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Title: Death to racism
Post by: Conservationist on August 22, 2011, 08:01:45 PM
I have realized for some time racism is not what we want. Life is not as simple as superior/inferior.

By the same token, ethnic-cultural self-determination and rule by organic culture (http://www.anus.com/zine/blog/pivot/entry.php?id=309) is the only solution to modernity, which is shiny on the outside and filled from within with a surge of disgusting rot.
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: Humanicide on August 22, 2011, 08:06:57 PM
Agreed. I cannot STAND racism. There are differences between races that are genetic, of course, but just because a person has lighter/darker skin or a wider nose or a flatter face does not make them inferior.

Someone needs to herd up the Zionists, White supremacists, Black power activists, Latino street gangs, and Islamic fundamentalists (in addition to other hateful regressive groups) and grind them all up into compost so that we may plant large fields of crops and trees; this way these groups will actually accomplish something.
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: Cargést on August 23, 2011, 03:38:21 AM
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that negroes just aren't as good as Whites at pretty much anything which we would consider to be "beneficial" in any of our societies across time.  Except running.  Some of those fuckers sure can run.
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: JewishPhysics on August 23, 2011, 07:36:29 AM
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that negroes just aren't as good as Whites at pretty much anything which we would consider to be "beneficial" in any of our societies across time.  Except running.  Some of those fuckers sure can run.
This may (or not) be true in aggregate right now, but genetic pools are not static.  There's no inherent limitation to the genetic potential of African people.

I also think the concept of racial superiority/inferiority is simply incoherent.  You have to first choose a set of objective criteria and the only one I can think of is survival.  Any other factor is by nature semi-arbitrary and something to be concerned for in intra-racial or intra-ethnic terms.
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: Spectrum on August 23, 2011, 07:48:34 AM
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that negroes just aren't as good as Whites at pretty much anything which we would consider to be "beneficial" in any of our societies across time.  Except running.  Some of those fuckers sure can run.

As JewishPhysics appointed, the objective criteria does not matter. Also, humans only need to adapt and breed; survival is easy (generally). Building a civilization is supernumerary, but all the while rewarding. As each civilization requires standards, one set of standards cannot bleed into other civilizations' standards. That would create a paradox.

On a divergent note:
 
This view is probably unpopular within the ANUSsphere, but I do not mind minor miscegenation. As long as the ethnicities in question are valid, contributing citizens, no harm can come of it. I suppose such a stance is arbitrary unless we were discussing amnesty. The point is that sometimes, standards envelope other peoples. Suffocation, for instance, has two African-descendants. Both of which are not your typical negro. Exceptions are not the rule of course.
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: Humanicide on August 23, 2011, 12:31:37 PM
On a divergent note:
 
This view is probably unpopular within the ANUSsphere, but I do not mind minor miscegenation. As long as the ethnicities in question are valid, contributing citizens, no harm can come of it. I suppose such a stance is arbitrary unless we were discussing amnesty. The point is that sometimes, standards envelope other peoples. Suffocation, for instance, has two African-descendants. Both of which are not your typical negro. Exceptions are not the rule of course.

I'm in agreement here. As long as both parents are sound in morals and good in spirit, I have no problem with what ethnicity they are. There are always exceptions.
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: Heydrich on August 23, 2011, 01:20:21 PM
I believe my race is superior to others(superior in the sense that those cultural and material things I find valuable, important and awe-inspiring are almost exclusively creations of my people) - that doesn't mean I hate, or necessarily dislike folks of other races, or cannot appreciate what they do, make, or what have you.  I am well beyond arguing that there are exceptions to rules and averages, etc. Of course there are - who cares. When all is said and done I prefer my own, that is all.  
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: Cargést on August 23, 2011, 02:18:09 PM
There's no inherent limitation to the genetic potential of African people.

No, but we may have a helping hand (http://www.anus.com/metal/hall/index.php/topic,13407.0.html).
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: Conservationist on August 24, 2011, 05:16:07 PM
I also think the concept of racial superiority/inferiority is simply incoherent.  You have to first choose a set of objective criteria and the only one I can think of is survival.  Any other factor is by nature semi-arbitrary and something to be concerned for in intra-racial or intra-ethnic terms.

That's the point Nietzsche made: all criteria are arbitrary, including the criterion that all criteria are arbitrary.

