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Title: Walk > Talk
Post by: Spectrum on April 08, 2012, 09:27:13 PM
(http://limeandslate.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Breivik.jpg)

Rather than sitting on his ass, Anders killed nearly 100 Norwegian traitors. What have you done?

Ideology matters. Writing, discussing, and introspection are crucial to discovering the truth of our modern situation. .
Then what? Are you just going to blog your nation's problems away? Are you just going to join some obscure third party and hope people will hear you?

Face it: You can't convince the masses quickly enough, and most of them are too inadequate to not put their heads in the sand. Sometimes, you have to be the villain. The people are committing wrong, so naturally, being right puts you in a situation in which you are labelled "insane", "evil", or "hateful". As a result, you will be expected to be complacent, so you cannot make anyone feel uncomfortable. In my country, America, the people have aptly demonstrated they will throw away their own children's financial future without a second thought. Ignorance and malice produce the same results. If a good person does bad things, they are still a problem and a danger to others.

The only thing Anders did wrong is not getting others to help him. Maybe that nearly-hundred could have been 500.

Otherwise, you are just dissecting society and bemoaning the ills of your time for your own amusement. You don't care to fix it, making you the very people whom you detest.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: NHA on April 08, 2012, 09:45:46 PM
Blah blah blah.

Terrorism is pointless (yet amusing!) because the crowd doesn't have the attention span or interest to read into your motivations. 90% of the population places this guy in the same boat as the Virginia Tech shooter.5% groups him with other maladjusted losers who externalize their personal problems. 4% ARE the maladjusted losers and 1% are ultra intelligent and ultra fluffy hamsters. All it does is alienate the crowd from your cause because no one wants to be part of your doomsday cult (unless theres a lot of kinky sex involved).

Did the indoctrination camp that he attacked even get shut down?





Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Spectrum on April 08, 2012, 09:47:11 PM
Blah blah blah.

Terrorism is pointless (yet amusing!) because the crowd doesn't have the attention span or interest to read into your motivations. 90% of the population places this guy in the same boat as the Virginia Tech shooter.5% groups him with other maladjusted losers who externalize their personal problems. 4% ARE the maladjusted losers and 1% are ultra intelligent and ultra fluffy hamsters. All it does is alienate the crowd from your cause because no one wants to be part of your doomsday cult (unless theres a lot of kinky sex involved).

Did the indoctrination camp that he attacked even get shut down?



If you are not going to do anything, then why do you waste your time here?
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: NHA on April 08, 2012, 09:51:28 PM
Sorry for not shooting people through the internet.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Spectrum on April 08, 2012, 09:54:58 PM
Sorry for not shooting people through the internet.

It's okay, I didn't expect any decent explanation from someone from ANUS. Most of you haven't figure out you must go offline to fix the broken. Otherwise, all this talk is a waste of your time. You like to think you are superior to the masses AND the people who oppose the masses... right, all from your computer screen.

If you guys would admit you do this for your own amusement, I wouldn't have a problem with any of you.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: NHA on April 08, 2012, 10:13:45 PM
LOL YOU GUYS ARE SUCH FAGS FOR ACTING SUPERIOR ON THE INTERWEBS BUT IM TOTALLY NOT CONDESCENDING OR ANYTHING AND PRETENDING TO BE ABOVE.


Question. Beer Hall Putsch. Good idea or bad idea?

Pro: Made a name for himself, met contacts in prison, free time to write book and plot, learned not to fuck with the state on the street level. Lenient sentencing.


Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Spectrum on April 08, 2012, 10:19:43 PM
BUT IM TOTALLY NOT CONDESCENDING OR ANYTHING AND PRETENDING TO BE ABOVE.


I'm criticizing you guys. I never once mentioned being better than all of you. ANUS claims to be free from herd behavior, so its members shouldn't get buthurt over criticism. And don't say you are not butthurt. Claiming I am doing this for an ego trip is a great way to dodge criticism and address my points.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: NHA on April 08, 2012, 10:36:23 PM
Coulda just skipped the bullshit and thrown out a "NO U" but ok. Also you diddnt address my ramblings about hitler which is actually directly related. tsk tsk clearly buttmad.

What are your points again?
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: NHA on April 08, 2012, 10:37:57 PM
Also i'm not on ANUS staff and neither are 90% of the posters.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Spectrum on April 08, 2012, 10:43:36 PM
What are your points again?

...

Also i'm not on ANUS staff and neither are 90% of the posters.

Here you go. (http://www.scholastic.com/resources/article/reading-comprehension)
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Queequeg on April 08, 2012, 10:50:36 PM
All I see you doing is telling everyone in the hall to go out and kill people. Perhaps I'm being literal and you are just telling everyone to get active doing something or anything, feel free to correct me on that part.

I'm not going to claim I'm doing something great to improve humanity today, but I'd like to know what it is you are doing.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: NHA on April 08, 2012, 10:50:49 PM
How am i supposed to learn reading comprehension by reading how to learn it? Cyclical dependency feels bad man.

Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Spectrum on April 08, 2012, 10:57:18 PM
How am i supposed to learn reading comprehension by reading how to learn it? Cyclical dependency feels bad man.



I wasn't being serious...

Way to dodge the fact that I never mentioned the ANUS staff and made points you decided to ignore in favor of condemning acts of terror on a website who supports a terrorist. Just so you know, I'm no longer replying to your posts; I have milked you for all you are worth.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Iron on April 08, 2012, 10:57:47 PM
I'm pretty sure that what I'm doing with my life is going to have a greater positive/constructive impact on our world than that asshole's stupid emo-rampage writ large. He massacred strangers and ensured the further demonization of the right-wing perspective. That is all his life will ever amount to.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Spectrum on April 08, 2012, 10:58:21 PM
I'm pretty sure that what I'm doing

What are you doing to change things?
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: NHA on April 08, 2012, 11:01:03 PM
LAWL NO EGO DRIVEN CONDESCENSION HERE GUYZ.

