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Title: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: Annihilation on June 16, 2011, 10:47:12 AM
Re: Disma, Dead Congregation, Funebrarum, Ignivomous, Grave Miasma, Cruciamentum, Blaspherian, etc.

I'm glad these guys know how to write coherent songs, don't showboat their production/technical ability, and hold the better stuff of the 80s and early 90s in high regard, but in most cases I'm still left wanting more. It's been said elsewhere, but none of these bands play with the same of sense of wonder, or take the same risks the originators did. Listening to Immolation's song "Dawn of Possession" song, the melodic hammered lead-in to Vigna's solo strikes me as a beautiful, but somewhat awkward departure from music that otherwise sounds fairly close to straightforward DM. The daring of its inclusion is something that may be lost to newer artists, because of the way it transcends the fixed concept they have of the old school, while remaining musical and not a mere novelty ("grindcore with flutes").

Questions: Does anyone else feel dissatisfied with the above artists, or related bands (Mefitic, Vasaeleth, Encoffinated... [insert list here])? Will they manage to grow and successfully develop their sound beyond what they knowingly emulate, or are they destined to amass discographies which, at best, successfully rehash a paradigm which seems to have been (basically) already fully explored?

(As an aside, the above bands I'm most impressed with are Cruciamentum and Ignivomous, and I'm looking forward to the new Disma.)
Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: istaros on June 16, 2011, 11:56:30 AM
The Vault of Membros gave me chills the first time I sat down and really listened to it. Very much looking forward to their LP, hoping it maintains just as much intricate subtlety. Convocation of Crawling Chaos was good, but it seems like the kind of thing that will wear off significantly over time - the slower "epic" portion of "Rotten Flesh Crucifix" is that demo's definite highlight. Grave Miasma and Ignivomous bored the shit out of me. Funebrarum's first was fine, their latest was meh. Blaspherian's first LP gets better and better every time I listen to it, it's analogous to Engram (and, on that note, not many other metal albums) in that it incredibly understates its own quality. Dead Congregation is very good, but like you said, a bit dissatisfying in the end.

They all are to some degree, if your aim in seeking these bands' works out is to find stuff that is both as good and as novel as the originating classics were. Of course you're going to be disappointed in that case. But a listen to Sepultura's Morbid Visions earlier today reminded me just how unimportant novelty has become once death metal came to the stage. That album would be boring to anyone who isn't already looking for what it is, because not only does every moment bear the same aesthetic(already a long-standing tradition in metal albums), but in fact every single riff is built from the same basic format. Yet it works twofold; it creates a cohesion within the album, and works to emphasize composition over instrumental ability, production, consonance, emotion, or whatever else. The bands mentioned here are essentially doing the same thing, and with that in mind it's hard to say they're disappointing. It's also for that reason I'd put Blaspherian and Disma above the others; they excel in forming structure and leaving everything else to wither away.
Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: Heydrich on June 16, 2011, 04:39:51 PM
I find Dead Congregation dissatisfying in NO way! I think "Graves..." is a brilliant album start to finish, and stands well alongside many of the classics - it captures that otf-elusive atmosphere and "vibe" of the old-school almost perfectly.

Actually, of all those, I find Ignivomous the least exciting, though truth be told, I still enjoy their work.

I am anticipating the new Disma like nothing else I expect to hear this year - or perhaps for some time.

I don't know that anything "old-school" can ever be sensibly accused of breaking new ground or being daring, etc. But to me, that isn't necessarily important either. I still adore Schumann, despite sometimes hearing a flood of Beethoven woven therein.
Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: Annihilation on June 16, 2011, 05:48:52 PM
I find Dead Congregation dissatisfying in NO way! I think "Graves..." is a brilliant album start to finish, and stands well alongside many of the classics - it captures that otf-elusive atmosphere and "vibe" of the old-school almost perfectly.

Actually, of all those, I find Ignivomous the least exciting, though truth be told, I still enjoy their work.

