New Amerika.org article? You tell me!

[Athanasius contra mundum]

This article provides an example of how people find it important to find words that sound nice in their head to describe and justify whatever actions they deem worthy of pursuing, and how angry they get when other people don't think those words sound nice:

http://www.corrupt.org/news/selfrealization_is_selfjustification#comment-7592

If you read the comment section, you'll notice that someone started a flame-war over the topic not fitting into his club-house. Now, I'm all for club-house ideologies. Hear me out! They create error by placing a greater focus on their dogma than reality, and thus do a wonderful job of separating the wheat from the chaff. Another thing they do is provide an excellent target for mockery, and mockery is fun because it speeds along the process of cognitive dissonance and sometimes results in pure awesome like zone of the self-enders (my video-game parody of suicide). I decided to mock this ongoing great war of us vs. them with a ripping commentary on why duality is freaking awesome to transcend, be a part of, laugh at, and love.

Here are the sermons of the great individualists, who take no shit and do whatever the fuck they want.

I. I've got roughly 50 years left. I'm not going to benefit, enjoy nor reap the benefits of future generations so I have no vested interested in their well being. All I have is my own carnal desires at this very moment. And no amount of shaming language calling me outgrown immature baby is going to change that fact. There is no reason not to be living only for my own benefit and amusement.

Yours came off as a rant by some wage-slave stuck in a shitty situation and pissed off at people who don't want to 'live' their lives for others benefit. I don't know if you intended it be so.

Now I have no trouble admitting I'm being extremely selfish and hedonistic but why on earth should I suffer so that some ungrateful obscure future generation would have it all so much more easier.

II. I'll take hedonistic bar-hopping travel and crappy job to job lifestyle over "being a productive member" of some joke "society" to pass on some goofy "traditions" to some little humans who will probably just grow up to the same sense of disillusionment that all of us realized when we learned that "society" and "traditions" are all a joke. Plus I'd nail all of those chicks at the same time while you suffer with a "wife" who you fall out of love with after a few years when your neural-chemistry changes and you're just hanging on "for the children" who don't even respect you or because you're too afraid you'll never bang anyone else. Sorry AB, but I liked your writing better before you were a born-again christian goofball.


III. I think there something personal here...
Are you lucky when picking up girls at a bar?
Have you ever traveled outside Sweden?
Are you stuck in a miserable career with no prospect to change it?
Have you been cheated by your girl recently?

Take a look at these 4 girls with cocktails: definitely good-looking, confident, entertaining. They are going to have fun and be shagged by the most "successful" (Alphas) guys around for their next 10 years until they settle down with some boring Beta "provider" type who has spent these 10 years doing some dull job in an office (well, he doesn't like it and doesn't what to do else, but he "builds the society" you know). Girls are going to explore their bodies while skipping a facade of marriage (and most of them will be unhappy at the end as in a marriage). It's great, that we don't have family-arranged forced marriages any more.

The so-called fulfillment through work was simply bollocks promoted by those in control of a capitalist society to keep the machine running. Workers not happy, they are slaves and have no options.

/// "Did they write a great novel?" //

No, because one needs to carry a baggage of real-life experiences to do that. Have ever read some early creation of your favorite writer? Young people are bad writers: delusional, naive, idealistic, etc.

IV. ... sorry alex but for most of history the vast majority of people lived crappy workaholic lives, you want to BLAME people for not wanting free time to just enjoy life and loaf around when they've been working (school) for 13 years straight by law in a shitty institution and then released into society (another shitty institution)? The whole reason people are money obsessed is because the want to RETIRE and get out of the fucking rat race, there is nothing noble about religion and business (which is just work). Work is necessary because we aren't intelligent enough to design robots that are as smart and smarter then humans, if we could all retire and have automated machines do the majority of the work for us we would, this is the whole theory behind robot manufacturing, dishwashers, clothes dryers, microwave ovens, fridges, etc, etc.... that is the whole point behind technological advancement!

Do we still use whip's and buggies because it is more enobling to pay someone who does "real work" over those robots in the car manufacturing plants?

I'll tell you this from my own life: My parents were both as you said - religious and owners of a small business, they are not happy nor fulfilled, they are just fodder for our workaholic society that technological + specialist society has created, a society of people permanently in debt and who by and large only exist to maintain the machine.

I think corrupt really needs to read this and take out the true observations on technologies effect on society:

Read this first
http://news.stanford.edu/news/2010/february1/unabomber-ethics-question-0...

