Metal FAIL Captured in a Single Image

[Umbrage]

Inspired by this thread but I couldn't bring myself to posting this pic there. So this gets its own thread.

[ChapelOfTorment]

So did the pod people snatch David Vincent around '96 or what?

[Sepulchral Voice]

Fuck me... Why does Dave do this to himself?

[My AIDS, Your Arse]

Fuck me... Why does Dave do this to himself?

Sometimes you have to be more different than the rest to feel better about yourself. Right guize?

[Necrophiliac]

http://www.tvrock.com.br/new/imagens/img_7451_056DavidVincentWOA2006.jpg

The only difference I'm seeing is that he let his hair down, and laid off the make-up.

[Nile_577]

From:

"Whores long for my flesh... I bend my knee not but for my selfish desire"

- Fall From Grace

To:

"Flesh over Spirit: the motivator of the worthless"

- Heaving Earth

Coincidence that the latter has no added Vincent?

[HessianObscura]

From:
Coincidence that the latter has no added Vincent?

If you're trying to say that David Vincent has always been this materialistic fag and genital torturer, I don't think that's the best assessment since he wrote most of their old, spiritual lyrics. The picture of early Morbid Angel is a very vital, almost Apollonian/Dionysian one, especially in Blessed Are The Sick where one underlies the other consistently and gives the album it's conceptual power. You have to remember how they were masters of inverting 'good' and 'evil' terminology.

[Nile_577]

From:
Coincidence that the latter has no added Vincent?

If you're trying to say that David Vincent has always been this materialistic fag and genital torturer, I don't think that's the best assessment since he wrote most of their old, spiritual lyrics. The picture of early Morbid Angel is a very vital, almost Apollonian/Dionysian one, especially in Blessed Are The Sick where one underlies the other consistently and gives the album it's conceptual power. You have to remember how they were masters of inverting 'good' and 'evil' terminology.

I agree, of course, but even then I think that the potential was there.

"When you gaze into the abyss...."

[Nile_577]

The thanks list in Blessed also hints at the political direction Vincent tried for a while, notably on 'World of Shit' ("Human shit; untermensch") and allegedly on 'Dawn of the Angry' (purely a rumor but supposedly the original lyric was "white finger on the trigger"). He also tried to get William Pierce into death metal - http://www.natall.com/free-speech/fs007b.html

[HessianObscura]

And of course, 'Where the Slime Live' is a commentary on his experiences growing up in a ghetto, although nobody seems to believe me because I can't find a citation.

[Nile_577]

I think the citation is lost along with "a certian leader" of the past.

*shrugs* Maybe the "hedonism" thing was just his wife's influence.



But who cares? Early Morbid Angel is great.

[Conservationist]

The thanks list in Blessed also hints at the political direction Vincent tried for a while, notably on 'World of Shit' ("Human shit; untermensch") and allegedly on 'Dawn of the Angry' (purely a rumor but supposedly the original lyric was "white finger on the trigger"). He also tried to get William Pierce into death metal - http://www.natall.com/free-speech/fs007b.html

That's some shaky evidence. You'd do better with interviews from the time. Also, I think it's not clear that "untermensch" refers to anything but an idiot or other useless person.

I never figured out the "a leader from the past who cannot be named." For some reason, I always thought he idolized Caesar. Ignorant, innocent me, I suppose.

Incantation, Infester, Deicide, Malevolent Creation;
Darkthrone, Burzum, Graveland, Mayhem;

If you want PC opinions... metal is not the place!

[Nile_577]

I too thought it was Caesar at first.

If you want PC opinions... metal is not the place!

Indeed! Perhaps I should point out that I'm not trying to "incriminate" anyone with "evidence," if that's what you were suggesting. I find the topic interesting.

The "white finger" reference in  "Dawn of the Angry" is based on admittedly shaky evidence but, given that Vincent was friends with Pierce, I'm inclined to believe that the line "my finger on the button, with what's so foreign in my sights" in the same track suggests it was probably influenced by The Turner Diaries.

I think it was Kontinual that discovered the "untermensch" comment on Covenant. The reason I suspect that it is used in a racial sense is that Giant left it out of the lyrics booklet. I might be wrong.

CoC: Morbid Angel has always been known to be pretty much overtly anti-christian, but recently, there seems to be some people who are accusing you in particular of having racist tendencies. Anything to say to those people?

DV: I think probably people misconstrue. I did some interviews where I just kind of went off the deep end, and it was really more to illustrate points of breaking the patterns in thinking. I have a real problem with this whole idea of political correctness, about thinking things just because it's something that everybody thinks and if you don't agree with everybody on all these various points, it's considered a real taboo thing. That's just as much, in my opinion, mind control and censorship a la christianity as anything else. Just because it's the left-wing controlling the media and saying that you shouldn't think these things, how's that any different than right-wing christians having their special-interest groups to say that you should think these other things? I reject all of it. I think freedom of speech, freedom of expression, freedom of association, freedom to have whatever kind of beliefs you want to regardless of whether they're fashionable at any particular time, I think that these are some of the freedoms that at least I, as an American, cherish, and I'm against censorship and thought control by any group, towards any group, for any reason. That's really where I stand on all of that.

CoC: The last time you played in Toronto, a sizeable group of Nazi skinheads showed up and pretty much ruined the show for everyone else by being assholes in the pit. What were your impressions on that evening?

DV: Well, I look at it this way. There's all kinds of people that come to our shows, regardless of where we play. There's always a diverse audience and I try to get people to overlook whatever differences they may think that they have in the interest of coming together and having a good show. Sometimes it doesn't always work that way but I try to encourage it to work that way.

http://www.chroniclesofchaos.com/articles/chats/1-48_morbid_angel.aspx

I've heard some rumors about that show but I think that there are enough rumors in this thread already.

Does anyone have any of the interviews he mentions here?

[Nile_577]

Incantation, Infester, Deicide, Malevolent Creation;
Darkthrone, Burzum, Graveland, Mayhem;

I presume Incantation is listed because of Pillard's NS-themed ambient/electronic act?

The Malevolent Creation example is reasonably funny because the definition of the word according to Phil - "If you look under the word in the dictionary, it says slacker" - shows that he was clearly thinking of the word "niggard." But then, given that this guy keeps claiming to have killed people, it's difficult to know what to believe.

Infester is another interesting example. That album is one of the more sinister things I own. The context in which the swastika appears seems to link it more to Esoteric Hiterlism than plain National Socialism, and I wondered if perhaps it was used purely in provocation or in some kind of "occult-only" context, but the lyrics to Braded Into Palsy ("Repulsive ebony skin...") suggest otherwise.
 
Unrelated (but interesting) story about Rudyard Kipling and the swastika:  http://www.kipling.org.uk/facts_swastik.htm

[Conservationist]

I too thought it was Caesar at first.

OK, good. I'm not fucking 'tarded/clueless like a Democrat.