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Third world USA

NHA

Re: Third world USA
March 24, 2012, 08:51:03 PM
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White people should be smart enough to devise a society not reliant on oppression and victimization of others.

Care to elaborate on this a bit?

Re: Third world USA
March 25, 2012, 06:33:59 AM
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White people should be smart enough to devise a society not reliant on oppression and victimization of others.

Care to elaborate on this a bit?


I think European based society survival depends on it. Otherwise the cycles of oppression/genocide will just be used against the population as they are now, forever.
Lettin' nillas know.

I hope our aryan overlords will emerge form their l secret base below antartica and wipe all of those under 500 of IQ And don't have the ability to mindtravel into the Xerces Galaxy.

NHA

Re: Third world USA
March 25, 2012, 05:45:11 PM
Its still a very vague statement. Which population? Oppression of whom? What time period are we talking about? Even the term society is kind of vague in this context. Are we talking about the economic aspects of it or what?


Re: Third world USA
March 25, 2012, 06:08:03 PM
Vagueness is a great descriptor.
It's hard to find any form of human 'communication', any more, that is not vague.
Once words were used to describe specific things, and they could, because words meant only what those words meant.
Along with this clarity, went goodwill, hand-in-hand.
There was a clear goal to communication.
But now, words themselves are vague, having many different subjective meanings, often the opposite of the original.
This being the case, human thought, using mental words, has become vague, until often it is no longer thought, at all.

Forums are interesting, and disturbing phenomena. They depend entirely upon words.
Experience the vagueness!

Vagueness, all by itself, explains the descent into third-world-ness.
Without communication, kiss goodbye to cooperation.
Without cooperation, kiss goodbye to civilization.
Squawk!

Re: Third world USA
March 25, 2012, 07:24:28 PM
More progress as good feeling, fairness and free handjobs at the starbucks now more important than maintaining civilization or what the hell, doing one's job that one is paid to do:

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The Los Angeles Police Department will soon start ignoring California state law, which requires police to impound the vehicles of unlicensed drivers for 30 days.

The majority of unlicensed motorists in Los Angeles are immigrants who are in the country illegally and have low-income jobs. The LAPD says the state’s impound law is unfair because it limits their ability to get to their jobs and imposes a steep fine to get their car back.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03/22/police-to-ignore-california-law-requiring-authorities-to-impound-vehicles/

Like a determined knight of the Grail, we'll keep searching for signs of this faith based concept progress.

Re: Third world USA
March 26, 2012, 09:41:31 AM
Its still a very vague statement. Which population? Oppression of whom? What time period are we talking about? Even the term society is kind of vague in this context. Are we talking about the economic aspects of it or what?



To be less vague, whites have to learn how to sustain without exploiting others, or else someone will come along and use the natural and very human emotions of guilt against them later. For instance, whites are guilty, and rightly so, about the cruel and barbaric institutions of slavery and the post slavery apartheid. This is infused with German anti-semitism in the mainstream to create the evil racist nazi boogyman. The desire to get away from that boogyman is then used to market "cool" to our kids in the form of plastic hip hop counter culture. This is done purposely to break ethnic or cultural identity in the population of anything that extends beyond fully malleable and controllable concepts like "freedom" which has been modified into "freedom to buy things that make noise" ; commercialism.  

But it is all a giant devious lie. Nothing is truly being done to correct the social injustices committed against black people. Post slavery blacks had no real culture besides what the slave owners imposed on them. The drug laws and media are being used to permanently write negative messages into the black identity. Funneled into ghettos for life, used only as tools to entertain in pro sports, create stupid cultural heroes, and breed white women out of existence. "Never again" they say.

Additionally, those notions are also used to package foreign oil and Zionist based conquests into humanitarian crusades. Like the Kony 2012 reaction shows, many Americans are still easily sold on imperialism. We're bringing the savages democracy and preventing more Anti Jewish racism!  