Sorry for not lactating up to your standards.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Iron on April 08, 2012, 11:08:46 PM
I am building an academic career and networking with like-minded others in similar positions in order to carve out a small place in our culture's intellectual discourse for the 'forbidden' point of view (against humanism, against democracy, against utilitarianism, etc). This is going to be difficult, and I might not succeed, but I'm trying anyway.

Outside of that, I try to be a positive influence on my friends and family.

This is my idea of how to go about 'saving the world' in a realistic way. Few of us are in positions to accomplish much more as individuals, but I harbor the hope that one day our collective efforts might coalesce into something resembling a coherent cultural paradigm strong enough to challenge the existing norms and institutions.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Iron on April 08, 2012, 11:11:37 PM
LAWL NO EGO DRIVEN CONDESCENSION HERE GUYZ.

^^^ That's what happens when you're 'on the spectrum'.
AHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: diesel on April 09, 2012, 02:07:10 AM
The anatomy of a mall shooting close to Spectrum's residence is playing out in vivid color for us fine folks at ANUS.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: diesel on April 09, 2012, 02:11:32 AM
these shooters have a certain look about them.

(http://www.russiablog.org/breivik-norway-terrorist-attacks.jpg)

LOOK AT THE EYES...

and not that I'm saying that Cho is really in the same category because he is just autistic, but again....

(http://www.newscientist.com/data/images/ns/cms/dn16793/dn16793-1_300.jpg)

Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Mixcoatl on April 09, 2012, 02:36:26 AM
Killing traitor children for a pro-zionist agenda, very productive
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Conservationist on April 09, 2012, 04:32:57 AM
Most of you haven't figure out you must go offline to fix the broken.

We have heard this so many times.

Breivik started with three years of internet research and activism, which is why one of the Amerika.org articles ended up in his manifesto.

The point is not online/offline, which is a bullshit dichotomy.

The point is do something other than post to forums and pose in chat.

With that in mind, I really like this topic.

Also please stop with the fake ANUS/non-ANUS dichotomy. That also has been played to death. (You are literally two decades too late; that's how long the "you have to go offline!!!1!" and "ANUS is sucks!!!1!" pidgin has been floating around.)

We might also mention that there are types of activism other than the type Breivik picked...

For example, go join your local Republican party and start pushing everything you touch closer toward a higher idea.

If even one Republican organizer made it on the news wearing a Summoning or Graveland t-shirt, or talking about Tolkien and medievalism, or mentioning Guenon and Nietzsche, stuff would start heating up.

Right now, that's an impossibility.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Demigod on April 09, 2012, 06:20:15 AM
How in anyway is killing 100 people moving towards a greater good?
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Spectrum on April 09, 2012, 08:13:14 AM

We have heard this so many times.

For good reason. Other than the topics I started regarding this subject in the past, I, and your earlier criticizers, see very little discussion concerning real life strategies. Should we just assume you do more without any evidence thereof? Of course not. We can only see what is happening before us, and I see a lot of metaphysics babble while the world is turning shit all around us. You like to mention how old ANUS is. How many more "decades" is it going to take before ANUS members begin walking the talk?


Breivik started with three years of internet research and activism, which is why one of the Amerika.org articles ended up in his manifesto.

The point is not online/offline, which is a bullshit dichotomy.

It is a bullshit dichotomy, which is why I agreed, in my initial post, that the online portion and understanding our time is important. I don't know why you bring this up when I never implied or said we should act without a plan.

(You are literally two decades too late; that's how long the "you have to go offline!!!1!" and "ANUS is sucks!!!1!" pidgin has been floating around.)


If you recall, NHA decided to resort to ad hominems. I came here to pose a serious question.  No need to point out something I never did. I'm not mad; I'm merely trying to understand. I'm not sure if you are projecting your own emotions with those exclamation marks or not, but it really does not contribute anything to this discussion.



We might also mention that there are types of activism other than the type Breivik picked...

For example, go join your local Republican party and start pushing everything you touch closer toward a higher idea.

If even one Republican organizer made it on the news wearing a Summoning or Graveland t-shirt, or talking about Tolkien and medievalism, or mentioning Guenon and Nietzsche, stuff would start heating up.

Right now, that's an impossibility.

I agree with the underlined portion, but not the rest. Ron Paul (who is not ideal, I know, but he is miles ahead of the rest) tried this, and he was and has been blotted out by the media for disagreeing with the Republican's war-mongering, all-consuming globalist agenda. Presidency is not the only option, I know, and it is actually less practical. However, even if you became a lower-tier politician, you wouldn't get face time. The media determines who gets their word out and who doesn't when joining one of those two parties. Others, before Ron Paul ran for President, infiltrated the Republicans (a couple of anarcho-capitalists, for instance), and they are not the ones allowed face time.

What good is having one guy who rarely gets in his word when ten other guys with long-standing media support can shout over him? The people do not listen to what is right, they listen to what they are told the most. They listen to constants.

How in anyway is killing 100 people moving towards a greater good?

1) Less multiculturalist traitors.
2) Less worthless people.
3) Less people on an overpopulated Earth in general.

You guys can laugh at me and say I'll shoot up my workplace, but the fact is that if more multiculturalist, guilt-ridden traitors were shot to death, our Western nations would be cleaner. Breivik had a right to be mad. He was witnessing his own heritage being torn apart by his countrymen. Who wouldn't be mad about that? Disagreeing with his tactics is fine, but at least back it up with some action of your own. Typing away at your keyboard about how you are morally superior to the herd and opposition to the herd is just silly and unbelievable when you have no apparent plan to actually fix the West yourself.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Spectrum on April 09, 2012, 08:24:42 AM
The Utřya Youth Camp had campers ranging from the ages of 14 to 25 (how many ANUS members are that age?). At least get your facts straight, guys.

