Fundamental complaint of intelligent people against metal

[Goluf]

We watched a movie called Saw. The general point was that by confronting and overcoming the terrifying aspects of life, one can feel more alive and appreciate existence better, which perhaps even leads to a healthier way of living your life. The movie did it through gore and being scary: metal does something similar with a far more sophisticated bag of techniques.

The main complaint of a certain very intelligent person against this method?

"There are far more positive, beautiful ways of accomplishing that exact same thing."

I think the fundamental difference between intelligent metal listeners and intelligent non metal listeners is therefore one of methodology.

Thoughts?

[burewestnik]

Metal embraces horror, death, insanity etc. because they don't matter or matter as much as the positive aspects, but if you write about positive aspects you are not making this point, i mean fear of them is transcended and they are accepted in one's own worldview. Once you accept them as 'equals' with the positive aspects, you gain a holistic vision of life, which psychologically and logically seems more sound to me.

If you treat evil as good, is it still evil and is good still good?

Other than that it gives a hell of an adrenaline rush

[Devamitra]

"There are far more positive, beautiful ways of accomplishing that exact same thing."

Sounds like this is about aesthetics.

I find good metal positive, and beautiful. If someone is infinitely stuck in some perception of "ugliness" (or maybe lack of beauty - blindness to it) in death metal vocals, or lyrics, or harsh production, then maybe the person should just forget about it, metal isn't the requirement for a full and powerful life. But I don't buy that kind of judgements and evaluations.

[beyond_godlike]

We watched a movie called Saw. The general point was that by confronting and overcoming the terrifying aspects of life, one can feel more alive and appreciate existence better, which perhaps even leads to a healthier way of living your life. The movie did it through gore and being scary: metal does something similar with a far more sophisticated bag of techniques.

The main complaint of a certain very intelligent person against this method?

"There are far more positive, beautiful ways of accomplishing that exact same thing."

I think the fundamental difference between intelligent metal listeners and intelligent non metal listeners is therefore one of methodology.

Thoughts?

How can a song ever be about overcoming the terrifying aspects of life without ever mentioning them?

[ASBO]

"There are far more positive, beautiful ways of accomplishing that exact same thing."

I think the fundamental difference between intelligent metal listeners and intelligent non metal listeners is therefore one of methodology.

I will call bullshit for this reason:

Metal's desire, at least in black metal and death metal, is to praise the evil, horror, terrifying etc and make logic out of them, just as it makes beauty out of distortion.

Moral fear separates the world into good and bad.

Metal celebrates bad and good as together what produces life itself, and metal views the point of life as finding adventure/intensity (remember Repo Man?) not avoiding the unsafe and terrifying.

The best metal makes beauty out of darkness. The equivalent to moronic torture porn like the Saw movies is deathgrind like Cannibal Corpse or pornographic black metal like the new Funeral Mist.