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Title: ADD/Ritalin
Post by: indjaseemun on April 20, 2011, 10:52:35 AM
I have ADD and I would like to know if anyone with this condition was cured, what did you do to improve, and experiences with the drug Ritalin. I think this is extremely important, after all we have to be aware all the time. One cannot have ADD! If it does not have a cure the person can at least try to improve their condition.

I wanted to take Ritalin but if the symptons are going to come back after I stop taking it then there is no point for me.

I believe there are people here with ADD and even derealization. Derealization is a bizarre condition (but I think it is very old and common - it's just not very well known) in wich the world gains a dream-like quality, for lack of a better explanation, and it is related to ADD I think.

This is a serious topic about regaining sanity.
Title: Re: ADD/Ritalin
Post by: My AIDS, Your Arse on April 20, 2011, 11:37:33 AM
Do your homework on this supplement:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L-theanine

This is an amino acid found in tea leaves. Apparently it's good for ADD/ADHD as well, but your mileage may vary.
Title: Re: ADD/Ritalin
Post by: Dinaric Leather on April 20, 2011, 11:55:49 AM
I have ADD and I would like to know if anyone with this condition was cured, what did you do to improve, and experiences with the drug Ritalin. I think this is extremely important, after all we have to be aware all the time. One cannot have ADD! If it does not have a cure the person can at least try to improve their condition.

I wanted to take Ritalin but if the symptons are going to come back after I stop taking it then there is no point for me.

I believe there are people here with ADD and even derealization. Derealization is a bizarre condition (but I think it is very old and common - it's just not very well known) in wich the world gains a dream-like quality, for lack of a better explanation, and it is related to ADD I think.

This is a serious topic about regaining sanity.
Ritalin just relieves some of the symptoms, the real cure is discipline. Derealization for most people is just the realization of the fragility of consciousness. I find derealizaton to be a positive mental state.
Title: Re: ADD/Ritalin
Post by: Cargést on April 20, 2011, 12:00:58 PM
ADD and ADHD are liberal-speak for "requires more stimulus than the average individual".  People are being diagnosed with it left, right, and centre, nowadays.  Still, if you feel that you have such a condition, then Ritalin is not a good idea.  A friend of mine was on Ritalin for a good four or five years, and it just left him lethargic and placid.  He stopped taking Ritalin about three years ago, actively set out to fix whatever condition he had himself, and is now a much more lively individual, while maintaining an ability to focus on things which aren't immediately exciting/rewarding/interesting/whatever.
Title: Re: ADD/Ritalin
Post by: Andrew on April 20, 2011, 12:19:59 PM
I have ADD and I would like to know if anyone with this condition was cured, what did you do to improve, and experiences with the drug Ritalin. I think this is extremely important, after all we have to be aware all the time. One cannot have ADD! If it does not have a cure the person can at least try to improve their condition.

I wanted to take Ritalin but if the symptons are going to come back after I stop taking it then there is no point for me.

I believe there are people here with ADD and even derealization. Derealization is a bizarre condition (but I think it is very old and common - it's just not very well known) in wich the world gains a dream-like quality, for lack of a better explanation, and it is related to ADD I think.

This is a serious topic about regaining sanity.
Ritalin just relieves some of the symptoms, the real cure is discipline. Derealization for most people is just the realization of the fragility of consciousness. I find derealizaton to be a positive mental state.
I experienced derealization once, for about a week, and it was one of the most terrifying things I'd been through.  I would agree though, that it really did give me first-hand experience of how little it takes to push someone over the edge.  Although I think it's much more strongly associated with anxiety and panic attacks than ADD.  I've never had anything remotely like ADD, but I do have pretty bad anxiety (would never medicate myself for it though).
Title: Re: ADD/Ritalin
Post by: Examiner on April 20, 2011, 12:29:58 PM
Derealization for most people is just the realization of the fragility of consciousness. I find derealizaton to be a positive mental state.

When consciousness overrides reality, then productivity will also suffer, especially when there's only one state of, what I would call constant intoxication.

Title: Re: ADD/Ritalin
Post by: Anarcho hesh on April 20, 2011, 01:36:54 PM
ADD and ADHD are liberal-speak for "requires more stimulus than the average individual".  People are being diagnosed with it left, right, and centre, nowadays.  Still, if you feel that you have such a condition, then Ritalin is not a good idea.  A friend of mine was on Ritalin for a good four or five years, and it just left him lethargic and placid.  He stopped taking Ritalin about three years ago, actively set out to fix whatever condition he had himself, and is now a much more lively individual, while maintaining an ability to focus on things which aren't immediately exciting/rewarding/interesting/whatever.
 