The point of nationalism isn't that other races are bad/good, it's that race/ethny is the basis of a shared cultural values system.

That is why multiculturalism, miscegenation, etc. are destructive. They destroy ethnic groups and races.
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: scourge on August 24, 2011, 06:19:06 PM
The point of nationalism isn't that other races are bad/good, it's that race/ethny is the basis of a shared cultural values system.

True. However, consider that the good vs. bad dichotomy has infected our part of the world for over fifteen centuries. So, people are predisposed to make their evaluations on this supposedly moral axis. In the last three centuries, the value system defect has worsened to equal vs. unequal.

There is only one benefit to this. By coaxing people into volunteering their valuations, it is an easy method for flushing out the dumb chimps among the very few intelligent humans. In our time especially, the chimps are very eager to display their Crowdist allegiances with their socially approved binary moral assertions.
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: Bondage on August 24, 2011, 08:01:00 PM
Kill all the black people and there won't be any more racism.
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: Conservationist on August 25, 2011, 04:29:40 PM
Kill all the black people and there won't be any more racism.

Fear of racism is just fear of natural selection.

Did evolution branch and favor the northern races? Yes.

Could we apply evolutionary pressures and apply the same benefits to the African races, who trail everyone else in IQ, health and morality? Sure.

Is it racism to notice this? No.

Is it racism to notice that different races, social classes and groups have different abilities? No.

Is it racism to say "I want to live in a country of people like me"? No.

The denigration of black people and other races, and the paranoia involving Jews, however, are both racism -- and both pointless.

Anyone who does not disregard such useless emotions is inferior and should be euthanized.
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: Spectrum on August 25, 2011, 05:06:57 PM
Anyone who does not disregard such useless emotions is inferior and should be euthanized.

Wrong. They should be impaled!

Anyhow, I think our stance on race is something the general public can understand. It is not a difficult concept, and rewriting failing morals is possible.
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: Von List on August 25, 2011, 05:38:50 PM
Well, blacks certainly commit most of the crime, that is for sure. Make of that what you will.
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: Humanicide on August 25, 2011, 07:39:04 PM
Well, blacks certainly commit most of the crime, that is for sure. Make of that what you will.

Not necessarily. They just get caught and sentenced more often.

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2008/rpt/2008-R-0008.htm (This is just in Connecticut, which I'm using as an example)

2006 - blacks committed 38% of crimes, whites committed 34%. Not too much of a difference here, and certainly not most.

Unfortunately, due to popular hip hop's unruly "culture" glorifying crime and violence to obtain riches, they're not exactly given excellent role models either.
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: Winter on August 25, 2011, 08:39:13 PM
Im my area, if there's trouble in a school or a local event, there's a black man behind it.
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: Von List on August 26, 2011, 04:43:20 PM
Just curious, how many of you actually live amongst or very near to black populations?
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: Time Curator 23 on August 26, 2011, 07:51:11 PM
I like ideas that make sense. I like the idea of multiculturalism.

But what people call "multiculturalism" today ought to be called "monoculturalism", because by forcing everybody to adhere to multiculturalism (a culture unto itself), it ceases to be multiculturalism. No one wins. It makes no sense.

True multiculturalism is giving different ethnic groups their own space as well as creating spaces for those who want to mix. Everyone wins. It just makes sense.
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: Heydrich on August 26, 2011, 08:59:17 PM
Well, blacks certainly commit most of the crime, that is for sure. Make of that what you will.

Not necessarily. They just get caught and sentenced more often.

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2008/rpt/2008-R-0008.htm (This is just in Connecticut, which I'm using as an example)

2006 - blacks committed 38% of crimes, whites committed 34%. Not too much of a difference here, and certainly not most.

Unfortunately, due to popular hip hop's unruly "culture" glorifying crime and violence to obtain riches, they're not exactly given excellent role models either.

Your numbers appear to ignore a critical fact - Whites are nearly 80% of Connecticut's population, Blacks just 10% or so. Thus, adjusted for percentage of population per capita by race, Blacks are overwhelmingly more criminal! This business about them simpy being "caught" more is naive nonsense.
 
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: Heydrich on August 26, 2011, 09:04:20 PM
Just curious, how many of you actually live amongst or very near to black populations?

