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Title: Adventures in Canadian Liberalism.
Post by: crow on April 06, 2012, 03:00:53 PM
I admit, I have trouble with this.
And since you'va all wanted to be Canadian Liberals, at some point, here's what I know about it...

There is a script you maust follow. It goes something like this:
1: "How are you today?"
2: You are supposed to respond with: "Fine thanks. How about you?"
3: "Fine thanks."
Then you're both supposed to end the conversation and ignore each other.
But if you don't respond to being asked how you are today, the initiator will respond as if you had, anyway.
If you do respond, but with any details about how you actually are, the initiator will become increasingly paranoid, and may well end up calling the police.

In stores, which is where Canadians spend almost all their free time, there is also a script.
This often takes the form of adding non-sequiturs to the end of any question:
1: "Do you have a telephone number, with us, today?"
Which is a sort of base starting point, for other random non-sequiturs, such as:
2: "Do you have a telephone number, with us, today, at all?" Or:
3: "Do you have a telephone number, with us, today, at all, or...?"
Notice, in example 3:, the addition of what I like to refer to, as 'The Hanging "Or"'. The Hanging 'Or' denotes your unwillingness to assume anything, which is a good indicator of your non-judgmentalism, and thus complete harmlessness, which is the most important thing a Canadian Liberal wishes to convey.

Canadian Liberals also like to announce to complete strangers that they are "very Liberal", and "proudly Canadian", along with other sundry proclamations that bear no relation to anything, and could be just as easily left unsaid.

Oops my breakfast is ready. Gotta run...
Title: Re: Adventures in Canadian Liberalism.
Post by: lafindumonde on April 06, 2012, 03:05:19 PM
This touches on multiple subjects, including social acceptance and conditioned behavior.
Title: Re: Adventures in Canadian Liberalism.
Post by: Phoenix on April 06, 2012, 03:32:35 PM
Are you referring to Canadians who consider themselves liberal in general or Canadians who vote for the Liberal Party of Canada? It's a big difference, since liberalism in Canada is different than in the USA (which I assume you're aware of since you must know lots about Canadians in order to make generalizations about them).

Personally I vote NPD, which is more left than the Liberals. I prefer the NDP's military, economic and social policies and I believe they have a great leader now in Tom Mulcair. And I don't mind paying taxes.

I should add that I feel no sense of nationalism or patriotism whatsoever for Canada, Quebec or  Montreal (although I am fully appreciative of living where I do).

This touches on multiple subjects, including social acceptance and conditioned behavior.

Thank you so much for pointing this out.
Title: Re: Adventures in Canadian Liberalism.
Post by: crow on April 06, 2012, 03:45:06 PM
Mmmm. Scrambled eggs on toast with black coffee. Where was I?
Ah yes...

Everything you ever say, to anyone, for whatever reason, no matter the content, will be responded to with:
"Pardon me?" Or some variation of that. So you will be obliged to repeat yourself. Maybe several times.
If there was something contained in what you said, that might have been costrued as 'offensive' for some obscure reason, which is actually almost anything you might say, then the stock response will be:
"Excuse me?"

On the other hand, after several instances of being prompted to repeat yourself, you stare silently at your questioner, you will find yourself in imminent danger of being arrested.
And all of this is normal, eh? Don't forget to add 'eh' to anything you might say, either, or you may be taken for a damned Murkan, and loathed, out of hand, by the tolerant Canadian Liberals.

Yes, Canada is a paradise of Liberalism, presided over, incongruously, by a Conservative government. At least, for now.
Which makes it all the stranger: who on earth would have voted Conservative? Nobody, you find, will admit to doing so. Hmmm.
The last election form I was presented with, had four choices:
Conservative. (The least liberal of all the liberal choices).
Liberal. (The second least liberal of all the choices).
NPD. (The far left wind party).
Marxist Leninists. (Aliens from outer space).

So there you are. I only scratch the surface here, for the sake of humour and brevity.
But I have to advise against pursuing your secret desire to become a Canadian Liberal.
It has made a real mess of more than a few people.
It could easily make a real mess of YOU!

Title: Re: Adventures in Canadian Liberalism.
Post by: Phoenix on April 06, 2012, 03:55:23 PM
Everything you ever say, to anyone, for whatever reason, no matter the content, will be responded to with:
"Pardon me?" Or some variation of that. So you will be obliged to repeat yourself. Maybe several times.
If there was something contained in what you said, that might have been costrued as 'offensive' for some obscure reason, which is actually almost anything you might say, then the stock response will be:
"Excuse me?"

On the other hand, after several instances of being prompted to repeat yourself, you stare silently at your questioner, you will find yourself in imminent danger of being arrested.
And all of this is normal, eh? Don't forget to add 'eh' to anything you might say, either, or you may be taken for a damned Murkan, and loathed, out of hand, by the tolerant Canadian Liberals.

