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Title: Technical Black Metal?
Post by: FleshIsADisease on May 24, 2006, 02:27:39 PM
Is there such a thing as technical black metal?  I know BM isn't generally seen as a 'technical' genre, but I don't see any reason why this isn't at least theoretically possible.  The closest I have found in my searches is Unlord, which is only technical in the sense that the music is very tight (Ie, not as sloppily played/timed as a lot of BM) and very fast at the same time.

Thanks,
- Dissected Goddess
Title: Re: Technical Black Metal?
Post by: Mati on May 24, 2006, 02:39:17 PM
Yes, there is. What comes to mind first is Absu and Immortal, but Black Metal, even at it's most instrumentally proficient, never has 'technical' in it's name, for technique is only a means to an end.
Title: Re: Technical Black Metal?
Post by: nAMELESShERETIC on May 24, 2006, 07:00:35 PM
yeah, check out absu's 'tara' album.
Title: Re: Technical Black Metal?
Post by: Stars Down To Earth on May 25, 2006, 12:44:57 AM
Beherit and Burzum
Title: Re: Technical Black Metal?
Post by: we hope you die on May 25, 2006, 01:43:04 AM
Sacramentum play technical style Black/death metal. But immortal was the first name that came to my mind. Most black metal is deliberatly primitive however, like early Darkthrone, but technical black metal does exist however.
Title: Re: Technical Black Metal?
Post by: Nihilium on May 25, 2006, 04:08:51 AM
I would say, that every black metal band is technical, in it's own way. Because it takes a certain technique to create the "style" of black metal, that all individual black metal bands create. Even the most minimalistic black metal band is technical, because minimalism is a technique, too, as something you, eventually, could add to your music. All musical traits/attributes, makes the music technical.
Title: Re: Technical Black Metal?
Post by: Christ Fucking Malarkey on May 25, 2006, 05:58:32 AM
Technicality is often confused with flamboyancy, when true technical prowess lies in subtle nuances such as variations in picking technique, overall song structure, and displaying slight alterations in riff structure, seldom to be repeated.


Once you realize this, you'll find yourself appreciated that which may be termed "technical" about these albums, which have been recorded with greater clarity (something I believe you indicated you were seeking):

Angelcorpse - This American band is a blend of black metal and death metal, insofar as technical aspects are involved.

Averse Sefira - "Tetragrammatical Astygmata" One of the few times I've encountered crisp production utilized to the advantage of a band.

Enslaved - "Vikingligr Veldi" and "Frost" (as well as "Eld" and "Blodhemn", but I prefer their earlier work)

Gorgoroth - I find technicality in their best works, "Antichrist" and "Pentagram", but I'd suggest giving "Destroyer" a try and working backwards from there? Not technical per se, but there are interesting experiments with "noise" and wandering themes. (Hat, however will always be a better vocalist than Pest or Gaahl.)

Immortal - "Blizzard Beasts" (My favorite track on this album is "Mountains of Might", which coincidentally would probably be most representative of the "technical" sound you are seeking.)

Nokturnal Mortum - "Nechrist" Folk music is technical, and this is the NSBM group's best album, IMHIV+O.

Vinterriket - Not really black metal; I believe their latest album features more black metal elements. However, this ambient band essentially incorporates the aesthetic and atmosphere of intelligent symphonic black metal...minus the black metal.
Title: Re: Technical Black Metal?
Post by: Stranger on May 25, 2006, 10:46:46 AM
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Yes, that's a really "technical" album. It's no surprise Demonaz ran into problems with his fingers and his hand after playing all of this Pure Holocaust, Battles In The North and Blizzard Beasts-like stuff during several years.


I don't really consider this a Black Metal album. It has a lot more to do with Death Metal than anything else. Great album nonetheless.
Title: Re: Technical Black Metal?
Post by: Depopulate on May 25, 2006, 01:55:15 PM
check out the legion's 'Revocation'
Title: Re: Technical Black Metal?
Post by: Ergriefer on May 25, 2006, 02:55:10 PM
yeah, averse sefira and absu are the ones that come to mind with the technicality.  i think to say that primitive BM is "technical" simply because it uses a technique is too broad a use of the term.  by extension, all music would be "technical" under that definition.  

the meaning i would give to that term is a situation where the assorted techniques (trem picking, sweep picking, arpeggios, hammer-ons) carry the body of the song, as opposed to the melody or underlying harmony.  it really is a more perjorative term, and one that doesn't really jive with black metal.
Title: Re: Technical Black Metal?
Post by: aimanirrajim on May 25, 2006, 03:52:29 PM
behemoth?
Title: Re: Technical Black Metal?
Post by: FIAT on May 25, 2006, 04:27:09 PM
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Can you reccomend this band's best material?


