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Progressive Rock

Re: Progressive Rock
June 15, 2011, 05:01:26 PM
Sorry for the pedophile link, but:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goblin_%28band%29

I heard this band in the movie Suspiria, which was kind of cool except that evil lost at the end (fuck). They have a neat ability to keep suspense and textural intensity over a long period of time.

Re: Progressive Rock
June 16, 2011, 07:06:38 AM
There are some good progressive rock albums. I like Pink Floyd, Camel, King Crimson, Gentle Giant. What is your opinion on this strange genre?

Its amazing! Other great prog ideas include

-Emerson Lake & Palmer (I can't believe they aren't around here more... I think these guys above all others with the possible exception of van der graaf would appeal to the metal fan) check out self titled, trilogy, brain salad surgery or their cover of missorgsky's pictures at an exhibilition. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbEMsHn38nU&feature=fvst)
-Premiata Forneria Marconi - Per Un Amico (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDWKIgopUSI&feature=related)
-Yes - close to the edge (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHsiP1aLqhU)
-Van der graaf generator - pawn hearts (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-Qf9O0To6Y)
-Tool (people will be confident to have a cry here i suspect because they feel backed up by anus precedent which seems to dislike anything with metallic edge which has gone down 'alternative' paths. Tool progresses and evolves ideas to a massive extent into an aesthetically appealing narrative) - lateralis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiR1hmpk-x4&feature=related)
-The Flower Kings - Space Revolver (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7xYTqSutmw)
-Ash ra tempel - Schiwngungen  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sBy9RXKELk&feature=related)
-Cog - just visiting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B19zdMnlIOQ)
-Radiohead - Kid A, King of Limbs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOuC2OUNMDQ&feature=related)
-Devin Townsend - Terria, Accelerated Evolution (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEJJxPgwkzA)

For those who are interested, Pink Floyd started kraut rock with their period after syd barret left. This is their least known period and includes saucer full of secrets to the Meddle album just before dark side of the moon when roger waters took the reigns (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5_0iZQ-TuA). Tangerine dream is in full debt to them. But Pink floyd injected this 'space rock' with an epic, more structured sensibility.

Don't be sccared to check out msuic for yourself

Re: Progressive Rock
June 16, 2011, 09:29:45 AM
Most prog rock listeners would NOT consider these bands to be prog: Rush, Pink Floyd, Radiohead, Tool, Devin Townsend.

The term "progressive" tends to get thrown around a lot, but generally, it's not being used to mean anything other than "unconventional."

Re: Progressive Rock
June 17, 2011, 02:15:54 AM
Most prog rock listeners would NOT consider these bands to be prog: Rush, Pink Floyd, Radiohead, Tool, Devin Townsend.

The term "progressive" tends to get thrown around a lot, but generally, it's not being used to mean anything other than "unconventional."

These bands are commonly accepted as 'prog':

http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=364
http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1492
http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1199
http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=432
http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=432
http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=609

http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?salbumtypes=1#list

With all respect I assume you have not devoted much time or love to any of the above bands if you think they are 'conventional' (not that simply being unconventional = good music). Pink Floyd, in particular, open up entire sonic galaxies! Listen to the Ummagumma live album, or their famous track 'echoes' or the 'shine on you crazy diamond' suite. The 'animals' album is pure genius in a less space rock vein. Interestingly it saw roger waters take the symbolism of orwell's animal farm and reverse it to have different animals represent different classes in a capitalist, as opposed to communist, system.  And the wall album was one of the first rock 'musicals'.

Re: Progressive Rock
June 17, 2011, 04:37:01 PM
Sidereal:
-The flower kings - space revolver, ah my introduction to them. Funny to see this name here: I love all their albums!
-Hmm Premiata... I have it lying somewhere, perhaps I should give it another spin.
-VDGG I only have godbluff and I'm still not that keen on it, how would you compare the two?
-Radiohead: decent, I have their first 6. Don't know what to expect from the King of limbs.
-Lateralus is the better tool indeed.

I usually don't like Devin, but I was slightly surprised by his contribution on Ayreon - the human equation (which is for the most part an average album) and Tales from topographic oceans might be my choice for yes today. Although it's a difficult one.

Re: Progressive Rock
June 17, 2011, 05:11:52 PM
With all respect I assume you have not devoted much time or love to any of the above bands if you think they are 'conventional' (not that simply being unconventional = good music).

