N5BM

[Conservationist]

Metal is Romanticism; rock and roll is Utilitarianism.

Black metal is extreme Romanticism, including National-Romantic sentiment (as most Romanticists had).

National Romantic sentiment means pride in country, and desire to protect it from harm. That may include Nationalism, or a desire to exclude those foreign in blood -- as a means of protecting the native land. That allows it to be united by culture, not capitalism or gov't dogma.

However, neo-Nazis are united by hatred and racism. They don't like black people or Jews anywhere and consider them, "objectively," to be bad. It is a dumbed down philosophy that perverts Nationalism and even National Socialism (Hitler after all occupied North Africa and showed no inclination to wipe out Jews and Africans there).

NSBM is even worse a clubhouse based on liking these extreme views -- and that comes before the music. So you get loud, droning, incompetent, angry music for people who are unsure of what they believe. It sucks completely.

And that summarizes it nicely. Outside of Graveland, Burzum, Darkthrone, Absurd and a few others (Skrewdriver), far-right music has been a holocaust of musicality for the last 50 years.

[Svmmoned]

Hatecore bands sounds angry and hatefull. Modern N5BM with either folk or indie rock flavour is weak and spiritualy dead or fake. There's even not much aggression in it, not to mention culture-creating power they wish they have. With concentration on quantity, mindless postmodernistic quatations from European culture and weak, stupid or boring albums they're sending wrong signals and only prove that they fell prey to modernity. However, hatred and intolerance should remain in BM, so it's wise  to listen to (besides albums by bands mentioned above by Conservationist) Veles's Night on the Bare Mountain, both Infernum's albums and at least first from Legion of Doom.

[indjaseemun]

I'm surprised this guy likes Skrewdriver. I listened to this band and most songs are bad, but they've got some nice ones, that I don't know why, are simple but good. And I'm not even white.

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Bad in the sense that they are simple, typical normal songs, not that they suck

[Svmmoned]

I'm surprised this guy likes Skrewdriver. I listened to this band and most songs are bad, but they've got some nice ones, that I don't know why, are simple but good. And I'm not even white.

I think that he "likes" Screwdriver because guy actually created something which defined itself not merely by deconstruction or antithesis (we already "grounded zero" everything, but we have nothing worthy to fill the void). Very deliberate move back in '80s, which allowed him to escape from typical negativity through promotion of values. He build something for his people to carry on and distanced his output from simple hate and intolerance. While they are important, they shouldn't be sole unifying factor, because they could't be a substitute for a culture. Aesthetically I can't stand Screwdriver, but it's really easy to feel its call.

[Conservationist]

I'm surprised this guy likes Skrewdriver. I listened to this band and most songs are bad, but they've got some nice ones, that I don't know why, are simple but good.

I don't personally listen to them, but they're about on a quality level with The Ramones, The Sex PIstols or Iggy Pop and the Stooges. Most far right music (like most leftist grindcore, crust and punk, actually) is on a quality level of a dog farting into a salad shooter. The point I was trying to make is that the overwhelming majority of far right music never makes it even close to a basic level of quality.

Veles's Night on the Bare Mountain, both Infernum's albums and at least first from Legion of Doom.

Those are excellent works and omissions on my part. Throw in Infester for kicks, and first album Incantation since half of those guys were Nazis.

[Humanicide]

Pretty much all decent N5BM has been mentioned here. I do enjoy some early Nokturnal Mortem as well, but the genre is largely bereft of any quality. Their Fuhrer would be displeased.

[Dylar]

And that summarizes it nicely. Outside of Graveland, Burzum, Darkthrone, Absurd and a few others (Skrewdriver), far-right music has been a holocaust of musicality for the last 50 years.

GIGO is definitely in play here.  Far-Right politics have been garbage essentially from the moment that Hitler, Goebbels and Goering figured out that garden variety militarism was just as easy to sell to a gullible public as National Socialism had been (and far less work to implement, to boot), so why should we expect artistic vision from a movement that never produced anything in practice beyond unhinged (and unhindered) sociopathy and soulless bureaucracy on a grand scale, even before devolving into cartoon vengeance for bald mongoloids?

