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Title: Movies
Post by: Winter on September 05, 2011, 01:07:08 AM
What are some good movies that have to do with Black/Death metal? It doesn't have to be a documentary. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Umbrage on September 05, 2011, 02:10:56 AM
That depends on your definition of "to do with black/death metal"

There obviously aren't that many movies literally about metal, and even less that are worth seeing. And if you're looking for movies that could loosely be associated with metal (like Conan the Barbarian) then proles are going to lump in any random movie they want to promote (like Brokeback Mountain)
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Winter on September 05, 2011, 02:46:34 AM
Yeah, I worded that post wrong. I'm looking for movies that either capture the spirit of D/B metal or documentaries worth seeing. Books would also be welcome here.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Jim Necroslaughter on September 05, 2011, 06:16:09 AM
Until the light takes Us is the obvious choice for documentaries, it is seriously worth buying for the second DVD with extra interviews and what-not. These are going to be somewhat personal preferences but I would maybe say the works of Sergio Leone and Akira Kurosawa for fictional movies.

For books, I am sure there are other posts about that for a comprehensive list, but I would say Marriage of Heaven and Hell by Blake, the Illiad and the Odyssey, Moby Dick, Heart of Darkness.  For a documentary type book I actually liked "Lords of Chaos," by Moynihan, although some people here dislike it for reasons that I can't quite remember.  It's just an interesting document in my mind,  but you can't take it as the last word on Norwegian Black Metal.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Cargést on September 05, 2011, 06:48:35 PM
You can barely take it as the first word.  Most of it is a load of hype/bullshit.  That's why we don't like it.  Fabricated interviews and a load of unnecessary content?  Yay.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Winter on September 05, 2011, 07:48:29 PM
Anyone else want to confirm "Until the Light Takes Us" ?
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Post by: icKx on September 06, 2011, 02:06:12 AM
Dawn of the Dead
Apocalypse Now
2001: A Space Odyssey
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Post by: Cargést on September 06, 2011, 04:18:53 AM
Until the Light Takes Us is good because the directors/producers seem to have had very little input.  It's generally just Gylve and Varg mouthing off about random stuff.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: we hope you die on September 06, 2011, 05:27:18 AM
Agreed about UTLTU. I'd also have to agree about Lords of Chaos. Having read it when I was a lot yougner and still naive when it came to black metal, I was just interested to read someone talking about this music. I gave it a second read recently and one immediately gets bored with the tedious clammering for references to satan within black metal and what it all means. It was both patronising to the artists/art itself and filled too much space with irrelevant content. Even at a more basic level the writing style was just mediocre.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Umbrage on September 06, 2011, 09:15:14 AM
Apocalypse Now (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078788/) has strong themes of nihilism, war and isolating oneself from the modern world.
Conan the Barbarian (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082198/) romanticizes the ancient past and being a warrior. Its influence can be seen in bands like Manowar and Carnivore, but also Bathory and Lord Wind.
Made in Britain (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084287/) is a decent drama movie about Levy_Spearmen a kid screwing up his life. It has the Exploited in the soundtrack.
Mad Max 2: The Roadwarrior (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082694/) takes place in a post-apocalyptic world where biker punks are terrorizing people. Kinda neat, some will prefer Mad Max 1 for being less of a Hollywood movie but 2 is more accessible. Avoid Mad Max 3 unless you're a Tina Turner fan. There's no need to watch them in chronological order btw.
Marathon Man (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074860/) inspired Slayer to write Angel Of Death.
Evil Dead (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083907/) inspired Deicide to write Dead By Dawn.

