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Metalheads as multiculture

Re: Metalheads as multiculture
June 28, 2006, 05:28:12 PM
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Though now I've noticed the discussion seems more on some isolated community to live out in some woods, stock pilling arms for "the great coming day" type of ideal.


No one suggested that the community would be *waiting* for anything, especially a "great coming day." I don't think that type of childish optimism would be in line with the beliefs of any thinking person at all, let alone a nihilist (Yay).

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No other music sub culture (save the Neo-Nazi militia community) is divided itself that strongly from the rest of society.


The type of people involved would be linked by more than music - values, customs, probably religion (lack thereof), for instance, the foundations of culture - so it would be more than a musical subculture separating itself from society.

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So I don't see the point in saying how "intelligent Metal-heads" need a voice if your going for this seperationist view. If not, then again, Germany or Sweden. Take your pick.

Germany and Sweden are just places where metal music is entrenched in pop culture. But as 0113581321345589 said, there's more to it than just being a metalhead. And I don't exactly see what you mean by saying that "intelligent metalheads" don't need a voice...

And to Charles - not really an apt comparison. Black  communities would be divided by race, a factor which absolutely does not guarantee similar worldviews or culture. They wouldn't have worked at all. I can see such a community being founded quite easily - populated is a little harder, haha. It could be founded just by some determined idealist with financial means buying a plot of land anywhere, preferably in a somewhat isolated place with room for expansion, and then inviting like-minded others to build and live there.  The responsibility for deciding how the community (not society) would function would belong to the founding and continuing members of that community. See also: Deep Springs.
Some problems would be... well, it seems like a lot of people here endorse things like legalizing murder and drug use, and I'm sure state governments wouldn't exactly approve of those.
Me? I'm a metal pansy. It's kind of like being a steel magnolia, except we die when we get the shit stomped out of us by real metal fans, instead of just dying in childbirth like that one actress.

Re: Metalheads as multiculture
June 28, 2006, 06:44:32 PM
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The responsibility for deciding how the community (not society) would function would belong to the founding and continuing members of that community. See also: Deep Springs.
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This college is funded by alumni and a few organizations, so they're perhaps not the best example. Also, their library has Soviet posters lining the ends of the bookcases.,,

However, one could very easily get a feel for what comprises a self-sufficient lifestyle by visiting this valuable website: http://www.wwoofusa.org/

There are also WWOOF locations throughout the globe; international friends do not be disheartened!

However, metal would eventually in itself be eliminated from such a society (or never really introduced into it) . I plan on living with little or no electricity, yet I do not intend on preventing my children from exploring the realm of music.

Re: Metalheads as multiculture
June 28, 2006, 06:59:27 PM
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It would need to be made clear how such a society would work, or even be founded, and where it would be.


I don't think you are asking the right questions. The step is to remove doubt. This may require leaving *gasp* the computer.

The first questoin is an easy one to answer considering the practicality and legality of what can be achieved in the current world. So I'll leave you to ponder that.

'Where would it be' is the only forseeable concern. I don't see that as a problem per se. Again it is a good idea to think practically and about achieving quality - a core group of people is all that is needed to start.

Re: Metalheads as multiculture
June 28, 2006, 07:01:04 PM
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However, one could very easily get a feel for what comprises a self-sufficient lifestyle by visiting this valuable website: http://www.wwoofusa.org/

There are also WWOOF locations throughout the globe; international friends do not be disheartened!


I only heard about this recently and find it an interesting idea. Admittedly I'm sceptical but in principle I can see how it could be a good idea.

Re: Metalheads as multiculture
June 30, 2006, 08:23:24 PM
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The type of people involved would be linked by more than music - values, customs, probably religion (lack thereof), for instance, the foundations of culture - so it would be more than a musical subculture separating itself from society.