As the body count from these Zionist imperialistic wars continues to rise, it seems clear that eventually someone will use this against the West as well. But who will it be? And who exactly will it be used against? And how? Will we import even more middle eastern people, and create Iraqi-rap videos? Or will we cast out those who lied to send us there to commit these murders?
Lettin' nillas know.

I hope our aryan overlords will emerge form their l secret base below antartica and wipe all of those under 500 of IQ And don't have the ability to mindtravel into the Xerces Galaxy.

Re: Third world USA
March 26, 2012, 11:52:11 AM
Dont know if you might of seen these documentary films already but sure maybe some else hasnt


2006 - The Corporation

Trailer - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa3wyaEe9vE

Full film - http://www.documentarytube.com/the-corporation-documentary-full-version


2006 - Occupation 101

Trailer - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7Vj_lIe0kw

Full film - http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/occupation-101/
A battle axe!
A cleaver or whatever I need!

NHA

Re: Third world USA
March 26, 2012, 04:57:44 PM
To be less vague, whites have to learn how to sustain without exploiting others, or else someone will come along and use the natural and very human emotions of guilt against them later. For instance, whites are guilty, and rightly so, about the cruel and barbaric institutions of slavery and the post slavery apartheid
The guilt is mostly a product of arbitrary cultural expectations. For example the Athenians found it distasteful that the Spartans made slaves of neighboring Greeks but found no issue with keeping foreign slaves of their own. Also the Arab slave trade lasted from 650-1960 and nobody really cares about it too much from what I've seen.

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The desire to get away from that boogyman is then used to market "cool" to our kids in the form of plastic hip hop counter culture. This is done purposely to break ethnic or cultural identity in the population of anything that extends beyond fully malleable and controllable concepts like "freedom" which has been modified into "freedom to buy things that make noise" ; commercialism.  

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Signs of paradox: irony, resentment, and other mimetic structures -
Eric Lawrence Gans
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"Today minority resentment is no longer merely the underlying source
of american pop culture; it has become its principal theme... This
suggests a model of postmodern culture in which the status of a
persecuted minority has become the sole source of cultural
legitimacy."

"The postmodern era is a turning point in cultural evolution. The
worldwide triumph of american popular culture based on the double
minority configuration suggests that culture is produced by and for
victims; victimage is the prior guarantee of its appeal to the general
population."

"Unlike postmodern high culture, which operates in an ironic,
citational mode, mass culture cannot function without figures on which
desire and resentment can focus"

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Some dude with a moustache:
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"Slave morality is created in opposition to what master morality
values as 'good'. Slave morality does not aim at exerting one's will
by strength but by careful subversion. It does not seek to transcend
the masters, but to make them slaves as well"

"Since the powerful are few in number compared to the masses of the
weak, the weak gain power by corrupting the strong into believing that
the causes of slavery are 'evil', as are the qualities they originally
could not choose because of their weakness. By saying humility is
voluntary, slave morality avoids admitting that their humility was in
the beginning forced upon them by a master."

"Biblical principles of turning the other cheek, humility, charity,
and pity are the result of universalizing the plight of the slave onto
all humankind"

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But it is all a giant devious lie. Nothing is truly being done to correct the social injustices committed against black people. Post slavery blacks had no real culture besides what the slave owners imposed on them. The drug laws and media are being used to permanently write negative messages into the black identity. Funneled into ghettos for life, used only as tools to entertain in pro sports, create stupid cultural heroes, and breed white women out of existence. "Never again" they say.
Blacks seem to be in similar positions regardless of what country you look at. If this were an isolated case in the U.S. the easiest fix for a black individual would be to simply move - but there's no point.  Its true the media paints a negative portrait of blacks but there is a certain subset of blacks that seem to bend over backwards to try to fit the negative stereotypes. 

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Additionally, those notions are also used to package foreign oil and Zionist based conquests into humanitarian crusades. Like the Kony 2012 reaction shows, many Americans are still easily sold on imperialism. We're bringing the savages democracy and preventing more Anti Jewish racism!  
Nothing new here. An amusing conversation between Goring and Gilbert at Nuremberg jail:

We got around to the subject of war again and I said that, contrary to his attitude, I did not think that the common people are very thankful for leaders who bring them war and destruction.