I feel like most of my generation has been subject to mind altering substances to make them more docile. Most of the upper middle class white kids i know have some crazy prescription for some wacky ass pill or sedative. It's a little unnerving to try to think about what the long term consequences of all these things will be. At least now bad parents can just blame there child's problems on a mental imbalance. These liberal guys might be on to something....
Title: Re: ADD/Ritalin
Post by: Dinaric Leather on April 20, 2011, 02:59:51 PM
I experienced derealization once, for about a week, and it was one of the most terrifying things I'd been through.  I would agree though, that it really did give me first-hand experience of how little it takes to push someone over the edge.  Although I think it's much more strongly associated with anxiety and panic attacks than ADD.  I've never had anything remotely like ADD, but I do have pretty bad anxiety (would never medicate myself for it though).
Dr. D. Leather has your prescription: Quit looking up justifications for your complacency in bullshit pyschology articles and discipline yourself. You are anxious, you don't "have" anxiety, thats modern speech subtly making it appear as though it's a condition in and of itself (aka "not your fault") and not connected to a spiritual issue. It's most likely you are anxious because you have undirected energy, which is why I suggest a heavy dose of discipline. If you can't figure out how to discipline yourself, join the military, there someone else will force discipline on you.
Title: Re: ADD/Ritalin
Post by: nothingnowhere on April 20, 2011, 03:30:18 PM
I have ADD and I would like to know if anyone with this condition was cured, what did you do to improve, and experiences with the drug Ritalin. I think this is extremely important, after all we have to be aware all the time. One cannot have ADD! If it does not have a cure the person can at least try to improve their condition.

I wanted to take Ritalin but if the symptons are going to come back after I stop taking it then there is no point for me.

I believe there are people here with ADD and even derealization. Derealization is a bizarre condition (but I think it is very old and common - it's just not very well known) in wich the world gains a dream-like quality, for lack of a better explanation, and it is related to ADD I think.

This is a serious topic about regaining sanity.

My experience, your mileage may vary: I was "diagnosed" with ADD when I was younger because I didn't pay attention in school (too busy, you know, thinking) and I was "disorganized" because I didn't care about doing my homework. I took medicine for it that succeeded wonderfully in ruining my sleep schedules and making me depressed. As I grew older and stopped taking medicine for it, I realized that I have a very active mind. I take in and analyze information rather quickly, which can be a positive or a harmful thing depending on how I control it. I found that by disciplining myself and my mind through meditation and awareness expansion (learning to turn off your brain and open up more fully to your senses and direct experience) I now have more focus than the vast majority of people I encounter.

My advice from that: Stay away from drugs that dull and ruin your brain; learn to control it instead.
Title: Re: ADD/Ritalin
Post by: JewishPhysics on April 20, 2011, 06:55:35 PM
I wanted to take Ritalin but if the symptons are going to come back after I stop taking it then there is no point for me.
The point of taking something like Ritalin for ADD / ADHD is to help manage the symptoms so that you can learn to deal with your issues more easily.  There is no 'cure' for ADD, but you can essentially live a normal life / learn to live with it.

There's also the issue of making sure you actually have it before treating it.  This is probably one of the most over-diagnosed conditions there is.
Title: Re: ADD/Ritalin
Post by: Mindtraveller on April 20, 2011, 07:31:41 PM
I find derealizaton to be a positive mental state.
I would tend to agree, however there are circumstances in which derealization is about the last thing you'd want. Piloting an aircraft or in combat, for instance.

I have ADD and I would like to know if anyone with this condition was cured, what did you do to improve, and experiences with the drug Ritalin.
My mother teaches 1st grade. She always prefers that parents seek alternative treatments for the condition before prescribing them to Ritalin. Such alternatives include dietary changes, like cutting red food dye and high fructose corn syrup and processed food in general; as well as physical activity like sitting on a yoga ball at their desk so they exert excess energy by balancing. Although she tells me that the ADHD (ADD is an outdated term) children do experience a profound increase in ability to concentrate on the drug, IMHO it suppresses creativity and emotion and turns children into little robots.

I think this condition is by and large the result of modern lifestyle. Excessive time spent in front of a flickering screen, not enough time outside, a diet of mostly synthetic slop. Of course some kids are more hyperactive and spontaneous than others due to genetics, but the lifestyle factors exacerbate what otherwise would be a manageable affair. The pharmaceutical companies capitalize on this by pedaling these quick fix stimulants guaranteed to make your child sit still for 8 hours. Parents fail realize that these drugs are hyper-addictive and abusable (Ritalin's pharmacological action mimics that of cocaine; Adderall is just meth-lite) and that the younger kids start taking them, the more likely they'll need to continue to purchase a product for the rest of their lives just to be productive.
Title: Re: ADD/Ritalin
Post by: rapidshare on April 21, 2011, 04:15:57 AM
Ritalin just relieves some of the symptoms, the real cure is discipline.

