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Why not genocide

Re: Why not genocide
September 18, 2010, 03:58:13 AM
admirably stated.

Re: Why not genocide
September 18, 2010, 04:25:40 AM
If we assume that eternal values exist, then some civilizations may understand them better than others. Design

If we assume that eternal values don't exist, then every civilization has its own space of cohesion. Relativism.

They're both right. There is reality absolute and there are methods for staying true to it.

There are stable modern societies like Switzerland. There are stable pre-modern societies. Relativism is better understood as different means rather than as false fundamental realities.
”The Revolution ends by devouring its own children” – Jacques Mallet du Pan, 1793

Re: Why not genocide
September 18, 2010, 04:29:43 AM
Too many people (read: liberals/the crowd/morons) interpret symbols as reality (thanks for that little epiphany, Octuple).

Maybe this needs its own thread, since I'm not entirely sure how it can be applied to this one.

Re: Why not genocide
September 18, 2010, 05:17:51 AM
If we assume that eternal values exist, then some civilizations may understand them better than others. Design

If we assume that eternal values don't exist, then every civilization has its own space of cohesion. Relativism.

They're both right. There is reality absolute and there are methods for staying true to it.

There are stable modern societies like Switzerland. There are stable pre-modern societies. Relativism is better understood as different means rather than as false fundamental realities.

It's unfortunate that relativism is always so misinterpreted. Cultural relativism states simply that you must understand cultural phenomena in the culture they exist in, rather than comparing them to your own - essentially a recognition that the superiority of a culture is not its appearance, but the underlying spirit. This doesn't state at all that all cultures or elements thereof are equally valid, and especially not that one particular kind of culture is superior for everyone. It simply states that we must always consider the context, and judge in accordance with reality, not appearance. Relativism can remain so long as equality is banished.

Re: Why not genocide
September 18, 2010, 06:48:12 AM
If we assume that eternal values exist, then some civilizations may understand them better than others. Design

If we assume that eternal values don't exist, then every civilization has its own space of cohesion. Relativism.

They're both right. There is reality absolute and there are methods for staying true to it.

There are stable modern societies like Switzerland. There are stable pre-modern societies. Relativism is better understood as different means rather than as false fundamental realities.

It's unfortunate that relativism is always so misinterpreted. Cultural relativism states simply that you must understand cultural phenomena in the culture they exist in, rather than comparing them to your own - essentially a recognition that the superiority of a culture is not its appearance, but the underlying spirit. This doesn't state at all that all cultures or elements thereof are equally valid, and especially not that one particular kind of culture is superior for everyone. It simply states that we must always consider the context, and judge in accordance with reality, not appearance. Relativism can remain so long as equality is banished.

That's called the comparative method. Simply comparing 21th century Tokyo to ancient Egypt makes no sense. You must set the standards and the contexts on which the comparison will take place.

On the other hand, relativism is anti-realist and assumes that there's no design to compare civilizations, just social constructs.

Different people in different cultures, having high intelligence, reach similar conclusions about the world. On the other hand, If me, being smart, find that a traveler has a better understanding of reality, should I deny it for the sake of my culture?

We must face that Culture is a clash of successes and failures.

Re: Why not genocide
September 18, 2010, 10:27:05 AM
This is desperation. You WANT the organization to agree with these views so you can play the old "Who cried racist?" game. This isn't they daycare center, and we're not here to find a way to paint a red target on each others backs so the other kids can come running in and haze the bully who pissed us off for not thinking our propeller-hat is cool.

Of course I want the organization to agree with this. (it agreed, by the way).  I'm racially mixed and live in latin american country. How the fuck would I support an organization who's ideology includes the advancement of white people (or any other) based on the philosophy that it is superior (like you stated)? Would you do it? That being said, I think you're a little neurotic with these race issues.


