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Title: Behave like neurotypicals
Post by: Necrosopher on May 06, 2012, 02:11:47 PM
Good.
Title: Behave like neurotypicals
Post by: Humanicide on May 06, 2012, 03:00:26 PM
Good.

Why you mad, bro? AS weren't as sensitive as Krallice? They didn't make your pants wet like Velvet Cocoon did?
Title: Behave like neurotypicals
Post by: Necrosopher on May 06, 2012, 03:41:38 PM
IF U DUN LIKE AVERSE SEFIRA GO BACK 2 UR SLIPKNOT!!!!!111

Idiot.
Title: Behave like neurotypicals
Post by: Humanicide on May 06, 2012, 03:54:30 PM
IF U DUN LIKE AVERSE SEFIRA GO BACK 2 UR SLIPKNOT!!!!!111

Idiot.

Never said that, you just took an implication that I didn't even make, and ran with it.

Good job! You get a gold star, just like the rest of your 50 classmates!
Title: Behave like neurotypicals
Post by: Nightspirit on May 06, 2012, 04:59:26 PM
If you don't like Averse Sefira, then go back to your Slipknot.
Title: Behave like neurotypicals
Post by: Necrosopher on May 07, 2012, 12:57:37 AM
Never said that

Sure, buddy. Then I guess in your mind there's also nothing "wrong" with listening to Krallice and Velvet Cacoon.
Title: Behave like neurotypicals
Post by: we hope you die on May 07, 2012, 06:22:19 AM
Never said that

Sure, buddy. Then I guess in your mind there's also nothing "wrong" with listening to Krallice and Velvet Cacoon.

You an idiot?
Title: Behave like neurotypicals
Post by: Humanicide on May 07, 2012, 07:17:34 AM
Never said that

Sure, buddy. Then I guess in your mind there's also nothing "wrong" with listening to Krallice and Velvet Cacoon.

There isn't, if you're looking at it objectively.

But we're not talking objectively, we're talking opinions here. My opinion is that those bands are shit and I don't usually trust someone's musical taste if I discover they like those bands or similar.
Title: Behave like neurotypicals
Post by: Umbrage on May 07, 2012, 12:33:45 PM
Never said that

Sure, buddy. Then I guess in your mind there's also nothing "wrong" with listening to Krallice and Velvet Cacoon.

You an idiot?


Never said that

Sure, buddy. Then I guess in your mind there's also nothing "wrong" with listening to Krallice and Velvet Cacoon.

There isn't, if you're looking at it objectively.

But we're not talking objectively, we're talking opinions here. My opinion is that those bands are shit and I don't usually trust someone's musical taste if I discover they like those bands or similar.

Click on username.
Click on 'Show the last posts of this person.'
Find out you are arguing with Dave.
hfw

(http://s16.postimage.org/xoq0rz1x1/dave.jpg)

Ignore that troll.
Title: Behave like neurotypicals
Post by: Humanicide on May 07, 2012, 04:12:17 PM
But I like wasting his time!
Title: Behave like neurotypicals
Post by: we hope you die on May 08, 2012, 03:17:04 AM
This is a special interest forum, if the website(s) didn't give that away for the past 30 some-odd  years. Trolololing your interests in styles that are diametrically opposed to neoclassically styled metal will get you nowhere. Of course I don't think anyone here is a mere dreg of the website, but one thing you don't see people doing [often] is pleading with others to change foundational principles that bind the community together in dialogue. It would be like me trying to sell the idea of IX Equilibrium to Scourge: ain't gonna happen.

A very nice summation of the phenomena.

One normally shows up every two months or so. You can spot what they're about within around two posts usually. I sometimes call them on their shit but it honestly depends on what mood I'm in. Even if you do challenge them they don't stick around too long.
Title: Behave like neurotypicals
Post by: Necrosopher on May 08, 2012, 10:50:35 AM
neoclassically styled metal
neoclassical

Oh lawdy. Stop abusing this term, because you clearly don't know what it actually means. "Neoclassical" describes a 20th century movement in classical music, not unisono ogre metal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoclassicism_%28music%29