Many of those "kids" already made up their minds. If you would like to claim otherwise, then you could say the same about many ANUS members/visitors.

Killing traitor children for a pro-zionist agenda, very productive

You guys support Zionism, remember? Amerika.org, Brett Stevens, and several other members voice support for Israel, Zionism, etc. at the expense of peace with China, Russia, and Iran. If you are against Zionism, you need to find another club like Iron March.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: NHA on April 09, 2012, 09:07:43 AM
2 people are born per second. Good luck depopulating the world with your 100 person killing spree.

How do you define a useful person? Utility needs a context. Pretty much every person I've seen today seemed expendable - including everyone in this thread.


Everything you've said leads me to believe that you think emotionally and not logically. You're mad the west is killing itself, mad that you and your ideas are marginalized, and mad that you have no power to stop it. So the only thing you can come up with is: hay lets pump a few rounds into some random assholes and hope for the best. Sounds fun, but lets not pretend its anything other than what it is.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Spectrum on April 09, 2012, 09:15:07 AM


Everything you've said leads me to believe that you think emotionally and not logically. You're mad the west is killing itself, mad that you and your ideas are marginalized, and mad that you have no power to stop it. So the only thing you can come up with is: hay lets pump a few rounds into some random assholes and hope for the best. Sounds fun, but lets not pretend its anything other than what it is.

So what is your plan to fix things? If you are not going to do so, then why do you discuss these sorts of things on an online forum and read someone else critiquing society in the first place? Do you just do it for your own amusement? Do you need a social circle?

You're mad

If you recall, NHA decided to resort to ad hominems. I came here to pose a serious question.  No need to point out something I never did. I'm not mad; I'm merely trying to understand. I'm not sure if you are projecting your own emotions with those exclamation marks or not, but it really does not contribute anything to this discussion.


Can you read it now? I put it in special, large font just for you.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Cargést on April 09, 2012, 09:27:32 AM
If we all followed Spectrum's advice, the members of this forum could kill 8,666,100 people, operating as lone wolves.  Combining our strengths, that number might double, triple, or quadruple, depending on a number of factors.  This isn't actually all too bad an idea, except that the vast majority of the users here aren't fanatics (regardless of whether they visit the site anymore, haha!), and don't have the drive and balls required to put such a plan into action.

If we all decided to drop our lives, right now, and form some paramilitary organisation in a suitable location, bringing as many interested friends/family members as possible, we could cause a massive stir, even if we were all wiped out.  Our sacrifice might even bring about the beginnings of CHANGE.

I would do this, except that I know that most of you are intelligent people who have devised your own plans to subtly alter the course of this civilisation, and that's probably fine.

Spectrum, most of the regular users of this forum are doing things.  You don't know about it because our forum lives/personas are generally quite removed from our real lives/personas (not so much in my case, but certainly in the cases of many).
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: NHA on April 09, 2012, 09:32:01 AM
"100% metal forum death metal and black metal"

Also i'm probably being too much of a prick haha. Sorry.


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So what is your plan to fix things?

If i had an interesting plan i'd be sure to share it. Political conditions just don't seem right for anything interesting to happen right now. Things haven't got bad enough in the west yet for any real paradigm shift to be forced. Most of my neighbors in the US, family in europe, friends etc all feel the same way abut the retarded immigration policies. So its not like there isn't large resentment building towards it.

That comment about the beerhall putsch was directly related to this. Look at the conditions of Germany at the time, the amount of people involved in the incident, and the mixed results it produced. He thought he could imitate what Mussolini pulled off in Rome but the context wasn't the same. He got a second chance due to his lenient sentencing and decided to do things strictly legal. If anyone got convicted for treason like that in the US today theyd probably be executed.

Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: lafindumonde on April 09, 2012, 10:26:38 AM
I think a healthy view precludes violent video game fantasies. These are primarily the realm of young people who are immature and feel helpless, with a good pinch of suicidal tendencies.

What is both more constructive and an actual challenge?

1) Bludgeoning some people, or
2) Raising a healthy family

How about
1) ...
2) Growing a garden

Or maybe
1) ...
2) Becoming a community leader

I tend to think the 2 is both more difficult and constructive. I think 1 is foolishly advocated by those looking for an "easy solution" to their problems - like looking to McDonalds for a healthy meal. You wont find it there.

"It is better to act than talk" - False. Flawed action leads to evil. Evil does more harm than inaction. Further exploring personal development and spreading healthy ideas > evil.



At least Crow encouraged thought and brought the possibility of spiritual development. This was an interesting break from the repetitive and impotent "stuff sucks, get rid of stupid people" posts. Even the 99% OWS agree that "stuff sucks dude" and "stupid people suck."
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Spectrum on April 09, 2012, 11:10:00 AM

... people who have devised your own plans to subtly alter the course of this civilisation, and that's probably fine.

Spectrum, most of the regular users of this forum are doing things


2) Raising a healthy family

2) Growing a garden

2) Becoming a community leader


I don't see it.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: lafindumonde on April 09, 2012, 11:29:23 AM
I'm assuming most people don't do too much.

Despite the general opinion here, many people probably still play a lot of video games and watch a lot of TV. Or otherwise waste time. It is as it is, but hopefully they will start families and attempt to build a decent community for their children.

I believe the current system will collapse under its own burden. The fiscal policy alone is impossible to maintain much longer. Society can only support so much parasitic behavior. At a minimum, wages will be reset comparable to the Chinese industrial worker. The entitlements will eventually dissolve, perhaps not in numerical values, but for certain lose all real value. The middle class that supports these burdens will be unable to continue doing so.

