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Title: A-list metal
Post by: Conservationist on August 17, 2011, 11:44:56 AM
HEAVY

* Angel Witch
* Judas Priest
* Iron Maiden
* Black Sabbath

HEAVY/SPEED

* Motorhead

SPEED

* Metallica
* Nuclear Assault
* Exodus

SPEED/DEATH

* Slayer
* Rigor Mortis
* Destruction

PROTO-UNDERGROUND

* Hellhammer
* Bathory
* Merciless
* Sarcofago

DEATH

* Possessed
* Sepultura
* Massacra
* Master
* Morbid Angel
* Deicide
* Incantation
* Immolation
* Suffocation
* Monstrosity
* Demigod
* Carnage
* Amorphis
* Nihilist
* At the Gates
* Demilich
* Asphyx
* Pestilence
* Sinister/Ceremony
* Malediction
* Sentenced

BLACK

* Immortal
* Beherit
* Graveland
* Mayhem
* Emperor
* Gorgoroth
* Belial
* Burzum
* Impaled Nazarene
* Darkthrone
* Summoning
* Varathron
* Demoncy
* Profanatica/Havohej

HARDCORE

* GBH
* Discharge
* Amebix
* The Exploited
* Black Flag

THRASH

* DRI
* Suicidal Tendencies
* Cryptic Slaughter
* COC
* Fearless Iranians From Hell

GRINDCORE

* Repulsion
* Terrorizer
* Carcass
* Napalm Death
* Carbonized
* Blood

METALCORE

* Neurosis
* Human Remains
* Today is the Day
* Discordance Axis

POST-INDIE

* Jesu

Did I miss anyone?
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: JewishPhysics on August 17, 2011, 12:04:37 PM
I'd be very sad if Gorguts was left off the Death Metal list or Enslaved was left off the Black Metal list.  I think there might also be an argument for Exhorder in the Speed/Death category.
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: Examiner on August 17, 2011, 12:26:46 PM
I find it pretty far-fetched to call Gorgoroth A-list.

My suggestion would Manilla Road and/or Legend as there is nothing in that vain on your list. Impetigo, S.O.B and Carnivore would also fit into the A-list criteria.
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: nothingnowhere on August 17, 2011, 01:35:59 PM
I find it pretty far-fetched to call Gorgoroth A-list.

Try again (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cFh9pYylGs&feature=related)

This is ten thousand light years ahead of those other 3 bands you mentioned.
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: Umbrage on August 17, 2011, 02:09:49 PM
Did I miss anyone?

Ildjarn and (early) Samael are A-list black metal.

Deeds Of Flesh is A-list death metal. So is the first Dissection album.

Sentenced is B-list death metal.
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: hoodwink on August 17, 2011, 03:16:13 PM
Did I miss anyone?

Ildjarn

Totally agree with this one.  Pretty much a seminal body of work from start to finish. 

Enslaved and Bolt Thrower are curious omissions. 
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: Cynical on August 17, 2011, 04:43:37 PM
Mercyful Fate, Sacramentum, Therion, Necrophobic, Gorguts, Enslaved, and Autopsy should be added, IMO.  Possibly Averse Sefira, Ildjarn/Sort Vokter, and Dismember, as well.   I would add The Chasm, although I know we'll never agree on that one.

I'd personally remove Nuclear Assault, Exodus, Monstrosity, Carnage, Nihilist, Belial, Napalm Death, and the entire Metalcore section.  All of those bands (aside from Napalm Death and the metalcore bands) are great, but not up to the standards of the rest of that list.  Possibly remove Demigod, Impaled Nazarene (sorry Finland!), Iron Maiden, and Summoning as well.

I've actually never heard Malediction.
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: Cargést on August 17, 2011, 05:12:13 PM
Don't add anything to the A-list.  Instead, raise the bar of all lists - A, B, and C - and redefine some of these bands as B grade.  The A-list is the music that so greatly encapsulates/enhances the Metal Spirit that Metal music as a whole would be lesser for its absence.

Better yet, stop talking about A-list bands, start talking about A-list albums.  Are Belus/Covenant up there with Det Som Engang Var/Altars of Madness?  Fuck no.

