"explain to us what nu-core offers that we can't get anywhere else
I didn't want to emphasize this. Where are you getting this from? But since nu-core isn't a real genre, I feel that in its primordial stages metalcore represented a new direction for punk based music, which then quickly fell flat due to imitators and also-rans. Punk music also unfortunately has a high burn out rate."And what about things that in total are worse than anything their parts have to offer?"
Is it not possible to throw out all but the good parts? Your previous example, Marxism. I agree that Marxism is in general a load of baloney. But, what of "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"? That strikes me as something worth keeping around, as a sense of community and indeed a sort of justice arises when each has their own role, performs it, and takes only what they require. Even if the materialist view of history (bullshit), the whole 'workers rise up!' mentality (bullshit), and many other aspects of it are indeed flawed. One can incorporate the good ideas into other more healthy philosophies. Do you like your pie with just berries or would you favor a bit of cinnamon in there too (even if the cinnamon was a little stale)?"The nuclear war example is apt because there's not something to learn/take from everything. Only some things."
We will not agree here. There IS something to be learned from everything, even if it means learning what NOT to do. Nuclear war let us know that our technology could very well mean the death of our planet - that is a hard reality that humanity learned, no? "but you're also trying to evade the reality which is that to "take the good parts" from something, we need to keep it around."
We should keep it around long enough to learn what is good from it, if anything, then disregard it. Utility. There are things in this world that are not 'good' but are necessary. Metalcore is not one of those things, but who is to say the genre cannot develop in a direction which would be more conducive to higher quality composition - if higher quality composers were involved? For fuck's sake we have Birth A.D. on the site, and thrash is pretty much dead (due to a ton of copycat/lazy bands). Why are they here and not others? Consider that.
I haven't seen you address what a 'design of intelligence' is, as if it is intiuition. Could you elaborate?
Lastly,"I don't agree on the first album. It's a clear rip of two other albums"
I'd say you'd be better off listening to the other two albums. Let me guess - Altars of Madness
and Reign In Blood
? Can't think of any others.
Humanicide, nothing personal, but comparing the albums you mentioned, on any charitable application of inter-subjective musical standards (compositional depth, emotional depth, maturity) to Close To A World Below is worse than comparing The Black Album to Dark Side of the Moon (which KirK from Metallica has done, to his eternal stupidity)
You know, I DID say that: "I would favor Discordance Axis more than CTAWB, but I think that album is better than every other metalcore band I mentioned." Which included Rorschach. I think The Inalienable Dreamless
is better than Close To A World Below
from a personal taste standpoint. But beyond that the compositional qualities are on par with each other. DA expresses their ideas in short order which I think gives more immediate power to each track (though not so much immediacy that subtlety is forgotten) - whereas Immolation draws out their ideas to fit their mode of expression (in turn producing equally powerful and subtle moments). They both use an "organized" riff salad approach, which is - if you ask me - the reason why each album has such staying power.