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Metal => Metal => Topic started by: Cargést on December 27, 2010, 02:31:39 PM

Title: Indie Metal
Post by: Cargést on December 27, 2010, 02:31:39 PM
Found the latest DLA article interesting, especially using Gojira as the example of "Indie Metal".  I have always been subtly intruigued by a fellow band of theirs, called "Manimal", who never attained the same popularity, despite writing much more interesting (though still arguably pointless and annoying) music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jitMu6-pFP8

Interesting song structure, no?  I like the semi-symmetry of it, anyway, even if the sheer lack of actual Metal pisses me off.
Title: Re: Indie Metal
Post by: JewishPhysics on December 31, 2010, 04:08:08 PM
I thought this article was spot on, top draw, and other idiomatic expressions of affirmation.  I think similar specific dissections of this type of material would be very useful.  I think it has greater power than the more general "sadistic reviews" the site has been doing.
Title: Re: Indie Metal
Post by: Reginald Gillette on January 01, 2011, 01:58:55 AM
The article in question>>>
http://www.anus.com/metal/about/blog/pivot/entry.php?id=195

I like where that's going, though I can't see how INDIE figures into it.  The Gojira analysis displays a Rock-structured song.  Why not just call it Rock Metal? Or Pop Metal?  The phrase would be more accurate now than it was in the '80s, describing Def Leppard and Twisted Sister.

Either way, 'indie' is a tag which rarely describes how music sounds.  It was better at describing a business arrangement.

Title: Re: Indie Metal
Post by: Cargést on January 01, 2011, 07:00:59 AM
In the UK, "Indie" means a certain kind of music.  It's shit.  Listen to "Vampire Weekend" (apparently).
Title: Re: Indie Metal
Post by: Spectrum on January 01, 2011, 08:37:00 AM
In the UK, "Indie" means a certain kind of music.  It's shit. 

It is actually the same for the U.S.  That's why I detest having 'metal' share the same phrase with that word.
Title: Re: Indie Metal
Post by: Cargést on January 01, 2011, 08:49:23 AM
That's why you should detest Metal that could be labeled as "Indie Metal".
Title: Re: Indie Metal
Post by: Spectrum on January 01, 2011, 05:59:14 PM
Indeed
Title: Re: Indie Metal
Post by: Reginald Gillette on January 02, 2011, 04:23:38 AM
I'm saying that Indie is not a 'certain kind of music', but many musics that don't sound so much alike.  Nowadays, your clothes, hair, and politics seem to differentiate Indie from Rock. 

And even if you insist Indie IS a certain kind of music, is it different enough from mere Rock that these false metals must be Indie-Metal?  I'd like to hear how. 

I haven't heard tech death beyond Atheist.  I've read that it's all about riff-salads and blazing sweeps 'n shit.  How is that Indie?
Title: Re: Indie Metal
Post by: Cargést on January 02, 2011, 08:28:47 AM
It's not.  Some "tech death" bands are closer to Indie than Metal, even though they have the Metal instrumentation.

Also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EviXgp_F9yE

These all sound them same to me.
Title: Re: Indie Metal
Post by: Reginald Gillette on January 02, 2011, 09:26:28 AM
Also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EviXgp_F9yE

These all sound them same to me.

Okay.
If you insist Indie IS a certain kind of music, how is it different enough from mere Rock that these false metals must be Indie-Metal?  And not Rock Metal or Metalled Rock? 
Title: Re: Indie Metal
Post by: Cargést on January 02, 2011, 09:33:54 AM
"Indie", as both a form of music and a "scene", is weak and effeminate, whereas Rock generally isn't (as far as my understanding goes).  Rock seems to cater more for the beer-swigging macho crowd, whereas Indie is for the emo kids who are actually "popular", usually due to their tight jeans, capacity for dope, or general hipness, rather than due to any lasting personal qualities.

That panther band are closer to "Rock Metal" than any of these Indie bands.
Title: Re: Indie Metal
Post by: icKx on January 02, 2011, 12:11:01 PM

Okay.
If you insist Indie IS a certain kind of music, how is it different enough from mere Rock that these false metals must be Indie-Metal?  And not Rock Metal or Metalled Rock? 

It's not different from Rock at all. The only defining quality of "Indie" is that it is relatively outside the mainstream; unpopular pop music if you will.

The only purpose I see the term having is to avoid the overused 'hipster' meme.

After all, few things are more hipster than, well, hating hipsters.


Title: Re: Indie Metal
Post by: Vogkt on January 02, 2011, 12:13:08 PM
Hate to just jump right in, but it should probably be noted thats its possible in the history of 'Indie' music that Indie at one point had at least some merits, considering Indie is supposed to be an abbreviation of the word independent. However, this is obviously not the case anymore, as it has now been styled into a very generic form of pop culture and serves as fap material for 14 year olds everywhere.
Title: Re: Indie Metal
Post by: we hope you die on January 02, 2011, 01:06:40 PM
Just to add, music released on an independent label that quickly became music of pop bands in britain. I assume it is now used in this way as a less generic word for pop.
Title: Re: Indie Metal
Post by: Vogkt on January 02, 2011, 01:13:42 PM
Just to add, music released on an independent label that quickly became music of pop bands in britain. I assume it is now used in this way as a less generic word for pop.

Yeah, that sounds about right. I'm not entirely sure where to draw the line on the Indie sound anyway, let alone Indie metal (as the term is being used)
Title: Re: Indie Metal
Post by: Reginald Gillette on January 03, 2011, 04:29:22 AM
I listened to Gojira "Where Dragonz Dwell" AGAIN, to investigate this statement from the article:

"They even use the same chord voicings in the way old emo bands (Fugazi, and pop-punk-prog like Jawbreaker) used, fanning the dissonant chords."

 I think the author was talking about the intro, but I'm hearing maybe a C major 7th (the prettiest of dissonant chords, to me).  Either way, it didn't seem to fall mainly within Indie Rock.  The song sounds like Slipknot covering Creed, and super-boring.  The verse...just 16th-note kick drum flurries?

Rock Metal.  Rock Metalcore.  Nu-Metalcore.  Alternative Rockmetal.  Metalled Rock.  Angry Rock.  Let's bring back Butt Rock!
Title: Re: Indie Metal
Post by: Vogkt on January 03, 2011, 02:15:30 PM

Rock Metal.  Rock Metalcore.  Nu-Metalcore.  Alternative Rockmetal.  Metalled Rock.  Angry Rock.  Let's bring back Butt Rock!


I second this motion.
Title: Re: Indie Metal
Post by: Conservationist on January 03, 2011, 07:53:28 PM
Found the latest DLA article interesting, especially using Gojira as the example of "Indie Metal". 

Rock music: an aggregate of European folk/American country, waltz, proto-jazz, popular music, "blues" (moron-simple version of country, itself a simplified version of folk). The whole rock-n-roll story is a lie. They tell you it was new, but really, it was just repackaged shit.

Assimilation: when metal loses its distinct characteristics and becomes more like rock music in that (a) it's a musical average, in the simplest possible form, venturing few compositional risks and (b) in order to hide that, it tricks itself out as "unique" but it's actually really mundane.

Indie metal: any metal that tries to imiitate any of the 1980s indie genres, from emo, to post-punk, to indie rock proper, to jazz-rock (itself updated 1970s fusion) and shoegaze. Basically, anything that tries to make a rock/punk hybrid that's quirky and minor key but basically just a low-budget and more nerdly/hipstery version of the big rock music sound. Remember, REM, U2 and other major label hamsters got their start as DIY vinyl/cassette rebels.