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Title: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: on March 11, 2012, 01:01:06 PM
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Youngsters in Iraq are being stoned to death for having haircuts and wearing clothes that emulate the ‘emo’ style popular among western teenagers.

At least 14 youths have been killed in the capital Baghdad in the past three weeks in what appears to be a campaign by Shia militants.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2112960/90-students-Iraq-stoned-death-having-Emo-hair-tight-clothes.html?ICO=most_read_module

I wanted to write a flippant comment but I cannot top the actual reality of events.

The world is a beautiful, beautiful place. Never lose sight of that.
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: Iron on March 11, 2012, 03:52:55 PM
This is kind of trite, dude. The people killing these kids aren't involved in some kind of heroic reassertion of masculine virtues and transcendent wisdom, or something. The irony is that you, along with most people on this forum, were probably people who were visibly distinguishable from their peers during their own teens, and would likewise be singled out for this kind of thing in Iraq. You think they'd be likely to take to heart your protests that the music you listen to is really just another expression of the majesty of Allah?
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: NHA on March 11, 2012, 04:33:30 PM
Our long hair, jeans, and devil worshiping are totally different man!


How does one get stoned to death anyway? Iraq needs moar dodge ball in the schools.

Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: aquarius on March 11, 2012, 07:42:25 PM
Beautiful story, but the average joe comments at the bottom of these articles always spoil it for me.
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: Time Curator 23 on March 12, 2012, 12:33:18 AM
Heavy metal and heavy metal forums have always seemed to attract the vicarious abuser hipster types:

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Hipster 1: "Woah, man, check out that SLAUGHTERED EMO!"
Hipster 2: "Yeah, man, take a look at his corpse! So awesome!"
Hipster 3: "Hey, wait! 'SLAUGHTERED EMO' -- what a perfect name for our new band!"
Hipster 1: "Unholy shit! Yeah, man! It's a perfect combination of form (our death metal brutality) and function (our statement of intolerance for pussy emo faggots)."
Hipster 2: "Dude, great idea! Let's go play street hockey, then beat up some emos, and then jam at my place!"
Hipster 1, 3: "Right on!"

Emo youngsters need serious growing up / reality orientation, but brutal killing?

Such mindless machismo behavior is actually more cowardly and feminine than any emo behavior.
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: Cargést on March 12, 2012, 10:52:19 AM
Haha, of course it's not.  What would be cowardly would be to deny your culture in fear of retaliation from the grey masses (i.e. 'Merica[tm]).

I support oncology.
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: Spectrum on March 12, 2012, 08:17:40 PM

Such mindless machismo behavior is actually more cowardly and feminine than any emo behavior.

Being macho = cowardly
Being cowardly = cowardly

Funny how that works. Either that or you are bullshitting like most of the people on this forum.
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: Iron on March 12, 2012, 08:57:40 PM

Such mindless machismo behavior is actually more cowardly and feminine than any emo behavior.

Being macho = cowardly
Being cowardly = cowardly

Funny how that works. Either that or you are bullshitting like most of the people on this forum.

I interpreted it as "mob aggression directed to marginalized, effete dorks" = cowardly. I suspect there isn't much risk of reprisal involved and that the aggressors are acting as groups. Anyway, the point isn't to condemn violence, just to recognize that this phenomenon doesn't equate at all with our situation here in the West. Taking this stuff out of its context and vicariously indulging in it as a way of venting against emo/indie kids is just kind of lame. It's something I've done a lot in the past, so I do understand the impulse. The problem is that it's a kind of narcissistic gesture that doesn't make us more effective, but does suggest to others that we lack potency and lucidity.
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: Conservationist on March 12, 2012, 11:08:54 PM
This is kind of trite, dude. The people killing these kids aren't involved in some kind of heroic reassertion of masculine virtues and transcendent wisdom, or something. The irony is that you, along with most people on this forum, were probably people who were visibly distinguishable from their peers during their own teens, and would likewise be singled out for this kind of thing in Iraq. You think they'd be likely to take to heart your protests that the music you listen to is really just another expression of the majesty of Allah?


You miss the point.

Emos endorse a type of lifestyle which is one of submission to social circle-jerking.

A metalhead does not. Neither does an angry Iranian crowd killer.

The point isn't articulated beliefs, but spirit. Healthy people look at an emo and think, "Oh, a sick animal -- it should be euthanized."

