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Metal Score Project

Re: Metal Score Project
June 22, 2009, 03:40:13 PM
The rendition of CFRS is fantastic, but isnt it missing a guitar layer or something? What about the bass? Its quite inaudible in the original song though, so probably is unnecessary, or perhaps not possible to include?

Re: Metal Score Project
June 23, 2009, 11:08:32 PM
Bass was included, or at least attempted. I had trouble distinguishing exactly what the bass was playing so i just guessed most of the time.

I think the big problem with this song so far is that the melodies are obscured, as Helmholtz pointed out, by the thick, armored middle-range chords. Does anyone else think it sounds too thick?

Re: Metal Score Project
June 24, 2009, 03:32:39 AM
Bass was included, or at least attempted. I had trouble distinguishing exactly what the bass was playing so i just guessed most of the time.

I think the big problem with this song so far is that the melodies are obscured, as Helmholtz pointed out, by the thick, armored middle-range chords. Does anyone else think it sounds too thick?

I'm unsure as to your resources, but something like a grand piano patch would be fantastic, and probably fix the thickness issue.

Re: Metal Score Project
June 27, 2009, 04:11:29 AM
This reminds me of the Classical MIDI Connection.

Darkthrone - Slottet i det Fjerne
http://www.mediafire.com/?wnonjim3mmw

Darkthrone goes very well with synthesizers and is very relaxing, although it may be too simple for your purposes.

Mutiilation - Magical Shadows of a Tragic Past
http://www.mediafire.com/?jonvyndmyl5

What do you think of the church organ? I experimented with several instruments, and this seemed to work better than using only synthesizer sounds.

Re: Metal Score Project
June 27, 2009, 05:06:59 AM
Someone should record with a real keyboard, something that would resemble Hlidskjalf in sound quality.

Re: Metal Score Project
July 17, 2009, 01:17:18 AM
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What do you think of the church organ?

Sounds great, makes me want to check out the actual song, which I havent heard yet.

Re: Metal Score Project
July 17, 2009, 05:27:44 AM
When I got the Mutiilation CD in the 90's I wouldn't have believed this song will (and should) end up as a classical piece! I mean, it was the ultimate dirty musical experience of darkness from the pits of Hell. But of course this is not contradictory, the power in this music was always obvious. We'd need a real organist to play it, preferably this one.

Re: Metal Score Project
July 24, 2009, 10:10:03 AM
I spend a good amount of time crafting tabs/midis of classic metal, as well as my own material. It's a very limited medium as far as sound (timbre) goes, but can be beneficial for transcription and studying the music's structure. That said, the concept of remixing old black metal songs to sound like trance music is quite humorous. Well, here are some of my completed works and a few unfinished ones:

At the Gates - Windows
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=9RDGNIQF

Morbid Angel - Vengeance is Mine
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LGWAIBIH

Burzum - My Journey to the Stars
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MUHTS7OG

Burzum - Key to the Gate
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ODWF7FZX

Summoning - Khazad Dum
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=D3V8Q3F2

Necrophobic - Awakening
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=O4P2O92P

Amorphis - The Pilgrimage
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=QP2G7Z3V

Emperor - Towards the Pantheon (inc.)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=Y6JCJACH

At the Gates - Raped by the Light of Christ (inc.)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=IR271LAM

Suffocation - Infecting the Crypts (inc.)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=FG8X270X

Sacramentum - Cries From a Restless Soul (inc.)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7VV7FQT8

Gontyna Kry - Kruk Smierci (inc.)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=0QO06A9L

Sorry for the list! Enjoy.

Re: Metal Score Project
July 27, 2009, 11:03:44 PM
...the concept of remixing old black metal songs to sound like trance music is quite humorous.

It is, but the idea (from what I can tell) is to provide tools by which Hessians can show non-Hessians exactly where the beauty lies in metal music - by removing their enslavement to the preconceptions they've formed around the "sound" of metal music. Thanks for that list.

