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Nazis and Nationalism

Re: Nazis and Nationalism
April 16, 2010, 03:45:45 PM
  I'm going to back out of this one with a smug expression on my face while laughing at Muslims for having allowed themselves to become so degraded in more recent times.

The feeling is apparently mutual.

Re: Nazis and Nationalism
April 16, 2010, 11:52:01 PM
  I'm going to back out of this one with a smug expression on my face while laughing at Muslims for having allowed themselves to become so degraded in more recent times.

The feeling is apparently mutual.

Good point.

Re: Nazis and Nationalism
April 17, 2010, 12:16:20 AM
it will fly.


Re: Nazis and Nationalism
April 17, 2010, 06:15:26 AM
Yes. This is all a pile of crap.

Let's compare leading 'literates' during the Middle Ages (and yes, unfortunately, we have a Wikipedia at our disposal):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_al-Nafis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Aquinas

It seems to me that the leading Arab rapes the leading White European.

After invading Southern France, Arabs took in possession the surviving texts of ancient Greece and Rome including Pythagoras, Aristotle and Ptolemy. By the 13th century, Europeans heroically took back what was theirs enabling the Christian priesthood to translate what was at the time Arabic texts (translated from Greek) into Latin and create the first European universities for the intellectual and religious elite. It wasn't until the Renaissance when these ancient texts became outdated by Copernicus (Poland), Kepler (Germany), Descartes (France) and Newton (England) among others who, building upon the ancient Greeks/Romans and the Catholic Church of the Middle Ages, made breakthroughs in physics, astronomy, mathematics, and so on creating much of modern science. 

What have we learned?

1) You have the historical knowledge and common sense of a door-knob
2) Your butt-soreness over racial superiority - an issue many if not all of us here don't care about - has led you on a Wikipedia driven search to prove white folks aint all that, typical of  equality and tolerance rhetoric. Images of slave and resentment come to mind.
3) Christianity in the hands of the right people, such as theologians like Newton, has the potential to be restored to a scientific and spiritual religion - a combination of materialist and transcendent values based on reality: Pythagorean Christianity.

It seems to me that the leading Arab rapes the leading White European.


Re: Nazis and Nationalism
April 17, 2010, 04:33:50 PM
The point of philosophy is that we can look at abstractions, not instances of those designs.

In the case of religions, philosophies and cultures, the important thing is to find out what is real.

Christianity can have the real, and so can Islam, but there are other factors at play here.

First, Islam is a religion, but it is indigenous to a certain region whose population has changed since ancient times, and whose fortunes have declined.

Second, Christianity is a religion in the hands of a declining culture where peasants are equal to kings.

We need to focus on the important things we can learn from this:

(a) Mass revolt destroys any religion, culture or philosophy
(b) Idiots will infest any religion, culture, or philosophy
(c) Ethnic-cultural differences trump religious labels
(d) Each region needs an indigenous culture, religion and philosophy (hopefully one and the same, at a philosophical level)

Can we all agree on these?

I detest Nazis and racism, but I think that we too often consider honest ethno-nationalism to be racism. That's not racism. Racism to me is a desire to keep other races around so they can serve you in a lower social position.

Pan-nationalism creates no slaves. It does, however, remove us all from being slaves to the nightmare of having no clear culture for each region.

Re: Nazis and Nationalism
April 19, 2010, 05:50:48 AM
You don't know history very well then for instance after the Crusades when muslims spread further into Europe, crushing Constantinople with it's "yellow people" and still ruling that area to this day.  They also took all of southern Europe at one time or another throughout the Dark/Middle ages, including Spain, Italy and Greece.  Those countries were made mostly of white people until this.  Now people from those countries are rather dark and seem more Middles Eastern than white.
I have been wondering about this myself, but I never put the Muslim invasion into context.

I was looking for my argument as to why the modern Italians are not the same as the ancient Romans, and I have found my answer. Thank you.

The point of philosophy is that we can look at abstractions, not instances of those designs.

In the case of religions, philosophies and cultures, the important thing is to find out what is real.

Christianity can have the real, and so can Islam, but there are other factors at play here.

First, Islam is a religion, but it is indigenous to a certain region whose population has changed since ancient times, and whose fortunes have declined.
A problem is nether of these religions were built for our civilization, and since our civilization has now largely shaped the world, we are in an ideological crisis.
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Second, Christianity is a religion in the hands of a declining culture where peasants are equal to kings.

We need to focus on the important things we can learn from this:

(a) Mass revolt destroys any religion, culture or philosophy
(b) Idiots will infest any religion, culture, or philosophy
(c) Ethnic-cultural differences trump religious labels
(d) Each region needs an indigenous culture, religion and philosophy (hopefully one and the same, at a philosophical level)

Can we all agree on these?
Largely, this declining culture is rejecting Christianity, and religion all together. I believe that the issue isn't so much the religion, but the entire culture. Maybe this culture is the future, as the result of technology and the new globalist world. Or maybe this is the beginning of the end of this civilization.
(a) A problem here is that many religions, cultures, and philosophies are created by mass revolt. Christianity was a mass revolt against Jewish materialism, western culture (as it is now since the Renaissance) is the result of a revolt against mysticism, and the belief in humanism, and philosophy is a revolt against society.