I don't know that anything "old-school" can ever be sensibly accused of breaking new ground or being daring, etc. But to me, that isn't necessarily important either. I still adore Schumann, despite sometimes hearing a flood of Beethoven woven therein.

To be fair, I haven't had the time to engage in quality listening sessions for all of the bands mentioned / relevant, and I'm sure that with regards to each band's craft and composition, many other users have better tastes within this emerging genre. My concern was more with regards to aesthetic and cultural context.

Perhaps a good re-presentation of the OP would just be the line
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Will they manage to grow and successfully develop their sound beyond what they knowingly emulate, or are they destined to amass discographies which, at best, successfully rehash a paradigm which seems to have been (basically) already fully explored?

Although it's black metal, I think Inquisition's last few suggest that it's possible to be effectively creative while still working within a "traditional" aesthetic, even though the composition could use a little work. Maybe my ear for this recent death metal is not well-developed, and there are subtler patterns in the music that I'm missing.

I'd also be very interested in hearing more about this phenomenon, which I don't think I understand:
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[Blaspherian's first LP is] analogous to Engram (and, on that note, not many other metal albums) in that it incredibly understates its own quality
Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: Iron on June 16, 2011, 09:51:56 PM
I'd give Disma's three track release a high B. It is barred from A status only insofar as it does come across as something as an exercise in 'form'. I have high hopes for their upcoming release. Best case scenario, their experimentation 'comes together' and allows them to imbue their 'formal' exercises with essence. Worst case scenario is that it's a B album.

Grave Miasma's material gets an A from me. Seamless fusion of black and death metal, either borrowing from Demoncy or taking autocthonous inspiration from the same ideas. Very powerful, dark music with a minimum of filler.

All of those other bands just get flat Bs or in some cases high Cs from me, though I haven't heard Ignivomous or Cruciamentum. I have to say that I have the same general complaints about this "new wave" of Old School Death metal that the original poster has. They largely miss the mark by mimicking style, as though it was JUST style that made the classics great. They don't usually have a good sense of composition.
Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: Leperchaun on June 17, 2011, 04:53:35 PM
One more notable contributor to the traditional DM revival would be War Master, a band primarily influenced by early-/mid-era Bolt Thrower.
Their Chapel of the Apocalypse demo is very solid, even if nothing really special.
Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: Conservationist on June 17, 2011, 08:03:52 PM
Re: Disma, Dead Congregation, Funebrarum, Ignivomous, Grave Miasma, Cruciamentum, Blaspherian, etc.

Blaspherian is good. Cruciamentum has promise. Disma is interesting but unfinished. The others didn't do it for me.
Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: icKx on June 18, 2011, 01:46:33 PM
Problem is most of these bands are little more than an exercise in style. I picked up Vasaeleth's 'Crypt Born and Tethered to Ruin' on a whim last year and while aesthetically everything is there, all the songs (possibly save 'Gateway to the Cemetery of Being') are just fucking boring.

Vasaeleth, Nominon, Encoffination, Decrepitaph, Necrovation, Father Befouled, etc... I think it's unlikely any of these projects will step out of the shadow of their influences. dm;wr

Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: Heydrich on June 19, 2011, 02:30:06 PM
Re: Disma, Dead Congregation, Funebrarum, Ignivomous, Grave Miasma, Cruciamentum, Blaspherian, etc.

Blaspherian is good. Cruciamentum has promise. Disma is interesting but unfinished. The others didn't do it for me.

In what way, specifically, does Blaspherian stand out from that broader group? How are they any better/different than say,  a Father Befouled?
(For what it's worth, I ask this as a big fan of the band) 



Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: istaros on June 21, 2011, 10:20:36 AM
I've heard several times on this forum that Father Befouled is the best of all these Incantatiophiles. That could very well be, but it hasn't clicked with me yet. I'm still planning on giving it more time to sink in, at some point. But the main reason I (and, I suspect, others) haven't mentioned it so far is simply that I was replying to the OP, which didn't mention it.