They don't look at a nerd the same way, even if he's got Absurd and Blasphemy patches on the same jacket.
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: I disagree on March 13, 2012, 09:00:51 AM
This is some twisted logic here. Somehow I doubt that one can use dress as an accurate barometer for strength of character. Otherwise it would easy to improve one's self solely through attire. The obvious point is that these Iraqis see emo dress as a sign of westernism, which they view as counter to their beliefs and culture. Nothing more, nothing less. In this case, they decided to confront this perceived threat to their culture by stoning. Lets not let the inevitable bias and violence against pods who dress emo be mistaken for proper eugenics, and see it as a dysfunction of judgement within this situation.
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: Time Curator 23 on March 13, 2012, 03:12:35 PM
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What would be cowardly would be to deny your culture in fear of retaliation from the grey masses (id est,  'Merica(TM)).

Well, yes, good point. Those emos quite simply do not belong in Iran (or any sane society).

However, there is no part of traditional Iranian or Persian [edit: Iraqi or Arabic] culture that endorses mob murder.

I promise you that these thugs don't know a thing about their culture anyway.

Finally, in the war against the 'Merica(TM) cult, it's tactically retarded: such unintelligent barbarism only recharges its power.

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Being macho = cowardly
Being cowardly = cowardly

Funny how that works. Either that or you are bullshitting like most of the people on this forum.

Hmm, well, what I said works just fine, and I am not bullshitting. So, either you misunderstood, or I miscommunicated. So, to clarify:

Mindless violence against a random outsider is not a sign of a brave citizen defending their native culture.

Imagine: a Mexican-American emo brutally killed on the streets of Houston, Texas.

Now imagine the killer proudly exclaiming: "We will do what ever it takes to defend our Anglo-Germanic-American culture."

LOL. Even Jared Taylor is light years more intelligent than that.

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You miss the point.

Emos endorse a type of lifestyle which is one of submission to social circle-jerking.

A metalhead does not. Neither does an angry Iranian crowd killer.

The point isn't articulated beliefs, but spirit. Healthy people look at an emo and think, "Oh, a sick animal -- it should be euthanized."

They don't look at a nerd the same way, even if he's got Absurd and Blasphemy patches on the same jacket.

One, yes they do.

Two...

Conservationist man... listen... what are you doing?

I thought ANUS was the one place that actually still had a shot at injecting Romanticism and Pan-Nationalism into the thought streams of the U.S. middle-class, so that this retarded Enlightenment and Internationalism (Globalism) could finally end.

I thought so, because ANUS was the one place that actually said to other Rightists: "Hey guys. We aren't going to solve our problems by beating up the Negro and Jewish kids."

ANUS had a shot. Now it's becoming unreliable, obscurantist, and increasingly similar to Leo Straussian deceptive neoconservativism.

Well, dang. Good luck with that, man. Meanwhile, I'ma go start a Rightist movement that actually accomplishes something.
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: Dinaric Leather on March 13, 2012, 04:29:27 PM

Such mindless machismo behavior is actually more cowardly and feminine than any emo behavior.

Being macho = cowardly
Being cowardly = cowardly

Funny how that works. Either that or you are bullshitting like most of the people on this forum.
Yeah that was a pretty bizarre comment of him to make, but why are you always full of bad attitude? Did someone shit in your oatmeal?
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: on March 14, 2012, 09:01:16 AM
I thought ANUS was the one place that actually still had a shot at injecting Romanticism and Pan-Nationalism into the thought streams of the U.S. middle-class, so that this retarded Enlightenment and Internationalism (Globalism) could finally end.

I thought so, because ANUS was the one place that actually said to other Rightists: "Hey guys. We aren't going to solve our problems by beating up the Negro and Jewish kids."

ANUS had a shot. Now it's becoming unreliable, obscurantist, and increasingly similar to Leo Straussian deceptive neoconservativism.

Well, dang. Good luck with that, man. Meanwhile, I'ma go start a Rightist movement that actually accomplishes something.

Really? I think of ANUS as the Number One site on the web for people looking for Black Witchery scat porn, and advice on stealing blinkies.
The politically-themed posts are just trolls used to increase the web traffic.
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: Humanicide on March 14, 2012, 04:10:35 PM
Really? I think of ANUS as the Number One site on the web for people looking for Black Witchery scat porn, and advise on stealing blinkies.
The politically-themed posts are just trolls used to increase the web traffic.

Don't forget about the heartfelt tributes to Dimebag Darrel.
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: crow on March 14, 2012, 11:57:15 PM
It's not nice to stone an Emu.
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: Umbrage on March 15, 2012, 02:56:38 AM
I wanted to write a flippant comment but I cannot top the actual reality of events.