Regardless, my understanding though is that anything introduced will be flawed without a comprehensive ideological and spiritual core. Maybe "tradition" is the answer.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Von List on April 09, 2012, 11:42:41 AM
Where the ones he shot traitors? Yes.



Did Anders do nothing but make people even more suspicious of the right through his stupidity? You bet.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Everdarkgreen on April 09, 2012, 12:11:42 PM
Anders is a false hero. It is much more difficult and rewarding to create rather rather than to destroy. To lead rather than to follow the path of disdain that have led many astray. To call upon self-discipline then becomes the most noble and moral way to act.

The current order will destroy itself from within whether we employ our individual or combined influences in either case, so we should focus on creating order within our selves and then applying that as best we can to the world at large in a local setting. It's a generalized view, but it is honest, noble and recognizes our personal insignificance so as to not allow us to become embittered from powerlessness (which leads to self-destruction). If we had any easy plan which translated into absolute ways each and every one of us could apply in order to impart the momentum for change in our external world, it would have been recognized and implemented by now. But the nature of a complex and intertwined world means we continue to discuss theories, methods and from that intuit a vague framework for practical application. So the most we can ask of ourselves is to be honest and reverent for the truth and create something good and stable like families and a network of people who can support your goals.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: analrapist on April 09, 2012, 12:12:45 PM
Most people waste their own time and have nothing to show for their lives. They fail at life and also fail at "Walk." That's not unique to this place. No one really knows what to do about how fucked up our world has become. I think people should just volunteer with a good organization, raise a good family, have a good career, recycle...
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Spectrum on April 09, 2012, 12:30:23 PM
The current order will destroy itself from within whether we employ our individual or combined influences in either case, so we should focus on creating order within our selves and then applying that as best we can to the world at large in a local setting. It's a generalized view, but it is honest, noble and recognizes our personal insignificance so as to not allow us to become embittered from powerlessness (which leads to self-destruction).

I liked your whole post for the most part, but this part was especially shrewd.

Most people waste their own time and have nothing to show for their lives. They fail at life and also fail at "Walk." That's not unique to this place. No one really knows what to do about how fucked up our world has become. I think people should just volunteer with a good organization, raise a good family, have a good career, recycle...

Exactly. Either do something about it, admit critiquing society was for personal satisfaction/amusement, or shut up and live a good life.

Did Anders do nothing but make people even more suspicious of the right through his stupidity? You bet.

Oh right, because people look at conservative websites like ANUS and Amerika.org as good alternatives to our current political orientation. They totally want their right to vote stripped from them, less women in the work force, eugenics applied, and flat tax rates...

You weren't convincing "people" (by this, I assume you mean the typical Westerner) then, and you are not now. Any organization centering around nationalism, if applied to Whites (whether or not it is also applied to other ethnic groups too, as is in the case of pan-nationalism), is automatically demonized and publicly defamed the minute any sizable portion of the population catches wind of it. There is too much white guilt running amok for true conservatism to be considered by even 10% of the population. As is in the US's case, unless a bunch of rightist leaders simultaneously use subterfuge to hijack Congress, you have to convince 50% > of the voting population.

I wouldn't take the route Breivik took, but let's all get something straight: He did what he did, partly because he was alone. The Western population is so bent out of shape psychologically, that they are destroying their own cultures, all the while absorbing everything the media plays through passive osmosis. People like us are alone. We can create little groups both offline and online, but then we would labelled "fanatics". So long as we keep to ourselves and take the demonization up the ass, "people" do not have a problem with us.

Perhaps, Norway created Breivik. Surely, one cannot expect to slowly dismantle a nation's identity and not expect a few people to get mad. If a few people are enraged, one of them is bound to strike.

I'm not so much praising Breivik as I am using him to make a point: Very few people act, even among those who are "awake". Bloviation, however, is not rare, nor is it useful for bringing theory into the realm of reality.

Now, if most of you are chatting about our failing modern world for your own amusement, then I am fine with that. I would just like to see more admit it.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: crow on April 09, 2012, 12:32:53 PM
What is not generally understood, is that to create a good society, it is first necessary to create a good self.
To save the planet, first one must save oneself.
To help someone, one must first be able to help oneself.
Etc.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Spectrum on April 09, 2012, 12:35:43 PM
What is not generally understood, is that to create a good society, it is first necessary to create a good self.
To save the planet, first one must save oneself.
To help someone, one must first be able to help oneself.
Etc.


It looks like our worldview is pretty much established. Bettering the self happens all throughout a lifetime. If we were to follow your advice, we would be six feet under without having brought our dreams into fruition.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: crow on April 09, 2012, 12:44:19 PM
It's not advice. It's a viewpoint.
Most people around here seem to think a life is about ridiculing everybody else, but doing nothing about oneself.
What does it serve, to prattle on about what everybody else 'should' be doing?
How will that create anything better?
I remind people who may have forgotten, of what they always knew, at some point.
Crows do that. If only to remind people how irritating crows can be.
Mosquitoes fulfil much the same function.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: lafindumonde on April 09, 2012, 01:28:07 PM
Is this the kind of stupid violence you're advocating?

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/04/08/New-Black-Panthers-Call-For-Race-War-Blood-Shed-Kill-Crackers-For-Trayvon-April-9th-Day-of-Action
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Spectrum on April 09, 2012, 02:09:14 PM
Is this the kind of stupid violence you're advocating?

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/04/08/New-Black-Panthers-Call-For-Race-War-Blood-Shed-Kill-Crackers-For-Trayvon-April-9th-Day-of-Action

No. I'm not going to waste time addressing a strawman.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Wolfgang on April 09, 2012, 03:05:16 PM
Where did the comment from the lafindumonde dude who said I was right when I said supposedly said spectrum was a jerk go?