I live near several large black populations. As a result, I am plenty familiar with their mischief and mayhem. I am also old enough to have seen this go on for decades. Absolutely no one need tell me how all-too-many blacks operate. 
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: Winter on August 26, 2011, 09:36:56 PM
Just curious, how many of you actually live amongst or very near to black populations?

Live near a black population? No, but when i'm around them in large groups they're always the loudest or the first ones to start shit with someone else.
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: Humanicide on August 26, 2011, 09:42:55 PM
Well, blacks certainly commit most of the crime, that is for sure. Make of that what you will.

Not necessarily. They just get caught and sentenced more often.

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2008/rpt/2008-R-0008.htm (This is just in Connecticut, which I'm using as an example)

2006 - blacks committed 38% of crimes, whites committed 34%. Not too much of a difference here, and certainly not most.

Unfortunately, due to popular hip hop's unruly "culture" glorifying crime and violence to obtain riches, they're not exactly given excellent role models either.

Your numbers appear to ignore a critical fact - Whites are nearly 80% of Connecticut's population, Blacks just 10% or so. Thus, adjusted for percentage of population per capita by race, Blacks are overwhelmingly more criminal! This business about them simpy being "caught" more is naive nonsense.
 

They get caught more often because to be honest, police officers generally suspect them more (especially non black officers). Sucks, but then again they're victims of their own design, so you won't hear me feeling sorry for them.

I recently moved to Maryland so I live on a street with a good amount of black families. Nothing's been out of the ordinary so far. At my parents' house in NY there are few blacks in the immediate vicinity, but a town or 2 over they are abundant.
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: Heydrich on August 27, 2011, 02:13:14 AM
Well, blacks certainly commit most of the crime, that is for sure. Make of that what you will.

Not necessarily. They just get caught and sentenced more often.

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2008/rpt/2008-R-0008.htm (This is just in Connecticut, which I'm using as an example)

2006 - blacks committed 38% of crimes, whites committed 34%. Not too much of a difference here, and certainly not most.

Unfortunately, due to popular hip hop's unruly "culture" glorifying crime and violence to obtain riches, they're not exactly given excellent role models either.

Your numbers appear to ignore a critical fact - Whites are nearly 80% of Connecticut's population, Blacks just 10% or so. Thus, adjusted for percentage of population per capita by race, Blacks are overwhelmingly more criminal! This business about them simpy being "caught" more is naive nonsense.
 

They get caught more often because to be honest, police officers generally suspect them more (especially non black officers). Sucks, but then again they're victims of their own design, so you won't hear me feeling sorry for them.

I recently moved to Maryland so I live on a street with a good amount of black families. Nothing's been out of the ordinary so far. At my parents' house in NY there are few blacks in the immediate vicinity, but a town or 2 over they are abundant.

You are ignoring all the known statistical evidence on this topic. Asserting that the monumentally greater incidence of crime of the part of Blacks is nothing more than police bias is something some race hustler like Al Sharpton might say - but it holds no water.

http://www.colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/26/opinion/26macdonald.html

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/item_EB3eFdXwY0uojyH5PeJHhI;jsessionid=66D9EF8980CC37D02C1B903DF4003FD0

This is just a quick samle - check the FBI Uniform Crime Statistics as well for even more detail. The problem isn't the cops - certainly not on the scale of the reality exposed by the stats on criminal behavior. Seen any "flash mob" videos lately?.




Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: Forza Romana on August 27, 2011, 06:52:01 AM
Well fuck I live across the river from Filthadelphia and close to Camden, NJ. So I do see a lot of blacks in the city. It would seem that this city is the worst as far as appearances go. I go to South Philly because my grandparents are still there after 45 years. They will tell you how much even that part of the neighborhood has changed. Philly in general has a lot more under developed properties even in the nicest parts. What you see in the ghetto is even worse: you see kids with motorcycles, Escalades, etc and they live in a dump of a home.  So speaking of blacks, the ones who ride their coattails are Puerto Ricans. They try to get what the blacks are offered, and make themselves feel suffered. My wife knows this because she is Puerto Rican, but she is disgusted at how they act especially when they come here. I tell you, America takes the breath out of great cultures!
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: Humanicide on August 27, 2011, 06:53:06 AM
I didn't say that was the ONLY reason blacks have a higher criminal rate. You're right, of course, Heydrich. There just seemed to be an underlying attitude within the last few posts that blacks were the cause of all crimes ever committed, ever, which didn't sit well with me.

