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Title: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: Umbrage on August 07, 2011, 10:12:53 AM
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Riot blaze: North London in flames as police cars, bus and shops burn over police shooting of 'gangster'

    Twenty-six police officers hurt in clashes, with eight treated in hospital
    Scotland Yard still dealing with 'isolated pockets of crime' this morning
    Tottenham MP David Lammy appeals for calm and warns that there may be fatalities
    Mob of 500 people protest about death of father-of-four Mark Duggan who was shot by officers
    Fears that violence was fanned by Twitter as picture of burning police car was re-tweeted more than 100 times
    One eyewitness reports that trouble was ignited by police hitting a 16-year-old girl with batons
    Shop looted and youths storm McDonald's and start cooking their own food
    Mail on Sunday photographers beaten and mugged by masked thugs

Mr Duggan was shot by officers from the Metropolitan Police’s CO19 unit on Thursday evening after the minicab he was travelling in was stopped. There was an apparent ‘exchange’ of fire and a bullet was found lodged in a police radio. Mr Duggan died at the scene and an officer was injured, but left hospital after treatment.

The violence last night started soon after a crowd of about 120 had begun to gather at the High Road, near Tottenham Hotspur’s football ground, from about 5.30pm. One resident, Laurence Bailey, told the Guardian that the violence started after a 16-year-old girl 'threw something, maybe a stone, at the original riot police line'. He added that this was met with a furious response, with around 15 riot officers pounding her with shields.

This description of events was corroborated by another local who spoke to BBC News. He said that the girl was 'set upon' by police and that the crowd surged forward in anger.

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Resident David Akinsanya, 46, who was on the scene, said: ‘It’s really bad. There are two police cars on fire. I’m feeling unsafe. It looks like it’s going to get very tasty. I saw a guy getting attacked.’  A local woman, who declined to give her name, said: ‘There’s a theory going on that the man who was shot had dropped his gun, but they still shot him. I’m hearing that most of the shops in the High Road are being burgled and robbed.’

Several fire crews could only stand ready nearby as they were barred from the High Road where buildings and the bus were ablaze. One fireman complained to The Mail on Sunday that earlier, three engines had been dispatched to the scene without being warned they were entering a riot zone. He said: ‘We were sent to a road accident but it was the police cars on fire. ‘We were then ordered to leave them burning and to drive off, probably for our own safety.

‘I cannot believe what we have just driven through. As we pulled out of the station, there was a car on fire on the High Road and there were people in the middle of the road – it was very scary. We didn’t give them a chance to try to stop us. I am still shaking.’

Meanwhile, two Mail on Sunday photographers were viciously beaten and robbed by masked youths armed with crowbars and other makeshift weapons and reporters on the scene were threatened by looters in balaclavas. The photographers said there was ‘total lawlessness’ in the area with the contents of shops strewn across the streets and the police unable to gain access. One said: ‘It is utter carnage out there. We have been beaten up quite badly and had about £8,000 of equipment stolen. We were quite discreet but as soon as we got a camera out we were set on by youths with masks who were armed with crowbars.’

In a separate incident, a Mail on Sunday reporter was chased down a side street and struck on the back of the head with a rock.

In a parallel with the 1985 riot, residents claimed the roots of last night’s violence lay in allegations of police harassment. John Blake, who grew up with Mr Duggan on the Broadwater estate, claimed the dead man had been victimised by police in recent weeks. He said: ‘I know the police were harassing him. The police were following him. If you’re from Broadwater Farm, police are on you every day, you’re not allowed to come off the estate. If you come off the estate they follow you.’

A family friend of Mr Duggan, who gave her name only as Nikki, 53, said the man’s friends and relatives had organised the protest because ‘something has to be done’ and the marchers wanted ‘justice for the family’. Some of those involved lay in the road to make their point, she said. ‘They’re making their presence known because people are not happy,’ she added. ‘This guy was not violent. Yes, he was involved in things but he was not an aggressive person. He had never hurt anyone.’ [Umbrage note: because we all know criminals don't hurt people, right?]