LMAO. Maybe they treat you funny because you're a bit freaky. For fuck's sake.

I can't even respond to this thread, it's ludicrous. It's biased so far towards your own unique personal experiences and then applied in general... and you say you're coming from a spiritually-aware vantage point. No. Your ego is almost as astounding as how oblivious you are to it.

I live in Canada but I won't claim to know Canada. I would probably hate to live in the prairie provinces, or the northern US states as they could be alternatively called. They might even treat me as some sort of freak if I showed up there.
Title: Re: Adventures in Canadian Liberalism.
Post by: crow on April 06, 2012, 04:03:04 PM
And are you not a freak?
I have extensively travelled and lived all over this immense land, and the parodies I describe exist in metropolitan areas, only, along with the west coast and especially the Gulf Islands.
The prairies, and Newfoundland are the places where the greatest manifestation of calmness and sanity are to be found.
So avoid those places, like the plague, if you prefer the alternative.
I currently inhabit the looniest place in Canada: The looniest of the loony Gulf Islands :)
I did like La Ville de Quebec, though, in spite of its uniquely francophone liberalism.
Title: Re: Adventures in Canadian Liberalism.
Post by: Phoenix on April 06, 2012, 04:07:17 PM
Well your claims are preposterous.
Title: Re: Adventures in Canadian Liberalism.
Post by: crow on April 06, 2012, 04:09:47 PM
How so? They are parodies, but even so, as accurate as I can make them.
Title: Re: Adventures in Canadian Liberalism.
Post by: Phoenix on April 06, 2012, 04:12:13 PM
Perhaps I've taken you too literally, if you say they were only parodies! It's just that I could easily imagine you getting yourself into those situations, haha.

I certainly don't know what it has to do with liberalism, however...
Title: Re: Adventures in Canadian Liberalism.
Post by: crow on April 06, 2012, 04:20:30 PM
The proof is in the pudding.
You, my friend, are what the thread is about: The Canadian Liberal.
Title: Re: Adventures in Canadian Liberalism.
Post by: lafindumonde on April 06, 2012, 04:30:03 PM
The "how are you" is well parodied in Idiocracy's "Welcome to Costco, I love you" scene.

Words that have been drained of all meaning.
Title: Re: Adventures in Canadian Liberalism.
Post by: crow on April 06, 2012, 04:32:43 PM
When everything is an act, where is reality to be found?
You have to make a career of rediscovering it.
Title: Re: Adventures in Canadian Liberalism.
Post by: Phoenix on April 06, 2012, 05:20:59 PM
The proof is in the pudding.
You, my friend, are what the thread is about: The Canadian Liberal.

I'd very much like to find more like-minded individuals near me, but alas I'm certainly not representative of the general population around here.
Title: Re: Adventures in Canadian Liberalism.
Post by: Conservationist on April 06, 2012, 05:42:48 PM
Then why do you stay?
Title: Re: Adventures in Canadian Liberalism.
Post by: Phoenix on April 06, 2012, 05:44:06 PM
I think it's one of the least worst of the possible options.
Title: Re: Adventures in Canadian Liberalism.
Post by: Conservationist on April 06, 2012, 05:45:18 PM
Grim!

I don't know the answer to the question for myself. Then again I live in a massively cosmopolitan city, so there's not exactly a type around here. And that is then the problem.

I think you should move here for a few years and see if your opinions change!
Title: Re: Adventures in Canadian Liberalism.
Post by: lafindumonde on April 06, 2012, 06:40:01 PM
I think it's one of the least worst of the possible options.

Noone knows your situation, but you may want to make sure you aren't just making excuses.
Title: Re: Adventures in Canadian Liberalism.
Post by: Phoenix on April 06, 2012, 07:09:37 PM
I think it's one of the least worst of the possible options.

Noone knows your situation, but you may want to make sure you aren't just making excuses.

If you must know, I don't know where the ideal place is, but for now, finances considered, this place will suffice, and it will suffice relatively well.
Title: Re: Adventures in Canadian Liberalism.
Post by: crow on April 06, 2012, 07:17:18 PM
So what we have, as I see it is this:
In Canada, at least, leftism has evolved into a totalitarian censorship system, that really needs no overseeing, since it enforces itself.
People are stopped, in their tracks, from expressing any conclusions they may have come to, from observing and/or directly experiencing their lives.
If they do so, they are called stereotypers, or generalizers, or bigots.
Stereotyper: One who assigns certain behaviours to certain groups.
It escapes the ones who label such people 'stereotypers', that they themselves are stereotyping the ones they so label, as being part of a certain group, known as 'stereotypers'.
The same goes for any such labeling of individuals.
Oops, supper is ready, gotta go...