Also, cheers to this thread for getting me back into Merciless.
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: Chains on August 18, 2011, 04:11:32 AM
I second Ildjarn, Sort Vokter, Gorguts, Enslaved and Exhorder. Also, Celtic Frost - Morbid Tales.

I think Varathron, Impaled Nazarene, Belial, Carnage and Sentenced have no business being mentioned in these lists.
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: nothingnowhere on August 18, 2011, 05:35:44 AM
I think Varathron, Impaled Nazarene, Belial, Carnage and Sentenced have no business being mentioned in these lists.

They should be replaced with Sacramentum.
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: Dinaric Leather on August 18, 2011, 08:18:27 AM
I don't get why you're, making this list but I know a few bands to add to the hardcore punk A-list

* Dr. Know
* Cro-Mags (How did you miss this one?)
* Riistetyt
* Gang Green

I know most people don't hold Blasphemy in high regard as I do (Only Satan knows fucking why) but if you're going to have ImpNaz and Blood on there...

Also, Absurd needs to make an appearance on there somewhere. Probably under Black Metal but an argument could be made to put them under Hardcore Punk.

I'd also consider putting NME under Speed/Death.
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: E on August 18, 2011, 11:34:34 AM
With this list, I'll be able to compile mixtapes for uninterested females in a jiffy.
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: lord.aspie on August 18, 2011, 03:01:55 PM
You forgot:

DOOM
*Thergothon
* Skepticism.

And dISEMBOWELMENT under death metal.

Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: Jim Necroslaughter on August 19, 2011, 07:48:09 PM
Enslaved
Ildjarn
Bolt Thrower
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: Rot on August 22, 2011, 10:03:18 AM
Post-Indie: Atomizer

Hardcore: Fear, Death (70s Detroit band, I do wonder how the Bad Brains got this material to copy it, or maybe its something else)

Heavy: Manilla Road (give Crystal Logic a listen already)

Speed: Sabbat (from Japan,  they're just as good and even a bit better than Mercyful Fate, Satanasword is their finest moment, a classic!)

Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: Cargést on August 23, 2011, 09:07:51 AM
Heavy: Manilla Road (give Crystal Logic a listen already)

Agreed.

Is this list going to be updated or altered any time soon?  Is anything going to be done with it?
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: Transilvania on August 23, 2011, 01:20:01 PM
Shouldn't there be an official DLA review for Prong's "Beg to Differ" given that it's referred to as the band's "opus" on their page?
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: nastrond on August 23, 2011, 08:55:15 PM
Atheist!!!!! 
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: nastrond on August 25, 2011, 06:45:10 AM
I should have been more descriptive, I cast my vote (yay!!!1) for  Gorguts, Mercyful Fate, and Deeds of Flesh as well.  Maybe replace Sentenced with Atheist.  Consider Cadaver-Hallucinating Anxiety.

Therion has never done too much for me and I haven't given Ildjarn or Sacramentum a scrutinizing listen
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: Winter on August 25, 2011, 08:31:59 PM
Is there any other rank of metal or do you guys all consider everything on the A list to be equal?
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: Cargést on August 26, 2011, 03:59:45 AM
Nothing is equal, but, at the same time, everything is in constant flux.  Some albums are now better than other albums which used to be superior. Anicca, etc.
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: David_Brent on August 26, 2011, 09:35:06 AM
"METALCORE

* Neurosis
* Human Remains
* Today is the Day
* Discordance Axis

POST-INDIE

* Jesu"

Which albums are we talking about here?
Also Power Metal:
*Blind Guardian
*Crimson Glory
*Hammers of Misfortune
*Stratovarius
*Iced Earth
*Cirith Ungol
*Helloween
*Manowar
*Fates Warning
*Angra
*Lost Horizon
*Pagan's mind
*Running wild

Why not making an A list (Sentenced) and a Triple A (Burzum) list?
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: Humanicide on August 26, 2011, 11:26:53 AM
Of course the personal taste of members varies widely as well. These lists were more compiled as a middle ground for people to agree on.
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: death metal black metal on August 26, 2011, 12:01:31 PM
Is there any other rank of metal or do you guys all consider everything on the A list to be equal?