Title: Behave like neurotypicals
Post by: Nightspirit on May 08, 2012, 02:45:18 PM
I used to say back in college, that when hippies have lost foundation for their argument, they attack your syntax.
Title: Behave like neurotypicals
Post by: Necrosopher on May 08, 2012, 04:31:40 PM
But that is attacking the crux of the matter. If you didn't think that GURR GORSH GURRSH chug chug was some elevated cool kids table music that is 100% derived from classical (http://www.deathmetal.org/forum/index.php/topic,2265.0.html) this forum wouldn't exist.
Title: Behave like neurotypicals
Post by: Humanicide on May 08, 2012, 04:45:54 PM
Note how he referred to it as Neoclassical STYLED, not specifically neoclassical. Jumped the gun there. Your trolling skills need work.
Title: Behave like neurotypicals
Post by: Necrosopher on May 08, 2012, 05:33:11 PM
How is it neoclassically styled?
Title: Behave like neurotypicals
Post by: Necrosopher on May 08, 2012, 06:07:23 PM
find an example of a band that doesn't echo neoclassicism, or hasn't a shred of classical orchestration and/or dynamic technique

How about, all of them? What the fuck are you smoking? Where do you get off on this shit being "neoclassical"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV-xnzbZ_ks

Title: Behave like neurotypicals
Post by: Necrosopher on May 08, 2012, 06:13:46 PM
"Neoclassicism is a trend in which composers sought to return to aesthetic precepts associated with the broadly defined concept of "classicism", namely order, balance, clarity, economy, and emotional restraint. As such, neoclassicism was a reaction against the unrestrained emotionalism and perceived formlessness of late romanticism, as well as a "call to order" after the experimental ferment of the first two decades of the twentieth century. Although in many ways neoclassical music returned to the forms and emotional restraint of eighteenth century music, works by these composers are nonetheless distinctly twentieth century."

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Neoclassical_Music

That should have been Ildjarn's biography.

Uhh... huh. Oooooh. I get it now.

(http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20100426.gif)
Title: Behave like neurotypicals
Post by: Humanicide on May 08, 2012, 07:48:30 PM
The least you could do when trying to prove your point is to link to a non-shitty webcomic.
Title: Behave like neurotypicals
Post by: Necrosopher on May 08, 2012, 11:05:37 PM
And the least you could do when talking about "neoclassical metal" is to actually refer to metal that is like classical music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCNGtAkwIYU#t=14m09s). Not some typical, musically illiterate double bass extravaganza for the kiddies to bang their heads to (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nNNemIwuAA#t=1m52s).

P.S. If you think there's a better webcomic than SMBC, let's see it.
Title: Behave like neurotypicals
Post by: we hope you die on May 09, 2012, 06:32:24 AM
And the least you could do when talking about "neoclassical metal" is to actually refer to metal that is like classical music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCNGtAkwIYU#t=14m09s). Not some typical, musically illiterate double bass extravaganza for the kiddies to bang their heads to (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nNNemIwuAA#t=1m52s).

P.S. If you think there's a better webcomic than SMBC, let's see it.


Actually choked on my tea when I saw what the first link in this post went to.

Seriously, you an idiot?

I think this is one of those occasions when you're just not arguing at the same level. 

Go away and do some more reading, you might learn something. Or go away troll somewhere else if that sounds too hard.
Title: Behave like neurotypicals
Post by: Necrosopher on May 09, 2012, 08:16:59 AM
Cool ad hominem, bro.

Actually choked on my tea when I saw what the first link in this post went to.

Yet you didn't actually listen to or analyze to any of the music? Nice knee jerk reaction. If you would have you might have noticed that, unlike what you misappropriate as "neoclassical", this actually has something in common with classical music.

Also, telling someone to "do some more reading" (when the subject is music!) = "I can't provide a defense for my irrational, yet ingrained views." Seen this a lot with creationists and stormfront users.
Title: Behave like neurotypicals
Post by: we hope you die on May 09, 2012, 11:46:53 AM
Cool ad hominem, bro.

Actually choked on my tea when I saw what the first link in this post went to.

Yet you didn't actually listen to or analyze to any of the music? Nice knee jerk reaction. If you would have you might have noticed that, unlike what you misappropriate as "neoclassical", this actually has something in common with classical music.