[scourge]

There's even not much aggression in it, not to mention culture-creating power they wish they have.

Culture building is key. Black Sabbath accomplished more creating, and thus displacing that which doesn't fit, than all of the marginalized NS metal out there.

[Sammaellofi]

The point I was trying to make is that the overwhelming majority of far right music never makes it even close to a basic level of quality.

This is so true that I can not even believe how few exceptions there are.  You'd thing one batch would at least be able to pull it together enough to look at least average, but it just doesn't happen.


Burzum is not about politics, even if the man is.  We can not honestly say Darkthrone is a political band  either, or at least politics is not what caused them to make music.  Graveland is some kind of miracle that I will never understand (but will always enjoy).


Politics are dead.  They ruin art when they are brought into the picture.  The reason political bands will never make it, is that they fail to see what art is about, because thier politics make them think that fixing external problems will solve internal ones, therefore there art is always empty and just a vehicle for propaganda.  Left-wing artists are the same way, and the more out-spoken they are about politics, the less their music resembles music.

[Conservationist]

We can not honestly say Darkthrone is a political band  either, or at least politics is not what caused them to make music. 

Leapin' into life here: politics is a demographic extension of philosophy's real world applications. If you believe something politically, it has a root in your philosophy. Thus the ancestor of politics inspires every band, and politics inspires quite a few. What's different is that the good bands are talking about the ideas themselves, not just dropping the symbol out there and saying "support this or you're a pussy."

[Sammaellofi]

Over the years, I see a bigger gap between politics and philosophy.  It ususally depends on the person.  When someone is talking philosophy they are usually looking for meaning or trying to create a positive meaning for themselves that they wish to share.  When people talk about politics, they are usually just want to be in charge of what people do and the politivs they pick to represent are just a result of their experience.  I say this seemingly pointless idea in relation to music, because I notice the same things with bands.

But in Darkthrone's case I will add that bands who use politcs solely for shock value, strangely enough end up being better than the bands who seriously believe in their political dogma.


Maybe I missed your point, and if I did, please explain it to me, but I see no connection between philosophy and politics, other than a made up one.

[xhsbx]

And that summarizes it nicely. Outside of Graveland, Burzum, Darkthrone, Absurd and a few others (Skrewdriver), far-right music has been a holocaust of musicality for the last 50 years.

Ok that may be your personel taste, but seriously, Absurd is so fucking bad music, same with Screwdriver. There is in now way a really good song from Absurd, they are bad as fuck musicians. And why the fuck do you say that Darkthrone is right wing music?! Just because they called their music Norwegian Aryan Black Metal more than a decade ago?! They had never any political lyrics, or knowledge, or propaganda in their music. Even Burzum had no political lyrics, even if he is right wing minded.

I think all right wing music is only crap, musicwise.

[Cargést]

I think all right wing music is only crap, musicwise.

What a coincidence - I think all left-wing music is only crap, "musicwise".

[indjaseemun]

And that summarizes it nicely. Outside of Graveland, Burzum, Darkthrone, Absurd and a few others (Skrewdriver), far-right music has been a holocaust of musicality for the last 50 years.

Ok that may be your personel taste, but seriously, Absurd is so fucking bad music, same with Screwdriver. There is in now way a really good song from Absurd, they are bad as fuck musicians.

I first listened to absurd years ago, through ANUS. I liked it at the time. I'm not so much into metal as many here, but I was even less when I discovered them, but the simple songs grew on me. I especially liked Gates of Heaven. It's a good one.

Correcting, I'm very much into metal, I just find it hard to enjoy most of the times.

[xhsbx]

I think all right wing music is only crap, musicwise.

What a coincidence - I think all left-wing music is only crap, "musicwise".

Ok, its your choice, i couldnt care less...but seriously i know alot really great "left wing music", and nothing really amazing from the right wing, thats it!
In fact just in our time the right wing tries to get into most more "left winged" subcultures and copies it. Just look into hardcore, punk, grindcore, straight edge...
Maybe most right wing people are more fascinated by these subcultures than you are?!