I don't. A list is a cutoff: anything above this point is metal that I would recommend to:

* A literate musical listener of any genre(s)
* A classical listener
* A teacher
* A journalist
* An intelligent person
* Any Hessian with IQ over 110

Also Power Metal:

I know nothing about power metal except Helstar, of course. I think it should go into speed metal, since it's essentially speed metal with heavy metal vocals and some black/death technique, but that's not unique -- every post-black/death genre incorporates black/death technique.
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: Chains on August 26, 2011, 12:46:45 PM
Why not making an A list (Sentenced) and a Triple A (Burzum) list?

We do. We just call the AAA list A and the A list B.
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: Conservationist on August 27, 2011, 07:55:27 AM
I don't think this should become a jihad to eliminate "inferior" bands. Sentenced is fucking great, for example.

Here are some useful categories:

1. HISTORICAL

1983-1994 were the years of the growth of a genre. We should document it, all of it.

2. BEST OF

The easy test: would you recommend this to an intelligent non-metalhead? The answer is probably true for about 40 bands.

3. AESTHETICS

Are Venom and Mordred important? Yes, historically and in the development of aesthetic.

4. GUILTY PLEASURES

Can I "prove" to you that Von is any good? Who cares...

5. TECHNICAL MERIT

Cynic may be homosexuals who later made a turd of a second album, but their first album is hard to ignore. It's an attempt to apply technical knowledge to metal.

6. POPULARITY

Yes, fuck-me-in-the-ass-with-a-Honda, this is important. Pantera are execrable crap, but they defined much of the history to follow and much of what bands in that time reacted to, whether positively or negatively.

###

We could say that 3, 5 and 6 are subsets of 1

I think it would be a real mistake to confuse 2 and 4, but most average idiots assume we're doing that anyone. (VON probably belongs in the history section as well...)
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: Spectrum on August 28, 2011, 06:25:30 PM
Perhaps we can use this thread to flesh out a list for use on DeathMetal.org?
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: Winter on September 11, 2011, 11:22:40 PM
Nox Intempesta is incredible. I think they should be included.
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: Cargést on September 12, 2011, 08:12:06 AM
ICP is incredible.  I think they should be included.
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: Winter on September 12, 2011, 08:24:11 AM
I didnt think I would need to explain my statment. Yours on the other hand...

Really though, What are your opinion on them? Im pretty bad at describing why I find a band good withouth just talking about the surface of the music.
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: MilitantIdiotCrusher on September 12, 2011, 07:14:56 PM
Mordred

the funk metal band? lol
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: Cargést on September 13, 2011, 02:26:06 AM
I didnt think I would need to explain my statment. Yours on the other hand...

I think I was suggesting that what one may or may not "think" doesn't really come into it.  To reopen a can of worms, I like Cradle of Filth's early/mid-era stuff, but I'd never argue for their inclusion in a list of the very best Metal ever.  Granted, Nox Intempesta are better than Cradle of Filth, but are they as good as Burzhem or Emporoth?
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: LD50 on September 13, 2011, 05:49:46 AM
I didnt think I would need to explain my statment. Yours on the other hand...

I think I was suggesting that what one may or may not "think" doesn't really come into it.  To reopen a can of worms, I like Cradle of Filth's early/mid-era stuff, but I'd never argue for their inclusion in a list of the very best Metal ever.  Granted, Nox Intempesta are better than Cradle of Filth, but are they as good as Burzhem or Emporoth?

If we think in Death metal, there are a pretty big amount of bands/ albums that are similar or equals in terms of (very high= A) quality, but in Black Metal there are a handful of bands/ albums that configure an unreachable elite that considered as "A" would result in a very short list, maybe just 6- 8 out of the initial list. Nox intempesta are not as good as...whatever, but are better than others already listed and as good as many DM bands listed.
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: Cargést on September 13, 2011, 06:27:41 AM
So cut out those other bands as well.  They're not representative of the best of Metal, they're simply the seriously-fucking-good of Metal.
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: mandrake on September 13, 2011, 09:26:58 AM
Today Is the Day on DLA? ... i can't wait really... very curious about this...the band is practically ignored by metal archives and by the vast majority of  the metal community (as being alternative, or something), as far as i know...
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: Humanicide on September 13, 2011, 10:37:27 AM
Today Is the Day on DLA? ... i can't wait really... very curious about this...the band is practically ignored by metal archives and by the vast majority of  the metal community (as being alternative, or something), as far as i know...

