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Why people hate this forum

Why people hate this forum
November 25, 2009, 06:38:54 PM
A logical inversion is when you take an argument from cause to effect, and argue from effect to cause.

Instead of saying, "I'm going to eat this so I can be healthy," you say "I want to look healthy, so I'll be seen eating this."

Inversions only occur in a social context because in order to switch effect/cause, you need to create an intermediate state of motivation which makes it more important for effects to be seen as causes. This is invariably manipulating other people by showing them how cool you are.

See where this is going?

Many people hate this forum. Most of them, about 75%, are butthurt Pantera/O-peth fans who want metal to be everyone's happy fun time party with no standards, no goals and no rules. They like the idea that they can project themselves into it and get out of it what they want, which is usually social standing, a friend group, a justification for existing and other tiresome shit like that.

The remaining 25% have good reason to hate this forum and I agree with them. They see it as a place where inverted logic is king, where people are highly critical and elitist just to hear themselves talk and appear intelligent to others. In their minds, it's a bunch of Aspies showing off to each other, and is conflatable with what the butthurt Pantera/O-peth fans are doing.

In this life, you either do things for inward motivation -- cause to effect -- or you do them to be seen.

The former will get you criticism from inverted people, but in the long term, you will be respected. The latter will get you temporary social standing, waste your time and everyone else's, and after a suitable interval, be forgotten as the irrelevant bratty behavior it is.

I've known for years how most forums get dominated by loudmouths, who are alpha males online but are submissive people for whom life didn't turn out as cool as they imagined it, in real life. They tend to have the most extreme opinions because they want to look the most extreme and they don't intend to do anything.

The life of this site is people like Doug Vance, Alex Birch, Obscura Hessian, Devamitra, "Steve Harris", Prozak and most of all Kontinual, because they act on their ideas and make them happen. They're not here to pose. I think that deserves respect and, if we're serious about what we say, we should stop the posing here and get on with the metal.

All IMHO and not relevant, necessarily, to any other forum drama. I really do love you all, but love doesn't mean letting bad/stupid behavior slide.

Re: Why people hate this forum
November 25, 2009, 07:50:58 PM
There are also lots of bad sociologists on here.

Re: Why people hate this forum
November 25, 2009, 09:46:44 PM
I agree with what Conservationist has said. May I add the oft said "One man's wine is another man's poison". You know this whole thing about everything for everyone and the "if you have it then flaunt it" to me resembles a front line assembly of a factory and has ceased thinking. IMO its the cause behind "Gurus"-the real Guru is Gu:meaning Dispeller ru:meaning Darkness i.e. Dispeller of Darkness, to me Dispeller of the uncertainity/doubts within ourselves. Also the reason for deluge of self-help books and what not, last but not the least "feelgood factor". George Bernard Shaw said "Hope is a good working definition of hell". Today's world seems to echo it instead of action

Re: Why people hate this forum
November 25, 2009, 11:31:14 PM
Someone once said that wherever you have people, you'll find the ego and stupidity. This site is no different, but it certainly is better than any other metal-related site I have found so far (i.e. it keeps those two vices on a comparatively short leash). Of course, we should always strive to make it better yet.

Re: Why people hate this forum
November 25, 2009, 11:40:05 PM
I don't see any way around being up front with expected standards and having tyrant enforcers on duty. People are oversocialized, way, way over "educated" retarded monkeys. I'm speaking strictly about all of the other forums/e-landfills that may or may not still be online that I have participated in. The members here stand out as exceptions, but that is because the staff have created and maintained a reputation for the site that is above the rest. The monkeys tend to have more tolerant places to fling doo doo than around here. Martha Stewart would call such standards a good thing.

Re: Why people hate this forum
November 25, 2009, 11:59:00 PM
The only reason I can dislike this site is due to its primary focus on the arts. However, this is dependent on the members of the forum, rather than the virtue of the forum itself. I would really enjoy discussing more technical "negative" aspects of modern society. Perhaps it's just how I present myself?

Re: Why people hate this forum
November 26, 2009, 03:44:49 AM
The only reason I can dislike this site is due to its primary focus on the arts. However, this is dependent on the members of the forum, rather than the virtue of the forum itself. I would really enjoy discussing more technical "negative" aspects of modern society. Perhaps it's just how I present myself?

