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Title: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Anonymous on July 23, 2011, 04:30:57 AM
Anders Breivik goes as a Martyr to join into the heaven besides the 11 brave people, who flew a plane into the two towers of american modern perversity.

Anders Breivik has written a little on this page :

http://www.document.no/anders-behring-breivik/

He shows an understanding of the historical facts about marxisme and of the decline of christianity and western society after the war.

He was a millionarie and business owner, university educatede in economics, a tall and beautiful bodybulider, and he was a farm owner in a small town outside Oslo.

In other words, he was a true heros and an idol for all rigthous men to follow.

(Out of the 91 people killed, 11 were homosexuals, and all were social democrats!)
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: E on July 23, 2011, 07:24:35 AM
(Out of the 91 people killed, 11 were homosexuals, and all were social democrats!)

And most were beautiful Norwegian kids aged 14-19. SERVES THEM RIGHT
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: August on July 23, 2011, 07:49:42 AM
(Out of the 91 people killed, 11 were homosexuals, and all were social democrats!)

He's pro-gay.

Anders Breivik (2009-09-14 10:57:20) -
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Vi må derfor sørge for å påvirke andre kulturkonservative til å komme på vår anti-rasistiske/pro-homser/pro-Israel linje.

"We must therefore make sure to influence other cultural conservatives to join our anti-rasistiske/PRO-GAY/pro-Israel line"

He is also anti Islam (regardless of its context), as well as a 32-year-old hardcore World of Warcraft fan - http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/927077585?page=1

The love around here for anything that has shock value is childish, and it's getting predictable. Is this 4chan? Honestly now, he would have received the anusian accolades even if he did this to promote ice cream.

Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Nimbostratus on July 23, 2011, 09:06:45 AM

And most were beautiful Norwegian kids aged 14-19. SERVES THEM RIGHT


He's pro-gay.

Anders Breivik (2009-09-14 10:57:20) -
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Vi må derfor sørge for å påvirke andre kulturkonservative til å komme på vår anti-rasistiske/pro-homser/pro-Israel linje.

"We must therefore make sure to influence other cultural conservatives to join our anti-rasistiske/PRO-GAY/pro-Israel line"

He is also anti Islam (regardless of its context), as well as a 32-year-old hardcore World of Warcraft fan - http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/927077585?page=1

The love around here for anything that has shock value is childish, and it's getting predictable. Is this 4chan? Honestly now, he would have received the anusian accolades even if he did this to promote ice cream.


Agree. I mean, me and others here, including writers, were leftists from 14 to 19 years old... who is not a liberal at that age? I don't care if this wingnut is slightly more literate than previous wingnuts in the similar vein, this guy was clearly resentful, and lacked a long term thinking for the cause. This guy harmed conservative movements, cowardly murdered innocent people, and praising him seems to me like a cheap bandwagon driven by resentful basement nerds who feel emotional sympathy for a loser. We are better than that.

The best thing is to clarify that this action was detestable, from either a right of left wing perspective, and criticize the media that wants to turn this to their own political interests in conspiratorial ways.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Umbrage on July 23, 2011, 09:29:39 AM
(Out of the 91 people killed, 11 were homosexuals, and all were social democrats!)

He's pro-gay.

Anders Breivik (2009-09-14 10:57:20) -
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Vi må derfor sørge for å påvirke andre kulturkonservative til å komme på vår anti-rasistiske/pro-homser/pro-Israel linje.

"We must therefore make sure to influence other cultural conservatives to join our anti-rasistiske/PRO-GAY/pro-Israel line"

He is also anti Islam (regardless of its context), as well as a 32-year-old hardcore World of Warcraft fan - http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/927077585?page=1

The love around here for anything that has shock value is childish, and it's getting predictable. Is this 4chan? Honestly now, he would have received the anusian accolades even if he did this to promote ice cream.



No this isn't 4chan. This is the internet. And if you want to have a socially safe conversation then I suggest you go to a local bar or a debate club or whatever. This is a forum where people shouldn't have to worry about offending others.

This terrorist strike is part of the rise of cultural clashes between liberalism, islam and socialism (which is much debated on anus.com and amerika.org) There's no need to ignore this "because we're tired of hearing about terrorists" If you want to stick your head in the sand then go ahead but don't force the rest of us to join you.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: hoodwink on July 23, 2011, 09:40:06 AM
you'll find that more often than not, the vast majority of these right wing crusaders who claim to be acting in pursuit of a world free of socialism or whatever hatred of economic policy is currently in vogue are being worked into a lather by plutocrats.  among the most virulent of class warriors, you'll find a comparable lack of judgement as far as the ability to discern where their raison d'etre(s) are originating.  marginal intellects are easily convinced that their governments are the cause of a society's ills, and while that may have been true several hundred years ago, the role of government has been relegated to little more than tackle dummy status.  the actual coordinators are doing their utmost to insure that people point their fingers everywhere in order to create a groundswell of sentiment against governments that stand in the way of plutocratic interests.  the easiest to mislead in this effort are people who believe they are acting to preserve bloodlines or ancient rites/rights; if I can convince you that your soul is being sullied by a group of corrupt public officials, you're quite likely to fall into line.  in reality, they're helping to do the same kind of dirty work that occurs every time a plane-full of Fusarium is dropped on Colombia.   the folks who do that work are fond of words like "social cleansing," too.  if one reads any of Mr. Breivik's provincial ramblings, you'll learn that he believes a so-called "super capitalist" economy ("such as the U.S.") is the best option for Europe.  this speaks to a staggering misunderstanding of capitalism and its eternal love affair with multiculturalism. 

what has struck me about the aftermath of yesterday's killing is the extraordinary naivete present in the words of the statements I've read online and elsewhere.  there seems to be a sincere level of shock that a beady-eyed Aryan could be responsible for the kind of death toll that's been reported.  this would seem to align rather favorably with the perception that all violent acts are perpetrated by people with dark skin (of course, we have a very wide range of historical data that contradicts this supposition). the most popular brown-skinned folks who seem to be responsible for each and every act of terror inflicted upon innocent white people hail from the middle east, and, logically, they were automatically the first suspects within minutes of the Oslo story going public.  if one is to read the many comments posted on other forums and websites hosted by the news media, you'll find scores of people who are unable to reckon that a fair-skinned person could harm anything.  we had to endure similar nonsense after the events in Oklahoma City over 15 years ago.  this cognitive dissonance will continue until the next filthy, dark-skinned man in a sheet shouting Allah Akbar kills a few dozen people and the natural order of white passivity can be restored.  
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: AnHero on July 23, 2011, 09:54:10 AM
[He is also] a 32-year-old hardcore World of Warcraft fan - http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/927077585?page=1

"Coservatism"

Does no one find eerie?

If I hadn't heard anything about this guy's personal life, I might have thought this was Conservationist.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Nimbostratus on July 23, 2011, 10:58:27 AM


The love around here for anything that has shock value is childish, and it's getting predictable. Is this 4chan? Honestly now, he would have received the anusian accolades even if he did this to promote ice cream.

In the modern sickness of liberalism, ice cream turns to be the epitome of a misled vir under the choco-chips of banality. Anders Breivik was fully aware of this, but was a victim of a world unable to appreciate the coldness of Reality, whether it comes from a dessert or a cascade of insightful consequentiality... both beyond the comprehension of the leftist psychology.  




No this isn't 4chan. This is the internet. And if you want to have a socially safe conversation then I suggest you go to a local bar or a debate club or whatever. This is a forum where people shouldn't have to worry about offending others.

This terrorist strike is part of the rise of cultural clashes between liberalism, islam and socialism (which is much debated on anus.com and amerika.org) There's no need to ignore this "because we're tired of hearing about terrorists" If you want to stick your head in the sand then go ahead but don't force the rest of us to join you.


It's not about offending, it's about not hiding idiotic blabber under the "coolness" of offense.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Anonymous on July 23, 2011, 11:45:23 AM
you'll find that more often than not, the vast majority of these right wing crusaders who claim to be acting in pursuit of a world free of socialism or whatever hatred of economic policy is currently in vogue are being worked into a lather by plutocrats.  among the most virulent of class warriors, you'll find a comparable lack of judgement as far as the ability to discern where their raison d'etre(s) are originating.  marginal intellects are easily convinced that their governments are the cause of a society's ills, and while that may have been true several hundred years ago, the role of government has been relegated to little more than tackle dummy status.  the actual coordinators are doing their utmost to insure that people point their fingers everywhere in order to create a groundswell of sentiment against governments that stand in the way of plutocratic interests.  the easiest to mislead in this effort are people who believe they are acting to preserve bloodlines or ancient rites/rights; if I can convince you that your soul is being sullied by a group of corrupt public officials, you're quite likely to fall into line.

Perhaps he is just a video game fan gone mad. We cannot really say, as he has not released a FC club style manifesto yet. But those random internet postings made it clear, that he had some understanding of the problem of cultural marxism(Frankfurter school,) which is probably the key problem of western civilization today.




Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: AnHero on July 23, 2011, 11:58:17 AM
marginal intellects are easily convinced that plutocrats (aristocrats) are the cause of a society's ills, and while that may have been true several hundred years ago, the role of plutocrats (aristocrats) has been relegated to little more than supermarket salesman status.

We could just as easily say this, no?

I think what's simple-minded is not pointing in one particular direction, but pointing in any single direction. Almost everyone I've spoken to either believes their problems are the result of the government or the wealthy elite. But aren't they the same group of people? How many leaders in international governments are not rich? How many rich people don't have a hand in the direction their country is going in?

I got tired of conspiracy theories the day I realized that it's not any one group of people causing what I perceive to be the world's problems. It's everyone. Including the government. Including the plutocrats. Including the demagogues who manipulate the common people. Including the common people who are so easily manipulated. Including the academics. Including the celebrities. Including the poor. Including me.

It's all part of the same self-reinforcing clusterfuck of a system.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: August on July 23, 2011, 12:01:14 PM
This terrorist strike is part of the rise of cultural clashes between liberalism, islam and socialism (which is much debated on anus.com and amerika.org) There's no need to ignore this "because we're tired of hearing about terrorists" If you want to stick your head in the sand then go ahead but don't force the rest of us to join you.

You seem to have missed my point. Is it sticking your head in the sand to call for a more mature approach to these topics? In light of what has happened, let's discuss e.g "the rise of cultural clashes between liberalism, islam and socialism", rather than write up this particular guy as a hero. Doing the latter is counterproductive and hurts this site's perceived legitimacy. How much of mainstream society do you hope to be taken seriously by (and thereby influence) with this shock rock approach?

As for the consequences of Breivik's actions, they too must be seen as counterproductive to his cause. Is there a better way to inspire sympathy for the marxists than to openly attack them like this? When this was going on I hoped for an international terror group to be behind this, as that would work against the multiculturalists.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Cargést on July 23, 2011, 12:49:09 PM
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Raiding old Naxxramas, BWL with 40 people was EPIC. Raiding with 10 ppl is fun as hell, but can never be compared with the epic feeling of killing Nefarion, Ragnaros or Nax bosses with 40 ppl. This changes everything, as you actually have to like the ppl you raid with now, negative and positive:D So with this indirect forced sozialisation of guilds, progression will be severely hit which may drive the most dedicated of all raiders away from WoW. Time will show if this will have a devastating negative impact on Blizzards income. I suspect it will, long term at least, which may end up breaking their hegemony within 24 months.

Misplaced interest, but that's a pretty astute observation to make about a company's policy changes.