THIS is "alternative"? (ignore how cheesy the video is)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPvR45IvBcg&feature=relmfu

I don't know about them being "A" list material, but they're certainly a unique presence in the metal world. I enjoy their Swans/doom metal/grind/noise combination. Definitely a band that is not afraid to innovate. Not surprised they're ignored by most of the metal community; they actually do something different than most bands.
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: Ksatria/Gang_Rapist on September 27, 2011, 03:44:14 PM
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THIS is "alternative"? (ignore how cheesy the video is)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPvR45IvBcg&feature=relmfu

I don't know about them being "A" list material, but they're certainly a unique presence in the metal world. I enjoy their Swans/doom metal/grind/noise combination. Definitely a band that is not afraid to innovate. Not surprised they're ignored by most of the metal community; they actually do something different than most bands.

^^^ 7 million % better than Atheist's Jupiter.

Never had the patience for metalcore, but this is actually interesting.
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: Humanicide on September 29, 2011, 06:06:32 PM
Hardcore: Fear, Death (70s Detroit band, I do wonder how the Bad Brains got this material to copy it, or maybe its something else)


Stole? My ass. The Death from Detroit is overrated as hell and only hyped up because they're a LONG LOST ALL BLACK PUNX BAND LOL. Their music isn't anything special. Bad Brains, however, that's a whole 'nother ballgame.

Ksatria, try out "Kiss The Pig" (the album that video's song is on) and "In The Eyes Of God". They're the only two from Today Is The Day that I've heard; both are quite good.
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: Mindtraveller on September 30, 2011, 08:59:57 PM
Sacramentum, Therion, Necrophobic, Gorguts, Enslaved, Dismember, as well.
Agree, these are essential. As another poster mentioned, there's alot more A-list death metal than black metal.

Quote
I'd personally remove Nuclear Assault, Exodus, Monstrosity, Carnage, Nihilist, Belial, Napalm Death  
Yeah non-metalheads wouldn't really need to hear these bands. Same with Malediction, Impaled Nazarene, Possessed...  etc. Hessian-only material.

Manilla Road is an eccentricity, not a legend. CANDLEMASS is a heavy metal legend.

Also Power Metal:
*Blind Guardian
*Crimson Glory
*Hammers of Misfortune
*Stratovarius
*Iced Earth
*Cirith Ungol
*Helloween
*Manowar
*Fates Warning
*Angra
*Lost Horizon
*Pagan's mind
*Running wild
These bands are all good, but I'd shorten the list to Iced Earth, Helloween, Fates Warning, Lost Horizon.  maybe Blind Guardian.
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: LD50 on October 06, 2011, 02:41:21 PM

CANDLEMASS is a heavy metal legend.



And if they aren't, they should be: NIGHTFALL is an awesome masterpiece, A+ without doubt, and they have much more good stuff, but just their NIGHTFALL gives them right to be in the A list. Their style/ genre is not very much attended in this forum, but Nightfall is an album all ppl into metal should know. When I listen to nightfall I sometimes feel it's a pitty they hadn't been a bit more extreme band, but actually they don't need that, the album is very much more than OK as it is.
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: Mindtraveller on October 06, 2011, 04:27:00 PM
Nightfall and Epicus Doomicus Metallicus are both first tier, the rest are fodder.  Nightfall is more upbeat and catchy, Epicus is more menacing, both genuinely epic. I'm not sure which one I like more.
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: LD50 on October 06, 2011, 05:33:45 PM
Nightfall and Epicus Doomicus Metallicus are both first tier, the rest are fodder.  Nightfall is more upbeat and catchy, Epicus is more menacing, both genuinely epic. I'm not sure which one I like more.

I like very much Ancient Dreams too, it's not that good but it's close.

Also Power Metal:
*Blind Guardian
*Crimson Glory
*Hammers of Misfortune
*Stratovarius
*Iced Earth
*Cirith Ungol
*Helloween
*Manowar
*Fates Warning
*Angra
*Lost Horizon
*Pagan's mind
*Running wild
These bands are all good, but I'd shorten the list to Iced Earth, Helloween, Fates Warning, Lost Horizon.  maybe Blind Guardian.