As the rioting escalated, trouble-makers on Twitter seemed keen to orchestrate the violence, bringing scores more people into the area. One user calling himself ‘English Frank’ urged attacks on the police, saying: ‘Everyone up and roll to Tottenham f*** the 50 [police]. I hope 1 dead tonight.’ And in a clear incitement to looting, ‘Sonny Twag’ tweeted: ‘Want to roll Tottenham to loot. I do want a free TV. Who wudn’t.’

‘Mrs Lulu’ tweeted: ‘Brehs [men] asking who’s down to roll [go] Tottenham right now, to get justice. – RIP Mark x.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2023254/Tottenham-riots-North-London-flames-Mark-Duggan-shooting.html

(http://i53.tinypic.com/b53c6e.jpg)

Like a buddy mentioned: in some cultures when a victim of a crime dies the community will have a silent march. In other cultures when a criminal dies because he resisted arrest the community will have a riot.


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Demography

Tottenham is a multicultural hotspot with many different ethnic groups inhabiting the area. It is often referred to as a black area because it contains one of the largest and most significant populations of African-Caribbean people. These were among the earliest immigrant groups to settle in the area, starting the UK's Windrush era soon after West African communities - notably the many Ghanaians - begun to migrate into the area. Between 1980 and the present day there has been a slow immigration of Colombians, Albanian, Kurdish, Turkish-Cypriot, Turkish, Somalis, Irish, and Portuguese populations.[citation needed] South Tottenham is reported to be the most ethnically-diverse area in Europe, with up to 300 languages being spoken by its residents.[9]

Tottenham has the highest unemployment rate in London and the 8th highest in the United Kingdom. It therefore has some of the highest poverty rates within the country.[10] There have also been major tensions between the African-Caribbean community and the police since (and before) the 1985 Broadwater Farm riot which stemmed from major issues of racism and police brutality.[11]

Although Tottenham is a cultural center, it has also been one of the main hotspots for gangs and gun crime in the United Kingdom during the past three decades. This followed the rise of gangs and drug wars throughout the area, notably those involving the Tottenham Mandem gang and various gangs from Hackney and all of the areas surrounding Tottenham, and the emergence of an organised crime ring known as the Turkish Mafia was said to have controlled more than 90% of the UK's heroin market.[12][13]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tottenham#Demography

Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: scourge on August 07, 2011, 10:36:51 AM
For these people, it is about first loyalty to the existential Us, whether they are right or wrong as defined by an existential Other. The immigrant people are correct. The liberal democratic multicultural state is incorrect and so it burns.
Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: Umbrage on August 07, 2011, 11:10:32 AM
For these people, it is about first loyalty to the existential Us, whether they are right or wrong as defined by an existential Other. The immigrant people are correct. The liberal democratic multicultural state is incorrect and so it burns.

For these people, it is about coming to a country (or being born there) that offers them plenty of opportunity to educate themselves and make a positive contribution to society. Those people then turn down or sabotage all those opportunities and instead emerge themselves in a fantasy world fueled by gangsterrap music and glorification of anything that can be considered anti-western and thus anti-social. I agree with you that it's our unnaturally constructed liberal democratic multicultural society that offers them all the tools to create such an environment for themselves. But the question remains: how come white culture usually stays out of these things and multiculture seems to be the most receptive to these negative impulses? I believe it's more than social-economic circumstances; I believe it's simply the sense of identity these people have.

I disagree with you condoning their behavior and I disagree with your suggestion that these people are right for embracing a gangster identity and lifestyle. Systems don't fail their people, people fail their systems. Politicians need to realize that liberal democracy, like any other government system, needs to be enforced with strict oppression of any form of insurgence.

