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Liberal ideology in satanic black metal

Liberal ideology in satanic black metal
September 12, 2009, 01:46:45 AM
Satanic black metal is a vector for liberalism.

* Anti-identity: we are anti-Christian but not pro- anything. What are we? Nothing.
* Egoism: There is no god. I am my own god!
* Revolutionary left mentality: tear down the established order but no rebuilding proposal.
* Nihilism as its own goal: see anti-identity
* Individualist: see anti-identity, egoism

Re: Liberal ideology in satanic black metal
September 13, 2009, 05:24:28 AM
* Egoism: There is no god. I am my own god!
* Individualist: see anti-identity, egoism

I wonder if these are a result of confusing ego ('self') with the true Self.

Re: Liberal ideology in satanic black metal
September 13, 2009, 04:06:37 PM
"The immutable theme throughout our work is the rejection of man made gods, and the ideas of self deification."

- Wrath, Averse Sefira, Blast Magazine #1

The comma isn't there in the article but, alas, I feel it must be to convey accurately what he meant.

boo.

Hopefully he means individualism in a Romantic sense, where the self is a Miltonic metaphor.

At least theistic Satanism and "orthodox" B.M. avoids this.


Re: Liberal ideology in satanic black metal
September 13, 2009, 04:36:21 PM
Somebody please correct me if I make a mistake in what I am about to say.

The concept of seeing oneself as a God is, as far as my understanding goes, a distinctly LaVeyan idea.  LaVeyan Satanism was rejected by most, if not all, of the early Black Metal "satanists", be they real "Satanists" (Les Légions Noires, potentially) or not (the Norwegian Milieu), primarily because it was, as they said, a "human-faced Satanism", or a "Humanist Satanism", which was concerned more with the self than with Reality ("Satan").

One small hole in the argument, but the others are quite impelling.  And, of course, what do the new generation know of what was thought by their predecessors?  If they hear "Satanism", and type it into Wikipedia, they may just misunderstand, and believe that Black Metal Satanism is LaVeyan.  I mean, that's what Moynihan did, isn't it?  And he drew that astonishingly wrong conclusion.

Re: Liberal ideology in satanic black metal
September 13, 2009, 04:58:50 PM
Yes, you’re right to draw parallels to LaVey. The LHP desire for dominion (which is prevalent in many, though not all Black Metal bands) is distinctly LaVeyan in that it is radically individualistic. Bands involved with theistic Satanism, in which the individual submits and abandons himself, Narrow Squirting Bowel Movement bands, anti-humanist black metal bands and those who treat the individual as a Romantic metaphor avoid this trap - though Narrow Squirting Bowel Movement in particular falls prey to others.

The metaphysics of radical individualism (Ayn Rand, LaVey, LHP Black Metal) cast man as an individual entity set against the universe, with the desire to dominate "Nature" and force it to submit to his will such that he gains dominion over it. Though superficially this seems opposed to American Christianity, and therefore mass culture, the fractured nature of that Christianity reveals that the LHP is actually a mainstream position in complete accord with quotidian American life.

To paraphrase Terry Eagleton, currently there is a radical disconnect between the superstructure (teachings of Jesus) and the base (the daily comportment and actions of individuals living in nominally Christian or post-Christian societies). In daily life, gaining social status requires ruthless, unchristian, individual ambition. This ambition is satanic. Bulldozing an ancient burial site before anyone notices in order to build a shopping mall is actually an excellent example of LHP philosophy. As are pumping pollution into the oceans, pursuing meaningless sexual conquests and the blatant disregard of posterity beyond the “project” of the individual's life. Look around: these things are endemic. Satanism is the hidden religion of America. The “will to power” has become subverted into a “will to will,” whereby the individual seeks power simply for its own sake, and “power” is always hedonistic, egotistical, self-glorifying and bound up with status.

Whenever there is a disconnect between the base and the superstructure, an ideology is in big trouble. This is why religion and religious experience become compartmentalised as a distinct area of an individual’s life, rather than structuring the cultural world in which the individual comes to understand himself. This is why, when their daily life is radically different from their professed faith, movie stars in Hollywood look around for something different and end up believing that Xenu controls the world from behind a cloud. This is why American religion has become a set of propositional truths; logos not mythos; ontic, not ontological. Religion once provided role-based social and domestic structures; today one is first and foremost an individual, and one's identity is comprised of “lifestyle choices” and consumer products.

I think this kind of individualism started in the Enlightenment. Before what Nietzsche recognised as the “death of God,” there was no separate religious experience. Everything was before God. Only in the wake of the death of God can an experience be labelled “religious.”

Gods emerge as that which reifies the values and ways of a culture. It is no surprise that the Left Hand Path is now a mainstream discourse, recognised by the state. What was once “occult” is now implicit. Man aspires to become God by worshipping his own individuality.


Re: Liberal ideology in satanic black metal
September 13, 2009, 05:34:43 PM
"Left Hand Path" thinking is to philosophy what creationism is to evolutionary biology.

Re: Liberal ideology in satanic black metal
September 13, 2009, 07:37:36 PM
"Left Hand Path" thinking is to philosophy what creationism is to evolutionary biology.

Albeit without even the pretense of conformity to tradition or the sacralizing weight of history behind it.

Re: Liberal ideology in satanic black metal
September 13, 2009, 07:53:04 PM
You might be forgetting something, because the truth has been perpetually obscured by the deeds of the posers.