I don't really care about the guy behind the shootings.  90 odd people were killed - 90 fewer for the world to deal with.  Of those 90, maybe one or two would have been worth having around in the future (though, given this was a ]i]Socialist Gathering[/i], that's even less likely).  I certainly won't miss them.  Well done, mass murderers.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Leperchaun on July 23, 2011, 02:29:24 PM
The most rational explanation so far is that the bombing was a mere diversion, as the real goal was to demoralize the Social Democratic party(and its smaller allies) and to kill as-many-as-possible of their future politicians.

The most intriguing characteristic about A.B.B. is that he doesn't seem to fit in any extremist mold, but seems just a person gone sick with the status quo.

IIRC, nobody has been executed in Norway since WW2, so he won't share the fate of Timothy McVeigh. The maximum prison sentence for anything in Norway is 21 years, which in this case would be ~84 days for every life he took.

As for the "millionaire" status, 1 Norwegian krone is ~0.185$. Some multiples of 185000$ would be an impressive wealth, but he probably isn't a millionaire in dollars/euros.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Anonymous on July 23, 2011, 04:02:49 PM
So he wrote a manifest after all. None less than 1500 pages :

http://hotfile.com/dl/124843184/2315d8e/2083-AEuropeanDeclarationofIndependence.docx.html

Random excerpt :
"
The Nazis destroyed the reputation of “eugenics” by combining it to scientific racism and mass extermination. But seeking biological perfection is still a logical concept and I don’t see why we should abandon it. We just have to make sure that we offer it as a voluntary option to everyone or at least start by legalising it (promotional voluntary reprogenetics or private reprogenetics). We should legalise reproductive technologies that will allow parents to create off spring with biological improvement (reprogenetics). This must be a non-coercive form of biological improvement which will be predominantly motivated by individual competitiveness and the desire to create the best opportunities for children.

[...]

The cultural conservatives guide to reduce pollution:

1.   All 2nd and 3rd world countries (where the average birth rate is above 2,1) are to implement 1 child policies until their country is stabilised in regards to financial outlooks and overconsumption, saving their forests etc. This will both solve their poverty problem and result in drastic cuts in global pollution due to the fact that the population (consumer) explosion will be reversed. You cannot have any hope of reducing global pollution unless you focus on reducing the current population explosion in 2nd and 3rd world countries. Any country that does not comply will not receive any incentives (aid, development funding/loans, and trade import/export concessions). This approach can also be used for giving these countries incentives to stop them from cutting down their forests.
"
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Nimbostratus on July 23, 2011, 05:42:36 PM
Oh, was he an eugenicist? GREAT! He fills the typical stereotype in the mind of anti-eugenecists. Now, once again, we know that eugenics is for wing-nuts, even if they distance themselves from nazis in their rethoric.

Thanks  Anders you dumb piece of shit.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: UmlautsForEnglish on July 23, 2011, 05:44:56 PM
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3.26 Avoiding suspicion from relatives, neighbours and friends

Present a ”credible project/alibi” to your friends, co-workers and family. Announce to your closest friends, co-workers and family that you are pursuing a ”project” that can at least partly justify your ”new pattern of activities” (isolation/travel) while in the planning phase.

For example, tell them that you have started to play World of Warcraft or any other online MMO game and that you wish to focus on this for the next months/year. This ”new project” can justify isolation and people will understand somewhat why you are not answering your phone over long periods. Tell them that you are completely hooked on the game (raiding dungeons etc). Emphasise to them that this is a dream you have had since you were a kid. If they stress you, insist and ask them to respect your decision. You will be amazed on how much you can do undetected while blaming this game. If your planning requires you to travel, say that you are visiting one of your WoW friends, or better yet, a girl from your ”guild” (who lives in another country). No further questions will be raised if you present these arguments.

Blaming WoW is also quite strategic due to another factor. It is usually considered ”tabu” or even shameful in our society today to be hooked on an MMO. By revealing ”this secret” to your close ones you are therefore (to them at least) entrusting them with your innermost secret. Usually they will ”contribute” to keeping this secret for you which can be very beneficial. (If people from your ”secondary” social circle ask them they will even usually ”lie” on your behalf (giving you alibi), in order to keep your MMO project a secret.

Genius way to take advantage of the perception of the modern loser.

Also,
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Say you think you are gay and are in the process of discovering your new self and that you don’t want to talk any more about this issue. Tell them that you are ashamed of it and you don’t want to talk any more about it. Make them swear to not tell anyone!  (your ego is likely to take a dent unless you are secure in your own heterosexuality, because they  will actually believe you are gay. However, it’s an extremely effective strategy for stopping questions and prevent people from digging in your life when you don’t want them to.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Cargést on July 23, 2011, 06:37:49 PM
Look at the number of weirdo hippy-liberal shits who have conned people into giving them all their money before committing suicide in order to reach "God".  Of course, cults are insidious enough to be relatively unnoticed - a shooting is ballsy as fuck, and is bound to garner attention.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: hoodwink on July 23, 2011, 06:56:52 PM

Perhaps he is just a video game fan gone mad. We cannot really say, as he has not released a FC club style manifesto yet. But those random internet postings made it clear, that he had some understanding of the problem of cultural marxism(Frankfurter school,) which is probably the key problem of western civilization today.


his alternative is to turn Europe into America - that's probably the single most untenable (and contradictory) model for progress imaginable.  whenever someone's alternative to (what he termed) Marxism is an even bigger capitalist construct, I'm led to wonder how much deeper that person's understanding of either topic really goes.  I don't doubt that he's managed to cobble a lot of information together from his thousands of hours spent web surfing, but having read through a lot of the text attributed to him, most of it reads like a cut & paste job.  I'd venture to say the most substantive thing he'd done with his life was to shoot a bunch of people.  while the merits of that act may be debatable to some, it strikes as more of a last gasp at relevance from a net geek than anything else.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: scourge on July 23, 2011, 07:09:32 PM
Thanks  Anders you dumb piece of shit.

Nationalist. Right winger. All of the clues point to American libertarian mimicry in Scandinavia gone wrong as would be expected. It's like German national socialism mimicry in an American midwest neo-nazi march. Ridiculous.

Super capitalism. Heredity is trivial however one effect of heritage, culture, is important. Freedom from... [insert laundry list of aggressive bullies that need to be brutalized all the time so you can stay free]. Eugenics as a consumer option.

The guy was just as batshit unhinged as Loughner who was (also) heavily informed by American libertarian leftist media. But unlike articulate yet contradictory Anders, Loughner was incoherent from having schizophrenia caused by allegedly drug addict parents.

Economic failure is pressure cooking the political. The least stable components of each political unit are making headlines. Enlightenment gave primacy to the economic while pluralizing the political. Small surprise the Enlightenment's own ideological children, including the existing mercantilist-managerial establishment are the most stressed.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: reasonable on July 23, 2011, 07:22:54 PM

I don't really care about the guy behind the shootings.  90 odd people were killed - 90 fewer for the world to deal with.  Of those 90, maybe one or two would have been worth having around in the future (though, given this was a ]i]Socialist Gathering[/i], that's even less likely).  I certainly won't miss them.  Well done, mass murderers.

Yeah, I can't understand why people disagree with me either. That's why I think it's cool when they get shot, including kids. I spent approximately five seconds formulating this opinion.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: istaros on July 23, 2011, 07:49:02 PM
his alternative is to turn Europe into America - that's probably the single most untenable (and contradictory) model for progress imaginable.  whenever someone's alternative to (what he termed) Marxism is an even bigger capitalist construct, I'm led to wonder how much deeper that person's understanding of either topic really goes.
Capitalist tendencies alone aren't to blame for the USA's failings - it's possible that they would lead to much better results when applied to a nation that actually has long-standing cultural traditions, as opposed to a fledgling colony made up of multiple expatriates, most of whom were opportunists. Just a thought.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: JewishPhysics on July 23, 2011, 07:53:08 PM
So this fairly bright and clearly determined young man decided to show the extremists of his country the error of their ways by blowing up a government building and then shooting 80+ teenagers.  And they were all his fellow countrymen, not one a member of the immigrant population he so feared.  How politically correct of him.

Yes, I understand all the real issues behind this event, but seriously, fuck this guy.  He's also effectively killed any hope for a real Nationalist movement in Norway.  Yeah, definitely fuck this guy.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: hoodwink on July 23, 2011, 09:43:58 PM
his alternative is to turn Europe into America - that's probably the single most untenable (and contradictory) model for progress imaginable.  whenever someone's alternative to (what he termed) Marxism is an even bigger capitalist construct, I'm led to wonder how much deeper that person's understanding of either topic really goes.
Capitalist tendencies alone aren't to blame for the USA's failings - it's possible that they would lead to much better results when applied to a nation that actually has long-standing cultural traditions, as opposed to a fledgling colony made up of multiple expatriates, most of whom were opportunists. Just a thought.

those "long-stand cultural traditions" don't jive with a system whose aim is to replace all evidence of customs, tradition and nationalistic pride with business ventures.  capitalism is a system that will function best in an environment where notions like identity don't figure into the mix because the goal is a homogenized mass. the multiculturalism that many of the members of this forum deem egregious is the most successful social component reared by capitalism; as capitalism becomes more expansive, the need for a faceless labor force populated by undereducated foreigners will continued to expand geometrically.  in order to realize the need for lower cost variable capital, your best means of getting there is widening the talent pool in the name of multiculturalism. 
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Anonymous on July 24, 2011, 01:27:52 AM
Yes, the book seems to mostly be copypastnings from the internet.

In the Q/A section he reveals himself to be somewhat of an idiot. He spent his youth as "one of east Oslos most notorious hip hop gangsters. " And he confirms to be a hardcore Warcraft fan.

All in all he seems to be a typical neoconservative anti muslim type, and not the saviour, we had hoped for, only difference is, that he went on a killing spree.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: celebrity death camp on July 24, 2011, 02:00:18 AM
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2.86 Conflict avoidance and how to avoid it

I’ve chosen to include the following essay as it shows how extreme egalitarianism (extreme equality) rots a society from within. In our quest to appease everyone we are destroying the principles, doctrines and cultures that made us exceptional in the first place. Our traditional rather cynical and Spartan values, which resulted in that Europe became the cradle of civilisation, have been allowed to develop into excessive decadence.

By Brett Stevens

On page 689.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: on July 24, 2011, 04:25:56 AM
So another little sissy baby throws his toys out of the pram. He claimed to want a revolution in Norway, but sought no popular support. How is that a revolution? That is just one adult man throwing a tantrum.

I do not believe that he just used video games as a convenient alibi, I believe he was a lifeless nerd who finally snapped when he woke up one morning and realised his entire life was invested in some pixels. His facebook profile before it was taken down talked about 14000 hours of study "equivalent" to two bachelor's degrees. Not actual degrees. He awarded himself qualifications. What a fucking joker. His "multimillion dollar" enterprise appears to perhaps have been invented: there is little tangible trace of it anywhere.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Cargést on July 24, 2011, 04:47:34 AM
Yeah, I can't understand why people disagree with me either. That's why I think it's cool when they get shot, including kids. I spent approximately five seconds formulating this opinion.

I don't care whether people "disagree with me" or not, either.  I don't like people, in general - they're oafish, uncalculating, well-meaning waste.  The fewer we have of them, the better.  It's not "cool", it's fucking true.

Don't be an ass.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: TableauxParisiens on July 24, 2011, 05:42:35 AM
ANUS always makes me feel better about myself, as if I am a dragonfly soaring over an ant-hive of repulsive turds. Marx has contributed more to intellectual thought than a million Anders Breivik's and fellow ANUSites combined. If anything, we should shoot 92 of these conservative nut-jobs as revenge for the innocent children he has destroyed.

Yeah, I can't understand why people disagree with me either. That's why I think it's cool when they get shot, including kids. I spent approximately five seconds formulating this opinion.

