Greetings all. I happened upon a discussion on facebook (shitty site, I know) which contained some interesting quotations supposedly uttered by some of the pivotal creators of the USA. Here is the text in its entirety.
""america is a christian nation. you can just go to our founding fathers' documents" - sarah palin
hm. if i was as dumb as a typical fox news watcher i might believe that. but lets see what those founding fathers said.
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise"
"The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries."
- james madison
hm. maybe he's the minority. lets keep looking.
"As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?"
"God is an essence that we know nothing of. Until this awful blasphemy is got rid of, there will never be any liberal science in the world."
"This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it."
- John Adams
surely something's wrong here. lets keep looking.
"Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause. Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by the difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be depreciated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society."
"Lighthouses are more helpful than churches."
"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason."
- Ben franklin
can't get more clearer than thomas jefferson.
"On the dogmas of religion, as distinguished from moral principles, all mankind, from the beginning of the world to this day, have been quarreling, fighting, burning and torturing one another, for abstractions unintelligible to themselves and to all others, and absolutely beyond the comprehension of the human mind."
"It is not to be understood that I am with him (Jesus Christ) in all his doctrines. I am a Materialist; he takes the side of Spiritualism, he preaches the efficacy of repentance toward forgiveness of sin; I require a counterpoise of good works to redeem it."
"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."
"Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the Common Law."
- Thomas Jefferson
"Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst."
"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish Church, by the Roman Church, by the Greek Church, by the Turkish Church, by the Protestant Church, nor by any Church that I know of. My own mind is my own Church. Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all."
- Tomas Paine"
What are everyone's thoughts? Are any of these real? I know for a fact Washington and Hamilton didn't go to church regularly (if at all) but I've never heard of most of these quotations. If they are true, then it's certainly a kick in the nuts of the religious "right" Republican party (when in reality they're as moronic as the Democrats). Any feedback is much appreciated.