Once again: I dislike liberal democracy, but I would respect it a lot more if they'd drop the hypocrisy and started laying down the law for everyone.
Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: Spectrum on August 07, 2011, 11:26:07 AM
But the question remains: how come white culture usually stays out of these things and multiculture seems to be the most receptive to these negative impulses? I believe it's more than social-economic circumstances; I believe it's simply the sense of identity these people have.

They are conditioned, because their culture is different. There are exceptions: wiggers, black-slum achievers, etc. Those people were either predisposed to another environment, or they were less socially-aware (of their own culture or identity). A stark majority of European-descended people have a different outlook than "blacks" (or browns, whatever mix they end up being in a multicultural blender). The culture contributes to the conditioning, and the conditioning influences people directly. It is actually that simple; liberals want to rewire us. Research riots in the UK and US. There are a lot more than people realize, and 99% of them occur in multicultural situations like this.
Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: scourge on August 07, 2011, 12:16:17 PM
I applaud these horrors because they are each life sized, in person trolls against a delusional system. I do not condemn the existential Other for loyalty to one another or for consistency in their own natural habits. The supposedly Enlightened moron, pretentious Western man, is dangerously out of order for his disregard of selection, fitness and domination in favor of looking benevolent. Nature rewards survival and advancement, caring nothing for, probably even punishing the pursuit of benevolent appearances.

http://violentflashmobs.com/
Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: Spectrum on August 07, 2011, 01:10:22 PM
I applaud these horrors because they are each life sized, in person trolls against a delusional system. I do not condemn the existential Other for loyalty to one another or for consistency in their own natural habits. The supposedly Enlightened moron, pretentious Western man, is dangerously out of order for his disregard of selection, fitness and domination in favor of looking benevolent. Nature rewards survival and advancement, caring nothing for, probably even punishing the pursuit of benevolent appearances.

http://violentflashmobs.com/

I remember seeing this. Thank you for finding the source.
Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: AnHero on August 07, 2011, 01:23:02 PM
http://violentflashmobs.com/

I usually don't laugh when I find someone's beliefs to be ridiculous, just roll my eyes...

This made me laugh in the context of what's going on: World Peace is Coming! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKPGvcJrrYs)
Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: Umbrage on August 08, 2011, 07:33:44 AM
Riots continue and are spreading to other areas in London (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2023554/Tottenham-riot-100-arrested-emerges-officer-flew-holiday-hours-carnage.html)

Keep burning down your own neighborhood. It's gonna be a fun Olympics 2012, London seems ready for such an event.


Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: Cargést on August 08, 2011, 04:16:21 PM
Hahaha, this bullshit is happening about five minutes away from me.  My Uncle is on the bloody police force, and his squad have apparently just arrested forty people in ten minutes.
Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: AnHero on August 08, 2011, 04:27:44 PM
I applaud these horrors because they are each life sized, in person trolls against a delusional system. I do not condemn the existential Other for loyalty to one another or for consistency in their own natural habits. The supposedly Enlightened moron, pretentious Western man, is dangerously out of order for his disregard of selection, fitness and domination in favor of looking benevolent. Nature rewards survival and advancement, caring nothing for, probably even punishing the pursuit of benevolent appearances.

http://violentflashmobs.com/

This whole story is obviously all a lie. How could social media and diversity do anything but good? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKPGvcJrrYs)

(This clearly sarcastic post was deleted earlier, can I ask why?)
Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: scourge on August 08, 2011, 05:59:47 PM
Powell was right. Blame Labour:

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01.46 BBC reports an 'eerie calm' falling over Clapham while fightfighters combat a major blaze at Clapham Junction. A Panasonic store in West Ealing is being looted. Reports on LBC Radio tonight of a lad being struck on the head by a brick thrown by a gang of boys approximately 15 years-old. Looting of shops by many dozens of youths continues in Woolwich.

01.41 John McDonnell, Labour MP for Hayes and Harlington, tweets: Reaping what has been sown over 3 decades of creating grotesquely unequal society,with alienated young copying ethos of looting bankers.