Tisk tisk, no half steppin'. Gonna invoke my name, stick with it. Spec may or may not be a jerk, but lemonaide is definitely a pussy.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Conservationist on April 09, 2012, 03:36:27 PM
What is not generally understood, is that to create a good society, it is first necessary to create a good self.
To save the planet, first one must save oneself.
To help someone, one must first be able to help oneself.

Let me translate this:

If you're insane, your insanity will follow you and infect whatever you do. It's like having AIDS or a virus on your computer: you spread the disease. Remember the parable of the Tar Baby? The more you lash out, the more you get lashed in.

The only path around this is to achieve mental clarity.

You will have to do this simultaneously with being effective. Until you know what you're doing, it's best you dedicate your time to those who do.

Not surprisingly, this is the medieval apprentice/journeyman schema in a new form.

If you believe in what this site does, volunteer for it. You will learn as much as you give.

Anything else is blather. All the people talking about "real world activism" have gone away and done anything but activism. No exceptions.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Conservationist on April 09, 2012, 05:52:08 PM
Other than the topics I started regarding this subject in the past, I, and your earlier criticizers, see very little discussion concerning real life strategies. Should we just assume you do more without any evidence thereof? Of course not. We can only see what is happening before us, and I see a lot of metaphysics babble while the world is turning shit all around us. You like to mention how old ANUS is. How many more "decades" is it going to take before ANUS members begin walking the talk?

Let me get this straight:

You discount everything ANUS has done.

You exhort us to violence, and suggest we talk about it here.

You have no idea what you want to see, but want us to do it.

You don't know the early ANUS critics, nor could you. You're all the same because you have one thing in common: you want to tear us down with what you think is an all-powerful insult ("you do nuthin'!!1!!!11!") so that you feel better about yourself.

It's just like calling people racist.

Ron Paul (who is not ideal, I know, but he is miles ahead of the rest) tried this, and he was and has been blotted out by the media for disagreeing with the Republican's war-mongering, all-consuming globalist agenda.

I can't live in such a one-dimensional world as you seem to live in.

The Republican agenda is not one thing; it's an aggregate of what went before and didn't fail. (You've seen this theory elsewhere.)

Ron Paul's agenda is retarded insane. USA stepping down as a superpower is an invitation for the Russians to invade and destroy Europe, and China to occupy all of Asia and Africa.

That is why Ron Paul is not getting elected.

There is a media "conspiracy" which is more tacit than anything else, but Ron Paul has not united the Republican base.

They fear his irresponsible, unrealistic and disaster-prone foreign policy.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Wolfgang on April 09, 2012, 06:11:26 PM
I don't know that Ron Paul's policy would lead to an evil Chinese invasion as much as just an end to Zionism.

Do you like being Israel's lap dog?

Do you like the constitution?
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: analrapist on April 10, 2012, 06:02:04 AM
This is so typical human, scream at each other for not doing something, what is the right thing to do? No one agrees, that 's why no one is doing anything. There is no walk, there is only talk, because there is no walk to walk.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Spectrum on April 10, 2012, 06:16:39 AM

You discount everything ANUS has done.


No, I don't. I only came here to ask a question, and nearly everyone decided to get defensive instead of discussing rationally. This includes you, with your immature usage of exclamation marks and strawman arguments.


Ron Paul's agenda is retarded insane. USA stepping down as a superpower is an invitation for the Russians to invade and destroy Europe, and China to occupy all of Asia and Africa.

That is why Ron Paul is not getting elected.

There is a media "conspiracy" which is more tacit than anything else, but Ron Paul has not united the Republican base.

They fear his irresponsible, unrealistic and disaster-prone foreign policy.

Back up the claim that the Russians want to destroy Europe. Again, back up the claim regarding China. I only see two nations trying to improve themselves. If you know of information I do not, please share. I am all ears.

Although he is too isolationist for my tastes, I agree with him on Israel.  Just leave them alone. The Jews are smart, so they can figure things out themselves. Jews usually do not support European/White interests anyway. Ideologically, them being our best friend does not help us at all. The tax money we throw at them could be better used for Americans. It's the same with a lot of foreign aid. Additionally, he's right about us bringing 9/11 upon ourselves, and we certainly have not learned our lesson. Supporting the the desecration of Libya was a disgusting act, and we should be ashamed. The "Republican base" supports such things.

This is so typical human, scream at each other for not doing something, what is the right thing to do? No one agrees, that 's why no one is doing anything. There is no walk, there is only talk, because there is no walk to walk.

Good theory, but I disagree. If one of us were to act out, the rest would disagree. We don't agree when we talk, so we won't agree when we walk. Hell, I made this topic to understand, and I am still not getting answers.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Wolfgang on April 10, 2012, 06:50:39 AM
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Back up the claim that the Russians want to destroy Europe. Again, back up the claim regarding China. I only see two nations trying to improve themselves. If you know of information I do not, please share. I am all ears.

Although he is too isolationist for my tastes, I agree with him on Israel.  Just leave them alone. The Jews are smart, so they can figure things out themselves. Jews usually do not support European/White interests anyway. Ideologically, them being our best friend does not help us at all. The tax money we throw at them could be better used for Americans. It's the same with a lot of foreign aid. Additionally, he's right about us bringing 9/11 upon ourselves, and we certainly have not learned our lesson. Supporting the the desecration of Libya was a disgusting act, and we should be ashamed. The "Republican base" supports such things.

Exactly.

The Republicans would have us in a perennial state of war to resurrect Jesus via protecting Israel, a country who controls everything about pop culture and liberalism and seeks to destroy our identity in order to protect this alliance. The conservatism that we're seeing supported here is part of that, and is nothing more. It is a fiction. It is nothing like what ANUS.com was about when I discovered this place.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Spectrum on April 10, 2012, 07:47:33 AM
It is a fiction. It is nothing like what ANUS.com was about when I discovered this place.