Police bias exists though, believe it or not.

Also, I wouldn't link to an opinion article when trying to display facts about something.
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: Humanicide on August 27, 2011, 06:54:38 AM
Well fuck I live across the river from Filthadelphia and close to Camden, NJ. So I do see a lot of blacks in the city. It would seem that this city is the worst as far as appearances go. I go to South Philly because my grandparents are still there after 45 years. They will tell you how much even that part of the neighborhood has changed. Philly in general has a lot more under developed properties even in the nicest parts. What you see in the ghetto is even worse: you see kids with motorcycles, Escalades, etc and they live in a dump of a home.  So speaking of blacks, the ones who ride their coattails are Puerto Ricans. They try to get what the blacks are offered, and make themselves feel suffered. My wife knows this because she is Puerto Rican, but she is disgusted at how they act especially when they come here. I tell you, America takes the breath out of great cultures!

Camden is actually (as of 2008/9, not sure about now) the city with the highest crime rate per capita in the USA.
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: Von List on August 27, 2011, 02:31:33 PM
Well, blacks certainly commit most of the crime, that is for sure. Make of that what you will.

Not necessarily. They just get caught and sentenced more often.

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2008/rpt/2008-R-0008.htm (This is just in Connecticut, which I'm using as an example)

2006 - blacks committed 38% of crimes, whites committed 34%. Not too much of a difference here, and certainly not most.

Unfortunately, due to popular hip hop's unruly "culture" glorifying crime and violence to obtain riches, they're not exactly given excellent role models either.

Your numbers appear to ignore a critical fact - Whites are nearly 80% of Connecticut's population, Blacks just 10% or so. Thus, adjusted for percentage of population per capita by race, Blacks are overwhelmingly more criminal! This business about them simpy being "caught" more is naive nonsense.
 

They get caught more often because to be honest, police officers generally suspect them more (especially non black officers). Sucks, but then again they're victims of their own design, so you won't hear me feeling sorry for them.

I recently moved to Maryland so I live on a street with a good amount of black families. Nothing's been out of the ordinary so far. At my parents' house in NY there are few blacks in the immediate vicinity, but a town or 2 over they are abundant.


How could you even possibly know this?
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: Bondage on August 27, 2011, 10:38:17 PM
If you don't hate American blacks, you haven't had to deal with them.
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: BaronOvHell on August 28, 2011, 08:06:45 AM
Just curious, how many of you actually live amongst or very near to black populations?

My first day living on a "black street" someone pulled what must have been a 40mph hit and run on my parked vehicle. I ran outside and began asking the idling blacks in the direct area who did it and if they got a plate, the responses were all the same, "I didn't see nuthin". The first, but not near the last act of crime I had to deal with in that neighborhood. I became more and more discouraged with the black community daily as they espoused EVERY behavior the MSM and Hollywood try to deny (and usually reverse back on to whites).

I don't hate them for their skin color, but I sure hate their culture.
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: Heydrich on August 29, 2011, 02:25:12 AM
I didn't say that was the ONLY reason blacks have a higher criminal rate. You're right, of course, Heydrich. There just seemed to be an underlying attitude within the last few posts that blacks were the cause of all crimes ever committed, ever, which didn't sit well with me.

Police bias exists though, believe it or not.

Also, I wouldn't link to an opinion article when trying to display facts about something.

You seem determined to believe what you believe, so I have no desire to convert you. The examples I provided are not simply "opinions" at all, but are derived from official records on crime as per the FBI, DOJ, Local Municipalities, etc. Blacks as a percentage of population are overrepresented in virtually every category (if not every one)of criminality regardless of city, town, state or what have you.

Of course police bias exists - all humans are biased one way or the other. Much of that police bias, however, has more to do with dealing daily with those incompatible with civilization than, some mindless "i just hates me some african-americans" attitude as the usual suspects wish you to believe.