I don't care whether people "disagree with me" or not, either.  I don't like people, in general - they're oafish, uncalculating, well-meaning waste.  The fewer we have of them, the better.  It's not "cool", it's fucking true.

Don't be an ass.

You seem to be a prime candidate for extermination. A better world with one less Cargést in it.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Eleison on July 24, 2011, 05:58:46 AM
ANUS always makes me feel better about myself, as if I am a dragonfly soaring over an ant-hive of repulsive turds. Marx has contributed more to intellectual thought than a million Anders Breivik's and fellow ANUSites combined. If anything, we should shoot 92 of these conservative nut-jobs as revenge for the innocent children he has destroyed.

Yeah, I can't understand why people disagree with me either. That's why I think it's cool when they get shot, including kids. I spent approximately five seconds formulating this opinion.

I don't care whether people "disagree with me" or not, either.  I don't like people, in general - they're oafish, uncalculating, well-meaning waste.  The fewer we have of them, the better.  It's not "cool", it's fucking true.

Don't be an ass.

You seem to be a prime candidate for extermination. A better world with one less Cargést in it.

So you're ok with mass extermination provided that you have a personal dislike for the victims?
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: on July 24, 2011, 06:24:09 AM
ANUS always makes me feel better about myself, as if I am a dragonfly soaring over an ant-hive of repulsive turds. Marx has contributed more to intellectual thought than a million Anders Breivik's and fellow ANUSites combined. If anything, we should shoot 92 of these conservative nut-jobs as revenge for the innocent children he has destroyed.

Yeah, I can't understand why people disagree with me either. That's why I think it's cool when they get shot, including kids. I spent approximately five seconds formulating this opinion.

I don't care whether people "disagree with me" or not, either.  I don't like people, in general - they're oafish, uncalculating, well-meaning waste.  The fewer we have of them, the better.  It's not "cool", it's fucking true.

Don't be an ass.

You seem to be a prime candidate for extermination. A better world with one less Cargést in it.

So you're ok with mass extermination provided that you have a personal dislike for the victims?
Put like that, it now seems like a ridiculous and pathetic idea!

Now, if only we could teach the kids irony.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: TableauxParisiens on July 24, 2011, 06:40:12 AM
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So you're ok with mass extermination provided that you have a personal dislike for the victims?

Notice the absence of the word mass. Notice sarcasm.

Also, as noted before, Anders is an emotional reject (read parts of the biography in his manifesto) with no life (lvl 85 character in World of Warcraft):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOS3dYUK4js

Not to mention he's a Christian fundamentalist that spent 15000 hours studying religion (what a waste of time!).
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Umbrage on July 24, 2011, 07:31:39 AM
Wow, so many emotional arguments in this thread... You guys are calling Anders anything from a liberal extremist to a fundamentalist christian, it makes this forum seem like any random mainstream website filled with clueless morons! And the best part is when people claim that the actions of Anders somehow obstructed their own political fight. So tell me, what are the results of your political efforts? Did you make international front-page news lately? I don't think so...

If anything the responses here just make me admire Anders even more. He must have been at least 5 years ahead of his time. He was a REVOLUTIONARY, something that most of you apparently are afraid of: actual change, not just the socializing part of a movement. Oh and what are you here to do? Just socializing of course...

At least Cargest is honest and doesn't care about society's taboos. But most of you seem brainwashed with the typical vindictive judeo-christian passive aggressive humanism that anus.com has taken so many stances against. "DUURRRR HE HURT PEOPLE SO IF YOU AGREE THEN MAYBE SOMEONE SHOULD SHOOT YOU TOO!!1 DERP!"

There's an emotional side to this story and there's the rational side. Most of you are on the emotional side riding the waves like an emo-surfer. If people like me deserve to die for seeing anything positive in the brave deeds of Anders Breivik then by Satan I hope your last tears will never be shed. You simply do not deserve comfort and happiness if you're unwilling to suffer and make sacrifices for them. Stop acting like spoiled little children.

Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: TableauxParisiens on July 24, 2011, 08:04:01 AM
What is my emotional 'Judeo-Christian' mentality? That I label this fool as a neurotic, that everything he stands for, including his Judeo-Christian sentiments, is completely repulsive to me? Of course a few of us are pissed off that this moron killed 93 random children for something as ludicrous and lacking in reason as 'a war against cultural Marxism'. Where the hell, except for in his inane conclusions, has this pervasive cultural Marxism existed apart from outsider countries like the USSR in mainly the 30s (not to mention 'Staliniism' was a butchering of Marx..)? The guy's clearly a waste of evolution.

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At least Cargest is honest and doesn't care about society's taboos.
All hail Cargest!
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: on July 24, 2011, 08:20:35 AM
Wow, so many emotional arguments in this thread... You guys are calling Anders anything from a liberal extremist to a fundamentalist christian, it makes this forum seem like any random mainstream website filled with clueless morons! And the best part is when people claim that the actions of Anders somehow obstructed their own political fight. So tell me, what are the results of your political efforts? Did you make international front-page news lately? I don't think so...

If anything the responses here just make me admire Anders even more. He must have been at least 5 years ahead of his time. He was a REVOLUTIONARY, something that most of you apparently are afraid of: actual change, not just the socializing part of a movement. Oh and what are you here to do? Just socializing of course...

At least Cargest is honest and doesn't care about society's taboos. But most of you seem brainwashed with the typical vindictive judeo-christian passive aggressive humanism that anus.com has taken so many stances against. "DUURRRR HE HURT PEOPLE SO IF YOU AGREE THEN MAYBE SOMEONE SHOULD SHOOT YOU TOO!!1 DERP!"

There's an emotional side to this story and there's the rational side. Most of you are on the emotional side riding the waves like an emo-surfer. If people like me deserve to die for seeing anything positive in the brave deeds of Anders Breivik then by Satan I hope your last tears will never be shed. You simply do not deserve comfort and happiness if you're unwilling to suffer and make sacrifices for them. Stop acting like spoiled little children.



Can you please start limiting your angry faggotry to just a couple of sentences in future?

The dude that did this lived in a fantasy world. He recycled Other People's Ideas(tm) whilst clearly not comprehending any of it. Just look at the quoted extract earlier where his writing identifies a weakness of Nazism being its tasteless actions. Then think what he did. He clearly had no idea of what he had been reading and recycling.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: scourge on July 24, 2011, 08:39:47 AM
I see a Jared Loughner copycat complete with American libertarian-left ideological distortions minus the schizophrenia, plus Wilders for regional context which adds muslims to the laundry list of those who hate our freedoms.

Most of you are on the emotional side riding the waves like an emo-surfer.

This is excellent sig material.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Cargést on July 24, 2011, 09:30:31 AM
The "emotional" people on this thread have forgotten/never learned fundamental premises which we should all have accepted by now (how long have you people been inside the ANUS?).  In no particular order: Life and Death are equally sacred; il messaggero no e importante; everything is relative beyond the objective.  Objectively speaking, one man killed ninety odd people.  Emotionally speaking, this is ("could be construed to be") a horrible event which just serves to place people against those with similar views as this man, because obviously crackpots who latch onto extremist ideas are emblematic of the true members of groups who follow such ideas.

What a load of fucking bullshit.  Give me the objective perspective any day.  My own emotional response to this is FUCK YES, PEOPLE DIED.  DEATH IS GOOD.  I LIKE DEATH (NOT THE BAND, THE TERMINATION OF LIFE). /capslock

I would never have expected people here to get butthurt over that kind of sentiment, just as I would never have expected people here to give two shits about this faggot or his garbled recycling of good ideas.  He killed a fucktonne of people - that's good.  Forget the reasons for which he did it, forget the people who died, forget all of that circumstantial bullshit, and recognise that a miniscule dent was made in the human population of this planet by one man.  To be cliché: that's fucking Metal, man.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Nimbostratus on July 24, 2011, 10:16:15 AM
If anything the responses here just make me admire Anders even more. He must have been at least 5 years ahead of his time. He was a REVOLUTIONARY, something that most of you apparently are afraid of: actual change, not just the socializing part of a movement. Oh and what are you here to do? Just socializing of course...

You are a toilet cleaner with an Internet connection. You don't know a thing about current Politics or History. You're the kind of guy that Anders is: a resentful idiot that in his ignorance and stupidity thought that shooting 92 people was the only choice. People like you have two options: cleaning toilets while you alleviate your existence with drugs/virtual lives,,, or TEH REVOLUTION!!1!  But that's because you have no other capacities... that's why you sympathize with this loser.

Anders is a piece of shit, despite he being an "anti-egalitarian". I prefer peasant communist revolutionaries, they are not such cowards.



What a load of fucking bullshit.  Give me the objective perspective any day.  My own emotional response to this is FUCK YES, PEOPLE DIED.  DEATH IS GOOD.  I LIKE DEATH (NOT THE BAND, THE TERMINATION OF LIFE). /capslock

Ha, "Objective". You're using terms you don't know too well. Earth population - 92 = objectively good. Good for what? Does the universe get better for having -92 persons? What "objects" are you talking about?

Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: on July 24, 2011, 10:34:36 AM
If anything the responses here just make me admire Anders even more. He must have been at least 5 years ahead of his time. He was a REVOLUTIONARY, something that most of you apparently are afraid of: actual change, not just the socializing part of a movement. Oh and what are you here to do? Just socializing of course...
You are a toilet cleaner with an Internet connection.
This is even better sig material
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: hoodwink on July 24, 2011, 10:43:57 AM
Yes, the book seems to mostly be copypastnings from the internet.

and to further that point:

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=no&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=no&tl=en&u=http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/norge/1.7725223

Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Umbrage on July 24, 2011, 10:55:41 AM
If anything the responses here just make me admire Anders even more. He must have been at least 5 years ahead of his time. He was a REVOLUTIONARY, something that most of you apparently are afraid of: actual change, not just the socializing part of a movement. Oh and what are you here to do? Just socializing of course...
You are a toilet cleaner with an Internet connection.
This is even better sig material

Indeed, because if "toilet cleaner" is part of your vocabulary that would suggest you've had a poor education (or you're Polish)
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: nothingnowhere on July 24, 2011, 12:56:05 PM
You simply do not deserve comfort and happiness if you're unwilling to suffer and make sacrifices for them.

...by taking the easy way out and throwing a temper tantrum with an assault rifle, rather than doing the actual work, suffering, and self-sacrificing effort of having a positive effect on the world.

I'm not crying over the fact that this happened, but this guy didn't do anything admirable or useful.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Cargést on July 24, 2011, 01:03:11 PM

What a load of fucking bullshit.  Give me the objective perspective any day.  My own emotional response to this is FUCK YES, PEOPLE DIED.  DEATH IS GOOD.  I LIKE DEATH (NOT THE BAND, THE TERMINATION OF LIFE). /capslock

Ha, "Objective". You're using terms you don't know too well. Earth population - 92 = objectively good. Good for what? Does the universe get better for having -92 persons? What "objects" are you talking about?

You're misunderstanding (maybe I should've been clearer) - my emotional response is not objective.  How could it be?  My emotions are my emotions: they are, by definition, subjective.  There is no "objectively good" (where did I say that?).

The objective perspective is the one I offered earlier: a man killed 90 odd people, plain and simple.  Such is the culmination of the events of this scenario!  I'd prefer a simple acceptance of this fact to the "hurr durr so bad so mny ppl ded now i crey" perspective being championed here (don't take the bait, people, please).
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Nimbostratus on July 24, 2011, 01:26:45 PM

What a load of fucking bullshit.  Give me the objective perspective any day.  My own emotional response to this is FUCK YES, PEOPLE DIED.  DEATH IS GOOD.  I LIKE DEATH (NOT THE BAND, THE TERMINATION OF LIFE). /capslock

Ha, "Objective". You're using terms you don't know too well. Earth population - 92 = objectively good. Good for what? Does the universe get better for having -92 persons? What "objects" are you talking about?