"Why, of course, the people don't want war," Goering shrugged. "Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship."

"There is one difference," I pointed out. "In a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars."

"Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."


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As the body count from these Zionist imperialistic wars continues to rise, it seems clear that eventually someone will use this against the West as well. But who will it be? And who exactly will it be used against? And how? Will we import even more middle eastern people, and create Iraqi-rap videos? Or will we cast out those who lied to send us there to commit these murders?

I think France's hip hop scene is mostly kids from the Mahgreb haha. Anyway the crowd wont revolt unless their personal level of discomfort exceeds a certain threshold. If you keep the proles fed and entertained you can mostly do whatever you want behind the scenes.


Re: Third world USA
March 26, 2012, 08:01:58 PM

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Blacks seem to be in similar positions regardless of what country you look at. If this were an isolated case in the U.S. the easiest fix for a black individual would be to simply move - but there's no point.  Its true the media paints a negative portrait of blacks but there is a certain subset of blacks that seem to bend over backwards to try to fit the negative stereotypes. 

The biggest issue I find with white people aware of Zionism who do not like the full scale assault on everything traditionally considered white or European is that this usually coincides with a fair amount of legitimate racial hared, and an acceptance of every scientific racist argument that appears to absolve whites of any culpability in the African worlds problems. It kind of drove me away from this site and especially the rest of the movement for a while as I struggled to find a median between not being a racist asshole clinging to ancient notions of intrasociety ethnic dominance/stratification and the anger I have at the crimes being committed against my white heritage. I have found though that it is possible to be aware of the decay, yet cognizant and sympathetic to the plights of nukkaz, and not willing to continue marginalizing others. Africans struggle mightily world wide, but most of that is because of the cultural damage imposed on them by colonialism and slavery. Whether or not culture a people in it of itself is an outgrowth of the biology of a people is immaterial. It is clear black people would be better off under black systems.

I do not live in Africa so trying to fix the problems there isn't my concern, but African Americans are another matter. These people are our countrymen. And they live in third world conditions. Whether we like it or not, they exist here as a result of previous white barbaric cruelty. You mention how blacks bend over backwards to fit negative stereotypes. But why? What real culture do they have? They have no link to any folk African traditions, social institutions or heritage. Go back 170 years and they were property. Then they were isolated for most of our nations history since that point. Why are they on welfare? Because they were trained to be dependent on whites. Why do they fit these stereotypes? Well, first ask what other archetypes exist? All they have is what they see around them, and what is sold to them by the media. The lack of importance on males staying in the home, and on education, is a direct result of slavery essentially ensuring those values are not respected. Drug laws are further used to keep this people broken.  The liberal argument "its socioeconomic" is such a lie and disservice. That argument basically says the social problems of black communities such as gangs, addiction, child abandonment and a lack of education will go away if they're made into consumers. Their problem is unique among all immigrant populations in the West.

Japan has all the answers I think. Demographically, they are 98% Japanese, yet they still enjoy and respect foreign visitors, no longer wage wars exploiting weaker societies. They maintain a balance between traditional Japanese culture and modern technology. They appreciate and legitimately love Western forms of music, style and media, yet they maintain a direct link to their own cultural past in the pop culture. They also have way better religions. 2.% Christian. 70%+ the native Japanese religion.

In 5,000 years, Japanese will be found in Japan. English will not be found in England. In 100 years, Japan will be a larger player in international trade, sciences and technology than any nation in the West. When the collapse hits whenever that may be, they will not suffer from nearly the internal strife that Europe and the Anglo diaspora will. 

I find I read like a liberal on places like this, and like a nazi on anywhere else. Damn this decay.
Lettin' nillas know.

I hope our aryan overlords will emerge form their l secret base below antartica and wipe all of those under 500 of IQ And don't have the ability to mindtravel into the Xerces Galaxy.