I'd also be very interested in hearing more about this phenomenon, which I don't think I understand:
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[Blaspherian's first LP is] analogous to Engram (and, on that note, not many other metal albums) in that it incredibly understates its own quality

Between those two albums, Infernal Warriors of Death is a purer example of the phenomenon, so I'm going to focus on it in explaining what I meant. The previous reference to Morbid Visions was a central point, in that the album has no frills whatsoever. It is unerringly consistent in style, to such a degree that anyone who doesn't seek out composition first and foremost may perceive that unwavering uniformity as a fault. But this highlights the composition itself, by leaving nothing else to focus on. And that composition is excellent - the title track may be the most obvious example, in that it spends the majority of its length undulating over and under an unfinished idea; it sounds OK, but doesn't have any finality. But this is used towards a great end, as the song then finishes off with a single, ridiculously heavy riff that shatters all that previous open-endedness into a dense singularity. The closest thing the album has to frills is one solo (that I can recall) and a smattering of lead breaks - contrary to what many reviewers have stated, the album does have them. The most obvious one is in "Lies of the Cross". But even these are subtle; they exist as nothing more than an accentuation of the rhythm riffs' highest (or, in some songs, lowest) notes, thus giving them an added emphatic weight as opposed to becoming a central point of interest themselves. In fact, throughout the majority of the album, the aesthetic space that would normally be taken by the chromatic soloing so common in death metal is usually instead filled by nothing more than notes that are placed higher up on the scale than the rest of the surrounding melodic phrase. These are all very subtle details but once you sit down and pay attention closely enough they become very clear. The reason I say Engram has less of this aspect is because of the bagpipes in the opening track, and the long Tangerine Dream-meets-Dead Can Dance metal electroritual final track - still far less divergent from the album's overall aesthetic than the stuff in most metal albums, so it's really just a matter of degree. Engram also shares the property with Infernal Warriors of Death of being, on the surface, a very typical album for its style. There's nothing that sets them apart from the rest of their respective genres on a surface level, but there's something different in their spirit that is really difficult for me to put a thumb on and describe in words, but in listening to it is clear as day.
Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: Wolfgang on April 04, 2012, 03:26:09 PM
To update the discussion on these bands :

The new Disma is incredible. I let a bad rip throw me temporarily. My loss.

Cruciamentum's new EP was at first listen a tremendous let down. A lot of it is an issue with the guitar tone and production style as it seems to sink deeper into the Incantation-worship instead of rising above it. I gave it more chances and it is actually a great release but not nearly to the standard of Convocation of Crawling Chaos. Convocation is the best three song release since I don't know when, and on par with any classic EP. Much of the problem with Engulfed isn't compositional as much as tone and feel, which is less cavernous and majestic, and more earthen and direct. Cruciamentum still have the chance to record a landmark piece. I just hope they realize they don't have anything to gain by making the mix resemble Incantation. I expect the next one to sound more like Cruciamentum again.

Necros Christos' new shit is bomb. It took me a second to warm up to it because it is more death metal in tone and less crawly. However, they did all they could have in the style found on Triune Impurity Rites, thus I came to appreciate the new one fleshing out their range. This is still very much Necros Christos but it expands variation between metal songs. And as far as the neo-classical interludes go, those are improved as well. It may actually be better than Triune Impurity Rites as a whole album, though I find the most memorable single songs were still from that album.

The new Ignivomous is very much in the vein of their first one, but refined. A very satisfying listen. No issue with that one at all. But I never regarded this band as much as I did the above three.

The new Goreaphobia is truly kick ass. I had a friend tell me it was too black metal and I could see what he was talking about a song or so in, but much like Mortal Repulsion, the album continues to reveal itself all the way through. Goreaphobia purposely hide their best shit deep in the album.
Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: holy ghost on April 04, 2012, 07:18:43 PM
Re: Disma, Dead Congregation, Funebrarum, Ignivomous, Grave Miasma, Cruciamentum, Blaspherian, etc.