(Damn, I have a superior sort of wife :)

 
Title: Re: Adventures in Canadian Liberalism.
Post by: Phoenix on April 06, 2012, 07:29:12 PM
The way you see it is offensive, because it is illogical and ignores the facts (and then excuses itself with fancifulness).
Title: Re: Adventures in Canadian Liberalism.
Post by: crow on April 06, 2012, 07:59:03 PM
Your comment is ambiguous.
Have I offended you?
If I have, then I am glad, even though it was the last thing I set out to do.
You, yourself, are extremely offensive, and gratuitously so.
Not that I mind.
I have nothing to prove.
And as for the size of my ego...


Title: Re: Adventures in Canadian Liberalism.
Post by: crow on April 06, 2012, 08:16:34 PM
In short;
When a man knows his worth, it looks like ego to the worthless.
Ego is the portrayal of worth, in place of the worth, itself.

The life of The Canadian Liberal revolves around the giving, and taking, of offense.
It's about the only thing 'equal' about liberals.
They give, and take, this thing, equally.
Title: Re: Adventures in Canadian Liberalism.
Post by: Phoenix on April 06, 2012, 09:57:42 PM
Your comment is ambiguous.

Let me ignore the remaining fancifulness of your reply and address this first point. My comment is ambiguous? I said you are illogical and ignore the facts. In this thread you are framing my apparently huge ego as typical of the Liberal Canadian, yet you cannot establish what defines me as particularly liberal or even as particularly Canadian. I personally hold no favour towards liberalism or Canada, yet you continue to bombard me with these rediculous labels--you who just recently started the thread "label this!" in which you criticize the use of labels. I express that I do not vote for the Liberal Party of Canada and that I believe I am extremely unrepresentative of the average Canadian, yet you do not engage me along these lines of discussion. Instead, you continue to bombard me with derogatory stereotypes, and further assert that one of my faults as a "Liberal Canadian" is that I will fault you for stereotyping me. Please try to understand, the offense has nothing to do with you calling me a liberal, with you calling me a Canadian, or with you disparaging either of those two labels. The offense you speak of arises from an impersonal place, from a universal place, where logic is over-archingly the dominant hierarchy and establishes that which is true and just. In effect you offend yourself, and I simply point it out. That you appropriate the good name of Eastern spirituality as part of you ruse makes you all the more sorry.
Title: Re: Adventures in Canadian Liberalism.
Post by: crow on April 06, 2012, 10:06:20 PM
Fine, but what are you saying?
You admit voting NDP.
That is as left-wing as it's possible to get, unless you go the Marxist-Leninist route.
You hang yourself by your own petard, mon vieux.
And leave the logic out. You have no clear grasp of what logic is.
What you are referring to, is emotional delusion, which was what I designed the thread to explore.
This isn't a battle, and I am not engaging you.
Why would I?
Shadow-boxing is not my thing.
I dug a hole and you jumped in.
Nobody made you do that, or even invited you to.
So you're in a hole. So what? Who cares, anyway?
Dig deeper, or climb out.
Have fun.
 


Title: Re: Adventures in Canadian Liberalism.
Post by: Phoenix on April 06, 2012, 10:21:16 PM
The NDP party and the Liberal party are in hot contest against one another in Canada currently, and as I stated I do not identify with the label of "liberal". Furthermore I do not vote for the NDP because I believe they are the strongest party in the area of human rights, what appeals to me most is their economic policies, their environmental policies (which I forgot to mention earlier) and their military policies, but of course I did not have an opportunity to mention this since you never cared to engage me on this topic.

The fact remains that you call me a "Canadian Liberal", whereas in my paradigm I can find no term, label, stereotype or pigeonhole in which to place you. Perhaps you are unique, but I submit that I am also unique, yet you can stereotype me but I cannot stereotype you.

And since meta-politics are so much at play these days, allow me to clarify my intentions in making my previous post. I sought to allow other forum members to laugh at you and glimpse wisdom in the process, I sought to honor the responsibility of carrying the link that I do in my sig, and I sought to bolster my standing on these forums so that said if I seek to express more glimpses of said wisdom in the future that my words will be taken in good standing. On a personal level I could care less, except that it is part of the process of life and I am fervently engaged in it.

And yes, as I write this I am not angry, rather I am having fun, if you have not figured that out already!
Title: Re: Adventures in Canadian Liberalism.
Post by: crow on April 06, 2012, 10:44:17 PM
Whatever you say, Jack.
So 'human rights' is at the top of your must-have list?
That's no surprise. I wonder that you haven't realized what a death-sentence to humanity that idiotic fantasy is yet.
Are you one of those postcard-writing troopers exploited by Amnesty International?
And, as you say, you seek to impress forum members with your wisdom.
Well, a tip for the young: young people don't have any wisdom.
That's why it's called wisdom.
In order to impress people with it, it is necessary to first have some of it.
And, experience tells me, wisdom isn't something the non-wise are able to recognize.
They obviously - not being wise - don't know what it is.
And so they ridicule it, as being the pretense of wisdom.
Like you do, to me.
Often.