Re: Third world USA
March 26, 2012, 08:26:34 PM
Wolfgang that was a good read dude.
A battle axe!
A cleaver or whatever I need!

Re: Third world USA
March 26, 2012, 08:30:11 PM
I find I read like a liberal on places like this, and like a nazi on anywhere else. Damn this decay.


You read like Wolfgang, to me. A distinct, and often uncomfortable personalty.
I imagine that what you have to say, might carry a great deal more weight, if the negativity was self-edited-out.
Then again, the entire Western world would benefit greatly from the editing-out of its habitual negativity.

Squawk!

Re: Third world USA
March 26, 2012, 08:48:14 PM
Wolfgang that was a good read dude.

You will learn much, child. :P
Lettin' nillas know.

I hope our aryan overlords will emerge form their l secret base below antartica and wipe all of those under 500 of IQ And don't have the ability to mindtravel into the Xerces Galaxy.

Re: Third world USA
March 26, 2012, 08:51:28 PM
I find I read like a liberal on places like this, and like a nazi on anywhere else. Damn this decay.


You read like Wolfgang, to me. A distinct, and often uncomfortable personalty.
I imagine that what you have to say, might carry a great deal more weight, if the negativity was self-edited-out.
Then again, the entire Western world would benefit greatly from the editing-out of its habitual negativity.



What negativity is that? Look, I am sorry I found your take on the relationship between science and reality absurd and could do nothing but say it was absurd. In way though, that fits the crux of what you were saying, which was basically "it is what it is". So feel paradoxically vindicated.
Lettin' nillas know.

I hope our aryan overlords will emerge form their l secret base below antartica and wipe all of those under 500 of IQ And don't have the ability to mindtravel into the Xerces Galaxy.

NHA

Re: Third world USA
March 26, 2012, 10:03:42 PM
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Africans struggle mightily world wide, but most of that is because of the cultural damage imposed on them by colonialism and slavery. Whether or not culture a people in it of itself is an outgrowth of the biology of a people is immaterial. It is clear black people would be better off under black systems.
Why is it that India, Australia, America, Mexico, and a good part of South America were able to adapt despite being exploited under colonialism? Mesoamerican culture was basicly wiped clean.
 
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But why? What real culture do they have? They have no link to any folk African traditions, social institutions or heritage.
They're part of the same garbage pop culture as everyone else in the country. It's not like most white Americans know or care about anything European. Apparently 26% don't even know America declared independence from England.

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Why are they on welfare? Because they were trained to be dependent on whites.
Because it exists and they qualify for it. Probably for the same reason when i go to a shopping mall in Sweden or France during work hours on a weekday and see the place is 90% full of Arabs who are not tourists. Or why during the war in the balkans Serbians would go to Sweden and collect aid (aid that was meant for the people they were bombing) under different names and different towns. If the government is handing out free money you can expect someone to come by and take it.

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.. and on education, is a direct result of slavery essentially ensuring those values are not respected.
I don't know what schools you went to but where i went it was clear no one gave a fuck about learning anything. People would intentionally fail classes to take them in adult school where the test and homework answers had been stolen. You could make up a whole class in like 1-2 weeks.
I think i can safely say i learned absolutely nothing in high school. But its also the information age where anyone halfway intelligent can self educate with no cost at all.

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Drug laws are further used to keep this people broken. 
The war on drugs probably created way more problems than anything it was supposed to protect against but I still don't see how you can justify drug use or sales as being caused by your ancestors enslavement. Why because you're poor? Theres lots of poor that come to this country who don't end up in jail for doing stupid shit over and over again despite seeing the people around them getting incarcerated for it.

It just comes across as one excuse after another when dealing with this subset of blacks. Other minority groups face similar problems yet these guys somehow always manage to come out at the bottom - with similar parallels in sub Saharan Africa. Average IQ of blacks in the U.S. is what? like 85? An IQ score isn't as big of a deal as some people like to make it out to be but it just seems that everything points in the same direction - that this population group is mostly fucking retarded. I'd say at least 70% of the blacks i come across seem perfectly normal so it makes me wonder how low is the retard subset scoring to bring down their average so much. And btw the IQ difference start to show up at age 3 which would rule out the effect of public education.