I have no problem with that bands, some great albums (Crimson Glory "transcendence") but Stratovarius should be wept.
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: reasonable on October 08, 2011, 01:07:33 AM
Also Power Metal:
*Blind Guardian
*Crimson Glory
*Hammers of Misfortune
*Stratovarius
*Iced Earth
*Cirith Ungol
*Helloween
*Manowar
*Fates Warning
*Angra
*Lost Horizon
*Pagan's mind
*Running wild
These bands are all good, but I'd shorten the list to Iced Earth, Helloween, Fates Warning, Lost Horizon.  maybe Blind Guardian.

Hmmm, not sure I can agree with that. If you think it's fine to leave Lost Horizon on the list, then I don't see any particularly good reason for not leaving Angra, Pagan's Mind, Hammers of Misfortune, and Running Wild on the list. I haven't listened to Lost Horizon in a couple of years, but I remember that the only things about them that stood out were their very talented singer and their goofy sci fi concept. As songwriters they didn't particularly stand out to me. I think those other bands I mentioned are all better in that sense. I don't see how they're better overall than those other bands (I also love Running Wild, but that's my personal idiosyncrasy; I make no judgment concerning whether they're A-list or not.)
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: Conservationist on October 10, 2011, 02:09:39 PM
We need to be very cynical and careful about this list.

Putting stuff from the C-list to the A-list is the equivalent of the French revolution, and it's what hosed down metal in the late 1990s.
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: Winter on October 23, 2011, 03:02:32 AM
there will never be another hvis lyset tar oss. it depresses me every time i finish listening to it.
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: Humanicide on October 23, 2011, 11:16:31 AM
there will never be another hvis lyset tar oss. it depresses me every time i finish listening to it.

If you're looking for another of the same album, you're doing it wrong.
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: Conservationist on January 12, 2012, 03:53:16 PM
We should really make a list of post-collapse albums, e.g. the 100-500 albums you'll save with you for after the collapse. This would be in addition to the classical canon. E.g. what of modern society is worth saving.

Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: ksava on January 14, 2012, 04:03:36 AM
We should really make a list of post-collapse albums, e.g. the 100-500 albums you'll save with you for after the collapse. This would be in addition to the classical canon. E.g. what of modern society is worth saving.


Would this include just metal, or other genres like prog rock, too?
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: Iron on January 14, 2012, 08:34:58 PM
We should really make a list of post-collapse albums, e.g. the 100-500 albums you'll save with you for after the collapse. This would be in addition to the classical canon. E.g. what of modern society is worth saving.



I think this is a really cool idea.

Actually, I've been thinking a lot about all this 'listing' that seems to go on on this website. I wonder if there is a way that we could use these forums to build a comprehensive list that we could all live with. Clearly, we all enjoy building these hypothetical lists or think there is some utility in it. Over the last few years, I've heard rumors about ANUS.com aspiring to printed publication. An 'official' ANUS list of essential metal albums seems like a good idea, if the intention is to open this subculture up to outside academic/critical attention.

Obviously one problem that continually presents itself is the difficulty in making those judgment calls about whether a given album is good because it happens to suit one's own idiosyncratic tastes, or because it's 'objectively' good, i.e, a classic. If the criteria for judgment are sharply enough defined, maybe we can overcome that issue.

Anyway... I wonder if these forums could support some sort of polling system. I realize that probably sounds unpleasantly democratic, but the problems presented by that can probably be worked around, and it seems like an efficient way to build a picture of what this forum population's consensus is about A-list/classic/post-apocalyptic-relic albums.
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: Conservationist on January 20, 2012, 10:00:30 PM
Would this include just metal, or other genres like prog rock, too?

All works from all genres which meet the standard of, say, Incantation's first album.
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: Nightspirit on January 22, 2012, 07:11:25 AM
I figured someone would mention hip-hop, but you went to jazz, which is at least respectable.

Would it be out of the question to nominate Punk/Hardcore for a bit more coverage? Here's my plea: The genre revolts against the a-typical verse-chorus/verse-chorus and blows completely out of their expected gridlink in that the injection of "metallic" styles allowed the simplicity of an influence like Minor Threat to evolve into Cro-Mags. - that's just how I see it.
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: Conservationist on January 22, 2012, 11:00:48 AM
I can support some hardcore, like the first Cro-Mags and first two Amebix releases. Other than that, it's boring. I like the idea of it however and have enjoyed it thoroughly in my life, but it's not music you can base a new civilization upon.
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: druid on January 24, 2012, 04:11:42 PM
 

 A list Metal:

Years and bands that produced A grade Metal albums.