Dr. LaVey was a cynical person. He hated the hippies' idea of equality and loved Beethoven. He thought: "Why can't we just sodomize the weak, have ritual sex with Marilyn Monroe and blaspheme Christ while we're at it?" His background was that of a crime scene photographer and his impression was that it's men who are capable of supreme beauty and supreme bestiality, thus there is no need to look for any further truth in religion than the aesthetic catharsis of something like the Nazi rallies at Nuremberg.

The old black metallers, on the other hand, were far from California and (in most cases) not about to have ritual sex with anyone. They were living in social democratic societies such as Norway and Sweden, where some of the ideas of equality that in USA were the matter of hippies, were actually true on an economic, governmental level. The society had effectively distanced itself from the morbid face of evil in man - that's why Darkthrone had to be for all the evil in man.

American satanism was about what you could achieve if you act in a certain (social-Darwinistic) way. The black metallers sacrificed (by suicide, murder, arson) this kind of achievements in order to play their role well, to be authentic, true (which in the Platonic sense is the same thing as divine, or beautiful). I hated the guy in Lords of Chaos book who said black metal has its place in Christianity, but he wasn't totally wrong.

The main accusation against LaVey was that he didn't seem to hold onto what is beautiful, but practiced rogue/backstabber morality. Especially in his Jewish neo-Bible. Whereas Plato, Nietzsche, Blake and the black metaller agree that beautiful, honourable death > life of vermin.

It's about corresponding with reality, as we tend to repeat on this forum. When theistic satanists read the Bible backwards, or nazi black metallers accuse the ZOG of their unemployment, they are not doing it, however they might have inverted liberalism upon its head.

Re: Liberal ideology in satanic black metal
September 13, 2009, 08:23:05 PM
"It's about corresponding with reality, as we tend to repeat on this forum. "

I disagree. I think correspondence theories of truth are a metaphysical error.

Correspondence is predicated upon an understanding of Being. In order to understand reality, and ascertain whether something corresponds to reality, we must first have something like a sense of Being to allow that reality to show up as the thing it is. Like the Platonists, you're confusing epistemology (correspondence) with fundamental ontology (postmodernism and deconstruction confuse semiotics with fundamental ontology.)

Religious works, art and architecture open a human world of existence upon the Earth. Along with leaders and ideologies, these things shape, condition and flavour a culture's understanding of Being by reifying it. Being shows up within a cultural clearing; reality blossoms into being (the Greeks capture this with their notion of phusis). Reality is predicated upon Being, and as Being is not a thing, or the totality of things, it is not reducible to reality.

Re: Liberal ideology in satanic black metal
September 14, 2009, 02:43:49 AM
Correspondence is predicated upon an understanding of Being. In order to understand reality, and ascertain whether something corresponds to reality, we must first have something like a sense of Being to allow that reality to show up as the things it is.

Actually, I think the problem here is your own ideology -- you're having trouble with the fact that the only thing that produces this awareness is natural selection. You either have it, or you don't. It is, in technical terms, the ability to consider non-linear representations. Remember Fitzgerald's quotation about being able to keep opposite ideas balanced in the mind?

Anyway, enough of that. Onward to some fun, old-fashioned pointing out that liberalism makes a person into a neurotic shithead:

http://digg.com/political_opinion/Why_I_left_liberalism_behind_AMERIKA


Re: Liberal ideology in satanic black metal
September 14, 2009, 06:21:07 AM

Hopefully he means individualism in a Romantic sense, where the self is a Miltonic metaphor.


I'd say Averse Sefira are both Miltonian and Romantic, so it seems likely. Sometimes boiling down the message to a few sentences leaves it open for a misread.

Re: Liberal ideology in satanic black metal
September 14, 2009, 06:47:28 AM
I might be reiterating the same thing as Conservationist here, I'm not sure. I'm not disagreeing that Being precludes any kind of observation, or analysis. Yet, it is not enough to state that reality is unapproachable because of this. Being includes reality. Reality includes Being.

Re: Liberal ideology in satanic black metal
September 14, 2009, 12:44:07 PM


There is perfect unity at the top, increasingly elementary simplification of forms moving down, and finally total incoherence at the state farthest from.

Re: Liberal ideology in satanic black metal
September 17, 2009, 03:55:33 PM
I might be reiterating the same thing as Conservationist here, I'm not sure. I'm not disagreeing that Being precludes any kind of observation, or analysis. Yet, it is not enough to state that reality is unapproachable because of this. Being includes reality. Reality includes Being.

We are in agreement.

After all, our minds arrived through the calculation of nature as exhibited in natural selection and our own thoughts. Thoughts share a pattern with reality. The two are, in abstraction, of the same origin and organization.

The humor in it all is that not dividing appearance from reality leads to a division of personality/mind/abstraction and body/Reality, and thus causes more division than the "all is one" folks want to acknowledge.

From that division comes a terminal fear of conflict and of reality itself, leading to liberalism:

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The ideas behind 1789 — whether socialism, liberalism, or anarchy — are part of a continuum of thought. The germ of this thought is that we can use the group to ensure that none of us has to adapt to reality. Instead of us fitting in to the natural world, we can dominate it and project our own order on it, or make it adapt to us.

The flaw in this plan is that reality is not a tangible thing, but the interaction of forces that create repeated patterns. To my mind, the highest human accomplishment is to leave our origins and monkeys behind, and to sacrifice our own personal drama and desires to do what is not only sensible but creates beauty. Where civilization has negative goals, like avoiding risks, I propose positive goals, things we want to reach out and achieve because they’re cool.

http://www.amerika.org/about/

Wording is awkward but concise, so I'll take it.