I second Dawn of the Dead (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077402/) assuming IcKx was referring to the 1978 version and not the remake. Here are some more random personal favorites:

Horror:
Videodrome (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086541/)
Men Behind The Sun (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093170/)
Hellraiser (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093177/)
Carrie (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074285/)

War:
Full Metal Jacket (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093058/)
The Killing Fields (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087553/)
Black Hawk Down (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0265086/)

Drama:
Don't Look Now (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0069995/)
Rumble Fish (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086216/)
Bad Lieutenant (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103759/)

Crime:
Goodfellas (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099685/)
Romper Stomper (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107554/)

Western:
Once Upon A Time In The West (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064116/)


Movies are generally a waste of time. Finding a movie worth watching is even more time consuming. I don't think all the movies I just posted are A+ material but I do think they're worth watching. Did you check out the metal related film thread (http://www.anus.com/metal/hall/index.php/topic,6368.0.html) btw? More people should start posting links to interesting online movies there, they can't be much worse than "Hercules Against the Moon Men"
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Jim Necroslaughter on September 06, 2011, 10:10:03 AM
You can barely take it as the first word.  Most of it is a load of hype/bullshit.  That's why we don't like it.  Fabricated interviews and a load of unnecessary content?  Yay.

oh no shit?  they outright fabricated interviews?  I guess that's a good objection.

I also read it years ago, and I just remember it got me excited about things.  cool pictures too!  I read it in like 2 days so I do remember it wasn't some masterpiece or anything.

the thing that sticks out in my mind from that book is it made the connection between Norwegian Black Metal and the Oskorei (http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskorei).  that's the only reason it sticks out in my mind as being relevant.  I'm sure it's not the first place that made the connection, though, just the first place I encountered it.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Humanicide on September 06, 2011, 11:46:55 AM
Umbrage - for crime, how could you forget The Godfather?

I'd also recommend some of the Death Wish movies. Charles Bronson takes crime into his own hands, as people once did, and perhaps should still do.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: we hope you die on September 06, 2011, 02:46:53 PM
I'd also highly recomend Fight Club, I guess that fits in with the crime genre.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Grim Morrison on September 06, 2011, 03:36:31 PM
Alien
Aliens
The Thing
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Sepulchral Voice on September 06, 2011, 04:46:57 PM
Italian Westerns have the same spirit as early black and death metal.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: JewishPhysics on September 06, 2011, 06:32:38 PM
Some great films have already been mentioned, so I'll simply add these few:
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre
Begotten (art film; I may upload this in the near future)
Suspiria (Phenomena has a Metal soundtrack, but is an inferior film.  Tenebre is probably his best but is unrelated to Metal or Nihilism).
Taxi Driver (obvious one)
Martyrs

Dawn of the Dead has been mentioned, but I think the whole original trilogy should be seen.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Petrarca on September 06, 2011, 08:17:35 PM
The Seventh Seal (for "only death is real")
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Umbrage on September 06, 2011, 09:01:20 PM
Umbrage - for crime, how could you forget The Godfather?

I'd also recommend some of the Death Wish movies. Charles Bronson takes crime into his own hands, as people once did, and perhaps should still do.

I didn't forget The Godfather, I'm just not a big fan of it. Most Godfather fans don't like Martin Scorsese's presentation of the mafia either. Goodfellas and Casino show the mafia in a much different light than the Godfather does, more like violent thugs than orderly gentlemen.

I shouldn't have forgotten Dirty Harry (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066999/) and Escape From Alcatraz (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079116/) though. Charles Bronson is cool but I think Clint is cooler, hehe.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Humanicide on September 07, 2011, 08:50:08 AM
Umbrage - for crime, how could you forget The Godfather?

I'd also recommend some of the Death Wish movies. Charles Bronson takes crime into his own hands, as people once did, and perhaps should still do.

I didn't forget The Godfather, I'm just not a big fan of it. Most Godfather fans don't like Martin Scorsese's presentation of the mafia either. Goodfellas and Casino show the mafia in a much different light than the Godfather does, more like violent thugs than orderly gentlemen.

I shouldn't have forgotten Dirty Harry (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066999/) and Escape From Alcatraz (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079116/) though. Charles Bronson is cool but I think Clint is cooler, hehe.