Heavy Metal:

Black Sabbath: 1970-1971
Judas priest :1976-1978, 1990, 2005
Iron Maiden: 1980-1986

Speed Metal:
Metallica: 1983-1988
Slayer:1983-1985
Megadeth: 1984-1990
Overkill: 1985-1987
Exodus: 1985
Metal Church: 1985
Kreator: 1985-1990
Sodom: 1986-1989
Dark Angel: 1986
Sepultura: 1986-1991
Testament: 1987

First Wave Black Metal:

Mercyful Fate: 1983-1984
Bathory: 1984-1991
Celtic Frost: 1985-1987
King Daimond: 1987-1988

Death Metal:

Possessed:1985
Death: 1987-1990
Morbid Angel: 1989-1991
Atheist:1989
Deicide: 1990-1992
suffocation: 1991
Demilich: 1993


Second Wave Black Metal:

Darkthrone: 1992-1994
Burzum: 1992-1994
Immortal:1992-1995
Emperor: 1994
Mayhem: 1994
Gorgoroth: 1994-1996
Graveland: 1994-2000
Sacrementum: 1996






Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: crimsonking on January 29, 2012, 01:35:12 AM


 A list Metal:

Years and bands that produced A grade Metal albums.

Heavy Metal:

Black Sabbath: 1970-1971
Judas priest :1976-1978, 1990, 2005
Iron Maiden: 1980-1986
Motorhead: 1977-1986

Speed Metal:
*Metallica: 1983-1986
*Slayer:1983-1988
Megadeth: 1984-1990
Overkill: 1985-1987
Exodus: 1985
Metal Church: 1985
Kreator: 1985-1990
Sodom: 1986-1989
Dark Angel: 1986
Sepultura: 1986-1991
Testament: 1987

First Wave Black Metal:

Mercyful Fate: 1983-1984
Bathory: 1984-1991
*Hellhammer / Celtic Frost: 1983-1987
King Daimond: 1987-1988
*Venom - 1981-1984

Death Metal:

Possessed:1985
Death: 1987-1990
Morbid Angel: 1989-1991
*Atheist:1989-1991
Deicide: 1990-1992
*Suffocation: 1991-1995
Demilich: 1993
*Gorguts: 1993-1998
*At the Gates: 1992
*Incantation: 1992-1998
*Immolation: 1991-1996

Second Wave Black Metal:

Darkthrone: 1992-1994
Burzum: 1992-1994
Immortal:1992-1995
Emperor: 1994
*Enslaved: 1994
Mayhem: 1994
Gorgoroth: 1994-1996
Graveland: 1994-2000
Sacrementum: 1996
*Necromantia: 1993-1997
*Beherit: 1990-1993, 1995, 2009


meh. "Fixed" some of the entries. All changes marked with an asterisk. Wasn't sure where to put Godflesh, but I would regard the Godflesh EP and Streetcleaner as A level
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: David_Brent on February 08, 2012, 06:16:34 AM
Would this include just metal, or other genres like prog rock, too?

All works from all genres which meet the standard of, say, Incantation's first album.

There's probably 99% of the bands mentioned that doesn't meet that standard. You speak of not listening to the second-best in the other thread, but explain to me why I still listen to metal albums other than:
1. Burzum - Hvis lyset tar oss
2. Deicide - Legion
3. Immortal - Pure Holocaust
4. Morbid Angel - Blessed are the sick
5. Incantation - Onward to Golgotha
6. Morbid Angel - Altars of madness

If my house was on fire these are the 6 metal albums I would save, others would hardly come to mind.

Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: MiddleIndex on March 26, 2012, 02:41:45 AM


 A list Metal:

Years and bands that produced A grade Metal albums.

