great topic. I finally came to this realization, myself, over the past few months. Forgive me if I'm just repeating what you all have said but the liberals created their own downfall by banking on proving global warming to justify why we need to stop a more general problem (pollution/ecocide). Here is where our reliance on science fails. Of course the "conservatives" simply say, "hey we only have statistics going back so many years, but the earth itself has existed for millions of years, who's not to say that this isn't just the natural cycle of the earth?" And now we have a stalemate. How about an AESTHETIC justification for why we need to stop pollution/ecocide? Smoke stacks, trash on the side of roads, trucks emitting black smoke, giant cities and their ghettos, etc. all look like shite, and they smell like shite - what more justification do we need? use your instincts.