Here you go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fphDnT36W4w

No need to thank me.
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: on March 15, 2012, 04:18:07 AM
Yes, that works.
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: Conservationist on March 15, 2012, 04:52:32 AM
Emo youngsters need serious growing up / reality orientation, but brutal killing?

Yes.

The people who are attracted to emo never had souls anyway.

Send the bodies back, see if you can reincarnate someone useful instead.

Everything about emo reeks of self-pity, self-drama and other prole emotions.

If we killed them all, what would we lose?

...crickets...

Exactly. We're not losing future Beethovens here. We're losing future metrosexual barristas.
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: Stranger on March 17, 2012, 03:13:32 PM
Emo youngsters need serious growing up / reality orientation, but brutal killing?

Yes.

The people who are attracted to emo never had souls anyway.

Send the bodies back, see if you can reincarnate someone useful instead.

Everything about emo reeks of self-pity, self-drama and other prole emotions.

If we killed them all, what would we lose?

...crickets...

Exactly. We're not losing future Beethovens here. We're losing future metrosexual barristas.

wow...i really can't tell if this is a serious post, or sarcasm.

or maybe i'm getting too old for this type of humor.
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: scourge on March 17, 2012, 04:47:29 PM
If there is diseased growth, shear it off. It's trash, not life with any sort of promising future. There are a gajillion eight hundred and forty people over there anyway. Who would miss 'em?
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: Queequeg on March 18, 2012, 12:18:20 AM
The emo's seem to have three major options,

1. Stop being emo.
2. Become more aggressive.
3. Die.

2 seems to me like it would lead to 1. If they were to assert themselves and win in a fight that meant they saved their own life I'd imagine it would be eye opening for them. Enough so that they would probably wake up the next day and just forget to put on their mascara.
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: analrapist on March 19, 2012, 06:30:09 AM
I think we should crucify them. They will probably be good with it, they get to be Jesus for a couple days.
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: Humanicide on March 19, 2012, 07:26:49 AM
I've heard that the attacks aren't because these people are "emo" - per se, but because they are perceived as homosexual. The whole situation reminds me of those events in Mexico a few years back.

I support the eradication of emo kids, but I don't want to condone gang killing of homosexuals. Can anyone confirm/deny this?
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: analrapist on March 19, 2012, 11:37:18 AM
I'm a nihilist. I have no morality. If the Iranians want to kill every homosexual in Iran, I have no opinion on the topic.

From a practical perspective, it might be a bad idea. Something has gone wrong (biologically) if you turn out gay. But if your society kills homosexuals, the homosexuals will go undercover and will then father children, passing on those confused genes.

All I want out of life is the ability to live by my own values. I want to find a city or town where people are of like minds about what is permitted and what is not. For example, some may not want homosexuals in the town. I would have no objection to living there, because I'm not gay.
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: crow on March 19, 2012, 01:10:26 PM
In a land, far, far away, things are not as some think they should be.
But whatever those people think of events in a land, far, far away, thinking it changes nothing.
If those people are so hot to change anything, about anything, it makes far more sense to focus on what is within reach, and within sight.
One's influence only extends out to one's own horizon.
If you can see it, you may be able to influence it.
If you can't see it, leave it to those who can.

Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: I disagree on March 19, 2012, 03:21:21 PM
Homosexuality is Nature's population control. By eliminating gays, we are making more room for breeders to do what they've been overdoing best. Iraqis seem to be uninformed on population control.
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: Time Curator 23 on March 19, 2012, 06:55:34 PM
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I'm a nihilist. I have no morality. If the Iranians want to kill every homosexual in Iran, I have no opinion on the topic.

From a practical perspective, it might be a bad idea. Something has gone wrong (biologically) if you turn out gay. But if your society kills homosexuals, the homosexuals will go undercover and will then father children, passing on those confused genes.

All I want out of life is the ability to live by my own values. I want to find a city or town where people are of like minds about what is permitted and what is not. For example, some may not want homosexuals in the town. I would have no objection to living there, because I'm not gay.

^
insightful

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In a land, far, far away, things are not as some think they should be.
But whatever those people think of events in a land, far, far away, thinking it changes nothing.
If those people are so hot to change anything, about anything, it makes far more sense to focus on what is within reach, and within sight.
One's influence only extends out to one's own horizon.
If you can see it, you may be able to influence it.
If you can't see it, leave it to those who can.

Okay, on the one hand, you make a great point. It makes sense to first make changes in one's own personal life and local community before making changes on a national or global level. It also makes sense to not be a bleeding heart liberal humanist who gets hot over a micro tragedy that happened on the other side of the globe. God knows we have enough losers who can't even get their own lives together whining about social issues in the village of Dirteehutville, Africa.