Re: Third world USA
March 27, 2012, 12:14:23 AM
You're not seeing the macro of what culture is. Most Americans grew up in white homes, in white neighborhoods, with macro cultural institutions in place in the communities. This is why they get jobs. Graduate college. etc. Not knowing we declared independence from England doesn't take away the true nature of the people(though our people's nature is being rapidly diluted). This inherent nature is fundamentally Northern European, whether it is realized or not.

African slaves were not connected at all to their people, and their culture was specifically designed and shaped to keep them reliant and quiet. But culture isn't just reverence for pictures of warriors in classical garb, or music that fits with a visual of your people's past. It is organic, and lives in the community, is found in the interactions between mother and child, father and son. These things were completely robbed from Africans brought here as slaves, and done willingly so they'd be easy to control. Thus all they have is all they have. Poverty. Gangs. Thus the veneration of the "ghetto" culture. It is all they know. There is no tradition for these people. It is a horrible reality. But it is no less the reality than the biological realities.

You have confirmation bias. You want to hate them. You find proof in the pudding then. Like the IQ tests and such. I've used those same tests before to justify negative feelings. But it doesn't make sense to say an entire continent of people would be fundamentally "fuck ups". They would have selected out of existence. Instead, we must analyze why they are fuck ups. The cultural traditions of African are the least compatible with the rest of the planet. We need ask why. This could possibly be because of neuromorphology being different than other groups, which are much closer related to each other. It isn't hard to see why Africans look "less evolved" slightly than the rest of old world humanity, which is by in large approximately equal cognitively and is just in different states of cultural development. This could be related to the fact they're closer to earlier modern human forms due to not having to face the selective pressures the peoples that left Africa long ago faced.

Or it could be related to the fact there was far far less cultural interchange between Africa and the rest of the world than the rest of global North had. Africa was beyond the coast isolated until colonialism which completely fucked up large amounts of their native culture rapidly, and infused with with very alien forms. Then there are also geographical features that are much less conducive to complex society development. Ethiopia is a black country that was never conquered by whites, but Ethiopia had significant influence and contact with outsiders for thousands of years. The skin and cultural differences also caused whites to look and treat African colonialism much worse than most other Old World colonies, like India specifically. Arabian and Persian cultures were classically sources of science, architecture, literature and philosophy, while proto-Germanics were savage tribesmen, but post colonialism many Middle Eastern and Central Europe have reverted to very primitive states. Afghanis speak Persian but nowadays thanks to Islam and outside interference that place is as tribal and backward as any place in the world.

I wonder how quickly the savage Germanic and Celtic barbarians of 1500 years ago that would later become Northern Europeans would have gotten their shit together if they were suddenly invaded by Chinese who imposed completely alien systems upon them. Colonialism only ended in the last 50 years for most African states. Only once the modern period came into existence did Germanics move past the basic primitive state not unlike Africans were mostly in until colonialism. Little written language, no amazing civilizations, nothing like that existed until relatively recently. This is why we know almost nothing about our classical Germanic Paganism. No giant temples to Thor can be found and only shreds of runic history remain.

Even if there are biological differences behind the cultural difference, it helps no one and will never be palatable to dehumanize the African race. So the best course of action that is respectful and acknowledges the beauty found in all humanity is to encourage a return to traditional African values for those people.

I'm over scientic racism that begins and ends with IQ test results. Western exploitation of Africans is a large part of the cultural guilt that is being used to destroy us. Turn away from it. Whites must learn to value the sanctity of all human traditions, without sacrificing our own. This is a balance the Japanese have learned. And we have not. We northern Europeans are a barbaric lot really.
Lettin' nillas know.

I hope our aryan overlords will emerge form their l secret base below antartica and wipe all of those under 500 of IQ And don't have the ability to mindtravel into the Xerces Galaxy.