In my experience, most of modern medicine is symptomatic treatment.
Title: Re: ADD/Ritalin
Post by: aquarius on April 21, 2011, 05:45:32 AM
I believe there are people here with ADD and even derealization. Derealization is a bizarre condition (but I think it is very old and common - it's just not very well known) in wich the world gains a dream-like quality, for lack of a better explanation, and it is related to ADD I think.

Derealization (the world doesn't feel real to the person) as oppose to depersonalization (the person feels they aren't real but the world is) is a perceptual disturbance and has more to do with psychosis or dissociation than ADD/ADHD. Maybe you're just a deep thinker.

Title: Re: ADD/Ritalin
Post by: wood on April 21, 2011, 05:24:28 PM
I experienced derealization once, for about a week, and it was one of the most terrifying things I'd been through.  I would agree though, that it really did give me first-hand experience of how little it takes to push someone over the edge.  Although I think it's much more strongly associated with anxiety and panic attacks than ADD.  I've never had anything remotely like ADD, but I do have pretty bad anxiety (would never medicate myself for it though).
Dr. D. Leather has your prescription: Quit looking up justifications for your complacency in bullshit pyschology articles and discipline yourself. You are anxious, you don't "have" anxiety, thats modern speech subtly making it appear as though it's a condition in and of itself (aka "not your fault") and not connected to a spiritual issue. It's most likely you are anxious because you have undirected energy, which is why I suggest a heavy dose of discipline. If you can't figure out how to discipline yourself, join the military, there someone else will force discipline on you.

The military worked for me, I supposedly had AdD, use it as a means to an end though.. the GI bill pays 100% of your school and pays you the housing rate for an E5 with dependents which is around $1,000 a month.
Title: Re: ADD/Ritalin
Post by: Andrew on April 22, 2011, 12:10:59 AM
I agree with your diagnosis "Dr. D," but considering that you don't know me or anything about my anxiety, how can you presume that I don't have some kind of genuine medical condition?  Surely you don't believe all anxiety in every person who has a problem with it stems from lack of discipline, right?  You can't honestly believe there is nobody that has an actual genetic mental defect causing such things.  I'm not such a person; I readily admit that I lack mental discipline, though I disagree with your solution of joining the military.  It would work for people in some countries, but I live in the United States, and could never come to terms with the fact that I'd be fighting to spread consumerism, globalism, and McDonald's culture to the entire globe.
Title: Re: ADD/Ritalin
Post by: vigor on April 23, 2011, 01:06:51 AM
derealization fucking sucks. in my younger years, i took way too many drugs. mainly lsd. as a result, i constantly have a grainy, static like effect over my field of vision and the tracers that i see following any and all moving objects will probably never go away. whether this is hppd or not is up for speculation because i haven't seen a doctor about it and self-diagnosis is kind of stupid. when you live with constant visual distortions on a daily basis, it has a subversive effect on the psych. there's the dream-like quality to the world around you, the questioning of reality(which isn't a bad thing in and of itself, but can be if you obsess over it like i have in the past), and the development of solipsist tendencies. the research on this phenomena seems to indicate that severe depression can also be a result, which i find agreeable, since i often have random bouts of depressed mood and lethargy for reasons i can't exactly pinpoint. i would completely disagree with dinaric leather's opinion that derealization is in any way positive. in my experience, i've found it to be an extremely difficult affliction and a serious cause of concern in regards to my ability to think positively, be happy, and be productive. so don't do too much lsd, but still do a little.
Title: Re: ADD/Ritalin
Post by: indjaseemun on April 23, 2011, 10:38:20 AM
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Ritalin just relieves some of the symptoms, the real cure is discipline. Derealization for most people is just the realization of the fragility of consciousness. I find derealizaton to be a positive mental state.

I started feeling derealization when I was a kid. I'm pretty sure it was the combination of anxiety + excessive videogame, TV and computer use. It always started when I was in the middle of crowds, or in gaming places with arcades.too much activity and visuals or too much people started inducing it for me. It was totally drug like, and it started before I have used any drugs. But as I said, I had abused other mind altering things like videogames. If I had derealization after I started using drugs I would freak out and think I totally destroyed my brain. But the drug use came later, in a curiosity to see where else this altered state of mind stuff can go. I remember that derealization was like a big puzzle to me. I was totally clueless at what the hell was going on. There is not much knowldege about this. I remember that I started feeling it at a christmas party with my family, an occasion I enjoyed very much, then I started crying because it was happening again. I was a kid, and as time passed it started feeling derealized 24/7 and have been to this day. It's not that bad. It's also not that good. As it has been said it is good for mysticism and philosophy, but I cant say if it is good for fighting (probably not) because I don't do it.

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I experienced derealization once, for about a week, and it was one of the most terrifying things I'd been through.

That's interesting. Why?


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I feel like most of my generation has been subject to mind altering substances to make them more docile.

Yeah, we are exposed to a lot of stuff in vaccines, food, water, electronics, microwave, cell phones, etc...