Jody McIntyre, the passive-aggressive leftist gimp who rammed his wheelchair into onlooking police officers during the student demonstrations, tweets: "I would suggest young people hit the streets tomorrow with three central demands." His demands include Cameron and Clegg's resignation and the disbanding of the IPCC. And free money for pity's sake!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8687177/London-riots-live.html
Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: on August 08, 2011, 06:09:07 PM
And free money for pity's sake!

Hey - there already is free money handouts from governments. You just have to be an investment bank to be eligible.
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Because of the Collapse of 2008 financial reforms, the big investment banks are able to borrow money from the U.S. government at 0 percent interest. Then they can turn around and buy short-term bonds that pay 2 or 3 percent annual interest. Now they’re making 2 percent on whatever they borrowed. They can use leverage to increase this number, by pledging some of the bonds that they’ve already bought as collateral on additional bonds.
http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2009/10/17/how-wall-street-is-making-its-billions/

I would be interested to see how this event pans out though. Because in amongst the grieving crowds for the dead guy, the looters looking for free McDonald's and TV sets, and the hooligans that just want to watch the world burn, there also appears to be some political activists targeting banks, supermarket depots, and betting shops for arson attacks not looting. And of course, if you run a failing sole trader and owe the banks millions, what better time to torch your own enterprise and claim on the insurance, than in the middle of a riot?

Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: nothingnowhere on August 08, 2011, 06:49:42 PM
Hahaha, this bullshit is happening about five minutes away from me.  My Uncle is on the bloody police force, and his squad have apparently just arrested forty people in ten minutes.

So why aren't you beating up some degenerates instead of sitting in front of the computer then?
Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: we hope you die on August 09, 2011, 03:20:53 AM
The consensus seems to be that they are mindless hooligans with no agenda at all. And if that's the case then it seems to be more of a threat to the western way of life than if there was some political cause behind the violence. It's a reminder of just what is bubbling under the surface of supposedly civilised cities just waiting for a catalyst.
Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: Spectrum on August 09, 2011, 08:01:49 AM
The consensus seems to be that they are mindless hooligans with no agenda at all. And if that's the case then it seems to be more of a threat to the western way of life than if there was some political cause behind the violence. It's a reminder of just what is bubbling under the surface of supposedly civilised cities just waiting for a catalyst.

^ This.

The lower-primates want to loot stores and break things for their own satisfaction. Then they will play the victims in the future, just wait. Meanwhile, the police are taking it up the ass instead of utilizing bullets!
Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: on August 09, 2011, 09:17:32 AM
The consensus seems to be that they are mindless hooligans with no agenda at all. And if that's the case then it seems to be more of a threat to the western way of life than if there was some political cause behind the violence. It's a reminder of just what is bubbling under the surface of supposedly civilised cities just waiting for a catalyst.

^ This.

The lower-primates want to loot stores and break things for their own satisfaction. Then they will play the victims in the future, just wait. Meanwhile, the police are taking it up the ass instead of utilizing bullets!

I think you're missing some of the subtleties at play here. The police are silently ecstatic about what is happening here, because they are about to have their budget slashed by the government. These riots will make it political suicide to cut police funding any time soon.
Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: Spectrum on August 09, 2011, 09:44:32 AM
1)  The police are silently ecstatic about what is happening here, because they are about to have their budget slashed by the government.

2) These riots will make it political suicide to cut police funding any time soon.

1)  Is this speculative or concrete information? And why would police want less funds? They have to deal with riots regardless.

2)  Yes. And I support a less apathetic police force.

Are you saying that politicians and the police force have differing viewpoints, and that causes the lack of action on the part of officers? From what I have read, the courts in England have been very lax, and as a result, crime is surging.
Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: on August 09, 2011, 10:35:41 AM
1)  The police are silently ecstatic about what is happening here, because they are about to have their budget slashed by the government.

2) These riots will make it political suicide to cut police funding any time soon.

1)  Is this speculative or concrete information? And why would police want less funds? They have to deal with riots regardless.