"Landschaftsmalerische Klangwelten synthetischer Tonkunst" is a compilation of earlier stuff, and is Vinterriket's best material. "...und die Nacht kam Schweren Schrittes" is probably the top full-length album.
Title: Re: Technical Black Metal?
Post by: FIAT on May 25, 2006, 04:35:23 PM
Antaeus and Axis Of Advance are two bands which come to mind. Middle-era Sacramentum probably fits the bill too.
Title: Re: Technical Black Metal?
Post by: The_Absu on May 25, 2006, 11:29:28 PM
Much as I love them, Dissection and Absu owe their technique to both black metal and death/thrash respectively. Unless you're thinking of new Dissection, which owes its technique to crap.

Immortal is what pops into my head.
Title: Re: Technical Black Metal?
Post by: Blashyrkh on May 27, 2006, 08:07:29 AM
Talking about technicality, Old School Black Metal is definitely technical. Possessed, Sarcofago adn Hellhammer...
Title: Re: Technical Black Metal?
Post by: meganerd on May 27, 2006, 09:42:23 AM
Although they're not the best band in the world, I think someone should really mention Abigor.  Nachthymnen and Orkblut are their most definitive releases in my opinion.

I second Nokturnal Mortum's Nechrist and Averse Sefira's Tetragrammatical Astigmata, and Immortal, sortof..

Also, what's the distinction between "technical" and "intricate" or "dense" music.  I bring this up because of albums like Summoning's newest, which definetely doesn't fit the traditional definition of technicality, but there is A LOT of music going on in there.
Title: Re: Technical Black Metal?
Post by: eponymous on May 27, 2006, 11:45:42 AM
Check out Children of Maani
Title: Re: Technical Black Metal?
Post by: Nile577 on May 28, 2006, 09:20:14 PM
Mayhem - Grand Declaration of War

The question is strange anyhow. I think 'technicality' (I by far prefer the term 'complexity') only has value as far as it allows a band to better express its artistic concept.

Admiring complexity in itself - or worse, 'whether they can pull it off live' - reduces Metal to a novelty circus.
Title: Re: Technical Black Metal?
Post by: Vajra on May 31, 2006, 11:49:50 PM
Thus spake Dream Theatre.
Title: Re: Technical Black Metal?
Post by: morbid on July 04, 2006, 04:04:48 AM
about techinal black metal enslaved's frost is techinal
Title: Re: Technical Black Metal?
Post by: brandonk90 on July 28, 2006, 03:01:37 PM
Stiny Plamenu is the closest thing I have heard to technical black metal.
Title: Re: Technical Black Metal?
Post by: Nyogtha on July 28, 2006, 07:13:18 PM
Unquintessence is quite intrincate.
Title: Re: Technical Black Metal?
Post by: Fight_The_Plague on September 14, 2006, 11:10:36 AM
Wot hapin?

Technical (adj) : 1. Of or characteristic of an art, science or trade. 2. Of or showing technique 3. Considered so by a stringent interpretation of the rules

In regards to #1 & #2:  
Taake (Nor) - ...Doedskvad, 2005


*fiddle-dee-dee*
Title: Re: Technical Black Metal?
Post by: Arctic Sun on September 14, 2006, 12:17:26 PM
Necromantia managed to be fairly technical without choking on their own semen.
Title: Re: Technical Black Metal?
Post by: we hope you die on September 18, 2006, 08:56:14 AM
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Mayhem - Grand Declaration of War

The question is strange anyhow. I think 'technicality' (I by far prefer the term 'complexity') only has value as far as it allows a band to better express its artistic concept.

Admiring complexity in itself - or worse, 'whether they can pull it off live' - reduces Metal to a novelty circus.


I agree, if you only admire the talent of a musician, your appriciation of the band can go no further than such admiration, you cannot appreciate it as art or get as much out of it as a band that is less technical but presents a far more complex message.