 
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: death metal black metal on August 29, 2011, 04:39:13 AM
I'm sure we all realize this argument rapidly becomes circular. "Blacks have x problem disproportionately" may be true, but also is irrelevant. The fact is: only nationalism provides a stable society. This is about white society re-forming itself, not other groups. When diversity goes, they go, and all groups get a better social order: world nationalism.

http://www.amerika.org/politics/nationalism-is-not-racism/
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: Spectrum on August 29, 2011, 07:50:51 AM
I'm sure we all realize this argument rapidly becomes circular. "Blacks have x problem disproportionately" may be true, but also is irrelevant. The fact is: only nationalism provides a stable society. This is about white society re-forming itself, not other groups. When diversity goes, they go, and all groups get a better social order: world nationalism.

http://www.amerika.org/politics/nationalism-is-not-racism/


The nice thing about this stance is that the multiculturalists/monoculturalists receive their own territory. However, the issue is that certain peoples' pockets get empty, hence the despotism in multiculturalism/monoculturualism. The rest of the fools who dogmatically push multiculturalism live in typical, mostly uni-culture neighborhoods. They only push multiculturalism to feel good about themselves and belong to some political group of self-indulgence.
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: Von List on August 29, 2011, 09:01:14 AM
I don't hate blacks because they're black. That would be silly and a giant waste of time.


Their ghetto culture is highly corrosive though. There is a reason why there is a thing called "white flight" from cities that grow in minority population. No one wants to be around the decline.
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: Heydrich on August 29, 2011, 09:24:45 AM
^

No sensible people hate Blacks because they are Black - if in fact that even means anything. But many do take issues with Blacks because to the manner in which they conduct themselves, call it ghettoism, Black-culture, what have you. 

This idea that some hate Blacks simply because of the "color of their skin" is a cannard and always has been. It has always been the behavior of Blacks - many Blacks that is, not all, of course - that has been the problem.

In fact this whole "hate" deal is a fraud unto itself.  "White flight" as you noted, was not about some nebulous, or knee-jerk "hatred" of Blacks, but a percetly reasoned reaction to Black behavior and a wonderful example of survival instict as well.

Race is a complex issue in many ways, but yet the issues that attend it are often blindingly simple - and prefereing one's own racial group over another whom one deems widely incompatible with their own is about the most honest and natural thing a person can do!

This was clear to me a quarter century ago, and nothing whatsoever has transpired hence to change my mind one iota.

"Hate" is just a buzzword wielded by the egalitarians to stifle honest conversations about race, equality, etc. They fear reality.



Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: Von List on August 29, 2011, 09:56:09 AM
I agree, but I also think that the past 40 years has been a bit rough for blacks as well, besides the civil rights era. Go back 40-50 years and you'll find that more black families were two parent households, and they had matriarchs and patriarchs (big momma, big dad). Now? What is it like 70% of all blacks are born without fathers?
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: JewishPhysics on August 29, 2011, 01:31:22 PM
This idea that some hate Blacks simply because of the "color of their skin" is a cannard and always has been.
God do I hate this.  This is and will always be one of the most cynical, manipulative, and under handed tactics I have ever come across.  It's a slight of hand used to equivocate any undesirable statement to a complete absurdo-reductionist view of race as skin hue.  It's especially the favored tactic of smarmy and condescending white guilt liberals.  It is one of the deadest give aways that someone is completely uninterested in truth or honesty.
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: tronas on August 29, 2011, 03:33:39 PM
Humanity has a distinct enjoyment of struggle, causing civilization evolution. That's why nationalism will not prevail. Only through the struggles of multiculturalism and ethnic/racial hatred, can humanity melt into one race and become a united Federation of Earth (seriously lol.) Otherwise tribalism of the most basic sort will never leave us and Earth will be destroyed by asteroids during Race War 5 or Religion War 12.
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: AnHero on August 29, 2011, 04:34:53 PM
In fact this whole "hate" deal is a fraud unto itself.  "White flight" as you noted, was not about some nebulous, or knee-jerk "hatred" of Blacks, but a percetly reasoned reaction to Black behavior and a wonderful example of survival instict as well.
It might not even be about noticing an increase in black population. Residents of a neighborhood notice that property values are going down, they're hearing more police sirens than they used to and schools are getting worse. Ergo, new families that have the money (whites and asians have more money) decide to reproduce somewhere else. The color of the population changes by selection.

Is it so hard to believe that when the population of a society made by Europeans for Europeans is populated by too high a fraction of Africans as opposed to Europeans, that it stops working? Is it any surprise that as a society becomes more populated by Africans that it starts to resemble Africa?