2)  Yes. And I support a less apathetic police force.

Are you saying that politicians and the police force have differing viewpoints, and that causes the lack of action on the part of officers? From what I have read, the courts in England have been very lax, and as a result, crime is surging.

Woah, you're getting all over the place in this post. The government, the police, and the judiciary (courts) are all entirely independent of each other.

As part of austerity measures, the government (politicians) have announced that they will be cutting the funding that the police receives from the taxpayer. They believe there is wastage and overspend on areas like salary, overtime, and duplication of duties.

The police do not want to suffer funding cuts as that means pay cuts or more likely job losses.

Riots like this make it politically almost impossible for the government to push through their funding cuts any time soon, whilst the public has been scared into asking for more police protection for their homes and livelihoods.
Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: Umbrage on August 09, 2011, 10:55:30 AM
Biased leftist journalist interviews shopkeeper: "Are you sure they were black? I'm sure they weren't all black, were they?"

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/1646761/4c994d0d/bizar_interview_met_gedupeerde_winkeleigenaar_in_londen.html


Orthodox Jews involved in riots. I'm waiting for Varg to write another political analysis like he did about the shooting in Norway so we can unite all the people against the Jews and be true globalists scapegoating a single ethnic group while being too scared to address the real problem nationalists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRvzL9x-JdY


And here's proof that the war metal fans commenting on the anus blog about going to the London riots are in fact Turkish shopkeepers.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2023932/London-riots-2011-Theresa-May-rules-tough-action-vigilantes-defend-shops.html
Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: nothingnowhere on August 09, 2011, 11:45:30 AM
And here's proof that the war metal fans commenting on the anus blog about going to the London riots are in fact Turkish shopkeepers.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2023932/London-riots-2011-Theresa-May-rules-tough-action-vigilantes-defend-shops.html

Awesome, hilarious to see modern and over convenienced whites too afraid to defend their property.
Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: Spectrum on August 09, 2011, 11:57:09 AM

Woah, you're getting all over the place in this post. The government, the police, and the judiciary (courts) are all entirely independent of each other.

As part of austerity measures, the government (politicians) have announced that they will be cutting the funding that the police receives from the taxpayer. They believe there is wastage and overspend on areas like salary, overtime, and duplication of duties.

The police do not want to suffer funding cuts as that means pay cuts or more likely job losses.

Riots like this make it politically almost impossible for the government to push through their funding cuts any time soon, whilst the public has been scared into asking for more police protection for their homes and livelihoods.

I understand; I assumed there was some larger picture.

Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: Umbrage on August 09, 2011, 12:04:28 PM
And here's proof that the war metal fans commenting on the anus blog about going to the London riots are in fact Turkish shopkeepers.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2023932/London-riots-2011-Theresa-May-rules-tough-action-vigilantes-defend-shops.html

Awesome, hilarious to see modern and over convenienced whites too afraid to defend their property.

White people standing up for themselves? But isn't that racist? What will the media say when they've got stories and pictures of white people beating up multicultural rioters and looters victims of centuries of white oppression?
Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: nothingnowhere on August 09, 2011, 12:24:02 PM
And here's proof that the war metal fans commenting on the anus blog about going to the London riots are in fact Turkish shopkeepers.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2023932/London-riots-2011-Theresa-May-rules-tough-action-vigilantes-defend-shops.html

Awesome, hilarious to see modern and over convenienced whites too afraid to defend their property.

White people standing up for themselves? But isn't that racist? What will the media say when they've got stories and pictures of white people beating up multicultural rioters and looters victims of centuries of white oppression?


(http://savejersey.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/hipster-bike.jpg)
Come on man, let's just like, get along, like, just let the police take care of it.
Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: Von List on August 09, 2011, 01:22:59 PM
http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2011/08/two-photos-that-show-sickness-of-dwl.html



A heroic class warrior takes back what is rightfully owed to him!!!
Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: on August 09, 2011, 01:34:29 PM
http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2011/08/two-photos-that-show-sickness-of-dwl.html



A heroic class warrior takes back what is rightfully owed to him!!!