Then this:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Industrial_Society_and_Its_Future


And here is the response of the great asshole, who thinks he is an antichrist badass simply because it makes him feel like a badass, and probably doesn't actually like any of the things he says he does. Oh, look! There he goes again justifying himself! And again! And again! Oh, when will it end?

"You've created a fairly nifty dichotomy, but it's only really useful for the constant bickering between those evil wage slaves and you enlightened individualists; both of whom I find laughable. I pursue what I find productive for the sake of the pursuit. When I seek to ascend the ranks of power and respect within the business world, it is a carnal pursuit. When I undergo physical and mental refinement in order to further detach myself from falling into the trap of thinking the world is redeemed through one aspect of it, it is a carnal pursuit. I find the same joy in mocking an outdated and failed institution like religion as I do supporting the wisdom and virtue of it, and yes, I find both the blasphemy and worship of that as intense carnal pursuits. I may decide that I am chaste, or I may decide to fuck sluts into submission to remind them of what their worth really is. When I decide to challenge myself to begin a family and pass my values and virtues of intensely seizing experience like you would draw the blood from the conquered with a blade, I am carnally pursuing the essence of what has made life an intense experience for myself. When I write a great novel, I am pursuing the carnal desire to challenge myself. All of these decisions I find beautiful and admirable, and all of these I define as carnal pursuits. I also think that their contraries, or people who enslave themselves to some sort of equation-style ideology like individualism or work are beautiful, as they create something to tear down, build up, burn down, rebuild, repeat. I like life that much to be content with the fact that these things happen again and again. Perhaps you don't. Tradition was created by older societies not to justify why they are morally superior; hell, look at the Greeks' outlook on sex! They were defined just for the sake of having something to test against the world. Maybe you don't define these things I've spoken of as fulfilling to the individual, but hey, I guess that's why so many people are so wild about subjectivity."

Good content for an article? I think so. I think it applies to the division between left and right, modern and traditional, good and evil, etc... But maybe I'm just full of shit. You tell me! If I get enough positive responses, you may see something like this up on Amerika.

ALL HAILS TO VICTORY!

[berzhas]

No, there is no need for a new article.

I have got few points for ye:

-  The promiscuous sex existed before 1960 (or 1910, i don't know which one is more evil for you) and is not a problem our society. That's human nature. Survive and replicate!! Indeed, the west has too many regulations on sex and marriage - it's a part of the democracy and reign of the meme-ish middle-classes. It's just too bad that some self-sufficient (like me) guys are allowed to have only one legal wife. This just goes against my instincts. I don't mind loving few women at the same time and i bet these women would be perfectly happy sharing a successful guy like me. A little piece of me is better than one Alex Birch, that's for sure.

- My guess: Alex Birth is an over-educated middle-class college brat comfortably sitting in a chair somewhere in Sweden. He can't get laid so he rants about the people who can (that's called a resentment/revenge, read Nietzsche). I bet his parents pay for his living and studies, the state pays for his gym and benefits. He didn't have a full-time job in his life. The shit like a church/charity/volunteer work doesn't count as a job because you are not paid for doing it (and your parents/state pay for your living expenses). He doesn't write about his girlfriends, i'm sure he doesn't have one.

You really hate those who learn how to fuck women's brain out and succeed at getting laid without joining some dull church club-house.

So, how can this guy talk about the "joys" of labour, business  and marriage? He is just too inexperienced to discuss such things and his knowledge comes from the books.

- Nietzsche would find this laughable. A misuse of the word nihilism, swithing the meme-ishness and heroism, the resentment and idealism around - that's what defines Corrupt.org and it's pathetic ideology presented as somewhat revolutionary. Good God, we have Christianity and Liberals for doing that.

Some of my posts get unpublished on Corrupt.org, i think that's because Alex admits my thoughts are just too bright to deny.

[Nimbostratus]

^ So stupid, ad hominish and resentful that deserves to be deleted or "unpublished", but anyhow...

-  The promiscuous sex existed before 1960 (or 1910, i don't know which one is more evil for you) and is not a problem our society. That's human nature. Survive and replicate!! Indeed, the west has too many regulations on sex and marriage - it's a part of the democracy and reign of the meme-ish middle-classes. It's just too bad that some self-sufficient (like me) guys are allowed to have only one legal wife. This just goes against my instincts. I don't mind loving few women at the same time and i bet these women would be perfectly happy sharing a successful guy like me. A little piece of me is better than one Alex Birch, that's for sure.

You sound like a moral guy when you ask for a polygamist contract. Do you really need that to impregnate one hundred women with your triumphant sperm?