Only if you'd spent your whole life convincing yourself that it's impossible.

If you don't hate American blacks, you haven't had to deal with them.
Actually, I disagree. Considering the places where I'm more likely to meet non-whites are also places where I meet or have met respectable people (Boy Scouts, Church, School, College, Work) I end up with a greater number of negative experiences being with rednecks, wiggers and punks (whites). So I've had good experiences dealing with people of other colors and cultures.

However, since I believe in science as a superior way to understand the world than this or that person's personal experiences, I'd have to say that diversity looks like a bad idea from a perspective of human well being. Despite slavery not being legal, I think many/most U.S. blacks are still de facto slaves, never getting out of the manual labor caste.
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: Spectrum on August 29, 2011, 07:22:43 PM
Despite slavery not being legal, I think many/most U.S. blacks are still de facto slaves, never getting out of the manual labor caste.

I disagree. They still receive mounds of financial aid and legal power. Hispanics have been the slave force, but they will gain power as well. The equality is going to be forced down everyone's throats regardless, even if that means raping the middle class. That is our current direction anyway.
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: Conservationist on August 29, 2011, 07:33:23 PM
Is it any surprise that as a society becomes more populated by Africans that it starts to resemble Africa?

We're crossing over issues here.

Do populations diverge based on evolutionary paths taken? Of course. Does this lead (hypothetically) to one population that went north developing higher intelligence and a raft of other features, including morality and social skills, that those who stayed behind lack? Surely.

But that's not the issue here.

The issue here is that nationalism is the only way to have shared actual values in a population.

Anything else is a nanny state imposing happy rules. Culture trumps bureaucracy.

And until we have nationalism, our societies will be directionless and self-consuming.

Time wasted on hating black people is stupid. Black people are what they are, but they're also facing a bad hand in this country -- dealt by diversity in all of its hypocritical, foolish forms. They are a de facto permanent underclass. That sucks. They'd have fewer material things at first but more self-respect and a future in Africa.

Ditto every other non-Western European group in North America.

If we persist on this path, we get the archetypal third world country: low IQ masses in slums, cynical leaders, no culture and thus, nothing except a me-first attitude, which eventually through evolution pares the population down into a herd of not very productive people. You can't recover from that, which is why the third world remains third world.
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: Bondage on August 29, 2011, 08:22:24 PM
If you don't hate American blacks, you haven't had to deal with them.
Actually, I disagree. Considering the places where I'm more likely to meet non-whites are also places where I meet or have met respectable people (Boy Scouts, Church, School, College, Work) I end up with a greater number of negative experiences being with rednecks, wiggers and punks (whites). So I've had good experiences dealing with people of other colors and cultures.

However, since I believe in science as a superior way to understand the world than this or that person's personal experiences, I'd have to say that diversity looks like a bad idea from a perspective of human well being. Despite slavery not being legal, I think many/most U.S. blacks are still de facto slaves, never getting out of the manual labor caste.

"Boy Scouts, Church, School, College and Work" -- Ha you've got to be trolling because those sure sound like activities your average uneducated American black enjoy! Manual labor caste? Whaaaaat? That implies work, and hard work. Have you actually met any black people? I think you have them mistaken for migrant Mexican workers.
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: Conservationist on August 29, 2011, 09:53:39 PM
"Boy Scouts, Church, School, College and Work" -- Ha you've got to be trolling because those sure sound like activities your average uneducated American black enjoy! Manual labor caste? Whaaaaat? That implies work, and hard work. Have you actually met any black people? I think you have them mistaken for migrant Mexican workers.

Here's the thing: you're going to push people who disagree with you into defensive positions.

I don't think it makes sense to spend a lot of energy arguing against black people when there's a bigger problem: diversity.

Even if no black people were involved, diversity would still destroy nations. By definition, it's not the fault of black people or white people. It's diversity; it's a crazy shitty idea like rent control.
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: Von List on August 31, 2011, 08:51:57 AM
Diversity abroad!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY0qXy_LQ3s&feature=player_embedded


Multiculturalism must end.
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: AnHero on August 31, 2011, 04:24:28 PM
If you don't hate American blacks, you haven't had to deal with them.
Actually, I disagree. Considering the places where I'm more likely to meet non-whites are also places where I meet or have met respectable people (Boy Scouts, Church, School, College, Work) I end up with a greater number of negative experiences being with rednecks, wiggers and punks (whites). So I've had good experiences dealing with people of other colors and cultures.