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derealization fucking sucks. in my younger years, i took way too many drugs. mainly lsd. as a result, i constantly have a grainy, static like effect over my field of vision and the tracers that i see following any and all moving objects will probably never go away.

That's extreme. I've read about tracers: Interesting phenomenon. I can't imagine how it is.

Thanks to all for the responses.

There is a book, I haven't read it, a woman wrote about derealization, she had it and found the answer to her questions in buddhist meditation, and realized that what she felt was actually something that had to do with buddhism, or meditation. Well I have to read it yet,.

I'm pretty sure edgar allan poe had derealization. There is a tale he wrote about a guy who craves some woman's teeth or something, in wich the character says that the world was every day feeling more unreal, while the content of books seemed to be the only thing that felt real.
Title: Re: ADD/Ritalin
Post by: JSPAG on April 23, 2011, 04:56:42 PM
Ritalin is an amphetamine. I would strongly urge you not to take this poison.
Title: Re: ADD/Ritalin
Post by: Andrew on April 24, 2011, 04:21:25 PM
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I experienced derealization once, for about a week, and it was one of the most terrifying things I'd been through.

That's interesting. Why?

Mostly because it was triggered by cannabis (one of the first times smoking it, took way too much for how sensitive I am to it), and I had the paranoid thought that it was laced and I'd permanently fucked my brain up (since I knew how long it was supposed to last).  But in terms of the effects themselves (of derealization), there's quite a difference between recognizing the meaninglessness of everything and being confronted with it full-blown 100%.  That was quite literally hell.  The only emotion I could comprehend was sheer terror.  Although, even at the time I recognized how profound of a state it was.  I had some of my deepest thoughts those handful of days, in between panic attacks.  I can't remember specifically what they were though, since I've built on them with further thoughts afterwards.
Title: Re: ADD/Ritalin
Post by: indjaseemun on April 24, 2011, 04:33:40 PM
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I experienced derealization once, for about a week, and it was one of the most terrifying things I'd been through.

That's interesting. Why?

Mostly because it was triggered by cannabis (one of the first times smoking it, took way too much for how sensitive I am to it), and I had the paranoid thought that it was laced and I'd permanently fucked my brain up (since I knew how long it was supposed to last).  But in terms of the effects themselves (of derealization), there's quite a difference between recognizing the meaninglessness of everything and being confronted with it full-blown 100%.  That was quite literally hell.  The only emotion I could comprehend was sheer terror.  Although, even at the time I recognized how profound of a state it was.  I had some of my deepest thoughts those handful of days, in between panic attacks.  I can't remember specifically what they were though, since I've built on them with further thoughts afterwards.


I totally understand you: Toughts come up of the fragility of our body and consciousness. Thoughts about Lovecraft's monsters being real; thoughts about dying without air, gettig punched in the face,  thinking that in this moment it's only a panic attack but that you are subject to the laws of jungle and at any minute (and it probably will happen) someone will violently attack you, etc... But you experienced it together with something similar to a panic attack triggered by cannabis. Only derealization is not so scary once you get used to it.
Title: Re: ADD/Ritalin
Post by: Andrew on April 24, 2011, 04:56:20 PM
I'm glad you mentioned Lovecraft, because even at the time I felt that the best way to describe it was that it was very much like the madness and cosmic dread that occurs after his characters are confronted face-to-face by one of his entities.