Here is your explanation:

Quote from: prozak
I think our political activism needs to shift toward something acceptable to mainstream white people, and appeal less to marginalized folks (many of whom will become non-marginalized when change occurs).
source: http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=280329&postcount=26 (http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=280329&postcount=26)


That would explain statements like this: http://www.deathmetal.org/forum/index.php/topic,15786.msg73986.html#msg73986 (http://www.deathmetal.org/forum/index.php/topic,15786.msg73986.html#msg73986)

I don't follow American politics particularly closely, but my favorite candidate was the black guy.  He seems to have disappeared since those sexual harassment allegations though.

Cain was a decent option, probably like a more aggressive Romney.



This is strange, because early ANUS articles denounced both parties.

Also, I have a video for you Herman Cain fans: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFa6bz9jpEo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFa6bz9jpEo)

He can't even answer a question without freaking out. Additionally, he has the same message as the other Neo-cons, except for that ridiculous 9-9-9 plan of his. I can understand compromising, but supporting a full-blown, Fox News-supported, Neo-con whose inception was brought on by the need to counter the Democrat's superior sense of diversity lacks any sense whatsoever, in that nearly all of our values have been compromised by doing so. The Republican party supports diversity, feminism, war-mongering, and it is anti-European to boot. Watch more Fox News, guys.

The ANUS-sphere has a lot of good people, and I don't want to see them poison themselves by simply confusing compromise with ideological suicide. Such a thing would be tragically ironic and petty, similarly to how Ted Kaczynski was caught because his loving brother, David Kaczynski, who barely recognized his writing style while the big bad FBI couldn't touch him.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Wolfgang on April 10, 2012, 08:29:36 AM
Spectrum lettin' niggaz know.

I don't see why the ideas people like Spec and myself are floating are not entertained. We want to be more palatable to whites and the mainstream, yet we're advocating genocide and eugenicide while simultaneously pumping dickshit Republicanism?

The current compromise is :

1. Genocide. Alienates everyone.
2. Bible values. Alienates anyone who isn't a Christian.
3. Murdering everyone in everyone's family who scores below 120 on some subjective ridiculous standardized test. Alienates everyone.
4. Gay bashing. Alienates gays, and anyone sympathetic to gays, or anyone with a gay family member.
5. Anti-women thought to appeal only to angry conservative men who sympathize with Rush's "whore" comments. Alienates women entirely outside of those already well within a conservative social sphere.

Injecting stupid and bizarre fairytale notions of genocide and repression into an already fucked up system will get us know where. We can't dress up imaginary nonsense like woodchipping all the dummies with republicanism and call that a compromise.

Someone else elaborate on the alternative theories to this idea.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Cargést on April 10, 2012, 09:22:04 AM
1. Genocide. Alienates everyone.
2. Bible values. Alienates anyone who isn't a Christian.
3. Murdering everyone in everyone's family who scores below 120 on some subjective ridiculous standardized test. Alienates everyone.
4. Gay bashing. Alienates gays, and anyone sympathetic to gays, or anyone with a gay family member.
5. Anti-women thought to appeal only to angry conservative men who sympathize with Rush's "whore" comments. Alienates women entirely outside of those already well within a conservative social sphere.

1.  Where is this written?  Who supports this?
2.  Again, who supports this?
3.  Ever heard of "progression"?  Eugenics, my friend, not 1.
4.  It's a forum, dude.  Chill out.
5.  ... What?

Stop extrapolating.  God fucking damn, this entire forum seems to have gone to shit ever since people didn't get crow.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Wolfgang on April 10, 2012, 10:05:44 AM
1. Genocide. Alienates everyone.
2. Bible values. Alienates anyone who isn't a Christian.
3. Murdering everyone in everyone's family who scores below 120 on some subjective ridiculous standardized test. Alienates everyone.
4. Gay bashing. Alienates gays, and anyone sympathetic to gays, or anyone with a gay family member.
5. Anti-women thought to appeal only to angry conservative men who sympathize with Rush's "whore" comments. Alienates women entirely outside of those already well within a conservative social sphere.

1.  Where is this written?  Who supports this?
2.  Again, who supports this?
3.  Ever heard of "progression"?  Eugenics, my friend, not 1.
4.  It's a forum, dude.  Chill out.
5.  ... What?

Stop extrapolating.  God fucking damn, this entire forum seems to have gone to shit ever since people didn't get crow.

Cargest, I am only basing everything directly off conserv and crows writings of late on the forum.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: crow on April 10, 2012, 10:09:40 AM
WTF?
None of this has anything to do with me.
If it does, what does that say about you?
'You' being the second-person-plural.


Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Queequeg on April 10, 2012, 10:19:06 AM
Why is everyone so literal? Kill off the >120s =/= genocide.

It is a strawman meme for applied eugenics. You could apply it as direct murder of the affected groups, or you could think and realize it makes more sense to achieve that goal through a selective breeding program that didn't allow those of subpar genetics/intelligence/character to have 8 children, 40 grandchildren, and 200 great grandchildren.

As for biblical values... Conservative/Traditional values that happen to share an overlap with traditional values held by SOME Christians doesn't make them inherently Christian.

Gay bashing? Where did you pull that from? You can state that you would prefer to not have gays parading their sexuality in the street and forcing into everyone else's lives and still think they are decent people.

I'm assuming your anti-women sentiment came from something crow said, to which I'd suggest to bring it up directly with him, because I'm certain you misunderstood him.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: crow on April 10, 2012, 10:22:41 AM
Hehe :) You are right.

Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: analrapist on April 10, 2012, 10:55:17 AM
I don't see why the ideas people like Spec and myself are floating are not entertained.