But on the other hand, you don't make any sense. I can't "see" the toxic landfill leachate that's going to leak into the river a few blocks from my house in 20 - 30 years from now when the protective liner underneath degrades and fails to hold. I can't "see" the connection between peak oil and the sky rocketing costs of basic medical supplies which will greatly affect modern medicine and public health, let alone my future career. My brother can't "see" the way acid rain from coal-fired power plants affects his asthma. So, just because an event is in the future, or further than the horizon, does not mean we just lay back with a teenage-like "outta sight, outta mind" "not my problem" attitude.

Everyone here is intelligent and amoral (not immoral, but moral based on practicality and reality, not emotion and dogma). No one here is trying to morally 1up the other guy with humanistic concern. The discussion is not so much about this specific incident in Iraq, but about the principle: As globalization dies down, and local cultures and communities spring up once again, how should unwelcome members be dealt with? (See: Part IV of the Parallelism Primer (http://www.anus.com/zine/philosophy/).)
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: crow on March 19, 2012, 07:26:59 PM
The OP was about an item in the news.
My comment commented on the way many readers the news item presumably read it.
At no time did I mention anyone here, on this forum, all of whom are what you say they are.
It was a comment.
I commented.
My view.
Mine.
Etc.
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: Humanicide on March 19, 2012, 08:45:17 PM
Homosexuality is Nature's population control. By eliminating gays, we are making more room for breeders to do what they've been overdoing best. Iranians seem to be uninformed on population control.

Cheers. This is a good way of thinking about it. The whole Islamic world is uninformed about a lot of things; I view the whole stinking belief system as worthless.

I'm a nihilist. I have no morality.
_______________________

Something has gone wrong (biologically) if you turn out gay.

You just inserted your morals when you called it wrong. It's not "wrong", even in a biological sense. Nature isn't right or wrong; it just is. Same with homosexuality. It occurs naturally, and it just is. I get the feeling that some here may have a strong opinion one way and are trying to veil it. I'd rather people just said what they felt instead of trying to hide it.
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: Conservationist on March 20, 2012, 06:32:44 AM
Emo youngsters need serious growing up / reality orientation, but brutal killing?

Yes.

The people who are attracted to emo never had souls anyway.

Send the bodies back, see if you can reincarnate someone useful instead.

Everything about emo reeks of self-pity, self-drama and other prole emotions.

If we killed them all, what would we lose?

...crickets...

Exactly. We're not losing future Beethovens here. We're losing future metrosexual barristas.

wow...i really can't tell if this is a serious post, or sarcasm.

or maybe i'm getting too old for this type of humor.

No, I'm just a low drama person who states what is realistic.

What would we lose?

Answer the question. Most people are afraid to, but it's the vital question here.

If I said, "Euthanize all the felons," the important question is "what do we lose" not "how does this make me look to others."
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: Conservationist on March 20, 2012, 06:35:40 AM
But on the other hand, you don't make any sense. I can't "see" the toxic landfill leachate that's going to leak into the river a few blocks from my house in 20 - 30 years from now when the protective liner underneath degrades and fails to hold. I can't "see" the connection between peak oil and the sky rocketing costs of basic medical supplies which will greatly affect modern medicine and public health, let alone my future career. My brother can't "see" the way acid rain from coal-fired power plants affects his asthma. So, just because an event is in the future, or further than the horizon, does not mean we just lay back with a teenage-like "outta sight, outta mind" "not my problem" attitude.

I think this is true along the same lines of Plato's comment that you either get involved in government, or get ruled by those who got involved (even if they're total idiots). In other words, no sense complaining about something if you refuse to act on it. It's important first to get personally stable, but after that, it's essential to start fixing the problem.

I interpreted c-man's comment more to mean that outside of vital stuff like pollution and nuclear proliferation, who cares what they do in Iran? If they want to murder fags, emos, babies, women, Christians or negroes, it's none of our business nor is it a quagmire we should involve ourselves in. We have enough problems at home as it is. The one exception would be if we took all of our useless people, dressed them up as emos and sent them to Iran for them to kill. That's a win-win solution for both sides.
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: Conservationist on March 20, 2012, 06:36:44 AM
Nature isn't right or wrong; it just is. Same with homosexuality. It occurs naturally, and it just is. I get the feeling that some here may have a strong opinion one way and are trying to veil it. I'd rather people just said what they felt instead of trying to hide it.

This is the naturalistic fallacy. Cancer and psychopathy occur naturally too.
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: NHA on March 20, 2012, 09:11:00 AM
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If I said, "Euthanize all the felons," the important question is "what do we lose" not "how does this make me look to others."
What do we lose if we liquidate all of humanity?

