If all that is replied with is "gimmick and novelty"...
How is the band at fault for internet rumours and speculation? That seems senseless to find any reason to hate them and go with it. The fact that you add these supposed complaints to your arguments makes me think your original argument (about their music) isn't strong enough so it needs to be re-enforced with all these small trivial matters which are caused by fans and internet groupies. Should Varg really be blamed for the loads of children on nazi.org as well? I also don't buy the argument this band has no originality as nobody has yet to name a suitable comparison that draws a direct link. And whose guitar sounds like that? It may not sound like some distorted keyboard or whatever you were expecting, but it certainly sounds original.
Even you admitted this VC is probably the best thing to come out in years. Many people probably agree with you on that. Perhaps this is a case of people wanting to tear down what's on top?
All right, I smell a pre-existing bias at work here, one which might take a bit of effort to work through, but hey, c'est la vie....
My original argument - concerning the music itself and it's perceived shortcomings stacked against the classics that preceded it - stands, but what you fail to realize is that the case to be made against VC is bigger than "just the music, d00d". They cannot solely be judged by their music alone, as they constantly parrot their ideological stance either a) through their rare interviews (again, driving up the media frenzy through hints and teasers) or b) through their obsessive fanboys and -girls who view them very much messianically in context to the current desert of value to be observed in the black metal scene - something which is now definable by
it's fanbase, instead of what it was that created
that fanbase, but the broken losers which comprise it still believe that music plays a part in such a judgment - ; if not this, we see the endless trumpetting of their precious "dieselharp" (LOL) as something innovative, whereas the sound achieved by this hypocritical device in no way
sets them apart from any other run-of-the-mill BM over-driven production of the current time; you have consistently defended this aspect of their "production" since the beginning of this argument as being something worth lauding, as being something original
; the device itself may be, but what it is being used for is not, a point which you missed.
You must understand that we don't exist in vacuums of perception; we are influenced by the opinions and actions of others and by what we tangibly observe - in this, all we are subject to in the case of VC is a mass-marketing push to compensate for their non-existant content; they are the reigning kings of form
- what the media exposes us to shapes our perception of what we will eventually hear from the band musically. In this case, because they have championed their ideological differences and affected "elitist transendance" above the braindead jockeys riding the tired old Satanic horse into a mass grave, we are thus conditioned to think "wow! they're gonna be great when they finally release somethin'!!1" Where to start the discourse on how titanically stupid this mentality is? I'll leave it for the more mentally aware to trudge through.
I don't even know how to address the irrelevancy of your point concerning nazi.org, let alone the supreme illogic behind your branding of Vikernes as the instigator.
I did name a band that they compare to, in fact directly stole from - Burzum - yet I now understand that you don't hear the similarities because you are judging the music based on production values, not on what is being said
. Of course they sound
different, but observe the framework of the song construction: one and the same. Production does not a musical statement make, my dear.
I admitted no such thing; reading comprehension is a thing of the past? or are you merely looking for justification for your own point (another example of brainwashed media conditioning in the face of reality)? My quote was:
In any event, while this may be the best thing to come out in years, with the lone exception of Rob Halford that springs to mind, that's hardly a feather in one's cap to have such a distinction conferred upon oneself, considering the absolute void of innovation this group possesses.
In no way was I
saying what you inferred, instead I was going by your assertion that sliced bread has nothing on VC; my point is - when there is no content to suitably praise (in this case, content that has been done before many times in the past), and when one judges who is doing the judging
(in this case, scenster dimwits who need something to justify their social-club), the validity of VC to some ridiculous "scene" evaporates.
When something's on top of shit, I'm more than happy to let it fester there; I've said what I've said to warn the half-awake people away from being duped into thinking that something which is okay
, or pretty good
in some way makes it plausibly commendable as being on par with the classics of old, especially
in light of the fact that those classics have been raped of their aesthetic and musical content many times since then by individuals who cannot create for themselves
, and who have done it better than VC has, but are still shit all the same.
You encourage crap, don't be surprised when people call crap out for what it is.