VERY impressed with the last Cruciamentum MLP - that really hit home for me in the best possible way.

really dig Dead Congregation and Ignivomous a lot, and Embrace of Thorns too. Does Portal get lumped in here?

Antediluvian are probably the best of the lot for me. That las album was fucking unreal.

One to watch is Adversarial. Shitty production on the first LP but seeing them live this winter was unbelievable. If the covers on the MLP they did are any indication, their next stuff is going to really knock some heads off.....

Couldn't get into Disma or Funebarum whatsoever, definitely not doing it for me.

I guess what I'm getting at is that when its done well it's great, but when it's generic riffs or lifeless production, forget it... just like doom metal, this shit seems really easy to play but is really hard to pull off well.
Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: Wolfgang on April 04, 2012, 07:59:34 PM


Does this come from another thread or did you make the same error I have occasionally made when shortening a quote?

EDIT : Yes, it did, because quoting you caused the same error in my post.

Antediluvian and Diocletian I haven't given enough repeated listens to make comments on. Maybe this exposes the flaws in this genre and my method of grading these bands, but I came to them last in the order, so they were judged a little harsher. Ideally, I should be able to listen to them all 100% objectively and pick out which are the best, but I heard Cruciamentum, Vasaeleth and Ignivomous first, and got into them significantly before finding Father Befouled and some of these others, so my perspective was already tainted. Father Befouled I have given a lot of listens, and it just didn't resonate with me like Ignivomous and Vasaeleth did. Then again, I have to confess Dead Congregation I heard well after some of these other bands came across my radar as well, and they shot to the top of the order for me.

I bet that is true for about everyone posting on these bands round here. Every single one of them someone has identified as the one band they dig the most out of this style, and I imagine it was probably one of the first ones they heard in this pile.

Portal I have tried to get into a few times, and while they've just been a bit too weird for my exclusive, elitist hardline tastes, I know they're at least trying something. There are elements present I do like. Impetuous Ritual is Portal members playing stuff that fits more into this specific vein, and is quite awesome.  

No one ever talks about Lie in Ruins, which sucks, because Swallowed by the Void is fucking brilliant.
Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: Iron on April 04, 2012, 08:19:31 PM
After letting it all sink in, my conclusion is that Grave Miasma still tops all of these other bands. I think that The Exalted Emanation is one of the best metal albums of the last decade. Where most of them ultimately come off like a kind of glorified ambient sort of metal (all aesthetic, tone, etc, no real syntax to speak of), The Exalted Emanation comes across as the development and conclusion of a thought. And it's a good thought.

Not that all that other stuff is bad. A lot of potential. High B scores. And Impetuous Ritual is like Portal with substance. Verdict is still out on its lasting value, though.
Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: Wolfgang on April 04, 2012, 08:40:39 PM
After letting it all sink in, my conclusion is that Grave Miasma still tops all of these other bands. I think that The Exalted Emanation is one of the best metal albums of the last decade. Where most of them ultimately come off like a kind of glorified ambient sort of metal (all aesthetic, tone, etc, no real syntax to speak of), The Exalted Emanation comes across as the development and conclusion of a thought. And it's a good thought.

Not that all that other stuff is bad. A lot of potential. High B scores. And Impetuous Ritual is like Portal with substance. Verdict is still out on its lasting value, though.

I agree on Grave Miasma somewhat but I find that fits Cruciamentum, especially on their first one, even more. A full album just like Convocation would probably be one of my favorite releases ever honestly.
Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: Wolfgang on April 05, 2012, 03:44:01 PM
Blaspherian reveals itself more with each listen. The riff on Infernal Warriors of Death - what does that sound like?

Antediluvian managed to keep my interest as well but I need to give that one a few more to determine if I like it as much as the others.