Re: Metal Score Project
July 28, 2009, 06:41:22 AM
I suppose, some guys I know say they'd enjoy metal a lot more if they didn't have to hear the vocals. I remember being in that phase, some people just never get over it I guess. Unfortunately, translating metal into electronic music has rarely, if ever, worked. We've all heard "Opus A Satana" and "Gate of Inanna", I assume. But who knows, maybe that silly Fenriz guy will release a House remix of TH since he clearly doesn't give a shit about his fans.

Re: Metal Score Project
July 28, 2009, 07:20:03 AM
I suppose, some guys I know say they'd enjoy metal a lot more if they didn't have to hear the vocals. I remember being in that phase, some people just never get over it I guess. Unfortunately, translating metal into electronic music has rarely, if ever, worked. We've all heard "Opus A Satana" and "Gate of Inanna", I assume. But who knows, maybe that silly Fenriz guy will release a House remix of TH since he clearly doesn't give a shit about his fans.

Gate of Inanna rules.

Though, NHV's vocals are quite vicious in that track.

"QQQUEEEN INANNA. The queen of the night."

Re: Metal Score Project
August 21, 2009, 03:07:12 AM
It is, but the idea (from what I can tell) is to provide tools by which Hessians can show non-Hessians exactly where the beauty lies in metal music - by removing their enslavement to the preconceptions they've formed around the "sound" of metal music.

I made this for that reason. Some melodic death/black metal songs have such great melodies that it actually sounds better on traditional instruments, although you lose the aggression of the tremolo picking, drums and screaming.

At the Gates - "Primal Breath"
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=UI2F3P83
MP3 128kbps (rendered with Sibelius) + MIDI + Sibelius 6 Score + PDFs

It's the 3rd riff that I really wanted to hear, and then just ended up doing the whole thing. What next, "Non-Divine", "Within", "Windows", something from Gorgoroth or Emperor? It needs to have a decent sense of melody or harmony for me to take the time. I do it as a learning exercise.

maybe that silly Fenriz guy will release a House remix of TH since he clearly doesn't give a shit about his fans.

Some thing along these lines?

Burzum - "Jesus' Tod" Techno Remix
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2R1RAYU9
MP3 192kbps (rendered with FLStudio)

I was playing with Fruity Loops and it just kind of happened.

Re: Metal Score Project
August 23, 2009, 02:04:34 AM
Emperor - "Into the Infinity of Thoughts"
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TA8C88J1
MP3 128kbps (rendered with Sibelius) - MIDI - Sibelius 6 Score - PDFs

A more challenging arrangement, with strings + some brass + choir.

I don't know of a better way to learn about the technical aspects of a piece of music. In this one, I found that the riffs from the beginning and end of the song frequently reuse an Aminor - Asus2 - Aminor - Asus4 "progression." (<- also used in the beginning of Gorgoroth's "Gorgoroth") This lends further credence to the idea that metal is "key less modal music" as described in another thread.

Re: Metal Score Project
August 23, 2009, 07:47:48 AM
Good work AnHero. That's truly a didactic exercise.

However, I can't stand the overabundance of consecutive fifths in orchestral music, very burdensome in my opinion. While they fit very well in some smaller and simpler groups (like  metal bands or musica antiqua ensembles) I don't like them in the XVI-XIX centuries instrumentation and voice distribution.

I can't get used to hollow sonority from a minor or major chord to a sudden perfect fifth chord in these timbres.

Just a few thoughts.


Re: Metal Score Project
August 23, 2009, 04:08:51 PM
However, I can't stand the overabundance of consecutive fifths in orchestral music, very burdensome in my opinion. While they fit very well in some smaller and simpler groups (like  metal bands or musica antiqua ensembles) I don't like them in the XVI-XIX centuries instrumentation and voice distribution.

The lack of distortion causes the fifths to sound kind of hollow, yes. In places, I would try to fill-in the harmony, where there was a fifth, add a third that was the scale note, or just a minor third. Or similar method to have the cellos play a sixth higher than the basses, instead of a fifth, for added tension, but I wasn't that creative most of the time (they are both long songs).