You're misunderstanding (maybe I should've been clearer) - my emotional response is not objective.  How could it be?  My emotions are my emotions: they are, by definition, subjective.  There is no "objectively good" (where did I say that?).

The objective perspective is the one I offered earlier: a man killed 90 odd people, plain and simple.  Such is the culmination of the events of this scenario!  I'd prefer a simple acceptance of this fact to the "hurr durr so bad so mny ppl ded now i crey" perspective being championed here (don't take the bait, people, please).

Now you're making less sense. "Objectively good", in any case, would mean that this event was socially beneficial (which was not). Now you're telling that, objectively, a man killed 90 people, what's your next objective affirmation? Sky is blue and grass is green?
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Leperchaun on July 24, 2011, 02:27:06 PM
From his music recommendations:
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Saga is a courageous, Swedish, female nationalist-oriented musician who creates pop-music with
patriotic texts. She is, as far as I know, the best and most talented patriotic musician in the English
speaking world. And for those of you, like myself, who hates “metal”, Saga is one of the few
sources available that offers quality patriotic pop-music with brilliant texts. Most of the tracks are in
English and some are in Swedish.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Transcix on July 24, 2011, 03:03:01 PM
He was a tall and beautiful bodybulider

I think someone has a crush...

Anyways I'm not offended by this thing in Norway or making light of it, nor do I label it as "terrorism", but if there's any value in Breivik's actions it certainly did not shine through the obscurant poverty of Anonymous' original post, which is ironic and sad. Delicate, controversial and existentially profound subject matter requires serious and adept treatment in order for 'alternative' / non-mainstream perspectives about it to be constructive and persuasive.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Cargést on July 24, 2011, 03:20:47 PM
Now you're making less sense. "Objectively good", in any case, would mean that this event was socially beneficial (which was not).

NOPE.  WRONG.  "OBJECTIVELY GOOD" DOES NOT EXIST.  GO BACK TO NIHILISM 101.

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Now you're telling that, objectively, a man killed 90 people, what's your next objective affirmation? Sky is blue and grass is green?

Well, if we can agree on what "sky", "blue", "grass", and "green" are, I don't see why not.  That's pretty damn objective.  I'll give you another one: "things exist".

Objectivity is recognition of facts without clouding through judgment/perception.  How do you not know this?
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Olestra on July 24, 2011, 03:47:06 PM
The "emotional" people on this thread have forgotten/never learned fundamental premises which we should all have accepted by now (how long have you people been inside the ANUS?).  In no particular order: Life and Death are equally sacred; il messaggero no e importante; everything is relative beyond the objective.  Objectively speaking, one man killed ninety odd people.  Emotionally speaking, this is ("could be construed to be") a horrible event which just serves to place people against those with similar views as this man, because obviously crackpots who latch onto extremist ideas are emblematic of the true members of groups who follow such ideas.

What a load of fucking bullshit.  Give me the objective perspective any day.  My own emotional response to this is FUCK YES, PEOPLE DIED.  DEATH IS GOOD.  I LIKE DEATH (NOT THE BAND, THE TERMINATION OF LIFE). /capslock

I would never have expected people here to get butthurt over that kind of sentiment, just as I would never have expected people here to give two shits about this faggot or his garbled recycling of good ideas.  He killed a fucktonne of people - that's good.  Forget the reasons for which he did it, forget the people who died, forget all of that circumstantial bullshit, and recognise that a miniscule dent was made in the human population of this planet by one man.  To be cliché: that's fucking Metal, man.

Does it not therefore follow that this whole discussion is an irrelevance?  We might as well discuss the implications of the piss I just took in the ocean with regards to global sea levels
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Cargést on July 24, 2011, 04:14:18 PM
Does it not therefore follow that this whole discussion is an irrelevance?  We might as well discuss the implications of the piss I just took in the ocean with regards to global sea levels


Pretty much.  The vast majority of what's discussed on these forums is of no real importance.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Olestra on July 24, 2011, 07:03:41 PM
Does it not therefore follow that this whole discussion is an irrelevance?  We might as well discuss the implications of the piss I just took in the ocean with regards to global sea levels


Pretty much.  The vast majority of what's discussed on these forums is of no real importance.

Well of course - talk alone only takes you so far.

The point I was making was really in reference to your previous post. If we strip back the morality (whether you think this is a great tragedy or a hilarious massacre) a few dozen people were killed by a semi-coherent ideologue. So what?

We'll see the usual fear induced reaction from the authorities and public who will completely fail to understand why this happened and some PR pleasing but completely ineffectual measures will be taken to 'prevent this from happening again'.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Anonymous on July 24, 2011, 08:08:36 PM
He was a tall and beautiful bodybulider

I think someone has a crush...

Anyways I'm not offended by this thing in Norway or making light of it, nor do I label it as "terrorism", but if there's any value in Breivik's actions it certainly did not shine through the obscurant poverty of Anonymous' original post, which is ironic and sad. Delicate, controversial and existentially profound subject matter requires serious and adept treatment in order for 'alternative' / non-mainstream perspectives about it to be constructive and persuasive.

In fact it now is clear, that none of the claims about his person are true, but that he was a computer game player living in his mothers basement.

He did anabolic steroids and he even most likely photoshop manipulated the images of himself.

He didn't have anything original to say, even if he was somewhat articulate in the Norwegian posts.

So there is no further reason to discuss this mediocre guys opinions.

Instead you should now point out the obscurant poverty of people praising Ceasar and Napoleon, whose massacres were of a much grander scale.


If there is one thing, the Norwegian socialdemocratic youths can learn from this, it is, that war and violence is not something only found in history books. And Anders Breiviks gift to them is to wake a few hipsters on picnic up to reality.








Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Transcix on July 24, 2011, 10:18:10 PM
And Anders Breiviks gift to them is to wake a few hipsters on picnic up to reality.

Unfortunately I fear he has succeeded only in polarizing people more towards blind patriotism and religion.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Umbrage on July 25, 2011, 01:57:44 AM
He was a tall and beautiful bodybulider

I think someone has a crush...

Anyways I'm not offended by this thing in Norway or making light of it, nor do I label it as "terrorism", but if there's any value in Breivik's actions it certainly did not shine through the obscurant poverty of Anonymous' original post, which is ironic and sad. Delicate, controversial and existentially profound subject matter requires serious and adept treatment in order for 'alternative' / non-mainstream perspectives about it to be constructive and persuasive.

In fact it now is clear, that none of the claims about his person are true, but that he was a computer game player living in his mothers basement.

He did anabolic steroids and he even most likely photoshop manipulated the images of himself.

He didn't have anything original to say, even if he was somewhat articulate in the Norwegian posts.

So there is no further reason to discuss this mediocre guys opinions.

Instead you should now point out the obscurant poverty of people praising Ceasar and Napoleon, whose massacres were of a much grander scale.


If there is one thing, the Norwegian socialdemocratic youths can learn from this, it is, that war and violence is not something only found in history books. And Anders Breiviks gift to them is to wake a few hipsters on picnic up to reality.


And if there's one thing that I've learned from this, it is, that there are some extreme faggots on this forum. They intellectualize their faggotry but that doesn't make them any less of a faggot.


You simply do not deserve comfort and happiness if you're unwilling to suffer and make sacrifices for them.

...by taking the easy way out and throwing a temper tantrum with an assault rifle, rather than doing the actual work, suffering, and self-sacrificing effort of having a positive effect on the world.

I'm not crying over the fact that this happened, but this guy didn't do anything admirable or useful.

The easy way out? Are you actually suggesting that sitting behind a pc all day is "the positive way bro" and going through the trouble of detonating bombs in a government building while personally killing 82 people is the "easy way"? That's the sort of bullshit that is rampant throughout this entire thread. It's almost as if people are jealous or afraid of someone actually getting some work done. Who the hell are you to pretend you're better than Anders? What, you have a blog that's read by maybe 20 people each week? You spoke in class about how multiculturalism fails and you managed to get some people's attention for 10 minutes? Or you have better taste in music? You're acting like fools.

Anders simply wanted to show white people that they can have their revolution too, just like 9/11 was a wake-up call to many muslims. Aawww, does a real revolution scare you? Chickenshit conformist like your parents... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMEgGGnZ43Y)
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: E on July 25, 2011, 02:07:42 AM
Rudely wakened liberals: 'HEEELP! The wax statues of ill-defined political persuasion are coming to kill us, we all gonna dieeeeee!!11!1'

No, this was an act so absurdly mis-targeted it doesn't even terrify anyone except the personally involved.

And if there's one thing that I've learned from this, it is, that there are some extreme faggots on this forum. They intellectualize their faggotry but that doesn't make them any less of a faggot.

The place is infested with dysthymic apocalypticists too; they show their true face as they naturally gravitate towards idiot 'revolutionaries'.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Umbrage on July 25, 2011, 02:24:22 AM
Rudely wakened liberals: 'HEEELP! The wax statues of ill-defined political persuasion are coming to kill us, we all gonna dieeeeee!!11!1'

No, this was an act so absurdly mis-targeted it doesn't even terrify anyone except the personally involved.

And if there's one thing that I've learned from this, it is, that there are some extreme faggots on this forum. They intellectualize their faggotry but that doesn't make them any less of a faggot.

The place is infested with dysthymic apocalypticists too; they show their true face as they naturally gravitate towards idiot 'revolutionaries'.

Yay more anger, more emotions, and less rationalism again!

It's the socialists who support Islam in Europe. Anders went for the right target. He even tried killing the prime-minister! He was Norwegian, didn't like the way their government was running things, their government is socialist, so he attacked the socialists. What's mis-targeted about that? Would you have been happier if he would have thrown some molotov cocktails at a few mosques instead? The Islamists just want to keep their own culture, nothing wrong with that. The European socialists however want to destroy white culture. Guess who the real enemy is?
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Cargést on July 25, 2011, 02:46:23 AM
The Islamists just want to keep their own culture, nothing wrong with that. The European socialists however want to destroy white culture. Guess who the real enemy is?

This is the often overlooked truth of the "Islamification" of Europe: it's the Europeans that are making it happen, not the Muslims.  Lax immigration laws, coupled with a fear of appearing RACITS!!1!11, have caused nations to kowtow to foreign populations within their borders.  Hell, if I lived in the Middle East, and they said "do what you want to our country, we won't bat an eyelid", I'd go in for the kill too.  Life is War.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Nimbostratus on July 25, 2011, 03:20:31 AM

Yay more anger, more emotions, and less rationalism again!

It's the socialists who support Islam in Europe. Anders went for the right target. He even tried killing the prime-minister! He was Norwegian, didn't like the way their government was running things, their government is socialist, so he attacked the socialists. What's mis-targeted about that? Would you have been happier if he would have thrown some molotov cocktails at a few mosques instead? The Islamists just want to keep their own culture, nothing wrong with that. The European socialists however want to destroy white culture. Guess who the real enemy is?


Rationalism... damn, you don't even know the term if you inserted it there. And then you go to a straw man, alleging, through a pathetic sarcasm , that we are arguing ad misericordiam.