What exactly are the arguments against homosexuality anyway? Mostly the only things i see people come up with is that its icky and against the will of a god that likes to troll people.

(http://img1.ranker.com/user_node_image/6397/1000127055/full/troll-photo-u31.jpg)
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: Humanicide on March 20, 2012, 10:04:32 AM
Nature isn't right or wrong; it just is. Same with homosexuality. It occurs naturally, and it just is. I get the feeling that some here may have a strong opinion one way and are trying to veil it. I'd rather people just said what they felt instead of trying to hide it.

This is the naturalistic fallacy. Cancer and psychopathy occur naturally too.

So? Cancer isn't "wrong" either. It's not desirable, yes, but it's not "wrong". Psychopathy is the same way. You can't throw objectivity around then back it up with subjectivity. Isn't that what we have criticized others here for doing? If you are not comfortable with homosexuality (not referring to you specifically, Conservationist, just using general terms), then just SAY so. No one here is going to rip you apart for it, even if we don't agree.

Nature is the ultimate nihilist. We can only try to emulate that.
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: crow on March 20, 2012, 10:33:46 AM
Why pressure anybody to SAY what they choose not to?
If they wanted to, they would.
The value of thoughts is in their being unspoken. Thoughts are personal things.
Once spoken, the deed is done, while thoughts remain fertilizer for further thoughts, leading to spoken words, or not.
Half-cooked thoughts, spoken or written, can do unintended damage. Conflict may be avoided by voluntary silence.
Likes and dislikes are not always public fare.
Unless made so.

Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: Conservationist on March 20, 2012, 10:58:19 AM
You can't throw objectivity around then back it up with subjectivity. Isn't that what we have criticized others here for doing? If you are not comfortable with homosexuality (not referring to you specifically, Conservationist, just using general terms), then just SAY so.

You're confusing two versions of the term "wrong":

(a) According to the Bible, this is wrong.

(b) Something's wrong with my car and it won't start.

#b is what I'm using.

Things go biologically wrong. Thus, biology eliminates that design. That is what happens with most mutations.

There is some biological reason for homosexuality. It turns off the desire to reproduce... we should consider that for a long time, and all should be clear.

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In our paper, we demonstrated that in a major Canadian centre, life expectancy at age 20 years for gay and bisexual men is 8 to 21 years less than for all men. If the same pattern of mortality continued, we estimated that nearly half of gay and bisexual men currently aged 20 years would not reach their 65th birthday. Under even the most liberal assumptions, gay and bisexual men in this urban centre were experiencing a life expectancy similar to that experienced by men in Canada in the year 1871. In contrast, if we were to repeat this analysis today the life expectancy of gay and bisexual men would be greatly improved. Deaths from HIV infection have declined dramatically in this population since 1996. As we have previously reported there has been a threefold decrease in mortality in Vancouver as well as in other parts of British Columbia.

http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/content/30/6/1499.full

Even when you remove AIDS and "the gay lifestyle" from the equation, gay people die younger on average. As this article points out, that's not a consequence of behavior but of biology.
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: crow on March 20, 2012, 11:20:19 AM
There is some biological reason for homosexuality. It turns off the desire to reproduce... we should consider that for a long time, and all should be clear.

Long consideration is unnecessary. That is a brilliant piece of observation, and one I never heard of, or thought about, before.
It probably applies, in some degree, to sex-addicts of all stripes.
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: crow on March 20, 2012, 12:48:57 PM
single-celled organism > intelligent anything
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: NHA on March 20, 2012, 01:35:35 PM
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It turns off the desire to reproduce... we should consider that for a long time, and all should be clear.

If that really were the case then it would be a self correcting problem but it isn't unheard of for gays to knock up women just for the sake of having offspring. I have no clue how prevalent it is though.

Also I remember reading somewhere that the chance to produce a homosexual goes up with the number of children a woman has had. IIRC it was unclear if this was primarily due to biological reasons or social ones resulting from the later kids being the youngest/weakest/most submissive in social activities.
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: Humanicide on March 20, 2012, 01:57:00 PM
You're confusing two versions of the term "wrong":

(a) According to the Bible, this is wrong.

(b) Something's wrong with my car and it won't start.

#b is what I'm using.


When you explain it that way, what you're saying makes a lot more sense. I suppose I need to read between the lines a bit more.

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There is some biological reason for homosexuality. It turns off the desire to reproduce... we should consider that for a long time, and all should be clear.

