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Criminology

Criminology
October 12, 2009, 02:19:36 PM
From Wordsmith:

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"Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws."

While there's truth in Plato's words, most of us fall somewhere between good and bad. And for people in that spectrum, laws serve as good deterrents.

Really? Then why do people keep committing crimes?

I'd submit a radical idea: deterrent doesn't work. Punishment is there so good people know that their victimization will not be ignored and society will put away the offending cretin. But we cannot deter those who are pathological, or so unhinged that crime is going to seem like a brilliant solution.

I'm not talking about drugs, minor crime, mayhem hooliganism, teen sex and other incidentals. I call these incidentals because they're useful as illegal only because all criminals ALSO seem to indulge in them. But repeated theft, torture of animals, assault, rape, etc. are indicators of a "broken animal" which means it cannot be deterred, it can only be... shot.

Re: Criminology
October 17, 2009, 02:40:28 AM
The necessary punishment may not correct, but it may deter sociopaths into compliance at the surface by letting them know the price for violating the laws of a society.  At the very least, it deprives the worst from passing on their genes.
Let us tear are hearts to pieces so that we may reveal our souls to God.  Let us immerse ourselves in the light to burn our lesser selves away.

Re: Criminology
October 17, 2009, 02:58:57 AM
The necessary punishment may not correct, but it may deter sociopaths into compliance at the surface by letting them know the price for violating the laws of a society.  At the very least, it deprives the worst from passing on their genes.

This is the sort of weak response that helps to perpetuate degenerate behaviour. Punishment indicates society would rather show tolerance than vigilance, which is a display of weakness. The whole point is to remove defect from our midst, not pay for its jailed upkeep only to loose it upon us again and again. Intolerance would have a definite and permanent shut off point that removes an offender from society forever. For example, the Saudis could have first offense flogging, second head chop. In Northern Europe, first offense thrown out of town into the forest for the winter, second offense hanged.

But, the definition of hooliganism would have flexibility with regards to young unsettled adults, so that those who have yet to fully mature have every chance. That's where the penalty of lengthy community service or military conscription can step in and give them a structured life for a few years. Jail is a stupid, stupid, unproductive waste.
”The Revolution ends by devouring its own children” – Jacques Mallet du Pan, 1793

Re: Criminology
October 17, 2009, 03:15:40 AM
The necessary punishment may not correct, but it may deter sociopaths into compliance at the surface by letting them know the price for violating the laws of a society.  At the very least, it deprives the worst from passing on their genes.

This is the sort of weak response that helps to perpetuate degenerate behaviour. Punishment indicates society would rather show tolerance than vigilance, which is a display of weakness. The whole point is to remove defect from our midst, not pay for its jailed upkeep only to loose it upon us again and again. Intolerance would have a definite and permanent shut off point that removes an offender from society forever. For example, the Saudis could have first offense flogging, second head chop. In Northern Europe, first offense thrown out of town into the forest for the winter, second offense hanged.

But, the definition of hooliganism would have flexibility with regards to young unsettled adults, so that those who have yet to fully mature have every chance. That's where the penalty of lengthy community service or military conscription can step in and give them a structured life for a few years. Jail is a stupid, stupid, unproductive waste.

Oh no, prison was not being referred to.  You misunderstood and answered your retort with your second sentence sir.  The language just differed.  There can be no tolerance for those who spread corruption.  They face the curse of destruction.  Your definition of punishment is flawed for punishment can be used for good ends and removing pride from those who must accept their station and demeanor.
Let us tear are hearts to pieces so that we may reveal our souls to God.  Let us immerse ourselves in the light to burn our lesser selves away.

Re: Criminology
October 17, 2009, 03:54:07 AM
Removing pride? Prison is a source of pride for an enormous demographic composed of all races, gangsta. Removing pride of a people that inhabit one's nation is an ingredient for decay in my book.
”The Revolution ends by devouring its own children” – Jacques Mallet du Pan, 1793

Re: Criminology
October 17, 2009, 04:12:39 AM
Removing pride? Prison is a source of pride for an enormous demographic composed of all races, gangsta. Removing pride of a people that inhabit one's nation is an ingredient for decay in my book.

Thralldom, not prison.  Anti-socials and deviants must surely face their recompense lest they spread corruption, degeneration, and deviance.
Let us tear are hearts to pieces so that we may reveal our souls to God.  Let us immerse ourselves in the light to burn our lesser selves away.

Re: Criminology
October 17, 2009, 04:17:06 AM
The necessary punishment may not correct, but it may deter sociopaths into compliance at the surface by letting them know the price for violating the laws of a society.  At the very least, it deprives the worst from passing on their genes.

This is the sort of weak response that helps to perpetuate degenerate behaviour. Punishment indicates society would rather show tolerance than vigilance, which is a display of weakness. The whole point is to remove defect from our midst, not pay for its jailed upkeep only to loose it upon us again and again. Intolerance would have a definite and permanent shut off point that removes an offender from society forever. For example, the Saudis could have first offense flogging, second head chop. In Northern Europe, first offense thrown out of town into the forest for the winter, second offense hanged.

But, the definition of hooliganism would have flexibility with regards to young unsettled adults, so that those who have yet to fully mature have every chance. That's where the penalty of lengthy community service or military conscription can step in and give them a structured life for a few years. Jail is a stupid, stupid, unproductive waste.

Fulfilled people do not have the incentive to commit crimes, also this forums cookie-cutter elitism bums a lot of people. I am not probably a very popular person on this site, since, I have seen the benefit of the so called social democrartic model, not quite satanist, but the end result is a pretty stable society. Then again, not to judge you, but you are mostly Americans, yes?

p.s semi-solvent, I'd like to see a National Socialicst Europe and America (PIpe dream)

Re: Criminology
October 17, 2009, 04:31:24 AM
Thralldom, not prison.  Anti-socials and deviants must surely face their recompense lest they spread corruption, degeneration, and deviance.

I understand this, but again, the point is to not have one's nation composed of defect at all. That means no thrall caste as a major functioning component. The body expels waste after some short time. It does not store waste and utilize for the long term. To do so would be to introduce toxins to the body. So it is with having any permanent underclass.
”The Revolution ends by devouring its own children” – Jacques Mallet du Pan, 1793

Re: Criminology
October 17, 2009, 07:06:41 AM
If your shit passes through your intestinal tract at the appopriate rate, your body absorbs moisture from it(this is why diarrhea dehydrates).
HE WHO REAPS STORMS, SOWS WINDS. HE WHO SOWS WINDS, REAPS STORMS.

"It is better to go to a house of mourning than to go to a house of feasting, for death is the destiny of every man; the living should take this to heart."
-Ecclesiastes 7:2