It's soooo stupid to think that killing some socialist teenagers in such isolated way will help in any way to end socialism, "ideas" don't die like that, if you have the proper historical understanding of mentalities. You have a deep misunderstanding of revolutions if you think that this is a genuine revolutionary act, because this will NOT provoke a sudden change in the structures of power. Neither Kaczynski or Tim McVeigh were revolutionaries, despite being "political", even less Anders with that shit of manifesto. These are politicized forms of violence, but have not the organizational constitution of revolutions. Perhaps myself and others are just wasting our time with you, I'm honestly thinking that you're an idiot, although you will hardly realize it. Not ad hominem, just the truth.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Umbrage on July 25, 2011, 03:42:17 AM

Yay more anger, more emotions, and less rationalism again!

It's the socialists who support Islam in Europe. Anders went for the right target. He even tried killing the prime-minister! He was Norwegian, didn't like the way their government was running things, their government is socialist, so he attacked the socialists. What's mis-targeted about that? Would you have been happier if he would have thrown some molotov cocktails at a few mosques instead? The Islamists just want to keep their own culture, nothing wrong with that. The European socialists however want to destroy white culture. Guess who the real enemy is?


Rationalism... damn, you don't even know the term if you inserted it there. And then you go to a straw man, alleging, through a pathetic sarcasm , that we are arguing ad misericordiam.

It's soooo stupid to think that killing some socialists will help in any way to end socialism, "ideas" don't die like that, if you have the proper historical understanding of mentalities. You have a deep misunderstanding of revolutions if you think that this is a genuine revolutionary act, because this will NOT provoke a sudden change in the structures of power. Neither Kaczynski or Tim McVeigh were revolutionaries, despite being "political", even less Anders with that shit of manifesto. These are politicized forms of violence, but have not the organizational constitution of revolutions. Perhaps myself and others are just wasting our time with you, I'm honestly thinking that you're an idiot, although you will hardly realize it. Not ad hominem, just the truth.

Yes you're wasting your time because if you keep calling me idiot/stupid/moron/etc then obviously you will not be having a rational discussion and never get your point across anyway. You're just trying to make yourself seem smarter than others but you have nothing substantial to say, if you did then you wouldn't have to go down the road you're taking. You must be very insecure to be defending your opinions like you do.

Anders Breivik did want people to follow his example. In that sense he is a martyr and a revolutionary. The OP did want to provoke the people on this forum and he succeeded. You took the bait and have effectively been trolled. Now go and hold hands together and cry for the loss of innocent socialist children, cry for the damage this has done to "your" cause, cry because someone somewhere sees things differently than you. You are truly misunderstood geniuses and the world owes you so much because you exist. There, feel better now?
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: nothingnowhere on July 25, 2011, 06:27:42 AM
You simply do not deserve comfort and happiness if you're unwilling to suffer and make sacrifices for them.

...by taking the easy way out and throwing a temper tantrum with an assault rifle, rather than doing the actual work, suffering, and self-sacrificing effort of having a positive effect on the world.

I'm not crying over the fact that this happened, but this guy didn't do anything admirable or useful.

The easy way out? Are you actually suggesting that sitting behind a pc all day is "the positive way bro" and going through the trouble of detonating bombs in a government building while personally killing 82 people is the "easy way"? That's the sort of bullshit that is rampant throughout this entire thread. It's almost as if people are jealous or afraid of someone actually getting some work done. Who the hell are you to pretend you're better than Anders? What, you have a blog that's read by maybe 20 people each week? You spoke in class about how multiculturalism fails and you managed to get some people's attention for 10 minutes? Or you have better taste in music? You're acting like fools.

Anders simply wanted to show white people that they can have their revolution too, just like 9/11 was a wake-up call to many muslims. Aawww, does a real revolution scare you? Chickenshit conformist like your parents... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMEgGGnZ43Y)

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html

There is no real revolution here, that would have taken creativity and the ability to work with other people.

 I really don't care that he killed anyone and I'm not condemning him, like I said, I'm not crying over it, and I don't think people have to follow a set of rules or be "peaceful" to make change. It's obvious that he was only a reactionary, not someone that actually gets things done.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: JewishPhysics on July 25, 2011, 07:23:14 AM
"OBJECTIVELY GOOD" DOES NOT EXIST.  GO BACK TO NIHILISM 101.

...

Objectivity is recognition of facts without clouding through judgment/perception.  How do you not know this?
At first I thought you were confusing the terms objective and intrinsic, but it appears you've amalgamated them.  Things can be determined to be objectively good as long as you have a coherent concept of good.  The values from which one judges actions are semi-arbitrary and not intrinsic.  I think this is an important distinction.

It's the socialists who support Islam in Europe. ... The European socialists ... want to destroy white culture. Guess who the real enemy is?
This is true, but it's also true of many Islamists (despite your protests otherwise).  Islam is inherently globalist in it's doctrines and dogma.  To paints them as guiltless bystanders is disingenuous.
Title: Re: Martyr, patsy, or moron?
Post by: scourge on July 25, 2011, 08:32:07 AM
If I were to seek objective value in all of this I would look to what is good for those who seek an alternative to globalism and multiculturalism. I'm seeing nationalism delegitimized on the public stage as a result.

This lashing out happens right at a time when globalism and multiculturalism have gone out of their way to delegitimize themselves and public opinion everywhere was turning against each.

Now if it wasn't known who was responsible, then the usual suspects rather than a local Norwegian man would have happily taken the credit and the diversity industry could continue to get the ultimate blame. Using insane violence in order to erect a platform for one's reasonable political positions is not victory it is sabotage.
Title: Re: Martyr, patsy, or moron?
Post by: JewishPhysics on July 25, 2011, 08:40:08 AM
I'm seeing nationalism delegitimized on the public stage as a result.
This is all I see from the public stage.  The slogan emerging is that of not allowing 'extremists' to destroy Norway's awesome multicultural, tolerant, and inclusive society.
Title: Re: Martyr, patsy, or moron?
Post by: Conservationist on July 25, 2011, 08:55:22 AM
The slogan emerging is that of not allowing 'extremists' to destroy Norway's awesome multicultural, tolerant, and inclusive society.

And that's different from 1945-2010 how?

Nationalism is always demonized. That's the condition that brought about this massacre.

As with Kaczynski and McVeigh, no one knows how to talk about it, because there's a lurking knowledge that they're correct in their diagnosis.

The problem is that we're in a popularity-driven society, and not enough people give a damn. The proles are in command, and they want beer/tv, not empire-building.

Nationalism cannot be "delegitimized" because it was always delegitimized in the eyes of the left, who use popularity as their defense.

If anything, it's revitalized. Someone gave a damn enough to fight!

And it's worth mentioning wherever you go that this guy was:

* anti-Racist
* anti-Nazi
* pro-Gay
* pro-Socialism

Title: Re: Martyr, patsy, or moron?
Post by: scourge on July 25, 2011, 09:52:48 AM
And that's different from 1945-2010 how?

Precisely. It's the same old nazis up to the same old fascist violence. We're still not rid of them. Our leaders are right. Don't listen to these guys they're crazy and want to hurt those who have done nothing wrong. The government needs to get serious on these people for our safety. No wonder poor disenfranchised muslim men are taking out their frustrations with these intolerant extremists on our women. The white male is the problem everywhere. He still can't make a reasonable case for himself so he resorts to mass murder yet again. We need to be rid of the white male.
Title: Re: Martyr, patsy, or moron?
Post by: JewishPhysics on July 25, 2011, 10:05:38 AM
The slogan emerging is that of not allowing 'extremists' to destroy Norway's awesome multicultural, tolerant, and inclusive society.
And that's different from 1945-2010 how?

Nationalism is always demonized. That's the condition that brought about this massacre.
Europe has slowly been moving in the direction of recognizing the inherent flaws of multiculturalism.  They weren't always providing the best reasons, but the issue was being addressed.  Now focus will almost certainly be redirected towards opponents of multiculturalism.  How ever demonized a political view is, it can always get worse.

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If anything, [Nationalism is] revitalized. Someone gave a damn enough to fight!
An isolated instance of someone giving a damn does not equate to a revitalization.  People can argue as much as they want over this symbolic victory of his, but I see nothing practical being gained from it.  In fact, most Nationalists appear to be scrambling to disassociate themselves from this character, for example:

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And it's worth mentioning wherever you go that this guy was:
* anti-Racist
* anti-Nazi
* pro-Gay
* pro-Socialism
Title: Re: Martyr, patsy, or moron?
Post by: Conservationist on July 25, 2011, 12:05:52 PM
Europe has slowly been moving in the direction of recognizing the inherent flaws of multiculturalism.  They weren't always providing the best reasons, but the issue was being addressed.

And it still is.

It's only demonized if you let it be. No organized movement sponsors Breivik.

Great articles on this:

* http://www.inmalafide.com/blog/2011/07/25/rotting-from-the-head-down/
* http://www.amerika.org/politics/complacency/
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Cargést on July 25, 2011, 01:08:39 PM
"OBJECTIVELY GOOD" DOES NOT EXIST.  GO BACK TO NIHILISM 101.

...

Objectivity is recognition of facts without clouding through judgment/perception.  How do you not know this?
At first I thought you were confusing the terms objective and intrinsic, but it appears you've amalgamated them.  Things can be determined to be objectively good as long as you have a coherent concept of good.  The values from which one judges actions are semi-arbitrary and not intrinsic.  I think this is an important distinction.

I have always been taught that "objective" meant "having its basis in objects", i.e. physically existing items and observable properties of those items.  I mean, etymologically, that would make sense, so unless some fucktard has decided to ruin Latin-based english again, I can't quite see how any other definition of "objective" or "objectivity" could occur (other than to use the word "objective" as a noun).
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: scourge on July 25, 2011, 01:16:14 PM
From Complacency:
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By controlling what our populations care about, leftism is able to cut truth out of the picture.

Leftism has cornered the market and monopolized the valuable feelings and morals consumer product.

They discovered the population generally responds to sentimental impulses and not to reasoning. Why? Most of the population has inherited this sort of brain structure, or metatypology. Getting the population on your side gets your own leaders in place over them. It was a set of too often replicated genes that has divorced truth from legitimacy. The left has simply adapted to the opportunity of the vulnerable psychology all around them.

Leftists most certainly are not convincing enough to create their falsehoods by way of consistently logical reasoning - they primarily utilize emotional appeal because this is the bait that gets the bites and the snappers in turn all end up in the boat on the left side.

Put truth on your line and compare how many bites you get. Very few from what I have seen.
Title: Re: Martyr, patsy, or moron?
Post by: JewishPhysics on July 25, 2011, 04:49:41 PM
Europe has slowly been moving in the direction of recognizing the inherent flaws of multiculturalism.  They weren't always providing the best reasons, but the issue was being addressed.
And it still is.
Well, we obviously have a fundamental disagreement here, but I think all we can really do in that regard is wait and see.

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No organized movement sponsors Breivik.
That was kind of my point.

Quote from: Cargest
Objectivity is recognition of facts without clouding through judgment/perception.
I agree with this definition and think it's more appropriate than what you go on to say.

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I have always been taught that "objective" meant "having its basis in objects", i.e. physically existing items and observable properties of those items.
You can frame objectivity this way but a few things.  Objects are not necessarily physical.  They can be physical, abstract, or both simultaneously.  However, I don't know if that's from where the ultimate disagreement arises.

Let me pose a few questions:
1) If one has an axiomatic framework from which to judge the 'goodness' of actions, can one not do so objectively?
2) Aren't values the axioms from which we judge the 'goodness' of something?
3) Do you think values are merely subjective?
Title: Re: Martyr, patsy, or moron?
Post by: Cargést on July 25, 2011, 05:18:22 PM
Let me pose a few questions:
1) If one has an axiomatic framework from which to judge the 'goodness' of actions, can one not do so objectively?
2) Aren't values the axioms from which we judge the 'goodness' of something?
3) Do you think values are merely subjective?