So, why are we not praising this in a time of overpopulation? The last thing we need is a ton more people; why frown upon homosexuality when it inadvertently helps the problem?
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: Conservationist on March 20, 2012, 02:17:59 PM
So, why are we not praising this in a time of overpopulation? The last thing we need is a ton more people; why frown upon homosexuality when it inadvertently helps the problem?

First let me separate out a couple issues:

I don't care about what happens in Iran. The Iranians can do whatever they want except have nuclear weapons. Personally, I'd rather not intervene in the Middle East at all, but if we don't intervene, bad results can occur. We have a chance to stop those while they're new but once they get going, it's harder to slow them down.

I don't think overpopulation will be solved by homosexuality, even if having homosexuals around helps it. In fact, in the first world there is no population problem; the first world is stable and shrinking in most cases. It's the third world that has 90% of the earth's population and a corresponding number of problems, if not more. Overpopulation will be solved by an end to subsidies and a reduction in land available.

I take a middle position on homosexuality. I don't want it happening around my kids, so it cannot be public or political. I reserve the right to be disgusted by it. Beyond that, I think it's wise to leave bachelors alone. Without the spotlight of politics, they can have happy lives together and feel no pressure to breed, etc.Without active persecution, they feel no need to hide their sexuality by behaving like heteros and having children, which would pass on whatever genes nature sought to conceal and remove...

This is separate from sodomy, which I endorse in all forms, at all times, with all species.
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: analrapist on March 21, 2012, 06:18:29 AM
Overpopulation is a big problem, the solution is to stop keeping people around. Start with the people who do nothing of any utility. There are huge groups that we could lose and nothing would fail in our society, infact it would work better. The homeless, the permanent underclass, homosexuals, fundamentalists, idiots, kiddy fiddlers, drugs addicts. If they all disappeared tomorrow most of you wouldn't notice at all, except that the roads would be clearer and stuff would work better.
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: Humanicide on March 21, 2012, 06:38:51 AM
homosexuals....If they all disappeared tomorrow most of you wouldn't notice at all

Just come out and say it already; stop beating around the bush. You don't like them. I sure as hell would notice, because I have homosexual friends who I hold dear to my heart and I value them as much as I do my hetero friends.

I also like how you automatically assume all homosexuals don't accomplish anything of worth. Here's a hint; they're similar to most demographics in that about 2% are worth saving. Fuck the rest. But if you kill off my friends, you're going to have to kill me off too.

I don't want to go throwing around insults, but you really need to get the fuck outside more.
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: analrapist on March 21, 2012, 06:54:10 AM
I don't have any feelings toward homosexuals, either way. I don't know any. That's not from lack of availability. I hang out with people like myself.

My point is that if a angry republican Jesus comes back and kills them off, society will go on. In fact it will probably function better without the drama of fags versus christians going on all the time.

You can't deny that with a straight (ha ha) face. There is a norm. People who get away from that even if they're your friends, are not necessary and that which is not necessary just slows us down as a society.

I don't see why you try to make this personal. It's exactly opposite, I don't care about who they are, but which group they are, same with the pedophiles and emos. If we lose them, no loss. My inner nihilist says so what.
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: Humanicide on March 21, 2012, 08:24:57 AM
I don't have any feelings toward homosexuals, either way. I don't know any. That's not from lack of availability. I hang out with people like myself.

My point is that if a angry republican Jesus comes back and kills them off, society will go on. In fact it will probably function better without the drama of fags versus christians going on all the time.

You don't know any - so you have an extremely poor frame of reference when it comes to their ways. Most are wastes of life, but there are some (like in any group) who are genuine and worth knowing. Your loss if you choose not to associate with them; seems the impressions you get are from an outsider looking in, which are never fully accurate.

What if a fag Jesus came back and killed all the Republicans? I think society would function better as a result in that case too. But just "removing" one side still leaves us with the problem with the other side.

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You can't deny that with a straight (ha ha) face. There is a norm. People who get away from that even if they're your friends, are not necessary and that which is not necessary just slows us down as a society.


I'm quite away from the norm, in terms of your average braindead pleb. So does that disqualify me?  Are you necessary to society? Am I? Who makes these judgements? You throw out all of these terms like "norm" and what not, but unfortunately there exists NO universal "norm". Normal is a relative term. It can be applied intelligently among people who agree and reach a consensus, but don't speak for everyone here, because not everyone exists under your "norm". People who differ in turn form different societies.

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I don't see why you try to make this personal. It's exactly opposite, I don't care about who they are, but which group they are, same with the pedophiles and emos. If we lose them, no loss. My inner nihilist says so what.