Metal is almost a "philosophical attitude" more than anything else -- accept the negative, go through nihilism, and through it, discover the powerful. Will to power (Nietzsche) or simply "Will" (Schop.), it's a dramatic contrast to the binary categorical filter of Judeo-Christian, utilitarian, modernist material idealism.


Re: Metalheads as multiculture
July 01, 2006, 12:53:36 AM
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Some problems would be... well, it seems like a lot of people here endorse things like legalizing murder and drug use, and I'm sure state governments wouldn't exactly approve of those.


Within 3 generations in the US, personal income taxes, desegregation and gay unions had come about with state approval. These are all radical and extremist policies, from a tradional middle America view, that took place virtually overnight.
”The Revolution ends by devouring its own children” – Jacques Mallet du Pan, 1793

Re: Metalheads as multiculture
July 03, 2006, 01:15:42 AM
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Within 3 generations in the US, personal income taxes, desegregation and gay unions had come about with state approval. These are all radical and extremist policies, from a tradional middle America view, that took place virtually overnight.


Even more, with a radical change in culture -- sexual revolution, multiracialism, superpower status -- America itself has changed and with it the world.

Since local culture is under assault, microcultures and subcultures are springing up all over. One becomes part by acting according to that culture's values and finding others with whom to socialize.

I would like to see a Hessian colony somewhere in North America within five years. I think it's not only possible, but probable, as we all get lonelier as our ur-culture disintegrates.

HESSIANS UNITE

Re: Metalheads as multiculture
July 03, 2006, 11:12:19 AM
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I would like to see a Hessian colony somewhere in North America within five years. I think it's not only possible, but probable, as we all get lonelier as our ur-culture disintegrates.

HESSIANS UNITE


North American Hessian Community

I was surprised at the amount of Hessian types in Texas (ie more than 2). My first suggestion would be establish something there. The least favourable aspect is the heat.

I see two barriers that need to be overcome:

1) Jobs
- This tops the list. Can't do anything without money. Anyone that has 'established' themselves on a career path may find it harder to move from (say) New York to Texas. I'd imagine it would be easier for those yet to start a serious career.


2) Place to live
- I see this as an easier one to solve. Ideally, get a big plot of land and use any existing buildings to house those coming into the community.

The same outcome will not be achieved by many people merely living in the same city.


The above list may change as the community evolves. Nor do you need to be a professor in cryptography in order to solve them. Fortunately, there is already the organization in place to help solve this and there are quite a few Hessians within the US.


Europeans emmitgrating to the USA

This would not be an easy task. To get a visa, one would need to have secured a job or a college/ university position.
It is possible to get a short term visa in order to work in the US (eg. as part of a gap year). But I doubt that they will issue a visa indefinitely if you are working in a retail store.

This is when it would perhaps be easier to be a 'professional'.

Flights are actually quite cheap, one way. It isn't much of a cost if you are actually moving there.


Europeans moving around Europe

Europeans that wish to visit another EU country can do so easily, without paperwork.

Emmigrating from one country to another shouldn't be too difficult neither, if the massive influx of Czechs and Poles into the UK is a standard of measurement.

Flights around Europe are very cheap. With all the budget airlines that we have I can't see the cost of a flight (within) Europe being more than £100, one way.
(http://www.xe.com - exchange rates)


The main problem for Europe is the lack of Hessians. Or at least, the lack of organization. I can't think of a European equivalent to ANUS.

5 years is a good goal for a US based Hessian community. Where as it may be closer to 7 - 10 years before we see anything noteworthy in Europe.

That said, whenever the Tribes project builds momentum we might just see something sooner than expected:
National Tribes

Re: Metalheads as multiculture
July 07, 2006, 02:31:00 PM
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1) Jobs
- This tops the list. Can't do anything without money. Anyone that has 'established' themselves on a career path may find it harder to move from (say) New York to Texas. I'd imagine it would be easier for those yet to start a serious career.