1: there is no axiomatic framework from which to judge the "goodness" of actions.  I can argue that anything that you say is "good" is "bad", and can probably often come up with good, if not totally convincing, reasons.  (Maybe I've taken the wrong view of this question - in which sense are you using the term "axiomatic"?)

2: yes, they are, but axioms are not necessarily "objective" - by definition, they have been agreed upon by witnessing (i.e. subjective) parties.  (Unless, again, you're talking about an "axiom" which is the basis of a system ["value system", haha], which is proven to be true by the workings of that system?  In which case, Goedel's Incompleteness Theorems end up applying here [with minor extrapolation?  Depends on "system"], which is a nasty cop-out, but it's 1:13 AM and I don't have the brainpower left to think about this in extreme depth).

3: ultimately, yes, though it's obviously a lot more complicated than that.  Humans of various levels of understanding and intelligence will tend towards correspondent ways of viewing the world, but there is nothing inherent to that world which forces a particular perspective, thus no "value" is gained simply through its recognition in an exterior existence.  Values are generated by the human as a response to external stimuli; they are not observed in the exterior world and then adopted by humans (otherwise there'd be no such thing as "morality", there would only be "action", as all actions would be informed by the values supposedly inherent to reality, which force observers to comply by their nature).

A lot of this depends on how you're using the terms... We're going to have to figure out the semantics before we can start properly discussing this.

I also like the idea of "objectivity" meaning "object-based" in the more modern sense!
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: scourge on July 25, 2011, 06:01:12 PM
Try some axioms here http://www.friesian.com/key.htm and http://www.friesian.com/foundatn.htm#founda-2

Anyways, in my mind, the alleged Breivik rampage represents the continuation of the left's own internal civil war. It is an ongoing revolt against the repression of one faction of the left who hold the reigns. The guy is a patriotic, Christian libertarian type which is another more classical liberal, but not an ethnonationalist. He is a child of the Enlightenment like the rest including the socialist kids in the summer camp and the politicians.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Conservationist on July 25, 2011, 06:41:56 PM
From Complacency:
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By controlling what our populations care about, leftism is able to cut truth out of the picture.

Leftism has cornered the market and monopolized the valuable feelings and morals consumer product.

They discovered the population generally responds to sentimental impulses and not to reasoning. Why? Most of the population has inherited this sort of brain structure, or metatypology. Getting the population on your side gets your own leaders in place over them. It was a set of too often replicated genes that has divorced truth from legitimacy. The left has simply adapted to the opportunity of the vulnerable psychology all around them.

Leftists most certainly are not convincing enough to create their falsehoods by way of consistently logical reasoning - they primarily utilize emotional appeal because this is the bait that gets the bites and the snappers in turn all end up in the boat on the left side.

Put truth on your line and compare how many bites you get. Very few from what I have seen.

I wish someone would simply blog the above at Amerika. Maybe flesh it out a bit, add a pretty picture.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: scourge on July 25, 2011, 07:13:55 PM
I would also add something horribly offensive. The enfranchisement of women extended the maternal over into the political. Hence, the so called meritocratic victimhood where the most infantile, or vulnerable if you will receive the lion's share from the public trough. Save Darfur type of crap > man stuff like updating the space shuttle with a 21st Century space plane
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Conservationist on July 25, 2011, 08:15:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4U1flgruFT8
Title: Re: Martyr, patsy, or moron?
Post by: hoodwink on July 25, 2011, 08:54:51 PM

Nationalism cannot be "delegitimized" because it was always delegitimized in the eyes of the left, who use popularity as their defense.


I agree with most of the points you've raised - and this thread improved greatly with your arrival - but I think it's an oversimplification to attribute any part of the apparatus of multiculturalism to the left exclusively.  Fevered debates between left and right are created to distract from actual policy shifts.  Popularity is the essential element of how the developed nations of the world make their money; there can be no success in a capitalistic system without a prevailing sense of "sameness."  If one can wade through the tedium long enough to judge the actual content of the superficially opposing arguments, he will see that different political spins are applied to fundamentally similar agendas.  It's ironic that many of the people who are fond of mislabeling Barack Obama a socialist are doing little more than attaching a dirty word to a public figure in order to conceal their own aims.  The goal here is a homogenized population and both sides are using different words to ensure the same reality.  Whether you get there by limiting the role of government in the market or flooding the market with illegal immigrants is totally immaterial.

Sure, one could argue that the left and right vary on social issues, but none of that shit really matters anyway. 
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: scourge on July 25, 2011, 08:59:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4U1flgruFT8

That's probably the best way to address the incident. Neurotic modern people slaughter each other not for territory, treasure, Allah or glory like their superior ancestors but over petty factional differences within their shared 'rationally Enlightened' philosophy. Blow it off and troll it up. I'm not sure if projecting all sorts of meaning onto a marginally victimized victimizer is going to get any real traction this time either.



(http://www.amerika.org/wp-content/uploads/fascist.jpg)
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: istaros on July 25, 2011, 09:22:56 PM
those "long-stand cultural traditions" don't jive with a system whose aim is to replace all evidence of customs, tradition and nationalistic pride with business ventures.  capitalism is a system that will function best in an environment where notions like identity don't figure into the mix because the goal is a homogenized mass. the multiculturalism that many of the members of this forum deem egregious is the most successful social component reared by capitalism; as capitalism becomes more expansive, the need for a faceless labor force populated by undereducated foreigners will continued to expand geometrically.  in order to realize the need for lower cost variable capital, your best means of getting there is widening the talent pool in the name of multiculturalism.

This is all conjecture. Replace each instance of the word "capitalism" in the above text with its opposite, "communism," and it retains the same level of veracity overall. Some parts of it become even more accurate (homogenized mass, multi-culturalist social component, faceless labor force) and the only point at which it becomes a bit inaccurate is at the concept of using foreigners for cheap labor. "Business ventures" can be exchanged for "state projects."

Thus, globalist and multi-culturalist tendencies can and should be addressed discretely, not as being components of any particular economic construct. While it is true to say that capitalism in its purest form would necessarily adopt a multi-cultural stance, once again, this is just as true for its opposite. These tendencies can be adopted by either system, which means they can also *not* be adopted by either one. Furthermore, the USA itself doesn't practice capitalism in its purest form - I'm not aware of any nation that does. A move towards capitalism does not by default mean the adoption of capitalism at its highest function. A nation full of money-grubbing opportunists would probably do that, but a nation that is built around shared cultural concepts would probably not. So the question regarding this individual's proposals is not why he wants to homogenize his home culture -which he obviously and vocally does not- but what benefits does he see from a move towards a capitalist economy?

Hookers & blow, probably.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: hoodwink on July 25, 2011, 11:26:28 PM

This is all conjecture. Replace each instance of the word "capitalism" in the above text with its opposite, "communism," and it retains the same level of veracity overall. Some parts of it become even more accurate (homogenized mass, multi-culturalist social component, faceless labor force) and the only point at which it becomes a bit inaccurate is at the concept of using foreigners for cheap labor. "Business ventures" can be exchanged for "state projects."

Thus, globalist and multi-culturalist tendencies can and should be addressed discretely, not as being components of any particular economic construct. While it is true to say that capitalism in its purest form would necessarily adopt a multi-cultural stance, once again, this is just as true for its opposite. These tendencies can be adopted by either system, which means they can also *not* be adopted by either one. Furthermore, the USA itself doesn't practice capitalism in its purest form - I'm not aware of any nation that does. A move towards capitalism does not by default mean the adoption of capitalism at its highest function. A nation full of money-grubbing opportunists would probably do that, but a nation that is built around shared cultural concepts would probably not. So the question regarding this individual's proposals is not why he wants to homogenize his home culture -which he obviously and vocally does not- but what benefits does he see from a move towards a capitalist economy?

Hookers & blow, probably.

While I will agree that there are a fair number of assumptions in the post you quoted, I feel that your response is a more severe reduction.  There's a common misconception about communism that was spawned (largely) as a product of American political spin.  If we are to regard communism in its purest form, it fosters a strong sense of nationalism.  In an absurd simplification, communism is about a society allocating resources together for common advancement and good.  Trouble arises when viewing the various corrupted communist systems witnessed in history . Communism in the Stalinist sense could apply if we are to regard the state in the role of the faceless capitalist.  The difference is that in capitalism there still is an inherent element of competition between corporate entities which, in theory, may provide a balance. Central planning, however, eliminates competition - in Stalinist centralized economics the fundamental premise is the state does not compete with itself.  For Stalinist communism to succeed all workers must agree on the common principles of working for the common good or common society ideals; multiculturalism weakens that (witness the response of the Baltics to Soviet Rule).  Perhaps a great historical point for state-controlled economy fostering a sense of nationalism is the economy of Nazi Germany...while it's assuredly not communist, it's definitely a tightly controlled state run economy with the goal of fostering self-reliance and nationalistic tendencies.  In terms of Stalinist state economic planning it could be argued it's close...but as was mentioned earlier, it's debatable whether the Soviet Union's policies were themselves really communist in practice.  

Although I absolutely agree with you that capitalism and multiculturalism aren't mutually dependent - and I misspoke by implying that capitalism spawned multiculturalism - I maintain that multiculturalism is, currently, the best means available to accelerate and ensure the success of capitalism.  But, I do think we can agree that that certain underlying thought systems are kind of prerequisites for successful function of either economic system in their pure form.  I assumed, perhaps falsely, that the excessively idealistic Mr. Breivik would only be able to comprehend of an economic system in its purest form.  Based on this assumption, I've concluded that his romanticized view of the "super capitalist" economy would be pretty comparable to the 72 virgins allegedly awaiting Muslim suicide bombers.  
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Veritas on July 26, 2011, 02:57:08 AM
Quote from: cargest
morals aren't objective guyzz

Are you keeping a tally on how many times you've started this debate now? (has it ever gone anywhere?)

Ignoring whether it is or not, what are the implications of morality not being objective? Should such a realisation alter our behaviour or thoughts in any significant way?
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Cargést on July 26, 2011, 03:28:22 AM
Quote from: cargest
morals aren't objective guyzz

Are you keeping a tally on how many times you've started this debate now? (has it ever gone anywhere?)

Ignoring whether it is or not, what are the implications of morality not being objective? Should such a realisation alter our behaviour or thoughts in any significant way?

It's not a debate, since nobody's ever (successfully) disagreed (or even wanted to?  Not sure).  I think I've had to remind people about three times, now, though.

From a good source (corrupt.org):

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b) Active Nihilism: Nihilism seen as a continuous process, meaning one strips the outlook on life of all values, and then create new values out of the void, thus turning nihilism into a form of mental weapon, that one can use to examine different interpretations of reality.

No moral system is true; some moral systems are more valid than others.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Nimbostratus on July 26, 2011, 04:31:06 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/R1CTU.jpg)


New straw man for Norway. Now they have their own Hitler-devil, new victims to shelter (liberal teens) and better reasons to repudiate "racist bigots".

Amazing strategy. Breivik was a rational genius, no sentimental anti-consequentialist bullshit.


(http://i.imgur.com/JBOD2.jpg])         (http://i.imgur.com/kQmWW.jpg)
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: on July 26, 2011, 07:07:41 AM
Interesting interview with the shooter's lawyer on the BBC news channel today.

Turns out the lawyer is himself a card-carrying member of the Labour party that the shooter targeted, and they had even crossed paths when they both owned offices in the same tower block a few years ago.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: hoodwink on July 26, 2011, 01:36:57 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/R1CTU.jpg)

You'd think an avowed end to "naivety" would recognize a statement like, "we will retaliate with more democracy" for the colossal oxymoron that it is.  