You must be an absolute moron when it comes to history, because the Moors, Aztecs, and yes, even the holy, divine, and never have done anything wrong ever Africans have subjugated people they thought were weaker than them. In the case of the African people, they enslaved each other (but...but... I thought they were perfect and that not a single black person has ever done anything wrong in the history of the human race!). Caucasian people are no more a threat to humanity than humanity is a threat to itself, and that is the way it always has been. The only reason you want to focus on Caucasians is because it allows you an excuse not to better yourself. Instead of working to become a powerful race, why not just kill whitey instead? This is the basic idea behind all revolutions, and look where the revolution in France and America got us.

I don't give a fuck about the africans, they seem to be a very barbarous people even. I don't know where you got I love the africans so much... Oh I know. Because I said something againnst the europeans then I must be a leftist who think africans are oppressed people and all that crap... Don't put words on my keyboards. No, the reason I'm focusing on Caucasians is because this topic was made to state that caucasians are the better race (I'm not saying that they aren't, or that they are. I'm like 65% caucasian and when I discovered ANUS as a teen and racialism I started supporting white nationalism because I came to the conclusion that realism was the best option and that whites together with the japanese were superior races and thre was no problem saying it, but I never supported that in detriment of other races). You make a topic about how caucasians are superior and should exterminate every other race and you expect me as non-caucasian to conform? Fuck you. Of course the response of any sane person (and I'm not saying I'm sane) that is non-white would be to oppose this and consider it a threat.

By the way, stop with this faggot shit of being nervous and calling me a moron all the time. Can't you just use arguments? Is this insecurity?
You're quite hostile.

I got a right to be hostile, man, my people been persecuted!

Re: Why not genocide
September 18, 2010, 10:33:55 AM
This is desperation. You WANT the organization to agree with these views so you can play the old "Who cried racist?" game. This isn't they daycare center, and we're not here to find a way to paint a red target on each others backs so the other kids can come running in and haze the bully who pissed us off for not thinking our propeller-hat is cool.

Of course I want the organization to agree with this. (it agreed, by the way).  I'm racially mixed and live in latin american country. How the fuck would I support an organization who's ideology includes the advancement of white people (or any other) based on the philosophy that it is superior (like you stated)? Would you do it? That being said, I think you're a little neurotic with these race issues.


You must be an absolute moron when it comes to history, because the Moors, Aztecs, and yes, even the holy, divine, and never have done anything wrong ever Africans have subjugated people they thought were weaker than them. In the case of the African people, they enslaved each other (but...but... I thought they were perfect and that not a single black person has ever done anything wrong in the history of the human race!). Caucasian people are no more a threat to humanity than humanity is a threat to itself, and that is the way it always has been. The only reason you want to focus on Caucasians is because it allows you an excuse not to better yourself. Instead of working to become a powerful race, why not just kill whitey instead? This is the basic idea behind all revolutions, and look where the revolution in France and America got us.

I don't give a fuck about the africans, they seem to be a very barbarous people even. I don't know where you got I love the africans so much... Oh I know. Because I said something againnst the europeans then I must be a leftist who think africans are oppressed people and all that crap... Don't put words on my keyboards. No, the reason I'm focusing on Caucasians is because this topic was made to state that caucasians are the better race (I'm not saying that they aren't, or that they are. I'm like 65% caucasian and when I discovered ANUS as a teen and racialism I started supporting white nationalism because I came to the conclusion that realism was the best option and that whites together with the japanese were right in advocating purity, but I never supported that in detriment of other races). You make a topic about how caucasians are superior and should exterminate every other race and you expect me as non-caucasian to conform? Fuck you. Of course the response of any sane person (and I'm not saying I'm sane) that is non-white would be to oppose this and consider it a threat.

