as far to say that music is absolutely nothing without some kind of imagery, even the imagery in our minds.
While it is true that many of the bands of the early black metal scene were made up of just angst ridden teenagers, and that a handful of them (very few) managed to accidentally create decent music. They ultimately failed and could never surpass the more serious artists. So, life styles, or rather opinions, does play a role in who is capable of what.

Your analogy with the actor's personal life vs what movies they've played in is actually very poor, because actors don't create anything, they just act, and we all know that actors are never as genuine as the real thing.

Re: How to be a Black Metal Fan in 2005
December 08, 2005, 01:59:38 AM
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Also, In this article we have Prozac saying the aesthetics are easy to copy, then he says morbidity is essential in bringing meaning to these bands.


First, thanks everyone for reading.

I think there's a misunderstanding here: language is tricky.

In the context of the article, "aesthetics" = issues such as how much distortion is used, kind of vocals used, how fast the drums are, whether or not bass is distorted. This is distinct from other ways of making dark music, e.g. Dead Can Dance or Diamanda Galas.

In the context of the article, "structure" = composition: type of forms used and complexity therein, relationship between riffs and phrases, degree of melodic versus harmonic coherence, etc.

I think you, TC (thanks for the kind words - ANUS no longer has a thanks list, regrettably), and I are saying the same thing.

Anyway, back to reading these interesting responses.

Re: How to be a Black Metal Fan in 2005
December 08, 2005, 02:02:11 AM
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This coming from the Hitler of Beijing?


Chinese Nationalists
http://www.kmt.org.tw/

No word on whether they're National Socialists or not however.

chthonian

Re: How to be a Black Metal Fan in 2005
December 08, 2005, 02:30:31 AM
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In the context of the article, "aesthetics" = issues such as how much distortion is used, kind of vocals used, how fast the drums are, whether or not bass is distorted. This is distinct from other ways of making dark music, e.g. Dead Can Dance or Diamanda Galas.


Although I think distortion is essential for creating truly dark un-human sounding vocals, I will agree that it is wrong to judge a band by how much distortion they use - just as it's wrong to judge a band by how fast they are. It is only the end product that should be judged, and not the amount of effort or bells and whistles put in.

And how in the hell is Dead can Dance dark?

chthonian

Re: How to be a Black Metal Fan in 2005
December 08, 2005, 02:33:16 AM
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This coming from the Hitler of Beijing?


That's ridiculous, I didn't get to pick my parents like you did. Just because I am half Chinese doesn't mean that it's contradictory for me to support the white race.

The white race is the best race.

Re: How to be a Black Metal Fan in 2005
December 08, 2005, 02:54:59 AM
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Just because I am half Chinese doesn't mean that it's contradictory for me to support the white race.


Nationalism supports both.

Just tell people you're French ;)


Re: How to be a Black Metal Fan in 2005
December 08, 2005, 02:55:38 AM
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I will agree that it is wrong to judge a band by how much distortion they use - just as it's wrong to judge a band by how fast they are.


Exactly. Recent "black metal" mimics the sound, but can't write the same great music.


chthonian

Re: How to be a Black Metal Fan in 2005
December 08, 2005, 03:29:44 AM
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Exactly. Recent "black metal" mimics the sound, but can't write the same great music.



Hah, they even fail at the sound part.

Annihilaytorr

Re: How to be a Black Metal Fan in 2005
December 08, 2005, 03:42:23 AM
Not only should we stop buying new Black Metal, but we should stop buying Black Metal products all together. Case in point, the Darkthrone jacket.


chthonian

Re: How to be a Black Metal Fan in 2005
December 08, 2005, 04:08:29 AM
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Not only should we stop buying new Black Metal, but we should stop buying Black Metal products all together. Case in point, the Darkthrone jacket.


So, you were planning to buy it?

Re: How to be a Black Metal Fan in 2005
December 08, 2005, 08:38:30 AM
Buying black metal products? Huh?