Haha, I can't believe how afraid some people are of taking a punch these days. Sure you might get a bloody nose, but at least you don't lose your pants.
Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: scourge on August 09, 2011, 03:10:41 PM
We can talk about this in great depth without even mentioning the different ethnic groups. It is a horribly designed system that works as it once advertised itself for none of the end users stuck with it. Logic errors abound. This isn't the sort of thing that a couple lines of repaired syntax (reform) will take care of.

Why has there been nothing of excellence from us to mark our era in the chapters of world history? If this were systems lifecycle development, we're all the way back at figuring out stage one, which is stage zero point one, which is to say: "what do we want to do with this civilization?" This very question has been reiterated constantly for decades on end. We call this modern politics. We can't even get to the development phase until this question is finally settled.
Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: Cargést on August 09, 2011, 03:31:04 PM
I disagree with the preceding.  We're not at the beginning, we're at the end - this is a dying civilisation.  We've already done huge amounts, have reached the summit of this civilisation, and have now jumped off the top to plummet back to the ground, ready to start again.
Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: scourge on August 09, 2011, 05:42:30 PM
The two world wars were the beginning of the end of the Enlightenment epoch. The end has been ongoing for only a few decades. How to proceed on the scale of a civilization that spans most of a hemisphere remains in dispute. The attrition of time is going to force a decision in our stead.
Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: Von List on August 09, 2011, 09:15:45 PM
Seems like the only ones defending the streets besides Turkish shop owners are soccer firms:

http://casualsunited.wordpress.com/






I simply don't see why they do not just declare martial law and march in a few thousand troops.
Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: Jim Necroslaughter on August 12, 2011, 06:33:51 PM
Hahaha, this bullshit is happening about five minutes away from me.  My Uncle is on the bloody police force, and his squad have apparently just arrested forty people in ten minutes.

Hey Cargest, did I tell you to never leave London a few weeks ago in a different thread?  Boy am I eating some crow!  Maybe Monty Python was right - RUN AWAY!  RUN AWAAAYYY!
Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: Von List on August 13, 2011, 09:22:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU5TcTSa9kk

Starkey gets it right. Notice how the white liberal starts to flog himself in front of the black woman in order to look good.
Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: we hope you die on August 14, 2011, 06:56:23 AM
I love how the other two both immediately fail to grasp the point he's making more through fear of appearing racist than through stupidity.
Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: Cargést on August 14, 2011, 10:59:59 AM
That bloke who wrote the "chav" book is a fucking moron, though.  He believes that the word "chav" is synonymous with the term "lower/working class person".  It's not.  It's synonymous with the term "chav".
Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: Von List on August 14, 2011, 02:27:26 PM
I love how Starkey is simply trying to point out the *fact* that black subculture favors criminal activity and holds up a negative outlook on education, and the the two idiots pretty much just cover their ears and hum.
Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: Conservationist on August 14, 2011, 07:16:21 PM
Diversity is tearing apart the UK and USA. It just fails every time. it fails for minorities just as much as it fails for white people.
Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: hoodwink on August 14, 2011, 09:17:52 PM
I love how Starkey is simply trying to point out the *fact* that black subculture favors criminal activity and holds up a negative outlook on education, and the the two idiots pretty much just cover their ears and hum.

also, nothing said by either the self-righteous cunt or the worm in the oxford shirt was an actual rebuttal to Starkey's points.  right, wrong or indifferent, those two proles heard something that could be construed as racist and immediately lost themselves in a haze of reflexive liberal bullshit.  whether Starkey is a bigot or just engaging in what he termed "plain speak," their arguments did nothing to weaken his case, no matter how hard they tried to convince the audience he was just a bitter white supremacist ailing against diversity.  

one of the crucial problems in this whole multicultural movement is that the opposition aren't being listened to - their arguments are (rather conveniently) tossed into the pile like so much right wing rhetoric so that the diversity crusaders, who have nothing more to say than repeating the conceit that we're all one big community, can ignore credible arguments against their position.  guilty white people have been brow-beaten to the point of thinking that any utterance involving a black person that isn't fawning is completely off-limits to anyone other than black people.  I see no reason to believe this will change anytime soon and in fact is more likely to get much worse.
Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: Conservationist on August 15, 2011, 01:33:10 AM
one of the crucial problems in this whole multicultural movement is that the opposition aren't being listened to

Let's hear the long list of liberal movements that have listened to their opposition.