It is personal, because what you're advocating is not nihilism. If you were truly nihilistic you would have no opinion about homosexuals at all, even the group. You would simply say that they exist. Period. My inner nihilist says keep around the people who are useful, whether they be gay or black or purple or green. I see no use in bothering with people who have a sexual fetish which occurs between two consenting adults. Like Conservationist said, they should have their own areas where they can be gay and live without fear of condemnation; because they would be separate from the "norm".
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: I disagree on March 21, 2012, 08:44:21 AM
I don't have any feelings toward homosexuals, either way. I don't know any. That's not from lack of availability. I hang out with people like myself.

My point is that if a angry republican Jesus comes back and kills them off, society will go on. In fact it will probably function better without the drama of fags versus christians going on all the time.

You can't deny that with a straight (ha ha) face. There is a norm. People who get away from that even if they're your friends, are not necessary and that which is not necessary just slows us down as a society.

I don't see why you try to make this personal. It's exactly opposite, I don't care about who they are, but which group they are, same with the pedophiles and emos. If we lose them, no loss. My inner nihilist says so what.

By this logic, minorities of any society would benefit the majority if they left or were exterminated.

This includes

minority christians amongst a society of Jews or a society of Muslims
minority bisexuals amongst a society of homosexual society or heterosexual society
minority nihilists amongst a society of creationists or LaVeyan satanists.
minority misogynists amongst a society of femenists
minority Swahili amongst a society of North Fali or Turgens
minority quakers amongst menonites

etc.

The point is societies thrive with cohesiveness, and groups that try to coexist break majority norms. No matter who or what dies off, life will go on.  Regardless, I don't see what this obsession is with promoting societies that "thrive" or are "productive". Productive toward what? There are no real goals of any society. They pretend like there are, such as "getting into heaven" and what not, but it's all speculative. Whether artificially, or naturally, the human race will be what it will be, and if degenerates infect the rest of the world's population, so what?

We need to stop pretending and supporting this "idealism" that threats of minorities who live amongst dominant cultures is anything else but annoying or uncomfortable. Are emos and/or homosexuals a threat to Iraqi culture? Maybe, but really, for as weak as that culture is, it will always be a passing phase. And if they do take over, then it's Iraqi culture that is weak.

I don't see the point in resisting minority cultures. If they are weak, or can't coexist, they will go away over time. And if they end up taking over, then it was meant to be. And if they end up destroying the human race, then whatever.





Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: on March 21, 2012, 10:24:26 AM
Why does everyone keep calling Iraq Iran? We're not journalists at Fox News....
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: Humanicide on March 21, 2012, 11:03:47 AM
Fantastic point, I disagree. Spoken in truly objective terms.
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: crow on March 21, 2012, 11:26:01 AM
What do we have here?
A specific 'group' of people, in this case 'gays', who nobody can say no to, no matter how they behave.
They are allowed to offend people, be aggressive and rude, sue whomever, and suffer no consequences as a result.
They can trash anybody's religious beliefs with immunity. No comeback.
Yet if anybody gets upset at any of this, they demolish that person, ruin his life, get him arrested, and who knows what else.
This specific group is even able to pit non-members of the group against each other.
Taken as a whole, the group seems not to be a very positive thing for society.
Unless chaos and destruction is a desired result.
An interesting phenomenon, no?

Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: NHA on March 21, 2012, 03:06:15 PM
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There is a norm. People who get away from that even if they're your friends, are not necessary and that which is not necessary just slows us down as a society.

Most geniuses and highly creative people seem to be deviant in one way or another. The masses aren't the ones pushing society forward they just maintain the infrastructure (if you're lucky).

I read an interesting essay by Montaigne related to the conservative viewpoint the other day (i'd paste the relevant parts but i can't find it). He starts by talking about the nature of habits and develops it into a discussion about how culture grows out of them and how often when closely examined their roots seem trivial and arbitrary. But replacing these habits with newer ones, usually just as arbitrary, often comes at great expense with little effectively gained in the end. 

Makes sense; but highly conservative societies might have issues with stagnation i think. If you look at Chinese culture, for instance, it really doesn't seem to change much during its various periods (similar art, clothing, etc).

A more interesting question is what kept the middle east from developing at the same pace as Europe? Economically, i've heard Islamic inheritance laws played a part to a certain degree by preventing the accumulation of wealth and ultimately the formation of corporations.


Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: Conservationist on March 21, 2012, 04:36:45 PM
Go ahead and hate fags if you want. It doesn't affect me, and it doesn't do any damage that I can see unless you force them into breeding. That could be a biological fuck-up. That being said, I don't see the point in hating fags or anyone else. I do see the point in declaring clear and strong local standards and exiling non-adherents.