Also, I agree that the drug-induced panic attacks were a large part of the terror, but they are also what triggered the adrenaline that created the experience in the first place.  In my case it went away as I got used to it.
Title: Re: ADD/Ritalin
Post by: Dinaric Leather on April 24, 2011, 07:59:41 PM
Holy shit, you guys are the biggest bunch of whiners I've ever seen write with that sort of literacy. You got really stoned once, got into deep thought and it was "quite literally hell"? SHEER TERROR? It really makes me think how inexperienced you have to be. If you fucks are so smart that you can make all these theories about Lovecraft, I know you guys know how to unfuck yourself, you just aren't willing to put in the fucking effort.
Title: Re: ADD/Ritalin
Post by: Andrew on April 24, 2011, 11:44:26 PM
It's funny how you accuse us of being inexperienced when you clearly have no idea what we're talking about.  No, I wasn't just stoned.  Cannabis doesn't last for a week, if you didn't know.  But yes, inexperience is at the root of it; lack of life experience brought on by living in a terrible time of civilization where it's all too easy to fall through the cracks of extreme introversion if you have such a tendency, and then every new experience that is even slightly intense has potential to become nightmarish.  From that you get panic attacks which result in new physical symptoms which spur on more panic attacks in a positive feedback loop, and those strange mental symptoms, which are almost like a "trip" in themselves, are what we are discussing.  But go ahead and continue believing that anyone with any kind of mental condition or instability can just "unfuck" themselves whenever they wish.  At least it will give you the pleasant feeling of hope that you might someday overcome your own pretty obvious retardation.
Title: Re: ADD/Ritalin
Post by: Cargést on April 25, 2011, 01:06:35 AM
In my experience, people's "mental problems" are more often than not self inflicted - symptoms of the cognitive dissonance generated by living in so mournfully crap a time as this while knowing that almost everything around you is plastic and unimportant, while the truly important things are purposefully obscured by the people "in control".  Some of the people I know ended up taking this stance and then not doing anything about it, resulting in them developing pretty odd "mental conditions" - even frequent panic attacks.  It's not "unreal", "put on", or anything of the sort, but it's entirely within their power to stop themselves from responding in such a way to events, stimulae, whatever.  Luckily, most of those people trained themselves to respond more pragmatically to unknown/potentially extreme/threatening situations/experiences, /.
Title: Re: ADD/Ritalin
Post by: vigor on April 25, 2011, 01:23:33 AM
cargest makes an extremely valid point. while i do believe in the existence of psychological disorders caused by chemical imbalances in the brain and other various damage(for example, my visual distortions are most likely a result of damage to the hippocampus impairing my sensory gating ability), your modern day run of the mill depression, neurosis, and whatever other bullshit excuses to numb yourself with chemical lobotomies exist are most likely a result of thinking "what's the fucking point"? thinking that way is normal. i think the general progression for most people is a sense that the natural world is hostile to you, and then finally the realization that it's instead just completely indifferent. the problem is, a lot of people don't take the next logical step and attempt to find meaning for their lives on their own terms, and either seek supernatural approval(religion) or just completely shut down and start loathing themselves and dabbling in self-destructive behavior. i've been there. the time i spend struggling with finding meaning and purpose in life is a little bit more frequent than i would like for it to be, but i'm thankful that i've atleast started the process of discovering the things that i value, the things that are productive for my life, and the things that i find beauty in. a lot of people get stuck on step 2 and proceed from there to dogmatic religion and lexapro. fuck that shit, grab life by it's sweaty nuts, regardless of any obstacles you've set up for yourself.
Title: Re: ADD/Ritalin
Post by: Dinaric Leather on April 28, 2011, 08:53:32 AM
It's funny how you accuse us of being inexperienced when you clearly have no idea what we're talking about.  No, I wasn't just stoned.  Cannabis doesn't last for a week, if you didn't know.  But yes, inexperience is at the root of it; lack of life experience brought on by living in a terrible time of civilization where it's all too easy to fall through the cracks of extreme introversion if you have such a tendency, and then every new experience that is even slightly intense has potential to become nightmarish.  From that you get panic attacks which result in new physical symptoms which spur on more panic attacks in a positive feedback loop, and those strange mental symptoms, which are almost like a "trip" in themselves, are what we are discussing.  But go ahead and continue believing that anyone with any kind of mental condition or instability can just "unfuck" themselves whenever they wish.  At least it will give you the pleasant feeling of hope that you might someday overcome your own pretty obvious retardation.
You think its funny that I said you were inexperienced, yet you affirmed it by telling me that "inexperience is at the root of it"? See, you already have quite a bit of insight into the root of your problem. I know I'm obviously retarded, and have no idea what I'm talking about, but all this shit that you're spewing just sound like euphemisms and excuses for poor and complacent behavior. You say you "get" panic attacks like it's some illness you caught or some shit, it's not. What it more likely was is you having a temper tantrum like a five year old because it's not obvious whats expected of you in this society. You're neurotic like a dog with no leadership. You are right about one thing though, you can't just unfuck yourself whenever you wish. I never said "whenever you wish". Truth be told, people with "I don't know what the fuck to do with myself disorder" or whatever you think you "have", take a long time to unfuck themselves, if they can even do it at all. They need someone else to unfuck them, join the military. I know your spineless friends will tell you all the classic shit about "being another cog in the machine, bro", "fighting on behalf of corporations, man" and all that horseshit, but it's pretty much the only way to achieve some level of discipline for an intelligent young man like yourself without any other strong guidance.
Title: Re: ADD/Ritalin
Post by: indjaseemun on April 28, 2011, 09:24:11 AM
As sad as it is, dinaric leather may be right. A lot of symptons disappear after hard phyisical work.
Title: Re: ADD/Ritalin
Post by: Andrew on April 28, 2011, 02:03:41 PM
I know you're spineless friends will tell you all the classic shit about "being another cog in the machine, bro", "fighting on behalf of corporations, man" and all that horseshit
You do realize this is anus.com, right?  I think you might've confused it with the Rush Limbaugh message boards, so why don't you mosey on back there.  Your advice is only fitting for drug addicts, homeless people, and morons, otherwise one cannot kill and risk death for a cause they know is idiotic. 