(crickets)

Not to be glib about it, but when your ideology is absolute morality of the individual, you have zero tolerance for any other viewpoint.

I don't really have a problem with that per se, except when it is hypocritical. Preach tolerance, endorse pogromism. Errr....
Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: scourge on August 15, 2011, 07:55:12 AM
I love how Starkey is simply trying to point out the *fact* that black subculture favors criminal activity and holds up a negative outlook on education, and the the two idiots pretty much just cover their ears and hum.

That isn't a fact but a cruel distortion of the facts. Diversity does not work because all people are not universally interchangeable.

If we put the wrong parts into a particular machine it will quickly break down. The breaking down result does not necessarily indicate any of the parts are defective. All we would know at that point is the mechanic is incompetent.

If we take operating system code from Linux and integrate it into Windows, Windows will eventually malfunction. That doesn't mean any of the Linux code was faulty. It means the moron integrating Linux code into Windows, like our egalitarian humanists, is an unwitting (although at this late stage I have my doubts) saboteur, not a programmer.
Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: Olestra on August 17, 2011, 01:05:24 AM
Race and culture are an element of these riots but I don't think they were a major catalyst.

The problem is that the UK has a large degenerate underclass that is incapable of/does not want to operate within the 'rules' of liberal democracy. Some of the more capable individuals end up as successful criminals (something for the rest to aspire to) while others are propped up by our welfare system. The best that civilized society has to offer is a life serving Big Macs so in a sense is it any surprise that so many turn to crime?

I think that Starkey has clumsily (if not inaccurately) pointed out that what has historically been considered a black sub culture has now been adopted by the entire underclass. The black underclass sub culture has assimilated the underclass whites, asians etc.

Of course the unrest has been blown out of proportion because we have become so precious and fixate ourselves on every individual tragedy and the police seem to lack control because every rioter has an encyclopedia of human rights to consider. We have all been taught how wonderful our liberal democracy is and therefore such flagrant disregard for law and order seems shocking. In terms of the actual level of threat to the established order they barely register.

Starkey touches on another important point - that the primary motivation of the rioters was consumerism. This can be distinguished from the traditional crime of the poor classes which is aimed at fulfilling basic need of hunger. We have created a generation of consumers but some of them do not have the talent or wits to obtain these products by conventional means so they resort to thievery,

It's just another symptom of a society with no goals.
Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: we hope you die on August 17, 2011, 03:57:05 AM
Two points:

The fact that the riots were focused on the acquisition of none essential goods such as TVs and shoes does indeed show that there is a general lack of direction in society beyond materialism. The fact that this seems to be the sign of success in society has led some people to obtain it by violent means.

Secondly, one of the hidelines on the BBC homepage now has some politicians and commentators arguing that the sentences for rioters are too harsh. You really can't have it both ways.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14553330
Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: Olestra on August 17, 2011, 05:44:24 AM
Two points:

The fact that the riots were focused on the acquisition of none essential goods such as TVs and shoes does indeed show that there is a general lack of direction in society beyond materialism. The fact that this seems to be the sign of success in society has led some people to obtain it by violent means.

Secondly, one of the hidelines on the BBC homepage now has some politicians and commentators arguing that the sentences for rioters are too harsh. You really can't have it both ways.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14553330

This jumped out at me from the quotes in that article:-

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Andrew Neilson, of the Howard League for Penal Reform, said: "A four-year sentence would normally be associated with offences such as holding someone up at knife point, grievous bodily harm, sexual assault, and I'm not sure that the offence in question was really related to those types of offences."