My question: Would community members seek employment in nearby cities? If so, establishing a community near Austin (not IN Austin, just near enough for commuting to be viable) may be the best bet. Although in places you can pretty much taste the liberalism, the ease of finding employment  that didn't require a mainstream look would probably be enhanced.
Me? I'm a metal pansy. It's kind of like being a steel magnolia, except we die when we get the shit stomped out of us by real metal fans, instead of just dying in childbirth like that one actress.

Re: Metalheads as multiculture
July 07, 2006, 06:08:57 PM
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My question: Would community members seek employment in nearby cities? If so, establishing a community near Austin (not IN Austin, just near enough for commuting to be viable) may be the best bet. Although in places you can pretty much taste the liberalism, the ease of finding employment  that didn't require a mainstream look would probably be enhanced.



Yeah pretty much. Near a city but not in a city. You will need to work and bank for as long as necessary. Ultimately, I suppose you want to be at the point where you don't have to work. Your outgoings are small enough because you grow your own fruit/veg and use solar etc.

That's the goal. If you need to take a corporate job in order to get money then unfortunately you might have to do that for a while.

Re: Metalheads as multiculture
July 09, 2006, 02:04:01 PM
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My question: Would community members seek employment in nearby cities? If so, establishing a community near Austin (not IN Austin, just near enough for commuting to be viable) may be the best bet. Although in places you can pretty much taste the liberalism, the ease of finding employment  that didn't require a mainstream look would probably be enhanced.


Good point. And, unlike California, land is affordable.

We would either have to be near a place where jobs existed, or start up a profitable business that could hire 5-50 people.



Re: Metalheads as multiculture
July 10, 2006, 09:26:40 AM
Wouldn't the situational homosexuality created by Hessians isolating themselves in a secluded community cause problems? I mean, if its a metal-only community, what of the women? There are certainly women who enjoy metal, I mean, there's a few on this board, but a cursory glance at any place where Hessians gather will show an overwhelmingly male prescence.

Perhaps incentives for females to move in may be needed? Subsidized living expenses for women? Something less expensive?

Re: Metalheads as multiculture
July 10, 2006, 10:04:19 AM
Perhaps the official beer of death metal, and the official mead of black metal could be produced by the community? That would require everything from farming, to factory work, brewing, to designing of labels, accounting, etc...A wide range of people with a wide range of skills would be required. Tattoo artists are common in metal, perhaps one would relocate? A pub, and a place where music could be played, would probably be called for of course. Farm animals could be raised, and sold locally to individuals, or a butcher, etc. Ancient weaponry could be made and sold to the rest of the world. All you need to do is find Hessians with the necessary skills to make a community with an inexpensive cost of living (due to local production of food, and hopefully a non-competitive, cooperative attitude toward constructing houses and stuff, thus keeping the cost of living down to non-sodomizing levels).

You know, this almost sounds like it would work.

Re: Metalheads as multiculture
July 10, 2006, 10:05:00 AM
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Wouldn't the situational homosexuality created by Hessians isolating themselves in a secluded community cause problems? I mean, if its a metal-only community, what of the women? There are certainly women who enjoy metal, I mean, there's a few on this board, but a cursory glance at any place where Hessians gather will show an overwhelmingly male prescence.

Perhaps incentives for females to move in may be needed? Subsidized living expenses for women? Something less expensive?


On the surface this seems like a fair point, but I'm not found of the terminology: 'metal-only'.
The emphasis is on attracting smart metal fans, it seems reasonable to allow partners of metal fans whom are not metal fans themself.

In general, there are more males that like metal: true. However, only a small fraction are actually smart. Whilst there is a smaller fraction of females fans on the whole they tend to be less moronic, although many of them are close to the achetype of a follower --> they like metal as their boyfriend does. I'm not worried but I do understand the concern.  

I doubt there will be a hard and fast rule of "no non-metal fans". Provided that anyone whom moves in has a clue about what we are doing. They don't like metal but they like classical - great I won't complain. Britney fans need not apply.