Anxiety is a by-product of an overactive mind, not an isolated symptom that must be dealt with.  You cannot get rid of it, with medication or discipline, without affecting other parts of your mind, some that you might value.  The kind of discipline that the military will give you is the disipline to do what you're told until you can make it home to your six-pack, big screen tv, leather couch, and potato chips.  And, joy of joys, you'll get to watch football on the weekend!  One should reject any "disciplining" that brings them further into the machine of mainstream society.  There are many other ways to discipline yourself, if it's truly necessary.
Title: Re: ADD/Ritalin
Post by: Cargést on April 28, 2011, 05:16:45 PM
I know you're spineless friends will tell you all the classic shit about "being another cog in the machine, bro", "fighting on behalf of corporations, man" and all that horseshit
You do realize this is anus.com, right?  I think you might've confused it with the Rush Limbaugh message boards, so why don't you mosey on back there.  Your advice is only fitting for drug addicts, homeless people, and morons, otherwise one cannot kill and risk death for a cause they know is idiotic. 

Fighting to improve oneself by leaps and bounds compared to the majority of vacuous imbeciles is an idiotic cause?  What the fuck have I been doing with my life!?  All this time, I was so wrong!  I'm going to stop doing things that will benefit me in the long run, because the outside world is altered insignificantly in a way which may or may not go by the wishes of the majority or minority of people whom I may or may not support!

My mind is overactive, and I'm not anxious.  That aside, if you find that your mind has nothing to focus on but things which will make you anxious, then I suggest you follow Mr. Leather's advice and do something which will actually engage your magnitudinous intellectual capabilities while producing something worthwhile, just as others of us do.  Surprisingly enough, we're the ones who don't make ourselves anxious.

I am of a sound enough mental disposition already that I do not require any exterior influence to force myself to improve myself, and this is why I have no reason to join the army, or any similar group.  I can discipline myself, and I discipline others, and I owe both of these facts to my being disciplined by my rolemodels and a significant amount of general anger and willpower.  Regardless of this faculty of mine, I am, funnily enough, considering joining an army, at some point in my life, if only because I know I'd be damn good at it.  Depending on how my life continues from this point on, I may or may not become a soldier.  Regardless, I am a Warrior, and Warriors strive to improve themselves continually (where have I heard that before..?).  Turn your mind away from issues which aren't actually of any real importance in the end - everything will die - and focus on things which benefit you.  You will enjoy improving yourself.

I'd also like to say, it's not terrifically "mainstream" to join the army.  If it were, then every country would have a fucking big army.  Not that that would be a bad thing - in fact, the more popular joining the army becomes, the better, because more people will die.
Title: Re: ADD/Ritalin
Post by: Dinaric Leather on April 28, 2011, 05:22:33 PM
You do realize this is anus.com, right?  I think you might've confused it with the Rush Limbaugh message boards, so why don't you mosey on back there.  Your advice is only fitting for drug addicts, homeless people, and morons, otherwise one cannot kill and risk death for a cause they know is idiotic.

It's also fitting for people that suffer from debilitating anxiety that they themselves cannot cure. I have no idea why you keep bringing up politics, perhaps I should have said join a military because you assume I must mean the US military, although I never mentioned any particular allegiance. Converting to Islam and fighting for Allah in Afghanistan as the well known former Hessian Adam Gadahn did, bless his warlike spirit, is equally valid. If you are Jewish you may want to consider moving to Israel and joining their defense force. Warfare in general will bring discipline or death. Regardless you'll no longer have chronic anxiety.

Anxiety is a by-product of an overactive mind, not an isolated symptom that must be dealt with.

Absolutely, thats why you must compliment your overactive mind with an active lifestyle, which typically requires a certain degree of discipline. I'm not sure where you got the "isolated symptom" bit, seeing as there is no such thing as an isolated symptom and I'm not sure what I said to suggest that.

You cannot get rid of it, with medication or discipline, without affecting other parts of your mind, some that you might value.

I'm not sure what you are saying here, are you suggesting that discipline will damage parts of your brain as drugs might? Ancient soldiers must have been pretty fucking dumb if thats the case.

The kind of discipline that the military will give you is the disipline to do what you're told until you can make it home to your six-pack, big screen tv, leather couch, and potato chips.

Oh shit, I almost forgot that it's standard practice for militaries to order a diet of potato chips and beer to all discharged soldiers. Of course not all men become well disciplined super soldiers after a couple years of service, and some come home, forget what they were taught and let all that discipline slip while they pleasure themselves to mental oblivion. Those people most likely didn't come to the military looking for self discipline anyway, they came for the "benefits" that governments bribe their citizens with when there is no culture to defend. The military isn't some institution where people with mental problems can sign on the dotted line, get all disciplined up and be good to go. It requires hard work on your part and a sense of duty to yourself that you can't just let your body and mind go to beer and pot after you're discharged.

And, joy of joys, you'll get to watch football on the weekend!

Baseball is the true American sport. There is a reason that American football players die early, God hates them.