Scorsese didn't direct the Godfather. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Godfather

I can see where you're coming from. They're two different lights which have been painted. I enjoy both, whereas Goodfellas is more direct (beat you in the face bloody with the butt of a pistol for hurting my wife), the Godfather is more subtle (have dinner with you while you verbally abuse me and my boss, then leave a horse head in your bed). Goodfellas is likely much more true to the real mafia way, but I can suspend my disbelief for the Godfather.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Spectrum on September 07, 2011, 12:20:00 PM
Harry Brown and Until the Light Takes US
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Umbrage on September 07, 2011, 11:43:47 PM
Marathon Man (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074860/) inspired Slayer to write Angel Of Death.

Sorry bout that. I meant The Boys From Brazil (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077269/) from which Jeff Hanneman lifted the line "Feeding off the screams of the mutants he's creating"

It's been a while since I saw those films, got them mixed up.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: aquarius on September 08, 2011, 05:51:08 AM
Most of the films mentioned here are accidental works of art at the most. Unless the director has a vision and exerts fascistic control over his crew in order to achieve it, the film is usually pointless. Sometimes it takes many films for the director express his vision coherently (i.e. Bergman, Kurosawa).
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Humanicide on September 08, 2011, 07:41:48 AM
Most of the films mentioned here are accidental works of art at the most.

Couldn't you say that about a lot of great metal? Still doesn't dull the edge.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: we hope you die on September 08, 2011, 08:59:46 AM
Agreed, I love Alien and Aliens, but Ridley Scott's and James Cameron's output since 1990 has been overblown Hollywood wastes of time. Something similar could be said for the creators of Blessed are the Sick, Legion and Symphonies of Sickness.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Umbrage on September 08, 2011, 11:59:53 AM
Most of the films mentioned here are accidental works of art at the most. Unless the director has a vision and exerts fascistic control over his crew in order to achieve it, the film is usually pointless. Sometimes it takes many films for the director express his vision coherently (i.e. Bergman, Kurosawa).

All movies are shallow entertainment (http://www.anus.com/metal/hall/index.php/topic,12168.0.html). Have I not made that clear, also in this thread? I don't even believe it's possible to make a movie that's truly art, the medium and industry around it simply don't allow it. There's obviously a big difference between four dudes recording an album aimed to sell about 1000 copies and a movie with a billion dollar budget. Comparing the "art" of movies to the art of metal is ludicrous, you can't expect a movie to be better than Hvis Lyset Tar Oss or Pure Holocaust.

So movies are just entertainment, big deal. If you want to tell us that you abstain from all forms of entertainment then please go ahead, it would entertain me.

I have no problems with people who say they liked a movie, just as I have no problems with somebody who tells a good joke. But people who treat movies like they are more than just entertainment... now that's when I start feeling very skeptical.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Spectrum on September 08, 2011, 06:31:16 PM
Most of the films mentioned here are accidental works of art at the most. Unless the director has a vision and exerts fascistic control over his crew in order to achieve it, the film is usually pointless. Sometimes it takes many films for the director express his vision coherently (i.e. Bergman, Kurosawa).

All movies are shallow entertainment (http://www.anus.com/metal/hall/index.php/topic,12168.0.html). Have I not made that clear, also in this thread? I don't even believe it's possible to make a movie that's truly art, the medium and industry around it simply don't allow it. There's obviously a big difference between four dudes recording an album aimed to sell about 1000 copies and a movie with a billion dollar budget. Comparing the "art" of movies to the art of metal is ludicrous, you can't expect a movie to be better than Hvis Lyset Tar Oss or Pure Holocaust.

So movies are just entertainment, big deal. If you want to tell us that you abstain from all forms of entertainment then please go ahead, it would entertain me.

I have no problems with people who say they liked a movie, just as I have no problems with somebody who tells a good joke. But people who treat movies like they are more than just entertainment... now that's when I start feeling very skeptical.