Heavy Metal:

Black Sabbath: 1970-1971
Judas priest :1976-1978, 1990, 2005
Iron Maiden: 1980-1986

Speed Metal:
Metallica: 1983-1988
Slayer:1983-1985
Megadeth: 1984-1990
Overkill: 1985-1987
Exodus: 1985
Metal Church: 1985
Kreator: 1985-1990
Sodom: 1986-1989
Dark Angel: 1986
Sepultura: 1986-1991
Testament: 1987

First Wave Black Metal:

Mercyful Fate: 1983-1984
Bathory: 1984-1991
Celtic Frost: 1985-1987
King Daimond: 1987-1988

Death Metal:

Possessed:1985
Death: 1987-1990
Morbid Angel: 1989-1991
Atheist:1989
Deicide: 1990-1992
suffocation: 1991
Demilich: 1993


Second Wave Black Metal:

Darkthrone: 1992-1994
Burzum: 1992-1994
Immortal:1992-1995
Emperor: 1994
Mayhem: 1994
Gorgoroth: 1994-1996
Graveland: 1994-2000
Sacrementum: 1996

You ticked a few bands that i would of put forward

Pestilence - Consuming Impulse
Num Skull - Future - Our Terror
Hellwitch - Omnipotent Convocation
early Entombed too
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: Dinaric Leather on March 28, 2012, 10:57:49 AM
I can support some hardcore, like the first Cro-Mags and first two Amebix releases. Other than that, it's boring. I like the idea of it however and have enjoyed it thoroughly in my life, but it's not music you can base a new civilization upon.
What about Black Flags "Damaged"? I always considered that the best of the genre. Circle Jerks "Group Sex" is a close second.
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: Humanicide on March 28, 2012, 02:47:43 PM
I'm a fan of Black Flag pre-Rollns, but "Damaged" is good enough regardless of my distaste for the vocals. I'd include it. "Group Sex", as well. There's a lot of really good early punk/hardcore that this site seems to miss/ignore.

Comprehensive punk list (so far):

The Stooges
The MC5
Cro-Mags
Amebix
Fear
Black Flag
Circle Jerks
Discharge
The Exploited
GBH
Minor Threat
Bad Brains
Disfear

others I'd include for historical/quality purposes:

Mob 47
Crucifix
Broken Bones
Die Kreuzen
SS Decontrol
Raw Power
G.I.S.M.
Larm
Ratos de Porao
Negative Approach

Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: Wolfgang on March 30, 2012, 04:29:40 AM


 A list Metal:

Years and bands that produced A grade Metal albums.

Heavy Metal:

Black Sabbath: 1970-1971
Judas priest :1976-1978, 1990, 2005
Iron Maiden: 1980-1986
Motorhead: 1977-1986

Speed Metal:
*Metallica: 1983-1986
*Slayer:1983-1988
Megadeth: 1984-1990
Overkill: 1985-1987
Exodus: 1985
Metal Church: 1985
Kreator: 1985-1990
Sodom: 1986-1989
Dark Angel: 1986
Sepultura: 1986-1991
Testament: 1987

First Wave Black Metal:

Mercyful Fate: 1983-1984
Bathory: 1984-1991
*Hellhammer / Celtic Frost: 1983-1987
King Daimond: 1987-1988
*Venom - 1981-1984

Death Metal:

Possessed:1985
Death: 1987-1990
Morbid Angel: 1989-1991
*Atheist:1989-1991
Deicide: 1990-1992
*Suffocation: 1991-1995
Demilich: 1993
*Gorguts: 1993-1998
*At the Gates: 1992
*Incantation: 1992-1998
*Immolation: 1991-1996

Second Wave Black Metal:

Darkthrone: 1992-1994
Burzum: 1992-1994
Immortal:1992-1995
Emperor: 1994
*Enslaved: 1994
Mayhem: 1994
Gorgoroth: 1994-1996
Graveland: 1994-2000
Sacrementum: 1996
*Necromantia: 1993-1997
*Beherit: 1990-1993, 1995, 2009


meh. "Fixed" some of the entries. All changes marked with an asterisk. Wasn't sure where to put Godflesh, but I would regard the Godflesh EP and Streetcleaner as A level

I would add these albums, and suggest maybe these subtractions

Black Sabbath at least until 73 but I'd like to take Sabotage if I could too.
Captain Beyond 71 (this is more progressive rock but I don't go anywhere without it)
Candlemass 86 - 89
Pagan Altar
Pentagram 85-88(+demo comps)
No King Diamond albums, Mercyful Fate is mandatory and cancels the need for them out entirely.

