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Politics converging on the middle

Politics converging on the middle
April 21, 2009, 01:23:49 AM
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Crunchy Conservative
National Review commentator first coined the term "crunchy conservative" in 2006 to describe his personal ideology, according to NPR.org. Dreher says "crunchy cons" are conservatives “who stand outside the conservative mainstream,” and tend to focus more on family-oriented, culturally conservative concepts such as being good stewards of the natural world and avoiding materialism in everyday life. Dreher describes crunchy cons as those “who embrace a counter-cultural, yet traditional conservative lifestyle." On his blog, Dreher says crunchy cons are as mistrutful of big business as they are big government.

http://usconservatives.about.com/od/conservativepolitics101/bb/ConTypes.htm

It's like they've adopted the cultural outlook of democrats, but with a conservative values system. Interesting.

Re: Politics converging on the middle
April 21, 2009, 01:28:14 AM
It's a common viewpoint among certain Scottish/Calvinistic denominations in America. Didn't know it had a name until now. It would be ideal, minus the dualism.

Re: Politics converging on the middle
April 21, 2009, 02:04:16 AM
It's a common viewpoint among certain Scottish/Calvinistic denominations in America. Didn't know it had a name until now. It would be ideal, minus the dualism.

I can definitely affirm this claim.  Part of my family are Scottish Presbyterians and these are the political views they hold, as well as the ones I was raised in.

Re: Politics converging on the middle
April 21, 2009, 04:29:04 PM
It sounds almost like what the word "conservative" implies.


But it is a dead end, I think.  This should be a philosophical outlook and not a political one.  Eventually they will have to say "If I am against big business and for environmental control, doesn't that mean I want the government to have more control" and then they are no conservatives at all, but moderate democrats.  There are plenty of family oriented democrats and democrats with right-leaning morals aren't there?  Why are these people even called conservatives? 



Re: Politics converging on the middle
April 21, 2009, 09:07:29 PM
Eventually they will have to say "If I am against big business and for environmental control, doesn't that mean I want the government to have more control" and then they are no conservatives at all, but moderate democrats.

No, this is a phony dilemma. Since bureaucratic big central government is always a fossilized failure dragging us all  to the bottom, this is where our own local cultures can step in again by using peer pressure to divide the best way to live, true, from all the diverse wrong ways, falses.

Re: Politics converging on the middle
April 21, 2009, 09:15:02 PM
There's two axes of politics:

Values
Method

Conservative/Revolutionary (sorry, Liberal or for Europeans:leftist) defines values
Anarchist/Authoritarian defines methods.

Libertarians are anarchist conservatives
Nazis are authoritarian conservatives
Communists are authoritarian Revolutionaries
Democrats are moderate Revolutionaries
European Conservatives are moderate Conservatives
American conservatives are moderate tending toward anarchist conservatives.

Now there's convergence, as we're seeing that Joe American will not listen to reason, but will do whatever he can get away with, and that anarchist/libertarian methods therefore FAIL. We're also seeing that socialism, as a basis of government, encourages tyranny.

Re: Politics converging on the middle
April 26, 2009, 02:25:21 AM
Some of this convergence is one side adopting its enemy's weapons. All sides are learning one another's and putting these to use in their own interests. Humanists commonly rhetorically dehumanize and physically assault their opponents, in character, but their position statements do not match their actions at all. Ethnonationalists take up anti-war and liberty slogans, which seems consistently genuine by staying cooly neutral toward global affairs to look after one's own.

One side's infectious; a whoring liar and panderer at its core. The other's for honor and fidelity, but in exchange not everyone is invited, so they are cruel only as Nature is cruel and no more. Both sides are now flexible with means and focusing mostly on ends.

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Free speech is code for the breaking of the leftist stranglehold on language
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Free association breaks the internationalist lock-step.

http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/nationalism_in_motion_or_liberalism_reformed/