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Distrust of government

Distrust of government
October 22, 2009, 04:56:09 PM
Interesting observation:

The left always distrusts the government in power, while the right trusts the idea of government -- but wants to keep government out of the regulation business.

Why is this?

The illusion is that we can regulate human beings and have everything turn out right -- like the 40 pages of rules they hand you when you start most jobs. "But we have rules to cover that!"

The reality is that people do as they're programmed by genetics, and rules don't stop that; they only help us punish. But people freak out at biological determinism because it means they can't be "whatever I want to be."

The right distrusts the process of government. Bureaucracies, votes, and other busywork. They're not interested in government except as a background protector of the normal activities of a healthy society.

We're seeing right/left crossover now, where many rightists are acting like leftists childishly opposing the idea of government at all. It's better for them to say what they really want: a strong government that doesn't regulate.

Re: Distrust of government
October 22, 2009, 09:44:31 PM
It seems to me that a distant high king would serve the exact role of Strong Government without locally micromanaging. Barons or counts could have infrastructure authority over rural and urban sections respectively. Magistrates handle hard case broken animal people in our midst. There is so much mama drama over what we call things, but really it is only the arrangement and processing that needs tightening up.

Re: Distrust of government
October 24, 2009, 07:34:27 PM
Decentralisation would be good - a centralised government cannot be expected to have as great an understanding of the individuals and communities governed than a decentralised government.

Re: Distrust of government
October 24, 2009, 09:13:16 PM
Decentralisation would be good - a centralised government cannot be expected to have as great an understanding of the individuals and communities governed than a decentralised government.

Confederacies have their own separate share of problems mostly related to a weak or non-existent executive power. You need executive power for funding, law enforcement, and national defense (amongst other things). The American answer was federalism.

Re: Distrust of government
October 26, 2009, 07:09:35 AM
We're seeing right/left crossover now, where many rightists are acting like leftists childishly opposing the idea of government at all. It's better for them to say what they really want: a strong government that doesn't regulate.

When have leftists, aside from leftist anarchists, ever not been in love with the idea of government? (see: welfare state liberalism, state communism, etc.)

Re: Distrust of government
October 26, 2009, 11:06:35 AM
Interesting observation:

The left always distrusts the government in power, while the right trusts the idea of government -- but wants to keep government out of the regulation business.

not quite.

socialists always need the state, this is a crucial thing to understand. They could do nothing if it wasnt for the state, their entire actions in society depend on the existence of an territorial monopolist of protection (Hoppe), of course left anarchists excluded (but in the case of left anarchy there are other big unfortunate things). On short: to do socialistic change one needs a state. while classic liberals always fought central decisions (that is in history, in monarchical states most often, cause in democratic times they may very well be socialists). 

Re: Distrust of government
October 26, 2009, 08:03:54 PM

When have leftists ever not been in love with the idea of government? (see: welfare state liberalism, state communism, etc.)

The mainstream Left in America are liberal democrats (as opposed to social democrats). They believe in civil liberties and crap: separation of church and state, right to privacy, due process, freedom of speech, etc. It's claptrap individualism but it's anti-government in its social aspect (not so much in its economic aspect).

Re: Distrust of government
October 26, 2009, 08:38:04 PM

When have leftists ever not been in love with the idea of government? (see: welfare state liberalism, state communism, etc.)

The mainstream Left in America are liberal democrats (as opposed to social democrats). They believe in civil liberties and crap: separation of church and state, right to privacy, due process, freedom of speech, etc. It's claptrap individualism but it's anti-government in its social aspect (not so much in its economic aspect).

Except that it hopes to use government to create those civil rights, due processes, etc.