Enjoying being sequestered putting album after album away.
Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: lord.aspie on April 05, 2012, 07:36:06 PM
Antediluvian really needs to return to the style of "Under Wing of Azazel". The last two were slightly disappointing.
Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: holy ghost on April 06, 2012, 06:16:39 AM
I had forgotten about Father Befouled until they were mentioned here. VERY underwhelming, and no surprise Relapse snapped them up. Totally cookie cutter stuff from what I remember. Plus the name, awful stuff. Sounds like an old man shit himself in a respite home. Plus the cover artwork is so generic

I have not checked out the Grave Miasma LP - which is unfortunate as I loved the Goat Molestor 7" they released before changing their name. I'm going to have to order that before it goes OOP.
Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: holy ghost on April 07, 2012, 11:04:26 AM
For me I think the new Cruciamentum is just totally 100% top notch. A full LP of this would just be incredible. I am going to have to order the demo 10" and the split 7" asap to get myself caught up. To my ears the MLP sounds like a mix of the best elements of RoC Bolt Thrower mixed with early Incantation and that is a definite winner....

The new Embrace Of Thorns, as well really made an impact. I suspect that has more black metal elements for the scope of this discussion, but really is a great album.
Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: Wolfgang on April 07, 2012, 04:23:04 PM
I'm gonna check out Embrace of Thorns later. Appreciate the name drop sir.
Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: Eleison on April 07, 2012, 07:17:42 PM
I decided it was my turn to do some digging.  So far I've listened to one song each from the following bands...

Omision
Venenum
Horrendous
Tormented
Disfigured Dead
Karnarium
Lvcifyre
Wrathprayer
Hooded Menace
Gorephilia
Corpsessed
Bastard Priest
Claws
Invidious
Obliteration
Mandatory
Tribulation
Crucifiction
Hatespawn
Necrovorous
Kaamos
Drowned

Of those the only ones that interested me enough to download are...

Hooded Menace - Probably closer to doom metal, simple but good sense of melody and atmosphere
Gorephilia - Straight out of the old school, somewhat progressive approach
Obliteration - The most compositionally interesting of all, will require more careful listening

These were the most interesting, I'm also looking into...

Corpsessed
Bastard Priest - Regressive death metal that hasn't evolved beyond its influences, but done well enough to be enjoyable
Claws
Crucifiction - Reasonably creative br00thurl death metal.  Attempts to go beyond cyclic song structure.

If anyone has heard the above bands and could offer comment before I spend time listening to their albums it would be appreciated.  The rest of the bands are mostly just exercises in rock cliches, although I've singled out two for comment.

Wrathprayer and Hatespawn.  Both of these bands have good ideas and are technically competent, therefore they will be praised as geniuses by most of the metal community.  The only problem is they are incapable of incorporating these ideas into a coherent whole, instead each riff stands alone and never develops.  Probably a few of the bands fit into this category, although these are the two that stood out.  Half way through their songs I was feeling optimistic, but by the time the track was over I had lost interest.

Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: Wolfgang on April 08, 2012, 08:32:47 PM
Venenum's EP I have just gave a spin and liked quit a bit.

Gorephilia seemed ok, but pretty much stuck in the pack with a lot of the stuff out there today. I'll give it a couple more listens. Didn't sound too bad, didn't stand out. I don't know if based on what I heard this will be something I'd stick with very long.

Exceration - Odes of the Occult I listened to for the first time today after different friends of mine hyped it as one of the best if not the best 2011 albums and after a short adjustment period I was blown away. Check this shit out asap.

Necrowretch and Profaner were also recommended to me, and they're ok for what they are in this style, but neither left me craving for more.
Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: holy ghost on April 09, 2012, 08:12:19 AM
That Execration LP is fucking awesome. I always forget about them for some reason, but every time I spin the LP I'm really impressed. They did this 2x7" called OSLO WE ROT with Obituary parody artwork, I didn't find a copy but it was a really well executed idea.