True. I personally like Dexter and Inception for entertainment. Silence of the Lambs and Red Dragon were pretty cool. Star Wars is fun to revisit from time to time.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: istaros on September 10, 2011, 04:13:20 AM
"We smoke this marijuana in your honor, Satan." (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpDx7G-HRwA) I just finished watching this. It's not often a movie scene will actually disturb me even slightly, but this one succeeded towards the end. It's got a lot of the hallmarks of an underground B-movie, but the unnerving atmosphere and insistent grittiness is supreme. Iron Maiden t-shirts, Ozzy tattoos, FREEDOSESFREEDOSESFREEDOSES, ritual sacrifice in a graveyard, a brutal murder carried out by a vengeful psychopathic metalhead, and a ridiculous number of memorable quotes for an under-20-minute movie round out the entertainment value. Although there's no actual death or black metal I could discern, apart from one rather annoying song played on a boombox in the middle of a forest, death heads will instantly recognize several of the shots of medieval engravings. Also of note is that this is based on an actual person, Ricky Kasso. This was made by Jim van Bebber, better known for The Manson Family and Deadbeat at Dawn, the latter of which is also a great ride and was effectively sampled by Impetigo on "I Work for the Streetcleaner." "Satan approves." (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXI74JHhncY)

River's Edge (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpRxZB0Op9o) is another, feature-length, fictionalization of a true murder, committed by Anthony Jacques Broussard. This one contains a few well-known actors (including Crispin Glover at his best) and little violence. In contrast to My Sweet Satan, this aims to be a more pensive movie exploring the disenchanted attitude of youth living in a time when social values are disappearing quickly, if not already entirely absent. A kid murders another kid, tells his friends, and nobody seems to care - or at least, does anything about it. Lost and confused products of the baby boomer generation, showing a desire to find meaning in a world that they know has none inherent. This one also has a more recognizably metal soundtrack, although it's hardly a focus of the film. Regardless, the proposed ties between nihilism and metal are very palpable. Disclaimer: contains Keanu Reeves, although this was before he got super famous and annoying; he doesn't even get a mention in the trailer. Even bigger disclaimer: ignore the music in the trailer, which makes this seem like a goofy comedy. It's a very somber film with nary a trace of joy.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: aquarius on September 11, 2011, 04:20:22 AM
Most of the films mentioned here are accidental works of art at the most. Unless the director has a vision and exerts fascistic control over his crew in order to achieve it, the film is usually pointless. Sometimes it takes many films for the director express his vision coherently (i.e. Bergman, Kurosawa).

All movies are shallow entertainment (http://www.anus.com/metal/hall/index.php/topic,12168.0.html). Have I not made that clear, also in this thread? I don't even believe it's possible to make a movie that's truly art, the medium and industry around it simply don't allow it. There's obviously a big difference between four dudes recording an album aimed to sell about 1000 copies and a movie with a billion dollar budget. Comparing the "art" of movies to the art of metal is ludicrous, you can't expect a movie to be better than Hvis Lyset Tar Oss or Pure Holocaust.

So movies are just entertainment, big deal. If you want to tell us that you abstain from all forms of entertainment then please go ahead, it would entertain me.

I have no problems with people who say they liked a movie, just as I have no problems with somebody who tells a good joke. But people who treat movies like they are more than just entertainment... now that's when I start feeling very skeptical.


Maybe I'm on the wrong track but if metal is so far beyond entertainment, why think of cheap entertaining films that (kind of) capture the spirit of metal? Art is a means of communicating profound ideals, music or image is the medium so by that reasoning I don't see why a film couldn't be better anyway, it comes down to the art itself. Personally I think the epic films like RAN (Akira Kurosawa) or Andrei Rublev (Andrei Tarkovsky) communicate on a deep level which the metal listener could appreciate. Also the films of Ingmar Bergman (Persona, Hour of the wolf, The seventh seal, Through a glass darkly) are worthy of seeking out.

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Ksatria/Gang_Rapist on September 14, 2011, 01:56:24 PM
Blade Runner needs a mention. Repo Man too, which is mostly just plain goofy, but is totally metal in parts (and the admins seem to love it).
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: nekromantas on September 17, 2011, 12:10:02 AM
Ken Russell's "The Devils" (1971).