I'm reminded of an old comedy called Teahouse of the August Moon wherein a feckless demagogue base commander in Okinawa during World War II describes his mission as, "My job is to teach these natives the meaning of democracy, and they're going to learn democracy if I have to shoot every one of them." 
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Nimbostratus on July 26, 2011, 01:52:29 PM
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In the wake of such irresponsible rhetoric, I think one point needs to be expressed loudly and strongly: there is no greater poverty of spirit than one which adopts a partisan mindset towards human atrocities. The killing of a hundred innocent civilians must be viewed with horror, even if we happen to like the political mindset of their murderer and despise the general outlook of those murdered. And yes, mass murder of likely “cultural Marxists” and “multicultural elitists” is still mass murder. To see things otherwise is to forfeit our humanity. They Live may be an inspired little B-movie, but in real life, our opponents aren’t sinister, bloodsucking aliens posing as humans; they don’t merit indiscriminate slaughter. [...]

Finally, AltRightists really need to stop moaning and groaning about how things are really going to get bad for us now. In the first place, such reflexive alarmism is annoyingly whiny. In the second place, it is thoroughly misguided. The attempt of the Left to smear all Rightists as genocidal Breiviks-in-training will fail. It’s rhetorically quite weak. Breivik is, after all, just one man, and his actions are too extreme to be viewed as representative of anyone but himself.

http://www.alternativeright.com/main/blogs/untimely-observations/the-politics-of-nihilism/


This guy made the sensible approach that other new right blogs didn't. However, being an "alarmist", or pointing how detrimental his actions were to his cause, sadly became a necessity after all the idiotic appraisal he received from some conservatives, and actually, without underestimating the impact, things will get harder for the right.

Finally, I agree that conservatives need to go ahead from this, succeeding and rejecting this lone piece of crap Breivik
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: hoodwink on July 26, 2011, 02:18:13 PM
Looks like Varg's got something to say about this:

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War in Europe: Part I - Cui bono?

Many argue that Mr. Breivik was in fact executing orders from Mossad, to punish the Palestine-loving Marxist-governed Norway, but first and foremost to create a false banner for misinformed right-wing extremists to unite under, and that what he was doing was a "false flag" operation.

His manifest is vast, some 1500 pages, and he is pretty thorough in both what he says and what he did. There are a few facts that doesn't make sense to me. How can he list all the problems caused by different Jews in our history and yet fail to mention even one of them with a single word in his manifest? He attacks the symptoms of the disease Europe is suffering under, but not the cause of the disease.

He is a Freemason too, and that certainly doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Freemasonry is international Jewry at it's worst; they too are working for a de-construction of all nations on Earth, and to build a global Hebrew temple, enslaving us all under the will of the Jews and their servants, the Freemasons. Well, this explains why he doesn't say a word about the creators of all the different religions and ideologies now set up to fight against each other.

He is a Christian too. Now, in a sense that does make sense, but why does it make sense? The Jews created Christianity as a religion for non-Jews to follow, so that they too would become worshippers of their Hebrew false "God", so that the unruly Pagan Europeans would become servants and a powerful tool for the Jews. Whether the Jews created Islam too, or whether they just saw an opportunity coming when it was created is not known, but we do know that the Jews have always promoted conflict between these two religions and indeed they still do. When the Christians grow too strong the Jews support the Muslims to weaken the Christians. When the Muslims grow too strong the Jews support the Christians to weaken the Muslims. They often support both sides too, if both sides are too strong, and they often do in secret. Christians then kill Muslims, and vice versa, whilst the Jews laugh safely in the background, profiting from it all.

Mr. Breivik either went straight into their trap, like so many Christians have done in the past and still do, or he works knowingly for them, again like so many Christians have done in the past and still do. The Christians and the Muslims, ladies and gentlemen, are but soldiers/cannon fodder for the Jews in their mission to enslave us all under their rule.

What Mr. Breivik has said is largely true, in all except in what he doesn't say; he doesn't tell us that the Jews are the origin to all these problems, and that they were created by the Jews to hurt us. All we have to do to make this act of violence favourable to us is to make this clear to everyone; the Jews created Marxism, feminism, Christianity (need I tell you that Jesus and not least Paulus/Saul were both Jews?), so-called psychology, banking ("money lending"), the hippie-movement and all other ideologies and movements which are aimed to destroy and de-construct all nations in Europe. Behind each and every one of them you will find a Jew (or some times a Freemason)!

How could you miss that out, Mr. Breivik?

Working for the Jews, are you Mr. Breivik, to unite all European right-wing extremists under your false banner? To make sure the focus on the Jewish enemy of Europe is moved to something else? Or maybe you don't even know that you have been used by sinister Jews?

So now not only Christians kill Muslims, and vice versa. Right wing extremists are supposed to kill left-wing extremists too and vice versa I assume? Is that the plan? You did this to recruit and make even the right-wing extremists fight for the Jews?

Who benefits from this? Israel does! The Jews do! None of our aggression will be directed at them were it all should be directed. We will be fighting each other instead, whilst they move about in the background, out of the spotlight, and profit from our suffering, and in secret tighten the chains of slavery around our waists and ankles.

Oh, and by the way; true nationalists don't kill children of their own nation, even if someone tries to brainwash them, like AUF did. They were not (yet) Marxist extremists; they were just children.

Varg Vikernes
Bergen the 24th of July 2011


PS. You are free to send this article to everyone you know, and I hope you do. Translate it and publish it if you can. I claim no copyright or reproduction right to the contents of this article!

http://www.burzum.com/eng/library/war_in_europe01.shtml
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: scourge on July 26, 2011, 02:21:11 PM
All I've seen is a bunch of low foreheads who think they can change the world with dreams and talk. It's too late for that. If you're not ready to act give me a break and shut up. - Ben Richards, main character in some movie
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: on July 26, 2011, 03:16:38 PM
All I've seen is a bunch of low foreheads who think they can change the world with dreams and talk. It's too late for that. If you're not ready to act give me a break and shut up. - Ben Richards, main character in some movie

So what are you suggesting is the "correct" course of action for these chattering people?
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: AnHero on July 26, 2011, 04:46:36 PM
Looks like Varg's got something to say about this:

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War in Europe: Part I - Cui bono?

Many argue that Mr. Breivik was in fact executing orders from Mossad, to punish the Palestine-loving Marxist-governed Norway, but first and foremost to create a false banner for misinformed right-wing extremists to unite under, and that what he was doing was a "false flag" operation.
....<snip>...
Who benefits from this? Israel does! The Jews do! None of our aggression will be directed at them were it all should be directed. We will be fighting each other instead, whilst they move about in the background, out of the spotlight, and profit from our suffering, and in secret tighten the chains of slavery around our waists and ankles.

Oh, and by the way; true nationalists don't kill children of their own nation, even if someone tries to brainwash them, like AUF did. They were not (yet) Marxist extremists; they were just children.

Varg Vikernes
Bergen the 24th of July 2011
http://www.burzum.com/eng/library/war_in_europe01.shtml

Oh, lovely. "The Jews!!!"

It gets better - In march of this year he wrote a "A Call for Resistance" against, amognst other things, muslim immigration:
http://www.burzum.com/eng/library/the_lords_of_lies09.shtml

(the forum coverts "burzum DOT org" to "burzum DOT com" so you'll have to change back to follow the link)

All I've seen is a bunch of low foreheads who think they can change the world with dreams and talk. It's too late for that. If you're not ready to act give me a break and shut up. - Ben Richards, main character in some movie
So what are you suggesting is the "correct" course of action for these chattering people?

Well, I guess to give him a break and shut up.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: on July 26, 2011, 04:47:47 PM
Well, I guess to give him a break and shut up.
Well that is simply taking inactivity to even greater extremes!
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Conservationist on July 26, 2011, 08:28:53 PM
All I've seen is a bunch of low foreheads who think they can change the world with dreams and talk. It's too late for that. If you're not ready to act give me a break and shut up. - Ben Richards, main character in some movie

So what are you suggesting is the "correct" course of action for these chattering people?

That's a good talking point.

scourge has given us a number of good suggestions over the years. He's one of the posters on here who should always be read.

I can't speak for others, but my read from scourge is that he's in a similar boat to most of us: gosh, we'd love non-violent solutions. We love the idea of war, if it's a just war, but not as a blanket solution. That's subtarded. We also hate the idea of harming people, including those we would exclude from the political process. We think The Holocaust was stupid and cruel. Need I go on?

However (you knew there'd be one of those) if our society doesn't change course, we're all dead or destroyed, and we'll take this planet down with us.

This my friends is a morally complex issue, not the candy-cane artificially simple shit in Disney movies. "Do I murder Bambi, or just order a cheeseburger?"
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: sidereal on July 26, 2011, 10:04:18 PM
From Complacency:
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By controlling what our populations care about, leftism is able to cut truth out of the picture.

Leftism has cornered the market and monopolized the valuable feelings and morals consumer product.

They discovered the population generally responds to sentimental impulses and not to reasoning. Why? Most of the population has inherited this sort of brain structure, or metatypology. Getting the population on your side gets your own leaders in place over them. It was a set of too often replicated genes that has divorced truth from legitimacy. The left has simply adapted to the opportunity of the vulnerable psychology all around them.

Leftists most certainly are not convincing enough to create their falsehoods by way of consistently logical reasoning - they primarily utilize emotional appeal because this is the bait that gets the bites and the snappers in turn all end up in the boat on the left side.

Put truth on your line and compare how many bites you get. Very few from what I have seen.

Scourge, to argue that this is only a leftist problem is, I think, very wrong. Nazi germany was a prime candidate for utilizing emotional appeal and co-opting the vulernable psychology of those around them.

All the old political 'isms' are popularist, in the sense they depend on the primitive instincts of the masses to get going. Don't think that 'anti-democratic' means anti mass mentality. Often it can mean more. The only solution is education, so that politics (left or right) can be based less and less on apelike evolved intuitions which were adaptations to hunter-gatherer environments but which are now non-adaptive.

An interesting side note, the guy's religion is basically driven by group mentality. He is primarily a nationalist, christianity is a cultural thing:

"Myself and many more like me do not necessarily have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God.

We do however believe in Christianity as a cultural, social, identity and moral platform."

Section 3.139 Page 1309

Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Nimbostratus on July 26, 2011, 10:20:06 PM
I can't speak for others, but my read from scourge is that he's in a similar boat to most of us: gosh, we'd love non-violent solutions. We love the idea of war, if it's a just war, but not as a blanket solution. That's subtarded. We also hate the idea of harming people, including those we would exclude from the political process. We think The Holocaust was stupid and cruel. Need I go on?

However (you knew there'd be one of those) if our society doesn't change course, we're all dead or destroyed, and we'll take this planet down with us.

This my friends is a morally complex issue, not the candy-cane artificially simple shit in Disney movies. "Do I murder Bambi, or just order a cheeseburger?"

Agree. Revolutions are painful but necessary (in the proper understanding of Revolution)... but we must accept that Breivik was a lone wolf that helped in no way to the conservative revolution, but quite the contrary. Damn, if some people here is shiting on Breivik is because he is not only insane and unnecessarily cruel, but also ultimately inept, even a farse... stop invoking sentimentalism... this is not Disneyland.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: TableauxParisiens on July 26, 2011, 11:48:47 PM
Is anyone getting sick of that asinine Vikernes yet?
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: on July 27, 2011, 03:06:37 AM
Is anyone getting sick of that asinine Vikernes yet?

Not I. He is an endless source of mirth and whimsy in an otherwise stale interweb.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Umbrage on July 27, 2011, 04:01:30 AM
Quote from: Varg Vikernes
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That's hilarious. Does anybody think he's just being jealous?
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Conservationist on July 27, 2011, 12:32:30 PM
Does anybody think he's just being jealous?