One should reject any "disciplining" that brings them further into the machine of mainstream society.  There are many other ways to discipline yourself, if it's truly necessary.

I agree that the military, and warfare in general, is incredibly popular right now. So many people are enlisting, the US military doesn't even know what to do with them all! I swear, you'd think it's 1941. I'm sure Americas well respected and highly honored soldiers just can't fucking wait to come home to the cheers of their grateful fellow Americans just like their forefathers did when they returned from Vietnam. Every time I see an American newspaper, I see nothing but headlines such as "Heroic American soldiers save innocents, Jihadists defeated once again" or "American soldiers in Iraq filmed carrying wounded Iraqi children from battlefields, risking their own lives". Once I suggested to my friends that the American soldiers are just being chucked like shit by the ape like government, and they went ballistic, I honestly didn't think I was going to survive after spouting such a non-mainstream, heretical opinion.

Yes, there are many methods of disciplining yourself, hence why I specifically suggested it to people who "cannot discipline themselves". If you had discipline, you wouldn't have to worry about your overactive mind, because you'll be consistently active. It's not so much about you having an overactive mind as much as it is you being underactive in general, you lazy fucking wiener.
Title: Re: ADD/Ritalin
Post by: Andrew on April 28, 2011, 08:19:53 PM
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Fighting to improve oneself by leaps and bounds compared to the majority of vacuous imbeciles is an idiotic cause?
No, dying to make the world safe for Walmart is an idiotic cause.  
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I am of a sound enough mental disposition already that I do not require any exterior influence to force myself to improve myself, and this is why I have no reason to join the army, or any similar group.  I can discipline myself, and I discipline others, and I owe both of these facts to my being disciplined by my rolemodels and a significant amount of general anger and willpower.  
1311 posts in two years since you've been here is not a sign of good self-discipline, that's a sign that you spend an unhealthy amount of time on the internet.  
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It's also fitting for people that suffer from debilitating anxiety that they themselves cannot cure. I have no idea why you keep bringing up politics, perhaps I should have said join a military because you assume I must mean the US military, although I never mentioned any particular allegiance. Converting to Islam and fighting for Allah in Afghanistan as the well known former Hessian Adam Gadahn did, bless his warlike spirit, is equally valid. If you are Jewish you may want to consider moving to Israel and joining their defense force. Warfare in general will bring discipline or death. Regardless you'll no longer have chronic anxiety.
Why do you value discipline so much?  Artistic geniuses usually lack discipline.

Also, I get panic attacks when I smoke a lot of weed and tend to be introverted; I don't see that as being particularly "debilitating."  I certainly didn't ask for anyone's help in the matter; I simply came to discuss derealization, a profound state of mind, even if it is scary and brought on by a certain mental weakness.  Keep in mind, those who have certain weaknesses tend to overcompensate in other ways, making them far more likely to do something great.  How many geniuses can you think of that were sickly as children?  It is weaknesses like that which keep people indoors and away from people that lead them to try to earn acceptance in other ways (more noble ways, in my opinion).
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I'm not sure what you are saying here, are you suggesting that discipline will damage parts of your brain as drugs might? Ancient soldiers must have been pretty fucking dumb if thats the case.
No, I'm saying discipline teaches you not to question things.  If something hurts ignore it, if something doesn't make sense just shut up and follow orders.  In some ways that could be good, such as things involving your efficiency at whatever task your superiors think you're useful for, but it's bad when it comes to having a deeper understanding of the universe (some spiritual disciplines might help, but most would simplify that) or creative work of various types (and obviously there are exceptions where some forms of discipline can help with creative work, but I don't think military discipline, particularly modern military discipline, would be very helpful in that regard.  It certainly could be harmful.).    
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It requires hard work on your part and a sense of duty to yourself that you can't just let your body and mind go to beer and pot after you're discharged.
Bullshit!  Any patriotic idiot can succeed in the military, and any physically fit idiot with too much testosterone and a strong desire to kill can succeed in the marines.  
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Baseball is the true American sport. There is a reason that American football players die early, God hates them.
Thanks for proving my point.  You're still just sitting in front of a tv watching roided-out monkeys with a bag of chips in your hand.
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Yes, there are many methods of disciplining yourself, hence why I specifically suggested it to people who "cannot discipline themselves". If you had discipline, you wouldn't have to worry about your overactive mind, because you'll be consistently active. It's not so much about you having an overactive mind as much as it is you being underactive in general, you lazy fucking wiener.
It's lack of TIME actually that is the reason why I haven't pursued these other things.  Speaking of which, this argument is getting much too long-winded, so this "lazy fucking wiener" won't be continuing it from here on out.
Title: Re: ADD/Ritalin
Post by: Dinaric Leather on April 28, 2011, 08:55:14 PM
Woah! If this isn't a joke you really are a weenie boy.

If you don't have high testosterone and a strong desire to kill, why are you even here? How can DEATH METAL be appealing to such a person?