It amuses me how hedonists justify promiscuity with darwinism and replication of genes.  Interested in having a lot of babies for the sake of spreading of genes in the dominance of the planet, or just wanna feel the trembles of ejaculation without any further consequence? Shouldn't use contraceptives then.

[berzhas]

And again, you take it to the extreme.
Since when having a sex life means having babies? I use condoms, sometimes two. Plus the lubricants.

[Nimbostratus]

Good content for an article? I think so. I think it applies to the division between left and right, modern and traditional, good and evil, etc... But maybe I'm just full of shit. You tell me! If I get enough positive responses, you may see something like this up on Amerika.

ALL HAILS TO VICTORY!

Go for it Erosion!  Work on it, you already know where to send it when finished.

I agree with you about the comments. Things like this are funny: "Being promiscuous is better because it gives you more pleasure in less time than traditional marriage."

These are the idiots who take things to the extreme: traditional marriage = boring.

Sure, compromise-free sexuality (which includes not just genitals but also erotism) is funny. But love is more complex, so complex that demands years of mutual knowing between partners, and the best is that it comes in addition (not in negation of) to sexuality and in addition to the enchant of dopamine in the brain.

Wow! I think that traditional relationships give more pleasure at the end.

[AnHero]

And again, you take it to the extreme.
Since when having a sex life means having babies? I use condoms, sometimes two. Plus the lubricants.

Hmm. But wasn't your justification for promiscuity being "Survive and replicate!" The only reason you have for indulging an unconstructive compulsion is that it's there.

Some of my posts get unpublished on Corrupt.org, i think that's because Alex admits my thoughts are just too bright to deny.

Your rationale is limited to "I fell like it, so why not?" The most juvenile way of thinking, or unthinking more accurately.

The "it's natural" argument is interesting because our desire for pleasure is completely natural and a product of evolution (particularly the desire to copulate), but so is the human mind, which gives us the ability to suppress or redirect our impulses.

And what is natural about copulating without the intent to reproduce? It's actually very unnatural in that it defeats the purpose of the act. Not that I take an utterly puritan stance myself, just thinking out loud here, as I encounter this mindset on a daily basis.

Good content for an article? I think so. I think it applies to the division between left and right, modern and traditional, good and evil, etc... But maybe I'm just full of shit. You tell me! If I get enough positive responses, you may see something like this up on Amerika.

ALL HAILS TO VICTORY!

Sure, the precedent has already been set when Corrupt had an article with several comments by a poster named Highduke and it humiliated him.

By the way, it was hard to tell which parts of the OP were the responses or what was being responded to. I suggest better formatting.

[Athanasius contra mundum]

No, there is no need for a new article.

I have got few points for ye:

-  The promiscuous sex existed before 1960 (or 1910, i don't know which one is more evil for you) and is not a problem our society. That's human nature. Survive and replicate!! Indeed, the west has too many regulations on sex and marriage - it's a part of the democracy and reign of the meme-ish middle-classes. It's just too bad that some self-sufficient (like me) guys are allowed to have only one legal wife. This just goes against my instincts. I don't mind loving few women at the same time and i bet these women would be perfectly happy sharing a successful guy like me. A little piece of me is better than one Alex Birch, that's for sure.

- My guess: Alex Birth is an over-educated middle-class college brat comfortably sitting in a chair somewhere in Sweden. He can't get laid so he rants about the people who can (that's called a resentment/revenge, read Nietzsche). I bet his parents pay for his living and studies, the state pays for his gym and benefits. He didn't have a full-time job in his life. The shit like a church/charity/volunteer work doesn't count as a job because you are not paid for doing it (and your parents/state pay for your living expenses). He doesn't write about his girlfriends, i'm sure he doesn't have one.

You really hate those who learn how to fuck women's brain out and succeed at getting laid without joining some dull church club-house.

So, how can this guy talk about the "joys" of labour, business  and marriage? He is just too inexperienced to discuss such things and his knowledge comes from the books.

- Nietzsche would find this laughable. A misuse of the word nihilism, swithing the meme-ishness and heroism, the resentment and idealism around - that's what defines Corrupt.org and it's pathetic ideology presented as somewhat revolutionary. Good God, we have Christianity and Liberals for doing that.

Some of my posts get unpublished on Corrupt.org, i think that's because Alex admits my thoughts are just too bright to deny.

You didn't respond to the idea I had posted at all, you just ranted on about how much you hated Alex Birch. I'm sensing a bit of sexual tension here.

[lolmetal]

I read the article, but not the post.