I kind of forget to lump Necros Christos in with this genre since they're so unique, but it's worth mentioning I thought Doom Of The Occult was the best death metal record of 2011
Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: Wolfgang on April 09, 2012, 02:41:29 PM
I tried the Nekropsalms album from Obliteration and zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I'll try it again when I am in a different frame of mind but I couldn't even finish it.
Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: Phenoptosis on April 09, 2012, 09:41:50 PM
These are aesthetically enjoyable yet ultimately boring. I appreciate the effort, but the old style belongs to the old masters. Show me something new for fuck's sake.
Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: Iron on April 09, 2012, 10:19:18 PM
I tried the Nekropsalms album from Obliteration and zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I'll try it again when I am in a different frame of mind but I couldn't even finish it.


That was my initial reaction. Definitely not an immediate pleaser, but I've listened to it twice through now, and it's starting to unfold. I think I like it.
Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: Eleison on April 10, 2012, 04:31:10 AM
Venenum's EP I have just gave a spin and liked quit a bit.

This one seems good, I dismissed it initially but I gave it a good listen then and it is very engaging, good song development and atmosphere.

I tried the Nekropsalms album from Obliteration and zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I'll try it again when I am in a different frame of mind but I couldn't even finish it.


That was my initial reaction. Definitely not an immediate pleaser, but I've listened to it twice through now, and it's starting to unfold. I think I like it.

I like this one, although I need to listen a few more times to be sure, there seems to be something difficult to grasp about it.

Checked out Necros Christos, very cool, thoroughly enjoying their latest release.

Hooded Menace I don't really see the appeal of, it wasn't terrible but didn't really stand out in any way, wouldn't listen to this again.

Portals to the Beyond by Crucifiction has held up to a background listen, still not sure about this one.

Also going to check out Temple of Dark Offerings by Ascended later.  Sounds like a Demigod clone although done reasonably convincingly.
Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: Nightspirit on April 10, 2012, 07:55:20 AM
After letting it all sink in, my conclusion is that Grave Miasma still tops all of these other bands. I think that The Exalted Emanation is one of the best metal albums of the last decade. Where most of them ultimately come off like a kind of glorified ambient sort of metal (all aesthetic, tone, etc, no real syntax to speak of), The Exalted Emanation comes across as the development and conclusion of a thought. And it's a good thought.

Not that all that other stuff is bad. A lot of potential. High B scores. And Impetuous Ritual is like Portal with substance. Verdict is still out on its lasting value, though.

I agree on Grave Miasma somewhat but I find that fits Cruciamentum, especially on their first one, even more. A full album just like Convocation would probably be one of my favorite releases ever honestly.

I enjoy the new Cruciamentum EP more than the demo. It's definitely slammier and faster with better production, but I don't think it's a departure from the songwriting abilities at all. I hear some Bolt Thrower riffing start to creep into the sound, but I'm sure not complaining about that. I do tend to like these new-old school DM bands a lot, though I know the trend is bound to get annoying if it hasn't gotten that way already and I just haven't realized it myself at this point. I've always wondered what a slammier, percussive Incantation would sound like, that's just one of the reasons among the many I value my copy of the newest Cruciamentum EP and am looking forward to what the newer stuff will sound like.
Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: Wolfgang on April 10, 2012, 09:07:21 AM
After letting it all sink in, my conclusion is that Grave Miasma still tops all of these other bands. I think that The Exalted Emanation is one of the best metal albums of the last decade. Where most of them ultimately come off like a kind of glorified ambient sort of metal (all aesthetic, tone, etc, no real syntax to speak of), The Exalted Emanation comes across as the development and conclusion of a thought. And it's a good thought.

Not that all that other stuff is bad. A lot of potential. High B scores. And Impetuous Ritual is like Portal with substance. Verdict is still out on its lasting value, though.

I agree on Grave Miasma somewhat but I find that fits Cruciamentum, especially on their first one, even more. A full album just like Convocation would probably be one of my favorite releases ever honestly.