I agree with B, C and D.
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I detest Nazis and racism, but I think that we too often consider honest ethno-nationalism to be racism. That's not racism. Racism to me is a desire to keep other races around so they can serve you in a lower social position.

Pan-nationalism creates no slaves. It does, however, remove us all from being slaves to the nightmare of having no clear culture for each region.
The Nazis were nationalists, unless you are referring to skinhead neo-nazis, then I agree.
racism is the preference of one race over another. Unless you are a strict multiculturalist, you are a so called "racist".

To me, as long as the individual is a decent person, I do not care what race that person is. As long as they do not have the slave mentality, I do not care. The problem is that most have this mentality, and this is vocal in all races. However, in a social darwinists view, certain cultures are prone to this mentality. Whites "won" because of our minds, we invented better machines, and due to this, we have conquered the world. We "evolved" first.

I believe it is normal not to care for other cultures, because they are not your own. However we now have the problem that there are no good cultures, as ours has decayed.

Re: Nazis and Nationalism
April 20, 2010, 03:03:50 AM
Here is a link to the platform for the Libertarian National Socialist Green Party of North America.

Re: Nazis and Nationalism
April 21, 2010, 12:44:10 AM
Here is a link to the platform for the Libertarian National Socialist Green Party of North America.
That is a little different from what they have on their site, specifically the section of "Doctrines not promoted by the party".

Re: Nazis and Nationalism
April 28, 2012, 12:29:54 PM
The American Nazi Party has its first lobbyist in Washington, according to reports.

The Hill newspaper, which covers Congress when it is in session, said John Bowles had registered with House and Senate offices as a representative of the “ANP,” according to disclosure records.
The records said that he planned to lobby on “political rights and ballot access laws,” and other issues such as civil rights, healthcare and immigration.

“You know, congressmen and congresswomen have always been telling the American public that they were open to other viewpoints,” Bowles told The Hill. “I’m going to see if they were sincere about that, or I’m going to call their bluff.”

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/14/11193302-swastika-on-the-ballot-american-nazi-party-gets-its-first-lobbyist

NHA

Re: Nazis and Nationalism
April 28, 2012, 02:01:29 PM
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I was looking for my argument as to why the modern Italians are not the same as the ancient Romans, and I have found my answer. Thank you.

Dunno. Last time i was in Rome i saw a large amount of people with the exact same type of facial features that you see in classical art and sculpture from the region.

Even our corsican friend could easily pass for any random roman bust.




 

Re: Nazis and Nationalism
April 28, 2012, 07:22:50 PM
Nationalism was an invention of liberal politics.  It is a quintessentially post-1789 phenomenon.  Just sayin'.

Re: Nazis and Nationalism
April 28, 2012, 07:47:28 PM
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I was looking for my argument as to why the modern Italians are not the same as the ancient Romans, and I have found my answer. Thank you.

Ancient Italians were not the same as Romans, and certainly not the same as the Roman aristocracy (which is what you're talking about if you're basing the physical "type" of Romans on portrait busts, coin profiles and the like).  You have to understand that, for the entire history of the Roman Republic, and the early history of the empire, virtually all Romans of consequence (i.e. those who ended up leaving busts or profiles for posterity) came from a tiny handful of deeply interbred and interconnected families.  Something like 20 families produced well over 80% of the Republic's senior magistrates (if the fasti are to be believed, and there's no real reason to doubt that they can).  It's not surprising that most modern Italians don't look all that much like a tiny, closed breeding population of cousins.

Re: Nazis and Nationalism
April 29, 2012, 02:38:42 AM
The term “nationalism” is generally used to describe two phenomena: (1) the attitude that the members of a nation have when they care about their national identity, and (2) the actions that the members of a nation take when seeking to achieve (or sustain) self-determination. (1) raises questions about the concept of a nation (or national identity), which is often defined in terms of common origin, ethnicity, or cultural ties, and while an individual's membership in a nation is often regarded as involuntary, it is sometimes regarded as voluntary. (2) raises questions about whether self-determination must be understood as involving having full statehood with complete authority over domestic and international affairs, or whether something less is required.

It is traditional, therefore, to distinguish nations from states — whereas a nation often consists of an ethnic or cultural community, a state is a political entity with a high degree of sovereignty. While many states are nations in some sense, there are many nations which are not fully sovereign states. As an example, the Native American Iroquois constitute a nation but not a state, since they do not possess the requisite political authority over their internal or external affairs. If the members of the Iroquois nation were to strive to form a sovereign state in the effort to preserve their identity as a people, they would be exhibiting a state-focused nationalism.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/nationalism/