I think most women who refer to 'not getting pregnant' don't want to end up being a single mom, having the burden of a child rob them of any opportunities they might have had.  You might be reading into that one a bit.  People are going to have different lifestyles.  As long as a person isn't interfering with your life, why do you need to judge what they are doing with theirs?  They may find just "having fun" to be the best option that they chose.  As far as things like writing a great novel, most people aren't destined to write Thus Spoke Zarathustra.  Instead they will probably end up just having blogs about their babies and the front lawn like the rest of us.  Marriage isn't something to rush into, and there are plenty of people (half of them actually) who rush into marriage and find out that they don't have the emotional maturity to have a stable marriage.

As much as ANUS and affiliated sites manage to contradict what I was expecting, endorsing church, of all things, is really the last straw.  Last I checked, they were associated with Christianity and Jesus Christ.

http://www.anus.com/altar/

[istaros]

The church conquered all of Europe. Satanists learned how to apply make-up

[Nimbostratus]

I read the article, but not the post.

I think most women who refer to 'not getting pregnant' don't want to end up being a single mom, having the burden of a child rob them of any opportunities they might have had.  You might be reading into that one a bit.  People are going to have different lifestyles.  As long as a person isn't interfering with your life, why do you need to judge what they are doing with theirs?  They may find just "having fun" to be the best option that they chose.  As far as things like writing a great novel, most people aren't destined to write Thus Spoke Zarathustra.  Instead they will probably end up just having blogs about their babies and the front lawn like the rest of us.  Marriage isn't something to rush into, and there are plenty of people (half of them actually) who rush into marriage and find out that they don't have the emotional maturity to have a stable marriage.

Just because I can't write a Thus Spoke Zarathustra should I chill out and "have fun"? Just because I can't compose as Beethoven I must compose like Justin Timberlake? Life is more colorful than that, and trying to justify the existence of such "lifestyles" just because there is people that can just live that way is ten thousand times much more "christian" than any appraisal of christianity in this ANUS Network.

I don't want to know what  these people do with their night lives, really, I don't want to know what objects people get into their asses as long they do not reproduce themselves. And that's the problem: I know what they do with their night lives, and not just that, they make me know how morally superior they are, in mass media, academics and politics.

As much as ANUS and affiliated sites manage to contradict what I was expecting, endorsing church, of all things, is really the last straw.  Last I checked, they were associated with Christianity and Jesus Christ.

http://www.anus.com/altar/

A contradiction certainly. I'd like to see that altar removed, since the site already surpassed that (although some people here listens to Havohej from time to time). Also it puts you into the hate directory, which is not a good thing for the purposes of the site, but it is funny.

[Stars Down To Earth]

There's so much black and white thinking here.

I have to ask, having sex with a million women sounds fun and all, but does it have any value? Pop music is extremely easy to listen to and very catchy, but does that make it worth while? I think the consensus here would be that happiness and pleasure aren't the highest principles, instead we can base quality on both the process of being challenged and then overcoming.

Doing something because it's "natural" is a load of shit for two reasons.

1. Our progression as a species is natural, stagnation based on some 4,000 year old+ idea of "natural"ness is artificial (although then stagnation is natural, and we end up in an infinite regress).
2. If we were "natural", morality and ethics wouldn't exist and we'd still be back in cave man times, primitive beings too busy flinging shit at each other and dying at the age of 40.

Stop using your shit postmodern "anything goes" attitude to excuse your personal laziness and lack of discipline.

[Athanasius contra mundum]

There's so much black and white thinking here.

I have to ask, having sex with a million women sounds fun and all, but does it have any value? Pop music is extremely easy to listen to and very catchy, but does that make it worth while? I think the consensus here would be that happiness and pleasure aren't the highest principles, instead we can base quality on both the process of being challenged and then overcoming.

Doing something because it's "natural" is a load of shit for two reasons.

1. Our progression as a species is natural, stagnation based on some 4,000 year old+ idea of "natural"ness is artificial (although then stagnation is natural, and we end up in an infinite regress).
2. If we were "natural", morality and ethics wouldn't exist and we'd still be back in cave man times, primitive beings too busy flinging shit at each other and dying at the age of 40.

Stop using your shit postmodern "anything goes" attitude to excuse your personal laziness and lack of discipline.

Um, I'd hate to make this personal, but did you read my post? I didn't make any of the points you attacked in your response here. Maybe you were poking fun at those funny little individualists I was also poking fun at?