It might be better to graciously concede, before you start to look like you are beginning to look.
There is no disgrace in that. There is actually wisdom in that.
Dare you smile and accept it?
I invite you.



Title: Re: Adventures in Canadian Liberalism.
Post by: August on April 07, 2012, 06:46:35 AM
I admit, I have trouble with this.
And since you'va all wanted to be Canadian Liberals, at some point, here's what I know about it...

There is a script you maust follow. It goes something like this:
1: "How are you today?"
2: You are supposed to respond with: "Fine thanks. How about you?"
3: "Fine thanks."
Then you're both supposed to end the conversation and ignore each other.
But if you don't respond to being asked how you are today, the initiator will respond as if you had, anyway.
If you do respond, but with any details about how you actually are, the initiator will become increasingly paranoid, and may well end up calling the police.

In stores, which is where Canadians spend almost all their free time, there is also a script.
This often takes the form of adding non-sequiturs to the end of any question:
1: "Do you have a telephone number, with us, today?"
Which is a sort of base starting point, for other random non-sequiturs, such as:
2: "Do you have a telephone number, with us, today, at all?" Or:
3: "Do you have a telephone number, with us, today, at all, or...?"
Notice, in example 3:, the addition of what I like to refer to, as 'The Hanging "Or"'. The Hanging 'Or' denotes your unwillingness to assume anything, which is a good indicator of your non-judgmentalism, and thus complete harmlessness, which is the most important thing a Canadian Liberal wishes to convey.

This is a very funny way to put it, and I realize (even though I'm not Canadian) that this pertains to a particular neurotic pattern of behaviour, but I still want to nitpick because the subject of discourse is always interesting.

You will have a hard time finding a culture in any place or time in which spoken discourse is entirely pragmatic. Similarly to body language the empty phrase has always worked as a much needed social lubricant, as anyone who has ever made friends or successfully courted a woman realizes. What is striking (and sad) is actually how we have less codes of conduct today than ever before, and how politeness is becoming less and less important. Acceptable behaviour in aristocratic societies required knowledge of many of these seemingly pointless linguistic subtleties, because "going the extra mile" for your conversational partner was seen as a proof of respect and politeness.

We should put this in your context again however. As you pointed out this is a time when all substance has given way for fluff and air, and indeed; lubricant should only be applied to achieve the sufficient amount of friction, and not to remove it altogether. The Anus demands the right amount of lubricant. :-D
Title: Re: Adventures in Canadian Liberalism.
Post by: Phoenix on April 07, 2012, 07:01:55 AM
So 'human rights' is at the top of your must-have list?

Just the opposite.

Quote
And, as you say, you seek to impress forum members with your wisdom.

Impress? Not at all. Nor do I try to make myself look like an incompetent, blathering idiot. Let me put it this way: I pay attention to how other forum members perceive me to help guard against the possibility of them misinterpreting my words. Fair enough?
Title: Re: Adventures in Canadian Liberalism.
Post by: Conservationist on April 07, 2012, 07:36:26 AM
I sought to allow other forum members to laugh at you

I don't think this is a good idea; overall, it will lower the standard of discourse.
Title: Re: Adventures in Canadian Liberalism.
Post by: crow on April 07, 2012, 11:09:55 AM
It may, too, set the standard of discourse, so we may, with some work, raise it from there.

Title: Re: Adventures in Canadian Liberalism.
Post by: Phoenix on April 07, 2012, 02:47:09 PM
I sought to allow other forum members to laugh at you

I don't think this is a good idea; overall, it will lower the standard of discourse.

But I did not seek to exaggerate or fabricate anything in my efforts, my intent was noble, I took time to elaborate a clear argument, and I am willing to engage counter-arguments. In this context I do not think the forum needs to worry about bluntness and laughter.
Title: Re: Adventures in Canadian Liberalism.
Post by: crow on April 07, 2012, 02:57:03 PM
I think you miss the point.
Not all of us measure fun in terms of argument, insult, and ridicule.
Title: Re: Adventures in Canadian Liberalism.
Post by: Phoenix on April 07, 2012, 03:25:39 PM
You're like Krishnamurti, you believe everything is false, except you talk a hell of a lot more than he does. If you aren't having fun then feel free to stop talking.
Title: Re: Adventures in Canadian Liberalism.
Post by: crow on April 07, 2012, 03:52:31 PM
Am I spoiling your having-of-fun-at-my-expense?
I tend to do that, as the mood takes me.
You should see what happens when I really decide to engage.
Title: Re: Adventures in Canadian Liberalism.
Post by: Conservationist on April 07, 2012, 08:14:30 PM
You're like Krishnamurti

That's not a terrible compliment.