Too true - four years for holding someone at knife point, GBH or sexual assault is ridiculously low. If we're going to spend money imprisoning dangerous criminals let's do try to do it effectively!

The problem is that in Europe every sex offender, thief, thug, rapist and murderer is a precious snowflake with an endless list of unalienable human rights. This further increases the cost of imprisoning criminals. Oh wait - we can't afford to imprison people! So that paedophile who fiddled with a 5 year old a few years ago? He's now living next door to you and your family.

Events such as the riots demonstrate how divided a western country such as the UK is with regards to a clear direction forward. Starkey has caused an absolute shit storm with his comments and the hypocritical left wing media establishment is out in force demanding that Starkey be banned from airing his views, hung by black people etc. Despite the shit cake the general public is constantly being fed by the BBC and the rest of the left wing media, my anecdotal experience is that most Brits would have some sympathy with the general point Starkey tried to put across - which is basically that there is a degenerate underclass culture in Britain which is largely influenced by black pop culture.
 
I'm constantly being sent links to articles written by some wet blanket at the Guardian who is wagging a finger at the rest of us for 'failing' these disaffected youths. The left simply can't accept that we have a largely biological underclass - these people are the pond scum of our nation. We shift them off to ghettos (where they will hopefully commit crimes as far away from our middle class suburbs as possible) and keep them on welfare in the hope that they will be content to live out a relatively quiet life of cheap booze, fags, TV and scratch cards. The left will fail because they don't realise that these people are slaves. The mainstream right have been dragged so far left that they don't have anything meaningful to say - they want longer custodial sentences until they realise the expense of doing so.
Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: Olestra on August 17, 2011, 06:18:52 AM
Here is Owen Jones' web page on the Guardian webite (the other white guy in the Starkey interview):-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/profile/owen-jones

His favourite artists are Coldplay, 0peth and Jay Z.
Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: Conservationist on August 20, 2011, 10:05:37 AM
The problem is that the UK has a large degenerate underclass that is incapable of/does not want to operate within the 'rules' of liberal democracy.

Because the rules of liberal democracy are paradoxical, perhaps?

It may be a symptom of a society with no goals, but part of that is multiculturalism, which guarantees perpetual majority/minority conflicts. Ethnic homogeneity is where it's at. If you don't have ethnic homogeneity, you have no shared values and your society ALWAYS degenerates into anarchy.

Feel free to name exceptions. It's a null list.
Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: Transilvania on August 21, 2011, 04:39:32 AM
This is more or less a 100x worse Stalinist regime. Not only is it catering to the lower-class masses, it is self-perpetuating because the masses only become bigger and stupider as time goes on.
It's like an infectious protist colony in our bodies that we keep feeding because it would be "unfair" to let it die off.
Title: Re: Riots in London after criminal is killed by police
Post by: Cargést on August 21, 2011, 12:16:18 PM
Almost as soon as the ship was unleashed into the waters, it started sinking.  Two groups formed out of those on board.  The minority said "Go back!  Swim to the shore!", but were shouted down.  Those who most loudly proclaimed "Come, this is no problem - let us simply remove the water as it builds up!" were raised above their peers.  The minority shook their heads, and, one by one, they deserted the ship to swim back.  Those who remained, remained only to try to persuade the others of the futility of their attempts, though they, too, eventually fled, for their own safety.

As the ship sailed on, the water began to seep in faster and faster.  The efforts of those on board were not enough to stem the flow of water dragging them down.  However, even as they waded up to their knees on the top deck, they were adamant in their desire to keep going forward, driven by the rhetoric of those more equal than them.  Finally, the ship sank completely, taking all aboard down into the waters with it.  Those who had swum back to the shore could only look on in dismay, as those they had set off with disappeared into the depths.

"Never again shall we attempt to build a ship without a hull".