I enjoy the new Cruciamentum EP more than the demo. It's definitely slammier and faster with better production, but I don't think it's a departure from the songwriting abilities at all. I hear some Bolt Thrower riffing start to creep into the sound, but I'm sure not complaining about that. I do tend to like these new-old school DM bands a lot, though I know the trend is bound to get annoying if it hasn't gotten that way already and I just haven't realized it myself at this point. I've always wondered what a slammier, percussive Incantation would sound like, that's just one of the reasons among the many I value my copy of the newest Cruciamentum EP and am looking forward to what the newer stuff will sound like.

I quite like it too, and certainly don't see the song writing declining, I was just taken aback by the fact it is more similar to USDM, and lost some of the majestic feel I love with the first release so much. The last few weeks have seen me listen to a lot of more new death metal bands than I normally do, and as I hear more and more junk it makes Cruciamentum's new stuff shine even brighter. Like I said, it is still great, it is just my hope they rediscover that unique flavor that guided them to my ears in the first place.
Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: Tralfamadorian on April 10, 2012, 08:34:50 PM
The new Vallenfyre has had me hooked for the past few weeks, but repeated listening has begun to reveal its flaws. Its feels poppy and simple. The standout tracks like Desecration and Cathedrals of Dread prop up what is otherwise an album of filler.
Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: Conservationist on April 10, 2012, 08:41:37 PM
I wish bands would look back over their careers, take the stuff that wasn't filler, and shape it into one truly killer (A+) album instead of having six mediocre (B-) ones.
Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: Wolfgang on April 10, 2012, 11:43:30 PM
I wish bands would look back over their careers, take the stuff that wasn't filler, and shape it into one truly killer (A+) album instead of having six mediocre (B-) ones.

Like a best of rerecording?

Whenever bands try that they get butchered. Usually because they've lost their touch by the time this comes around, and these albums are seen as little more than cash grabs.
Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: Eleison on April 13, 2012, 01:41:28 AM
Updated short reviews.

Venenum - Venenum
This is very good.  Incorporates old-school death metal with some new ideas, ambitious song-writing and good sense of atmosphere.  Alot of potential here, hopefully a full-length is on the way.

Obliteration - Nekropslams
I like this, although it's nothing special.  Nothing really stands out from this album but it maintains a strong sense of mood throughout and the song-writing is interesting.

Crucifiction - Portals to the Beyond
Some good ideas but too disorganized.  A couple of tracks work well but other than that the riffs don't fit together organically and it just seems random.
Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: Annihilation on November 20, 2012, 09:11:11 PM
Recent "Old school" DM that still gets played by me:

Stench of Decay (Visions Beyond Death, 2nd demo)
Innumerable Forms
Disma

The rest hasn't aged well. I'll have to check out Venenum.
Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: Humanicide on December 09, 2012, 07:08:20 PM
Innumerable Forms needs to fucking record something else already. "Dark Worship" really holds up after repeated listens, I'd give it a solid B+, maybe even an A- on a generous day.

I'm still listening to Disma, Cruciamentum, and Dead Congregation pretty regularly. Father Befouled too - however their latest album is really weak compared to "Profano Ad Regnum" or "Obscurus Nex Cultus". I think they need to start varying it up a bit because the formula is wearing thin.

Ignivomous, Vasalaeth, Mandatory, Claws, Teitanblood - all bored the crap out of me.

Grave Miasma was particularly bad. Having a hard time believing some of these guys are in Cruciamentum. Necros Christos has cool ideas but their presentation doesn't do it for me.

Someone mentioned Impetuous Ritual earlier - I grabbed their album recently and was very impressed. It is indeed a more "structured" version of Portal. I'm still waiting to see if the impression will last, but it's been about a month or two and I find myself putting them on about once a week. We'll see.

I still need to give Vallenfyre a proper listen.
Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: Discharged on January 29, 2013, 04:19:34 PM
Dead Congregation, Funebrarum, Cruciamentum and Blaspherian; I all hold in high regards.

Having been into Dead Congregation since I remember hearing Graves of the Archangels for the first time in 08 when it came out, that album has won album of the year consistently (yeah, wrap your head around that one)

Funebrarum does nothing but destroy, I don't feel wanting more from the songs; just moar songs.