See, just my point. You're attempting to trick people here into saying that they think such a thing. I've spoken with many people who write for this website, and often. Perhaps one tenth of a second of every month is devoted to thinking about the merits of their own culture, and that's it. The rest of the time, which overwhelmingly dwarfs that one tenth of a second, is devoted to actually living. Since this is the case, you're making much ado about nothing. Why? Because I think you want an excuse to defame every idea supported by the website. "ANUS.com slightly, in a subtle manner, with some vagueness that is not definite implied that they may possibly think that Caucasians contributed what could be considered a significant amount to Western culture to some people, and that may not even include themselves! They're all evil racists who spend every second of every day thinking about how they would derive sexual pleasure from torturing every member of every other race for years and then slowly killing them off! That means you should never consider a single word that they have ever said, are saying, or will say!"
Classicism in art, royalism in politics, Catholicism in religion

Re: Why not genocide
September 18, 2010, 10:38:40 AM
What? Are you mentally retarded?

Didn't you see the answer of two members of the organization saying that they do not support this kind of thinking? Unless you prove to me that they're lying, then I think they do not support it.

You're not being honest: You're saying that I think ANUS are evil racists because they state that europeans created the greater part of western culture. I agree with ANUS on this (altought I don't agree everything good was made by caucasians wich is obviously a stupid statement). There is no confusion there. Thing is, you made a topic about the whites being supeior and exterminating every other race and you felt bad that I didn't agree with that.

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OK you didn't make the topic a guy did.
You're quite hostile.

I got a right to be hostile, man, my people been persecuted!

Re: Why not genocide
September 18, 2010, 10:39:59 AM
Africans may be a step behind in an evolutionary sense,

Did I miss something here - when did this start becoming a given assumption?

Re: Why not genocide
September 18, 2010, 10:48:00 AM
When did it stop becoming a given assumption?

Why did it stop becoming a given assumption?


Lettin' nillas know.

I hope our aryan overlords will emerge form their l secret base below antartica and wipe all of those under 500 of IQ And don't have the ability to mindtravel into the Xerces Galaxy.

Re: Why not genocide
September 18, 2010, 10:50:07 AM
It stopped being an assumption since we discovered why Africans were technologically behind Europeans - their environment, not their genes.

Re: Why not genocide
September 18, 2010, 10:53:41 AM
It stopped being an assumption since we discovered why Africans were technologically behind Europeans - their environment, not their genes.

Even atheists sometimes have their own "creation myths". This is one of them. The scourge of secular humanitarianism and what it has done to science...
Lettin' nillas know.

I hope our aryan overlords will emerge form their l secret base below antartica and wipe all of those under 500 of IQ And don't have the ability to mindtravel into the Xerces Galaxy.

Re: Why not genocide
September 18, 2010, 10:53:58 AM
It stopped being an assumption since we discovered why Africans were technologically behind Europeans - their environment, not their genes.

Truthfully, every single aspect of every African that has ever existed is absolutely perfect, with other races displaying this perfection in varying, but inferior degrees. The only exception to this is Caucasians, who have never done anything of worth throughout history.
Classicism in art, royalism in politics, Catholicism in religion

Re: Why not genocide
September 18, 2010, 11:13:02 AM
It stopped being an assumption since we discovered why Africans were technologically behind Europeans - their environment, not their genes.

Even atheists sometimes have their own "creation myths". This is one of them. The scourge of secular humanitarianism and what it has done to science...

If you have a scientific claim, let's hear it. Geneticists have not been able to explain why Europeans advanced their civilization while Africans did not; anthropologists have. We're still recovering from the assumption that whites are superior because they imported their civilization over the world, which they were able to do simply because their starting conditions were better.

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Truthfully, every single aspect of every African that has ever existed is absolutely perfect, with other races displaying this perfection in varying, but inferior degrees. The only exception to this is Caucasians, who have never done anything of worth throughout history.

Place an African tribe in europe 20,000 years ago instead of Caucasians and it would be their deeds whose worth you are upholding.

Re: Why not genocide
September 18, 2010, 11:22:14 AM
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Place an African tribe in europe 20,000 years ago instead of Caucasians and it would be their deeds whose worth you are upholding.

I'll stick to upholding merit itself, instead of quibbling over who is deserving of the credit for it. "Fear not, for all that should be is, and all that should not be has not been, is not, and never will be."
Classicism in art, royalism in politics, Catholicism in religion