However, since I believe in science as a superior way to understand the world than this or that person's personal experiences, I'd have to say that diversity looks like a bad idea from a perspective of human well being. Despite slavery not being legal, I think many/most U.S. blacks are still de facto slaves, never getting out of the manual labor caste.
"Boy Scouts, Church, School, College and Work" -- Ha you've got to be trolling because those sure sound like activities your average uneducated American black enjoy! (aside: contradiction here?)Manual labor caste? Whaaaaat? That implies work, and hard work. Have you actually met any black people? I think you have them mistaken for migrant Mexican workers.
I suppose I did exaggerate - there actually weren't that many blacks in scouts, at church, in the AP track at school, in college or at work, but the ones that were were respectable and those encounters represent the majority of my counters with blacks. My point was that my personal experience is skewed in favor of non-whites, but even then, I can appreciate nationalism.

And "manual labor caste" was also an exaggeration but I think you can agree that blacks have more representation in manual labor and blue-collar work while whites have more representation in management and white-collar work. I'm not trying to garner sympathy so much as say that, as a group, blacks and latinos are unlikely to move up the social ladder, and therefore there will almost always be this feeling of black resentment/white guilt that necessitates separatism.
I disagree. They still receive mounds of financial aid and legal power. Hispanics have been the slave force, but they will gain power as well. The equality is going to be forced down everyone's throats regardless, even if that means raping the middle class. That is our current direction anyway.
That fits into what I'm trying to say. Despite all the help, they still inhabit the lower class because that's where they'll naturally fall. They'd be better off as a culture elsewhere.

You don't need to talk any Neo-Marxism out of me.
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: AnHero on August 31, 2011, 04:30:20 PM
Is it any surprise that as a society becomes more populated by Africans that it starts to resemble Africa?
We're crossing over issues here.
I guess this was the wrong thread for that, sorry.

Time wasted on hating black people is stupid. Black people are what they are, but they're also facing a bad hand in this country -- dealt by diversity in all of its hypocritical, foolish forms. They are a de facto permanent underclass. That sucks. They'd have fewer material things at first but more self-respect and a future in Africa.
I agree totally - I spoke up because I started to see that attitude in this thread and also as a way of heading-off the accusation that that is the only motivation one could have.
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: tardocaust on April 30, 2012, 11:24:41 AM
The genetics of Jews are a large set of related fields. Much of it is motivated by medical considerations, in particular “Jewish diseases” such as Tay-Sachs. Though the ultimate aim of much research is to clarify population stratification in association studies, over the past few years there has been a great deal of light shed on the possible origins of and the relationships of Jews to each other and other populations. Originally the focus was on uniparental lineages, male and female markers passed through the Y chromosome and mtDNA respectively. The general results of these were that both the extreme scenarios of total replacement and pure cultural diffusion are false. On the one hand Jews across the world by and large share unexpected genetic affinity which one would not predict from geography, but only from their common religious-ethnic identity as Jews. But Jews also cluster geographically in a way that is reminiscent of the gentile populations among whom they have settled, suggesting either independent evolution after an initial separation and/or admixture with the local populations.

One of the most popular posts on this weblog focuses on the differences between Ashkenazi Jews and gentiles, in particular peoples of European descent. The figure to the left illustrates that white Americans who are gentile or Jewish are rather easy to distinguish genetically from each other. That Jews exhibit a particularly distinctive genetic signature may not be all that surprising, considering that medical geneticists have long known that there are diseases which are biologically rooted and heavily overrepresented among this population. Distinctive traits imply distinctive genes. And the demographic history of the Jewish people as attested to in the literary records can be fitted rather easily within the framework of many of the results coming out of the genetic studies.