Because we can get those at other websites. You're like a pro-white Anderson Cooper, I get it. But I don't care.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Spectrum on April 10, 2012, 04:08:03 PM
You plan on convincing so many people with blogging, handing out fliers, speaking at colleges, posting on Youtube, and selling merchandise?

Your post is good, but I see a major problem: The people are convinced, by their families and the media, that they are already on the path of enlightenment. They are like this before they approach your mediums. As a result, they will decry anything you write or say. You can only convince a minute percentage.

If you going to take that approach, you are better off setting up a network all over the US. Then, get your candidates into office by using subterfuge (pose as a Christian Democrat or Republican). Afterwards, come out of the closet, then ram bills down people's throats. And if anyone complains and threatens to remove you, restoring the old order, simply pump bullets into all the useless shits already in office and take it over. Let's see the Federal Government recover after one of its branches is compromised. The system is only used to having weak, soulless politicians in office, not Hessian warriors.

However, you cannot convince the masses with such tactics. Additionally, you cannot secede, because the Fed won't allow it. Someone is trying in California, and others tried beforehand, but the Fed, along with the media blackmail, stomps on such actions, whether legal or not. I mean, all they have to do is hold off the secession until the people lose interest...

I am afraid being nice about this whole thing is out of the question. I am not asking you to shoot some proles (though I would find that entertaining), but things like subterfuge are necessary. We live in a dark time where the insane think they are sane. Being an honorable, intelligent idealist will get you killed (figuratively).

 
 
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Wolfgang on April 10, 2012, 05:14:06 PM
You plan on convincing so many people with blogging, handing out fliers, speaking at colleges, posting on Youtube, and selling merchandise?

Your post is good, but I see a major problem: The people are convinced, by their families and the media, that they are already on the path of enlightenment. They are like this before they approach your mediums. As a result, they will decry anything you write or say. You can only convince a minute percentage.

If you going to take that approach, you are better off setting up a network all over the US. Then, get your candidates into office by using subterfuge (pose as a Christian Democrat or Republican). Afterwards, come out of the closet, then ram bills down people's throats. And if anyone complains and threatens to remove you, restoring the old order, simply pump bullets into all the useless shits already in office and take it over. Let's see the Federal Government recover after one of its branches is compromised. The system is only used to having weak, soulless politicians in office, not Hessian warriors.

However, you cannot convince the masses with such tactics. Additionally, you cannot secede, because the Fed won't allow it. Someone is trying in California, and others tried beforehand, but the Fed, along with the media blackmail, stomps on such actions, whether legal or not. I mean, all they have to do is hold off the secession until the people lose interest...

I am afraid being nice about this whole thing is out of the question. I am not asking you to shoot some proles (though I would find that entertaining), but things like subterfuge are necessary. We live in a dark time where the insane think they are sane. Being an honorable, intelligent idealist will get you killed (figuratively).


I think he has good ideas. One on one conversation is the best way you can change minds. In the last few weeks I have "converted" numerous people into being aware of the Zionist plot as it relates to cultural decay. Ron Paul websites are where it's at nillas.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: lafindumonde on April 10, 2012, 05:15:58 PM
I think he has good ideas. One on one conversation is the best way you can change minds. In the last few weeks I have "converted" numerous people into being aware of the Zionist plot as it relates to cultural decay. Ron Paul websites are where it's at nillas.

Why was my thread about Wolfgang deleted? Here he even admits his anti-semitism.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: crow on April 10, 2012, 05:20:12 PM
For the same reason the 'crow' thread, was, presumably.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Wolfgang on April 10, 2012, 05:43:10 PM
I think he has good ideas. One on one conversation is the best way you can change minds. In the last few weeks I have "converted" numerous people into being aware of the Zionist plot as it relates to cultural decay. Ron Paul websites are where it's at nillas.

Why was my thread about Wolfgang deleted? Here he even admits his anti-semitism.

It was deleted because it made you, and by extension the site, look weak. I suspect you may not be trolling with the anti-Semite comment. If not, you do not belong here.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: crow on April 10, 2012, 05:49:57 PM
You started the crow thread, not me.
You made it to make me 'look weak'.
How'd that work out for you?
Perhaps the angels of doom are creeping up on you, Wolfie.
They're probably not especially keen on jew-genociders.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: crow on April 10, 2012, 05:59:41 PM
Ah well. Glad we cleared that up.
Now only the angels remain...
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Spectrum on April 10, 2012, 10:13:28 PM


I think he has good ideas. One on one conversation is the best way you can change minds. In the last few weeks I have "converted" numerous people into being aware of the Zionist plot as it relates to cultural decay. Ron Paul websites are where it's at nillas.

I like his ideas too, but I think we can take a slightly different direction, as I typed up.

Ron Paul websites are probably a good place to start. He unified a lot of people who have different ideologies. I often find competent individuals share a lot of common political beliefs, but semantics and ego get in the way of progress.

Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Wolfgang on April 10, 2012, 10:15:13 PM
I think he has good ideas. One on one conversation is the best way you can change minds. In the last few weeks I have "converted" numerous people into being aware of the Zionist plot as it relates to cultural decay. Ron Paul websites are where it's at nillas.
Why is it the Zionist's fault our culture is in decline?

Most of the sweeping damaging changes have happened since the end of what war now? What was one of the major sticking points in that war?

They control or have significant influence in the following : the music industry, Hollywood, the TV industry, the news media, vast components of the financial sector, much of academia, evangelical Christianity, modern conservatism and liberalism. 

What else is wrong with society today if not these things.

It is as plain as the nose on their faces. ZING.
So all the rich, powerful Jews in the country form a secret cabal that seeks to stupefy us with propaganda and and push a pro-Israel agenda?