I think "I disagree" makes a bad point however. Divergent groups fragment a culture, whether it's minorities or ideological enemies. Pretending the problem isn't there is just evasion. In fact, we can see how ludicrous his point is by extending it to another group: criminals. If criminals are destined to be, they'll thrive, so don't counteract them. Umm... yeah.
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: crow on March 21, 2012, 04:43:53 PM
I don't 'hate' them.
I never had an opinion either way, before it became illegal to disapprove of anything they did, because they identified with that group.
I have a couple of friends who are gay, and that's fine. They don't ever make an issue of it, hence they are 'people' as opposed to 'gay'.
I like them because they are likeable. If they were assholes, I wouldn't like them, gay or not.
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: Conservationist on March 21, 2012, 04:46:13 PM
I think if I were gay, I wouldn't make a big deal of it either. In fact, I'd want it under wraps, like my current sexuality (I only get excited by V-8 trucks). I wouldn't want it to define me and, if people out there did hate fags for having sexual practices that are repulsive and disgusting to heretosexuals, I'd want them not to come after me.
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: crow on March 21, 2012, 04:50:48 PM
Like, what? You got a brain in your skull, or something weird like that???
That's, like, really disgusting.
Apart from the truck thing, anyway.
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: I disagree on March 21, 2012, 05:35:42 PM

I think "I disagree" makes a bad point however. Divergent groups fragment a culture, whether it's minorities or ideological enemies. Pretending the problem isn't there is just evasion. In fact, we can see how ludicrous his point is by extending it to another group: criminals. If criminals are destined to be, they'll thrive, so don't counteract them. Umm... yeah.

The argument only seems to hold in extreme examples. I wouldn't categorically put all minority cultures like I stated previously, in the same boat with criminals like murderers or pedophiles. We're talking about a group that is largely just materialistic and self loathing (emo's), which is not the same that a person who deliberately breaks laws well-defined laws.
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: lafindumonde on March 21, 2012, 06:01:04 PM
[feminine hipster]
I like gays, they make me feel less threatened
[/feminine hipster]
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: Humanicide on March 21, 2012, 06:10:28 PM
I think if I were gay, I wouldn't make a big deal of it either. In fact, I'd want it under wraps, like my current sexuality (I only get excited by V-8 trucks). I wouldn't want it to define me and, if people out there did hate fags for having sexual practices that are repulsive and disgusting to heretosexuals, I'd want them not to come after me.

Most of the gay folks I know are the same way. "Yeah, I'm a fag." That's about it. Flamboyant gays are fucking IRRITATING and they give the entire gay community a bad name.

Look at the Matthew Shepard case. Good example of the behavior that can result when heteros are around gays. Best to avoid cases like that in the future.
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: analrapist on March 22, 2012, 06:14:59 AM
Most geniuses and highly creative people seem to be deviant in one way or another.

The first rule of Fight Club is don't accept as true anything that this society has told you. Most geniuses are geeks who live in small laboratories and never have sex.
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: indjaseemun on March 22, 2012, 09:13:25 AM
So, why are we not praising this in a time of overpopulation? The last thing we need is a ton more people; why frown upon homosexuality when it inadvertently helps the problem?

First let me separate out a couple issues:

I don't care about what happens in Iran. The Iranians can do whatever they want except have nuclear weapons.

I think it is reasonable that Iran "is allowed" to have nuclear weapons, because if a lot of other countries can have it, why shouldn't they? I am 100% in favor of Iran having nuclear weapons.
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: I disagree on March 22, 2012, 10:51:40 AM
I think if I were gay, I wouldn't make a big deal of it either. In fact, I'd want it under wraps, like my current sexuality (I only get excited by V-8 trucks). I wouldn't want it to define me and, if people out there did hate fags for having sexual practices that are repulsive and disgusting to heretosexuals, I'd want them not to come after me.

I don't think we can label homosexual practices as being exclusively repulsive to heterosexuals. Heterosexuals who practice S&M or coprophilia in a heterosexual way can  also repulsive to many other hetero or homosexuals.
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: crow on March 22, 2012, 11:04:36 AM
Like, two repulsives make a right?
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: Conservationist on March 22, 2012, 02:27:07 PM
Heterosexuals who practice S&M or coprophilia in a heterosexual way can  also repulsive to many other hetero or homosexuals.

KILL THEM TOO!
Title: Re: Stoned to death for being an emo
Post by: Phenoptosis on March 23, 2012, 11:13:28 AM
Self-regulation is one of the appeals of traditional society.