But what about the issues I mooted above in regards to the divisions among the Diasporic Jewish community? A new paper in The American Journal of Human Genetics takes a stab at attempting establish a set of relations between different Jewish communities, as well as other populations which they may have admixed with. Abraham’s Children in the Genome Era: Major Jewish Diaspora Populations Comprise Distinct Genetic Clusters with Shared Middle Eastern Ancestry:

    For more than a century, Jews and non-Jews alike have tried to define the relatedness of contemporary Jewish people. Previous genetic studies of blood group and serum markers suggested that Jewish groups had Middle Eastern origin with greater genetic similarity between paired Jewish populations. However, these and successor studies of monoallelic Y chromosomal and mitochondrial genetic markers did not resolve the issues of within and between-group Jewish genetic identity. Here, genome-wide analysis of seven Jewish groups (Iranian, Iraqi, Syrian, Italian, Turkish, Greek, and Ashkenazi) and comparison with non-Jewish groups demonstrated distinctive Jewish population clusters, each with shared Middle Eastern ancestry, proximity to contemporary Middle Eastern populations, and variable degrees of European and North African admixture. Two major groups were identified by principal component, phylogenetic, and identity by descent (IBD) analysis: Middle Eastern Jews and European/Syrian Jews. The IBD segment sharing and the proximity of European Jews to each other and to southern European populations suggested similar origins for European Jewry and refuted large-scale genetic contributions of Central and Eastern European and Slavic populations to the formation of Ashkenazi Jewry. Rapid decay of IBD in Ashkenazi Jewish genomes was consistent with a severe bottleneck followed by large expansion, such as occurred with the so-called demographic miracle of population expansion from 50,000 people at the beginning of the 15th century to 5,000,000 people at the beginning of the 19th century. Thus, this study demonstrates that European/Syrian and Middle Eastern Jews represent a series of geographical isolates or clusters woven together by shared IBD genetic threads.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/06/genetics-the-jewish-question/
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: scourge on April 30, 2012, 08:03:50 PM
Donors contributed “just over $200,000,” said Mark O’Mara, Zimmerman’s defense lawyer.

The site set up to solicit funds for Zimmerman’s defense, therealgeorgezimmerman.com, has since been shut down.

http://news.yahoo.com/trayvon-martins-killer-raises-more-200-000-defense-021028644.html
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: Dinaric Leather on May 01, 2012, 09:28:56 AM
...They are a de facto permanent underclass. That sucks. They'd have fewer material things at first but more self-respect and a future in Africa.

Ditto every other non-Western European group in North America.
Are you American? I believe you're Texan if I'm not mistaken, regardless, I think it's pretty clear that Eastern and Southern Europeans are no longer an underclass in the US.
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: Undermind on May 02, 2012, 09:32:52 AM
...They are a de facto permanent underclass. That sucks. They'd have fewer material things at first but more self-respect and a future in Africa.

Ditto every other non-Western European group in North America.
Are you American? I believe you're Texan if I'm not mistaken, regardless, I think it's pretty clear that Eastern and Southern Europeans are no longer an underclass in the US.

While it certainly isn't anything like its heyday back at the turn of the century, in Chicago and other pockets in America, there are still a great deal of Poles/former soviets that might fit the description of underclass.  It isn't quite as clear cut as saying that the division no longer exists.
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: Humanicide on May 02, 2012, 10:14:58 AM
While it certainly isn't anything like its heyday back at the turn of the century, in Chicago and other pockets in America, there are still a great deal of Poles/former soviets that might fit the description of underclass.  It isn't quite as clear cut as saying that the division no longer exists.

Very true, but I'd wager that roughly 75-80% of Southern/Eastern Europeans living in the USA are no longer underclass. For the most part, I'd say this change became permanent following the civil rights era. I'd say that most of the pro-segregation crowd thought that blacks were a much larger threat than Italians, for instance. So their focus shifted.
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: Dinaric Leather on May 02, 2012, 11:17:36 AM
I'd say the proportion of Germanics in the underclasses is about equal to Eastern and Southern Europeans. I literally see no division between Germanics, Slavs and Italians as far as social class goes. There are a lot of south Slavs moving into Las Vegas straight from the Balkans and they are almost all shooting into the middle class echelons or higher.

I can only really speak for the southwest (Cali, Nevada, Utah and Arizona) because I haven't really spent enough time elsewhere to come to a conclusion, although I suspect it's a similar situation throughout the US.
Title: Re: Death to racism
Post by: scourge on May 02, 2012, 02:30:15 PM
When the civilization's standards as a whole are lower, it is easier for more people to collect the new wealth. Equality was more or less the intent all along.