By the way, what the hell was up with that I like baseball, therefore I am a roided-out monkey watching TV with a bag of chips in my hand comment? How could I play baseball and watch TV at the same time? How would I hold a bag of chips and a baseball bat at the same time? What about pitching? I never said I watch baseball on TV, you assumptious anxious flabby fuck.
Title: Re: ADD/Ritalin
Post by: Cargést on April 29, 2011, 07:36:55 AM
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Fighting to improve oneself by leaps and bounds compared to the majority of vacuous imbeciles is an idiotic cause?
No, dying to make the world safe for Walmart is an idiotic cause.

Come on, you can't be so dense as to misunderstand what I'm saying here.

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I am of a sound enough mental disposition already that I do not require any exterior influence to force myself to improve myself, and this is why I have no reason to join the army, or any similar group.  I can discipline myself, and I discipline others, and I owe both of these facts to my being disciplined by my rolemodels and a significant amount of general anger and willpower.  
1311 posts in two years since you've been here is not a sign of good self-discipline

How do you know that I haven't disciplined myself to be on the internet for disordinate amounts of time even though I dislike it hugely?

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that's a sign that you spend an unhealthy amount of time on the internet.

1.597 posts a day?  Each post probably takes, on average, half a minute to compose.  Add time spent connecting to the internet, navigating to anus.com, and reading other posts, I could probably spend as little as five minutes a day on the internet and still have the same number of posts, of the same quality.  No, most of my internet time is taken up researching things which are less well documented at my local library.  Most of my time, in general, is taken up with doing things - gym, hiking, writing music, "socialising", eating, working, studying, and generally experiencing life - and walking between doing things.  The fact that you took the time to try and find such an irrelevant piece of information out so as to make some kind of retort against good advice is indicative of your ever more Jewish attitude on this thread.

Stop trying to weed your way out of doing something worthwhile.  That's positively scummy behaviour, and you should bloody well know that if you've spent more than half an hour reading the material on this website and its affiliates.  You've complained about being a certain way: people who have experience in these matters have told you to suck it and do something about your "predicament", and you've responded with whiny, often unintelligent posts, which do a disservice to you more than they do a disservice to the people you're struggling against.  Instead of finding excuses and spurious "loopholes" which don't actually work, man the fuck up and do something positive.

Why do you value discipline so much?  Artistic geniuses usually lack discipline.

Not in my understanding/experience.  Self-proclaimed "artists" lack discipline.  Real Artists are highly disciplined individuals, on the whole - Bach, Wordsworth, Vikernes, etc.
Title: Re: ADD/Ritalin
Post by: Andrew on April 29, 2011, 11:39:06 AM
What discipline do you think Varg practiced?  I remember pretty distinctly him saying that black metal originated out of a lack of direction.
Title: Re: ADD/Ritalin
Post by: Cargést on April 29, 2011, 01:09:04 PM
Maybe we need to make the distinction between discipline, as a general term, and self-discipline, which being disciplined by others should teach you, if you are unable to learn self-discipline on your own.  I'll use the term "discipline" to refer to both, since this is English, and words in English have various meanings.

Varg Vikernes is a very disciplined man, now, and in the past (no drugs/booze/cigarettes, set on his goals, writing a great amount of music in a short amount of time - all of these are signs of discipline).  A "lack of direction" is not indicative of a lack of discipline; it simply means that the actors involved have not yet established a single goal (which could be due to a huge number of reasons).

Why are you not taking up other points that I've made?  I'd like to know if you've read what I've said, considered it, found it to be valid, and are going to put it into practice in your life.  Otherwise I won't bother trying to get you to fix your own problems, and will start asking why you think this is the right place to start talking about them if you don't want people to comment and provide guidance, however harsh it may be (you lazy fucking wiener).
Title: Re: ADD/Ritalin
Post by: nothingnowhere on April 29, 2011, 01:33:36 PM
What discipline do you think Varg practiced?  I remember pretty distinctly him saying that black metal originated out of a lack of direction.

A void of direction that allowed them to define their own and create something new. Not a void that allowed them to say "life is hard, and trying to fix my problems might break me, so I'll play it safe and blame them on something outside myself."
Title: Re: ADD/Ritalin
Post by: Andrew on April 29, 2011, 01:42:10 PM
Why are you not taking up other points that I've made?
I'm reading them, and am certainly tempted to respond to them, but I (sometimes) have the self-discipline not to argue with people who would be too proud to admit when they're wrong anyways.  I have much better things to do and not at all enough time to do them.
Title: Re: ADD/Ritalin
Post by: Cargést on April 30, 2011, 06:44:02 AM
I have much better things to do

Like being pointlessly anxious, amirite?

If you wanted to make the best use of the short amount of time you want to spend here, you'd take the strongest of my points and address those, instead of attempting to nitpick.