[berzhas]

Shagging 1000 great-looking chicks has no value in the end, but the process could be somewhat important here. First you have to pick them up. Learning the mastery of playing with women's emotions [seduction] and fucking her brains out. I don't need to justify it, i see a life as an adventure. Note that i talk about the desirable, "quality" and [relatively] picky women, not some fat low self-esteem self-help junkies (since their are needy, clingy, have no standarts and everyone can jump into a bed with them) or complete whores. The majority of people are so afraid to go through life alone and get bored immediately when left alone, so they cling to anything and share their existential misery together.
 
I was reading the Corrupt.org articles since the beginning of it, it's ideals went through a couple of changes but now it has turned out into something like the following:

First you say that nothing has an absolute value unless one assigns a some value to it [that's nihilism]. Then you use the art, family and work as a meaning for your [meaningless, doh] existence. And finally, someone comes up with other goals (or no goals) in life. You get angry, call us childish and block out posts, but why? Because nobody cares about your petty ideals except yourself and few constant readers around the globe. I bet you all are fame-and-status-obsessed with little chances to gain it outside this forum and blog.

This is mostly dedicated to Alex to increase a sexual tension between us.
You are a spoiled member of Swedish middle-class and definitely not a competent person to write articles about the greatness war, hard-work and family just because you're not going to experience and have not experienced any of these [same applies to your family members]. Also you own a very naive/idealized version of history.  Now go to a state-funded gym, poseur!

[Conservationist]

There's so much black and white thinking here.

This thread makes my head hurt.

First, the church. If a transcendental idealist calls himself a Christian or a Hindu, what matters? Only that he or she is a transcendental idealist. That trumps the religious designation. All religions are somewhat of a hodge-podge anyway, accruing over time from different influences integrated into one. Go in with a guiding principle.

Second, CORRUPT and Alex BIrch. If we're going to criticize these, we need something free of ad hominem. I don't care about Alex BIrch's personal situation; how do his ideas stack up?

Finally, the question of extremism for extremism's sake. I advocate a fair amount of extreme ideas here -- including that we'd be happier if all people under 120 IQ mysteriously died -- but I think that for the time being, in the West, the thing to do is gradually expand the comfort zone of politics toward the right. Jumping straight toward extremism is a problem.

Even further, I think we need not descend into bigotry. Opposition to diversity does not mean one is a bigot. Nor should the two be linked. We can accept other races and religions, but say, "no diversity here, please -- diversity wrecks us." Your opposition will try to paraphrase that as you saying "this other group wrecks us." But really, the culprit is diversity.

Finally, I think we should look toward the next generation of writers on Amerika.org, who are I think going to exceed all expectations from all sides.

[lolmetal]

It seems Corrupt has given a reasonable and moderate stance on sex in the past:

Protestants stress marriage while promoting condom use, meaning you might as well have fun if you're going to do it more often. Smart Protestants sometimes skip the rubber and decide to have a family.

http://www.corrupt.org/news/why_i_am_a_protestant_or_why_i_am_not_a_catholic
Why not just leave it at that?


I suspected Christianity had gained a foothold around here.  Due to the change in leadership this place has really changed over the years.  Whatever happened to the days of the metal FAQ which had tips for smoking weed, or Prozak smoking out of an iBong?  Now most people are against that.  Christianity is next.  Soon after classical music will be the only acceptable music and metal will be degraded.  The site will undergo a complete reaction formation, much like Adam Yahiye Gadahn.

It is difficult to restrain the ad homenim attacks when Corrupt is partially a personal blog.  The site is basically trollbait, too.

You've probably pissed off more nerds than any other blogger. How come?

Losers of all kinds should instead work on the weaknesses which hold them back and keep them from making good use of whatever strengths they have. Nerds just happen to be a conveniently available example because this is the Internet and it's full of them. Back when I first started writing for Corrupt, a lot of metalheads used to read the site, so I'd annoy them instead of nerds.

Also:

Which are your three favorite musical artists, and why?

BrokeNCYDE. Music doesn't get any more fun than these guys, plus they attract amazingly intense hate. That appeals to the attention whore in me.

http://www.corrupt.org/news/martin_regnen_the_man_the_artist_the_asshole


All of the discussion on religion does not deal with transcendentalism, but rather quite the opposite, the church as a social institution.
http://www.corrupt.org/news/why_a_church_is_needed

...wearing a mask, hiding behind convention...man wishes to exist socially and with the herd...

I mean there are posts about yard work.

Going back to the main topic, I don't even have a problem with raising kids and a family, it's something most people want to do, including myself.  But it's useless to judge people who aren't willing or even prepared to do so at the point in their lives they are in now.  Again when women say they don't want to get pregnant, it's because they don't want to have children out of wedlock.