These later period heavy/doom bands would likely be disputed by other members but for me they'd be essential.
Cathedral
Sleep
Electric Wizard

I think we could cut out a whole bunch of the shitty and rip off thrash/speed like Testament, Sodom, Megadeth etc. Not that these bands didn't make contributions, good albums or at the very least songs but do we really need a Testament album in a post Apocalyptic world other than to sharpen and throw at the neck of a game animal or a member of an enemy raiding party? If we're putting in chud like that, then lets at least put in something that actually does what the genre is supposed to do, irrelevant or not, and include an obscure album like Morbid Saint's Spectrum of Death. Reinsert Justice in the Metallica discog...taking that out is treason!

Deathstrike/Master 85-91
Amorphis 92
Demigod 93
Cryptopsy 94-96
Morbid Angel adding 93, 98
Massacra 90-91
Merciless 91
Satyricon 96
Varathron 93
Havohej 91

I should stop here because I'd imagine we might be running out of room even if there is more that belongs on here, and I'd start chucking Graveland, Metal Church and Overkill albums left and right. I might chuck those Overkill ones anyway.

To make some room for high end newer bands that probably aren't as "good" as the classics but are what I am here to feel and experience in the moment and thus hold a strong affinity for. It would be a great disservice to exclude a whole generation of elite bands(and from my own subjective opinion a group as enjoyable and fundamentally valid as the previous generation)

Demoncy
Necros Christos
Disma
Goreaphobia
Cruicamentum
Grave Miasma
Lie in Ruins
Impiety
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: analrapist on April 19, 2012, 06:20:16 AM
Metal Church: 1985
*Venom - 1981-1984
Pagan Altar
Pentagram 85-88(+demo comps)
Sleep
Electric Wizard
Satyricon 96
Necros Christos
Disma
Grave Miasma
Lie in Ruins
Impiety

No, fucking no, quit adding mediocre crap to the pile. These threads are all ruin because each little person has to add their own little list of guilty pleasuers so they can claim those mediocre bands are classics so it's normal to listen to them.
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: Eleison on April 23, 2012, 07:36:08 AM
Would this include just metal, or other genres like prog rock, too?

All works from all genres which meet the standard of, say, Incantation's first album.

That's going to be a very short list, not that I have a problem with that.
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: Endless on June 10, 2012, 02:16:13 PM
And what about electronic/IDM

Kraftwerk
Tangerine Dream
Jean-Michel Jarre
Dead Can Dance
Autechre

add Lord Wind if you really want to put I think Kraftwerk is more imporant.
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: Moringotto on June 24, 2012, 12:01:48 AM
This isn't a challenge, so much as a genuine inquiry.

Would someone explain how Merciless fits into the proto-underground category? 

On the surface, and I haven't listened to them extensively, they don't seem to fit there.
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: lost_wanderer on October 31, 2012, 08:06:23 PM
I'll put Autopsy on the A-list.

Maybe the second album from Dimmu Borgir should be considered too.

Also

rotting Christ
Esoteric
Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: fallot on December 13, 2012, 02:12:25 AM
Adramelch (Ita) - Irae Melanox (1988)

The vocals are a definite aesthetic challenge, but this is heavy metal incorporating some elements of death metal/progressive songwriting in a manner similar to, but surpassing, Helstar. A few (what are now) power metal cliches are jarring interruptions, but do not obscure the overall picture. Overall a solidly credible metal album. Thin but effective atmospheric production, has to be very loud to be effective. Wonderful neoclassical music.

http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/Adramelch/Irae_Melanox/4134/failsafeman

"Take a look at the dark, melancholy painting on the cover, with the castle dimly discernible in the distance; THAT is what the album sounds like, but from a distinctly personal human perspective instead of the misanthropy or epic triumph black metal tends to favor when dealing with similar medieval themes."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmV2NUviRUQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj6AsLXZEIM



Title: Re: A-list metal
Post by: Barbarossa on January 20, 2013, 04:18:00 AM
The list up top is really solid.  I do agree on a few additions and the few subtractions I can think of I probably don't know well enough to suggest.'

Additions:

Enslaved
Sacramentum
Ildjarn
Atheist
Candlemass
Cathedral

I also suggest the additions of Dark Angel and Bathory as both of those bands created a top quality album that became a foundation of the genre.  Cathedral, I suppose, also fits into the category of a band that only put out one album of such quality.