Cruciamentum is fantastic live and the two releases they made so far are killer, plus the split. Shame they are ending things so soon.

And finally, having hung out with and watched Blaspherian practice; they too are another "new" band but most definitely have their sights set for greater things. Wes has a top notch band of death warriors ready to total death strike at a moments notice.

the DM scene needs more rotten slimey original death metal and less goat worship/bo(war)e metal
Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: aquarius on January 30, 2013, 04:00:41 AM
I listen to Disma and to a lesser extent Blaspherian. Thevetat sounded good too!
Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: Humanicide on January 30, 2013, 10:25:30 AM
Dead Congregation, Funebrarum, Cruciamentum and Blaspherian; I all hold in high regards.

the DM scene needs more rotten slimey original death metal and less goat worship/bo(war)e metal

I agree with both statements!
Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: jcpcc14 on January 30, 2013, 11:50:36 AM
I like Funebrarum's debut a lot, but I don't see a ton of worth in their 2nd album...am I missing something? Seems like Incantation crossed with Swedeath that's a little too suffocating for listening.

Edit: This DOES sound better on good headphones than it did on my car speakers at least...
Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: Humanicide on January 30, 2013, 02:41:43 PM
I like Funebrarum's debut a lot, but I don't see a ton of worth in their 2nd album...am I missing something? Seems like Incantation crossed with Swedeath that's a little too suffocating for listening.

Edit: This DOES sound better on good headphones than it did on my car speakers at least...

It's the lesser album. You're right about the origins of the sound (I'd probably include that it sounds a little like Morpheus Descends at times too), but it's just not as good as the debut. The production is crisp but far too clear, and the songs are interesting but do not maintain the same dank, fetid atmosphere that the debut provides. "The Sleep of Morbid Dreams" is one of those not-bad-but-not-really-great albums. I find myself listening to it once in a while, but whether or not you keep it depends solely on your personal taste.
Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: Annihilation on January 30, 2013, 08:27:35 PM
Innumerable Forms needs to fucking record something else already. "Dark Worship" really holds up after repeated listens, I'd give it a solid B+, maybe even an A- on a generous day.

Frozen to Death (http://www51.zippyshare.com/v/17229411/file.html) [excerpt (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W2oxDuSx0A)]

Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: Discharged on January 30, 2013, 11:45:35 PM
Dead Congregation, Funebrarum, Cruciamentum and Blaspherian; I all hold in high regards.

the DM scene needs more rotten slimey original death metal and less goat worship/bo(war)e metal

I agree with both statements!

taking a shot in the dark here, Is Humancide actually Deadite aka Chris? from NYC? haha

But either way, fuck yeah man! hailz ha
Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: Annihilation on May 27, 2013, 07:36:10 PM
Living Decay!
Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: Othala on May 29, 2013, 01:44:04 PM
Morgengrau and Cruciamentum are great. I got to see the latter this weekend at MDF, and thanks to the semi-coherent hired goons that made up the venue security, I only caught the last song. (last show, too?)

Blessed Offal is one to hear, for sure. Increasingly great Death Metal in the vein of Incantation and maybe some older Finnish bands. They're also from Boston, where punk/hardcore influences are often to be found even in the most intricate of Metal. This is subtle for them, but adds a much more aggressive effect to the already cavernous riffing.... imagine being blindfolded and punched in the stomach repeatedly in a sewer tunnel. (unless you're into that kind of thing!)

Hopefully they'll have a full length out soon:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMV3UjoUedE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMV3UjoUedE)
Title: Re: New "Old School Death Metal"
Post by: Humanicide on May 29, 2013, 03:44:29 PM
Morgengrau and Cruciamentum are great. I got to see the latter this weekend at MDF, and thanks to the semi-coherent hired goons that made up the venue security, I only caught the last song. (last show, too?)

It was bullshit, right? I'm in the same boat. Missed them because of the moronic security.

I'll have to check out Morgengrau.