We need to bring back a general purpose forum, but like keeping it separate from this forum. Here is why: Unlike most metal forums, we tolerate all speech. In metal, that leads to extremities that because they freak people out, dominate discussion. As a result, we try to avoid them, so we don't become the "Eugenics, National Socialism, Christian Holocaust, Sodomy and some Metal forum"

Re: Why people hate this forum
November 26, 2009, 09:03:46 AM
I was thinking more on the lines of academic/technical writing rather than extremities, but nonetheless, a general purpose forum is likely a solution. After being on this forum for several years, I feel I'm getting less out of it. Nowadays, I'm reading more peer-reviewed journal articles rather than news/posts/blogs/articles. It's a minor personal issue; I shouldn't expect academic writing on a forum.

Re: Why people hate this forum
November 26, 2009, 09:18:18 AM
We need to bring back a general purpose forum, but like keeping it separate from this forum. Here is why: Unlike most metal forums, we tolerate all speech. In metal, that leads to extremities that because they freak people out, dominate discussion. As a result, we try to avoid them, so we don't become the "Eugenics, National Socialism, Christian Holocaust, Sodomy and some Metal forum"

True...but I do miss the old Corrupt forum all the same!!!

Re: Why people hate this forum
November 28, 2009, 12:59:08 AM
Conservationist, I think basing a critique of this entire forum on logical inversions is a bit of a stretch. How many logical inversions are there on here? Not many. It makes me think that you point out logical inverions to criticize this forum and not because you oppose logical inversions!

The problem with anus.com forum is quite simple: most people on here aren't capable of dialectic (probably because their enslaved by some Burzum album).  Whether or not people then go out to act on their views is a minor point. 'Never been impressed with Alex Birche's little campaign. Prozacs radio KCUF, however, is a landmark in underground metal culture, and my hat off to him.

Re: Why people hate this forum
November 28, 2009, 03:05:39 AM
Prozacs radio KCUF, however, is a landmark in underground metal culture, and my hat off to him.

Props to him indeed, but it was nonetheless one of hundreds of college underground metal radio programs on the air in America during those years. Were you also unaware of this?

Re: Why people hate this forum
November 28, 2009, 05:54:46 AM
The problem with anus.com forum is quite simple: most people on here aren't capable of dialectic (probably because their enslaved by some Burzum album).  Whether or not people then go out to act on their views is a minor point. 'Never been impressed with Alex Birche's little campaign. Prozacs radio KCUF, however, is a landmark in underground metal culture, and my hat off to him.

People are capable but unwilling. We need to be beware of a too complete philosophy - it turns people away. It seems to me the site has prepared a very good open philosophy with an acceptance of quite significant deviations within that philosophy. The blogs are great and give confidence but then the forums destroy some of that. When people snap 'no' at every little thing and start bickering people get offended and leave, which is reasonable enough. People come here because they agree with the site's ideals and then are shut down because of some insignificant quibble. Then there are questions why people don't get involved, it is because they are afraid they are not accepted here. There is not a friendly or group attitude, and there are examples in almost every thread. I can't say whether one or two people are the problem or everyone is, but I have my own opinions.

Re: Why people hate this forum
November 28, 2009, 06:33:02 AM
I was thinking more on the lines of academic/technical writing rather than extremities, but nonetheless, a general purpose forum is likely a solution. After being on this forum for several years, I feel I'm getting less out of it. Nowadays, I'm reading more peer-reviewed journal articles rather than news/posts/blogs/articles. It's a minor personal issue; I shouldn't expect academic writing on a forum.
I share this feeling; there is such a wide range of topics on literature, philosophy, psychology, sociology and other sciences, yet this site seems to extend only to vague discussions on Nietzsche and repetitive discourse on eugenics, elitism, etc etc.

Re: Why people hate this forum
November 28, 2009, 11:18:55 AM
I think the real problem is that most people don't have a spine. They consequently engage in "group think" - which they ironically detest.

Re: Why people hate this forum
November 28, 2009, 12:22:08 PM
A logical inversion is when you take an argument from cause to effect, and argue from effect to cause.

Instead of saying, "I'm going to eat this so I can be healthy," you say "I want to look healthy, so I'll be seen eating this."
Actually, that's not a logical inversion.

It's totally changing the effect and the cause.

You mean "I want to be healthy, so I'll eat this."

But that doesn't fit in your holy crusade does it, so you didn't post it?