My point was that "progressive" is a more specific definition than "unconventional." Those bands are not really even all that unconventional. If anything, very Beatles-derived.


Re: Progressive Rock
June 17, 2011, 10:24:34 PM
-Emerson Lake & Palmer (I can't believe they aren't around here more... I think these guys above all others with the possible exception of van der graaf would appeal to the metal fan) check out self titled, trilogy, brain salad surgery or their cover of missorgsky's pictures at an exhibilition. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbEMsHn38nU&feature=fvst)
-Premiata Forneria Marconi - Per Un Amico (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDWKIgopUSI&feature=related)
-Yes - close to the edge (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHsiP1aLqhU)
-Van der graaf generator - pawn hearts (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-Qf9O0To6Y)
-Ash ra tempel - Schiwngungen  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sBy9RXKELk&feature=related)

Maybe also mention

King Crimson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WziHTTy_MCs

Gentle Giant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvNzZ7RXQtM

Greenslade
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJdSAbigy4w

Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman and Howe (post-YES)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L5i6CVzNNQ

Genesis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD5engyVXe0

Jethro Tull
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1xY7Heaqg8

Gong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKfTKNp_yUI

Caravan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G61UV0U0APc

Re: Progressive Rock
June 20, 2011, 05:57:10 AM
With all respect I assume you have not devoted much time or love to any of the above bands if you think they are 'conventional' (not that simply being unconventional = good music).

My point was that "progressive" is a more specific definition than "unconventional." Those bands are not really even all that unconventional. If anything, very Beatles-derived.

Fair enough. Conventional and unconventional are very subjective and arbitrary terms, so I don't feel comfortable recommending someone's art based on whether it conforms to terms like them. However, Beatles' sergeant pepper's album was fairly ground breaking! Many take it to be the quintessential proto-prog album (while crimson's in the court was the groundbreaking prog album, as such) as it was a pure studio-album and saw much experimentation with classical arrangements and layering. Having the Beatles in your genealogy means you could be VERY likely to be progressive, depending on what era of the band we're talking about!!

Re: Progressive Rock
June 20, 2011, 06:02:35 AM
Sidereal:
-The flower kings - space revolver, ah my introduction to them. Funny to see this name here: I love all their albums!
-Hmm Premiata... I have it lying somewhere, perhaps I should give it another spin.
-VDGG I only have godbluff and I'm still not that keen on it, how would you compare the two?
-Radiohead: decent, I have their first 6. Don't know what to expect from the King of limbs.
-Lateralus is the better tool indeed.

I usually don't like Devin, but I was slightly surprised by his contribution on Ayreon - the human equation (which is for the most part an average album) and Tales from topographic oceans might be my choice for yes today. Although it's a difficult one.

re VDGG: Godbluff is quite different from pawn hearts as it was the album they made after they re-formed after a few years hiatus after pawn hearts. Pawn hearts is heavier, darker, more sprawled, and perhaps less refined in its composition (but i find it much more emotive). Godbluff is more efficient and refined.

Devin won't be for everyone, but if he is for you then his music definitely sings. I'm not much into ayreon or tales, which i find very patchy! ELP are definitely the prog band to check out for metal heads along with VDGG and perhaps gentle giant.

Re: Progressive Rock
June 20, 2011, 08:00:39 AM
http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=364

For the record: this source sucks. They are way, way too generous about including everything and everyone as "prog," and they can't seem to tell the good from the bad. In fact, they seem to like the bad.

Re: Progressive Rock
June 20, 2011, 09:02:16 AM
http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=364

For the record: this source sucks. They are way, way too generous about including everything and everyone as "prog," and they can't seem to tell the good from the bad. In fact, they seem to like the bad.

I've found heaps of beautiful music over the years on this site. It may have its faults but i'm glad its there.

Re: Progressive Rock
June 23, 2011, 03:59:27 AM
I've found heaps of beautiful music over the years on this site.

I've found heaps of beautiful music in used CD racks. Celebrate mediocrity!

Re: Progressive Rock
June 24, 2011, 07:49:11 PM
Opinions on YES, specifically The Yes Album?

Re: Progressive Rock
June 25, 2011, 01:52:31 AM
Opinions on YES, specifically The Yes Album?

Not terrible, but Tales from Topographic Oceans and Relayer are my personal favorites, but I like the 70s sound (not the 60s sound -- I shit on everything 60s after eating fish tacos and sauerkraut).