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Conservatism: it may not exist

Conservatism: it may not exist
July 09, 2010, 12:34:05 PM
Concerning lolmetal's assertion that conservatives have been against metal due to events in American in the 1980s, I have this to say.

First of all, the people labeled "conservatives" in this case are not only about the worst possible representation of that label, they don't stand for all conservatives.

Secondly, liberals and conservatives in modern American politics (Democrat/Republican) are so far removed from the original meaning of their stances its not even funny. Shame on you, I would've thought someone such as yourself would be able to recognize this. This is among the most common fallacies concerning American politics. Republicans are pussified humanists and are basically Democrats with more fag-hating and Christ loving.

You try asking metal bands their political/social views. I can guarantee a good amount of them will be conservatives. I've met plenty of fans and a few musicians who attest to that.
No.

Having reviewed the thread, baby Jesus is most definitely weeping at this point.

Re: The Decline and Fall of the ANUS Empire
July 10, 2010, 02:18:02 AM
Concerning lolmetal's assertion that conservatives have been against metal due to events in American in the 1980s, I have this to say.

First of all, the people labeled "conservatives" in this case are not only about the worst possible representation of that label, they don't stand for all conservatives.

Secondly, liberals and conservatives in modern American politics (Democrat/Republican) are so far removed from the original meaning of their stances its not even funny. Shame on you, I would've thought someone such as yourself would be able to recognize this. This is among the most common fallacies concerning American politics. Republicans are pussified humanists and are basically Democrats with more fag-hating and Christ loving.

You try asking metal bands their political/social views. I can guarantee a good amount of them will be conservatives. I've met plenty of fans and a few musicians who attest to that.
The Republican party is liberal conservative, the Democrats are social liberal, which is classical liberalism--for the most part--injected with Marxist rhetoric, but capitalist--not socialist. I fail to see how far they drifted from their original stances, as--like you said--they're pretty much the same, except for the Republican's rhetoric of longing for the past (which is pretty dead these days but was popular in the 80s) and jingoism.

Re: The Decline and Fall of the ANUS Empire
July 10, 2010, 03:29:35 AM
I guess I exaggerated a bit when I said "very far". But the points you raised highlight that both Republicans and Democrats are not truly conservative nor liberal respectively.
No.

Having reviewed the thread, baby Jesus is most definitely weeping at this point.

Re: The Decline and Fall of the ANUS Empire
July 10, 2010, 04:34:56 AM
Classical "conservatism" has been a dead letter for the better part of a century.  In the Americas, it died at Appomattox.  In Europe, at places like the Somme, Verdun and Amiens.  The final nails were hammered in at Hirsoshima and Nagasaki, although by that point, it had degenerated into militarism, pure and simple, which is conservatism in its lowest common denominator form.

Re: Conservatism: it may not exist
August 15, 2010, 04:24:44 AM
Modern conservatism, in the United States and Europe, is confused and distorted. Under the influence of representative democracy and with the transformation of the U.S. and Europe into mass democracies from World War I, conservatism was transformed from an anti-egalitarian, aristocratic, anti-statist ideological force into a movement of culturally conservative statists: the right wing of the socialists and social democrats.
Most self-proclaimed contemporary conservatives are concerned, as they should be, about the decay of families, divorce, illegitimacy, loss of authority, multiculturalism, social disintegration, sexual libertinism, and crime. All of these phenomena they regard as anomalies and deviations from the natural order, or what we might call normalcy.
However, most contemporary conservatives (at least most of the spokesmen of the conservative establishment) either do not recognize that their goal of restoring normalcy requires the most drastic, even revolutionary, antistatist social changes, or (if they know about this) they are engaged in betraying conservatism's cultural agenda from inside in order to promote an entirely different agenda.

***

Social education and social security provide an opening for the rebellious youth to escape parental authority (to get away with continuous misbehavior). Old conservatives knew that these policies would emancipate the individual from the discipline imposed by family and community life only to subject him instead to the direct and immediate control of the state.

Furthermore, they knew, or at least had a hunch, that this would lead to a systematic infantilization of society—a regression, emotionally and mentally, from adulthood to adolescence or childhood.

HHHoppe

I'm really blown away every day by the truth of especially last sentence.
Everything else but conservatism proves again and again to be retarded talk.
World War I as the End of Civilization.
Tolkien as a Libertarian.
Sammaellofi:So for now on, when someone asks you what good metal is, don't say Slayer, Darkthrone, Morbid Angel, but instead say Hell Awaits, Transilvanian Hunger and Blessed are the Sick.

Caffeine

Re: The Decline and Fall of the ANUS Empire
August 15, 2010, 06:12:17 AM
Concerning lolmetal's assertion that conservatives have been against metal due to events in American in the 1980s, I have this to say.

First of all, the people labeled "conservatives" in this case are not only about the worst possible representation of that label, they don't stand for all conservatives.

Secondly, liberals and conservatives in modern American politics (Democrat/Republican) are so far removed from the original meaning of their stances its not even funny. Shame on you, I would've thought someone such as yourself would be able to recognize this. This is among the most common fallacies concerning American politics. Republicans are pussified humanists and are basically Democrats with more fag-hating and Christ loving.

You try asking metal bands their political/social views. I can guarantee a good amount of them will be conservatives. I've met plenty of fans and a few musicians who attest to that.

The Republican party is liberal conservative, the Democrats are social liberal, which is classical liberalism--for the most part--injected with Marxist rhetoric, but capitalist--not socialist. I fail to see how far they drifted from their original stances, as--like you said--they're pretty much the same, except for the Republican's rhetoric of longing for the past (which is pretty dead these days but was popular in the 80s) and jingoism.

Agreed. and being in the US it's hard for me to identify with political stances & discussions.  I can't say I'm a liberal, moderate, conservative, or libertarian (though I agree with much of anarchism's philosophies).  We have two parties who represent a two-headed, illogical dragon.  Anyone else gets shrugged off, and humanism remains victorious...Not to mention every adult seems to want to recruit us teenagers into such idiocy so that we don't develop independent notions (conformity is most efficient when it's implemented early).

Re: Conservatism: it may not exist
August 16, 2010, 03:08:55 AM
"The consciously conservative man stands alone among manifests drunks, is alone awake amongst sleep-walkers who take their dreams for reality. From understanding and experience, he knows that man, with all his passion for novelty, has remained fundamentally the same, for good or ill; the fundamental questions in human life have always remained the same, the answers to them have always been known, and, to the extent that they can be expressed in words, have been handed down from one generation to the next. The consciously conservative man is concerned with this inheritance." -- Titus Burckhardt, "What is Conservatism?"
"Art remains in the artist and is the knowledge by which things are made. What is made according to the art is correct; what one makes as one likes may very well be awkward. We must not confuse taste with judgment, or loveliness with beauty, for as Augustine says, some people like deformities." -- A.K. Coomaraswamy

Re: Conservatism: it may not exist
August 16, 2010, 12:56:22 PM
@Caffeine: Did you misquote? I'm not in the US.

I agree with deadlite said though, just pointing out that's how their ideologies should be.

Caffeine

Re: Conservatism: it may not exist
August 16, 2010, 10:30:05 PM
@Caffeine: Did you misquote? I'm not in the US.

I agree with deadlite said though, just pointing out that's how their ideologies should be.

Yeah I accidentally added my post inside of the quotebox, I just noticed :/

EDIT: Fixed...