You actually think the crappy movies/tv/music/academic literature they make/promote are actually designed to make us degenerate? Like, they're not just stupid because that's what the public wants, but there's a specific ill-will involved?

This whole thing sounds like an escape to me.  A fantasy.

The public is told what to want, and is easily controlled. Bread and games.

White guilt is used against us, to make us hate ourselves.  Their reign was almost squelched out forever by the Nazis. "Never again". Too much of a risk.

Maybe if we supported them militarily by creating a state for them, and turned a blind eye to war crimes and genocide or something, then it would be a little more obvious...

It isn't ill will in the way you're framing it, as much as it is them simply trying to survive. Again, Nazis, at worst - total annihilation from history - or at least - settlement in Madagascar.

It is a purposeful disintegration of any semblance of a national identity beyond what is immediately malleable like "freedom"(which is really buzzword for consumerism - notice they've destroyed the constitution and true freedom with anti-Arab fear mongering?)

Those who do have an affinity to a notion of a white American identity, they think these people are God's chosen ones. Liberal whites hate themselves and reject the idea of a white people at all, and are taught to believe questioning or challenging Jewish authority is akin to the holocaust/slavery/genocide of natives. The master race, hides behind their status as a "minority".
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: crow on April 10, 2012, 10:22:54 PM
All things considered, I would advocate handing the whole mess over to the Jews, and petitioning them to run it properly.
They are proven more intelligent than anyone else, and in addition, there is something I have noticed, that never gets reported on or researched:
They actually use that intelligence in an intelligent way.
Now that's a rare thing.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Spectrum on April 10, 2012, 10:23:03 PM
The master race, hides behind their status as a "minority".

There is a lot of truth to this. Jews use their status as victims, minorities, and God's chosen people for gain. More of them, like Norman Finkelstein, should speak out against this manipulative and cowardly behavior. However, people like him get banned from Israel. It's funny how that works.

Does this make Jews evil? No. It's just that certain Jews are doing despicable things, just as certain Whites are doing despicable things. Both ethnic groups need to clean up their mess and tear down the false idols and corrupt leadership. As for Jews being some kind of "master race", please... they have their own issues. They are not special.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Wolfgang on April 10, 2012, 10:27:51 PM
The master race, hides behind their status as a "minority".
As for Jews being some kind of "master race", please... they have their own issues. They are not special.

That is kind of a tongue in cheek joke pointing out the irony of who won WWII, but currently, they are the masters no?

That would, by definition, make them the master race. From one perspective. We could look at who's back they did all this labor, and point to that being the master race, or we could point to boxing and NFL stats and point out that master race.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Conservationist on April 11, 2012, 05:34:58 AM
Anti-Semitism is the worst kind of religious thinking.

Talk about a false dichotomy.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Cargést on April 11, 2012, 05:54:34 AM
The public is told what to want, and is easily controlled. Bread and games.

The public wants to be given something to want - this is a far more important fact.  You can't ignore the nature of large groups of humans: generally, they're fucking dumb, and individuals will take advantage of that (hence the possibility of revolution).

I'm not certain about this whole ZOG thing, and so will suspend judgment.  As far as I can see it, Israel was Britain's biggest mistake; the Holocaust has been blown massively out of proportion to the advantage of one specific group, instead of to that of all groups (supposedly?) involved; American enterprises (including politics, media, industry, etc.) have some innately anti-European people in high positions.

However, I don't think that these people collaborate to the degree which you suggest, Wolfgang.  Certainly, there are groups with Zionist agendas in America, and some of those groups contain high-profile Jews from the aforementioned enterprises.  Despite this fact, we must recognise that the nature of the Jew-in-exile is to be self-serving: these people, while they might hold Israel's interests at heart from sentimental/vaguely religious perspectives, are, ultimately, in it for the money.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Wolfgang on April 11, 2012, 06:50:16 AM
The public is told what to want, and is easily controlled. Bread and games.

The public wants to be given something to want - this is a far more important fact.  You can't ignore the nature of large groups of humans: generally, they're fucking dumb, and individuals will take advantage of that (hence the possibility of revolution).

I'm not certain about this whole ZOG thing, and so will suspend judgment.  As far as I can see it, Israel was Britain's biggest mistake; the Holocaust has been blown massively out of proportion to the advantage of one specific group, instead of to that of all groups (supposedly?) involved; American enterprises (including politics, media, industry, etc.) have some innately anti-European people in high positions.

However, I don't think that these people collaborate to the degree which you suggest, Wolfgang.  Certainly, there are groups with Zionist agendas in America, and some of those groups contain high-profile Jews from the aforementioned enterprises.  Despite this fact, we must recognise that the nature of the Jew-in-exile is to be self-serving: these people, while they might hold Israel's interests at heart from sentimental/vaguely religious perspectives, are, ultimately, in it for the money.

My great grandmother and I discussed these issues at length. She remembered witnessing first hand in New Orleans during the Depression when she worked in a grocery store owned by a Jewish man and the favorable deals he would cut other Jews, and how Jewish suppliers would give him a break. She saw how they benefited at the expense of regular patrons.

These people survived for almost 2000 without a homeland. How?  Clearly money is involved, but let me ask you how much money can they make deposed?

Also, why again did the Holocaust happen? Hitler was coming after them for a god damn reason. Only liberals try and pretend Germany was scapegoating.
Title: Re: Walk > Talk
Post by: Eleison on April 11, 2012, 07:12:35 AM
So Jews are good with money and tend to favor their own people? 

...

Also Germany wasn't just going after Jews, and the reasons are well known.  These kind of statements sound convincing to extremely gullible people with over-active imaginations and that's about all.  If you are a supporter of dispassionate reasoning as you claim in your arguments against religion, direct some of that towards these issues.  Most of these conspiracy theories are like theatrical dramatizations of real life and rely on sentimental/symbolic 'evidence'.