He wants to be the Nordic Bob Dylan.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: scourge on July 27, 2011, 05:13:16 PM
Nazi germany was a prime candidate for utilizing emotional appeal and co-opting the vulernable psychology of those around them.

The NSDAP utilized a leftist worker's movement appeal (method) while making good on their promises unlike the Bolsheviks, in order to get into power (goal). That accounted for the bulk of the democratic momentum. Yes, they also added many peripheral items to appeal to the Volkish, to the Catholics, to adjacent fascist allies, and to the remnants of the native constitutional conservative upper class. That accounted for the support from much of the elite behind the democracy. I would say it was quite a bit more complex than your portrayal.

That's a good talking point.

It was a quote from some silly movie that seemed to fit the discussion.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Conservationist on July 28, 2011, 06:51:20 AM
The NSDAP utilized a leftist worker's movement appeal (method) while making good on their promises unlike the Bolsheviks, in order to get into power (goal). That accounted for the bulk of the democratic momentum. Yes, they also added many peripheral items to appeal to the Volkish, to the Catholics, to adjacent fascist allies, and to the remnants of the native constitutional conservative upper class. That accounted for the support from much of the elite behind the democracy. I would say it was quite a bit more complex than your portrayal.

The NSDAP rose to power primarily as an anti-Communist party only a few years after a Communist revolution in .de

They combined the moderate liberal party with the traditional values conservatives and appealed to a defeated, horrified, confused and shamed nation.

Had they stopped there, history would remember them as a miracle.

They tried to take on too many threats, and not enough real ones.

If they had thrown all their effort into crushing the Soviets, and liberating mainland Europe later, there would have been no will to oppose them.

At that point, the USA would have had leadership change and the new administration probably would have given them diplomatic recognition.

Luckily, they did not make it to that point -- the atomic age was instead fought by the two least decisive forms of government, Communism and Democracy.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: scourge on August 05, 2011, 10:11:17 PM
Sane and constructive thoughts from elsewhere:

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The most adaptive course for Westerners is to find a way to restore a sustainable birthrate and ethnic consciousness within the framework of the Western tradition, which forms the vital cultural aspect of our identity. That cannot be achieved if we misconstrue the content and nature of Western cultural identity, as does Stephen Walt, or if we apply military tactics to what is an intellectual, cultural, and political problem, as did Anders Breivik.

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2011/08/does-the-norway-atrocity-make-nationalism-illegitimate-a-reply-to-stephen-walt/#more-9588
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Archidamus on August 06, 2011, 02:22:14 AM
Sane and constructive thoughts from elsewhere:

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The most adaptive course for Westerners is to find a way to restore a sustainable birthrate and ethnic consciousness within the framework of the Western tradition, which forms the vital cultural aspect of our identity. That cannot be achieved if we misconstrue the content and nature of Western cultural identity, as does Stephen Walt, or if we apply military tactics to what is an intellectual, cultural, and political problem, as did Anders Breivik.

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2011/08/does-the-norway-atrocity-make-nationalism-illegitimate-a-reply-to-stephen-walt/#more-9588

I'm not so sure about the last thought of that quote anymore. Western people are surrounded by enemies who are out for our blood and land. It's getting worse with all the flash-mobs and Mexican cartels' assaults on Americans in the S/SW. Breivik probably should have targeted minorities or liberal universities and other pro-globalist institutions if he had to go out with a bang. I don't want to have a militant "vangard" attitude, but the pressure is on. I agree that Westerners desperately need to work on self-identity and creating a better culture in the meantime, but we should have the attitude that violence is ultimately a push forward to meet our ends.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Transilvania on August 06, 2011, 05:17:04 AM
Sane and constructive thoughts from elsewhere:

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The most adaptive course for Westerners is to find a way to restore a sustainable birthrate and ethnic consciousness within the framework of the Western tradition, which forms the vital cultural aspect of our identity. That cannot be achieved if we misconstrue the content and nature of Western cultural identity, as does Stephen Walt, or if we apply military tactics to what is an intellectual, cultural, and political problem, as did Anders Breivik.

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2011/08/does-the-norway-atrocity-make-nationalism-illegitimate-a-reply-to-stephen-walt/#more-9588

I'm not so sure about the last thought of that quote anymore. Western people are surrounded by enemies who are out for our blood and land. It's getting worse with all the flash-mobs and Mexican cartels' assaults on Americans in the S/SW. Breivik probably should have targeted minorities or liberal universities and other pro-globalist institutions if he had to go out with a bang. I don't want to have a militant "vangard" attitude, but the pressure is on. I agree that Westerners desperately need to work on self-identity and creating a better culture in the meantime, but we should have the attitude that violence is ultimately a push forward to meet our ends.

Wouldn't this simply cause the same sort of backlash that Breivik faced in Norway? If we are going to use violence as a means toward our goals, it should probably be applied after a much greater sense of self-identity has been achieved. We need people of this mindset to come together first; allowing them to establish a fledgling society and it's goals. These people would probably have violence towards foreigners/invaders of any sort which could function as a central tenet of society. Forgive me if I misconstrued your post, it just seems that instantly jumping to violence would be a hasty decision.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Archidamus on August 06, 2011, 11:16:38 AM
Sane and constructive thoughts from elsewhere:

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The most adaptive course for Westerners is to find a way to restore a sustainable birthrate and ethnic consciousness within the framework of the Western tradition, which forms the vital cultural aspect of our identity. That cannot be achieved if we misconstrue the content and nature of Western cultural identity, as does Stephen Walt, or if we apply military tactics to what is an intellectual, cultural, and political problem, as did Anders Breivik.

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2011/08/does-the-norway-atrocity-make-nationalism-illegitimate-a-reply-to-stephen-walt/#more-9588

I'm not so sure about the last thought of that quote anymore. Western people are surrounded by enemies who are out for our blood and land. It's getting worse with all the flash-mobs and Mexican cartels' assaults on Americans in the S/SW. Breivik probably should have targeted minorities or liberal universities and other pro-globalist institutions if he had to go out with a bang. I don't want to have a militant "vangard" attitude, but the pressure is on. I agree that Westerners desperately need to work on self-identity and creating a better culture in the meantime, but we should have the attitude that violence is ultimately a push forward to meet our ends.

Wouldn't this simply cause the same sort of backlash that Breivik faced in Norway? If we are going to use violence as a means toward our goals, it should probably be applied after a much greater sense of self-identity has been achieved. We need people of this mindset to come together first; allowing them to establish a fledgling society and it's goals. These people would probably have violence towards foreigners/invaders of any sort which could function as a central tenet of society. Forgive me if I misconstrued your post, it just seems that instantly jumping to violence would be a hasty decision.

Indeed. The use of violence in this phase stems from emotions and resentment, not enacting a plan to better organize society. Violence takes two steps back because it gives liberalism a stronger footing at a time when more sensible people are finally coming to see liberalism as parasitical. I disagree with Breivik’s actions because they take the focus of sensible people off of liberalism’s blunders. If manifesto types feel they must go out with violence, they should target liberal institutions and talking-heads.
Liberal regimes cannot sustain themselves because it’s in their nature to make increasingly higher demands on people to progress, making evident their totalitarian policies and unachievable ends. When liberal government eventually collapses, I don’t believe it will be an apocalyptic event, but I think it will leave a small window of anarchy. This is much needed for people to organize and regain autonomy. It also requires people who identify themselves as citizens of one country under one law and culture to strike at the “citizens of the world” who will refuse to comply with their autonomy.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: scourge on August 06, 2011, 02:08:09 PM
The means to ends are said to be the following:

1. Unauthorized violence to cause state repression which forces identity to flourish in defense of itself
2. Identity in order to make unauthorized violence far more effective as a militant network rather than lone actors
3. Identity in order to first capture the means to harness authorized violence
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: tardocaust on April 29, 2012, 09:09:07 AM
You may read transcripts of his testimony here:

http://age-of-treason.blogspot.com/

Mr Breivik has released a mailing address for those who share his worldview:

Anders Behring Breivik
Postboks 150
1332 Østerås
Norway

http://wnthinktank.wordpress.com/2012/04/25/write-anders-brevik/
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Examiner on July 10, 2012, 08:34:08 AM
Breiviks closing sentiments seem very familiar.

http://www.amren.com/news/2012/07/anders-breiviks-closing-statement-final-day-june-22-2012/
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Perennial_Man on July 10, 2012, 04:04:40 PM
It truly is unfortunate that 77 15-20 year olds had to run in terror from one man with one pistol. I wonder how many actually tried charging Breivik to stop their friends from being murdered.

"When it comes to sexually transmitted diseases and the sexual revolution, it’s actually something that is underreported, and has created major problems in Europe. [This is a subtle and astute observation. Sex, reproduction, and the family together constitute the taproot of race and genetics.—Trans.] The ideal being upheld is to have sex with as many strangers as possible. Instead of focusing on the nuclear family, the focus is on dissolving it, and all the problems which that entails."

I hate to imagine how many children were born out of Woodstock. I think it is ridiculous that not the one veteran Marine decided it would be best to propagate his national ideals and toss a few hand grenades into the crowd there.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: aquarius on July 13, 2012, 10:22:15 AM
Isn't it disgusting that they will push for a mental health sentence. At least some blame should fall on the government for creating the conditions whereby this event even occured.

Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: Humanicide on July 13, 2012, 10:13:53 PM
Isn't it disgusting that they will push for a mental health sentence. At least some blame should fall on the government for creating the conditions whereby this event even occured.



You forget we're living in the modern world. We don't think about causes. Just effects.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: scourge on August 26, 2012, 11:20:06 AM
Politically, Norway has the small-c conservative Progress Party, to which Breivik belonged before his radicalisation.  It is sceptical about multiculturalism but not opposed to immigration.  It is a dog in the nationalist manger, like all such respectably culturist and assimilationist mainstream parties.  In the immediate aftermath of the attacks even a party with such a weak-tea platform suffered a loss of membership.  But it has clawed it back since, and appears to be advancing further.

An authentic Norwegian nationalism is impossible to advance, of course, crushed as it is between the Progress Party and Breivik’s murderousness.

As for the rest of us, well, nationalism found some respite from association with Breivik in his original diagnosis, as well as in the scarcely nationalist Christian Zionist anti-jihadism he espoused.  As someone who spends a fair amount of time on newspaper threads arguing the case for the European life, I encountered few references to the Utøya massacre beyond the immediate aftermath.  Now the court has tied Breivik to the motives of every nationalist, there will likely be a longer tail to the damage he has done.

But that, too, will pass. The horror of Breivik is receding, and just as Norwegians cannot hide from the realities of the world their politicians are creating, neither can any of us.  Nationalists remain the only political actors with a true heart and a true analysis.

http://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/breivik_and_the_future
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: fallot on August 26, 2012, 01:13:04 PM
Killing a bunch of unarmed teenagers is neither particularly courageous nor worthy of honour. I am glad they went the mental health route though, it exposes the denial that inevitably follows such acts in a way that many people can understand. I don't think ordinary people are convinced of his insanity and that's good. Embracing the darkness within our souls is healthy, natural and decidedly pre-modern.
Title: Re: Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom
Post by: aquarius on August 27, 2012, 03:07:44 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/24/breivik-verdict-sane-21-years

He didn't get a mental health defence, which could mean a few things depending on how government and media decide their own best course of action. Ideally, they would seek to disarm the validity of his political motivations as delicately as possible (as if he hadn't done that already by the very nature of his crimes).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14315108

But for many, it's not altogether unworkable to agree in part with Breivik's sentiment while condemning his actions.