Also, telling someone to "do some more reading" (when the subject is music!) = "I can't provide a defense for my irrational, yet ingrained views." Seen this a lot with creationists and stormfront users.

OK, enough browbeating.

The reason I told you to do some more reading is because joining this forum and engaging in the dialogue requires that you at least have an idea as to where this website is coming from in terms of ideals. This forum isn't perfect, but it's the best of its kind. You clearly haven't done even the most basic research, so I recommend you take a look at some of the key articles on the ANUS homepage like the history and FAQ. No, this isn't me ducking the question. But we're clearly talking past each other because of this, and those articles will explain things far more eloquently than I will.

Once you've done that you'll realise the different ways that we're using the terms classical and neo-classical and how these terms have been manipulated over time to apply not just to aesthetics like your little youtube link, but to form, technique and structure as well.

If you're just another troll then no doubt you'll be fucking off about now, but if you're actually willing to learn then do a little bit of research in order to have a more civilised discussion on this forum.

Yes, it is elitist, and no, that's actually a good thing.   
Title: Behave like neurotypicals
Post by: Necrosopher on May 09, 2012, 02:01:29 PM
Once you've done that you'll realise the different ways that we're using the terms classical and neo-classical and how these terms have been manipulated over time to apply not just to aesthetics like your little youtube link, but to form, technique and structure as well.

Hahaha, oh wow. That link I posted is more "neoclassical" in technique, form and structure, not to mention composition, than anything you can cough up from your "ANUS approved" playlist. Don't kid yourself. Since you're stuck on aesthetics, if you played just a MIDI of that it would sound a million times closer to Beethoven, Mozart or Vivaldi than a competing MIDI of Emperor or whatever horseshit is of your choosing.

And you, an elitist? Excuse me? Never in a million years would I have thought of applying that term to you. Patting yourself on the back for thinking you belong to some "elitist" club that oddly enough has no entry requirements is almost as idiotic as thinking I disagree with you because I don't know anything about the nonsensical central dogmas of this site. Speaking of which, as far as metal is concerned, "neoclassical" here boils down to either a) any extreme metal that Prozak grew up with that has unconventional ("narrative") song structures or b) any extreme metal that Prozak grew up with that he arbitrarily chooses to call neoclassical because it "sounds powerful". Clearly, both are just wrong.

How about thinking for yourself for a change? If you're going to convince me that this "neoclassical" metal of yours is "100% derived from classical music", where's your proof? Where are your examples?
Title: Behave like neurotypicals
Post by: Necrosopher on May 09, 2012, 02:23:32 PM
And I'm not very surprised that Bathory, Emperor and Morbid Angel among others were directly inspired by classical composers. Of course, what these fellows say they're inspired by may not prove anything about their actual music. I, too, can tell people I'm inspired by Beethoven and then record a lousy pop record. But, as I said, their inspirations come as no surprise to me.

I'm actually more surprised at Morbid Angel claiming inspiration from Mozart than from Sailor Moon, Chun-Li and Quake 3 Arena. You're right about "inspirations" meaning shit all in this case, though. I'd put more faith in Avril Lavigne's claims to being influenced by David Bowie and Black Sabbath. The Mozart on Blessed Are the Sick is pretty lacking.

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"It's not your usual MTV rock 'n' roll, think of the experience more like a metal band playing folk melodies with all the drama and adventure of a classical music piece".

I read this and the first thing that comes to mind is Power Metal or Folk Metal.
Title: Behave like neurotypicals
Post by: Forza Romana on May 09, 2012, 03:02:04 PM
It is clear, Necro, that you have joined this forum to stir things up and share your view. And while this may be an internet forum, I am surprised by the lack of respect or manners you seem to display.

I will tell you something of myself and not be afraid. I was born and raised in a small Italian town and came to America 20 years or so ago. I am 31 and have been a metalhead since age 15. I have worked hard everyday of my life to enjoy the things I love most: biking, weightlifting, craft beer, metal music. I am physically in shape and also am a musician since 14, classically trained as well. While none of this makes me special or better, it does give you an insight into just one of the Hessians here.

I see where you come from in bashing us, because it has taken me years to understand the breadth of what this forum offers. You have an ideal that we are idiots and stupid for believing in what we do. But we have said we are not perfect and that is one step closer to being a better man, and even more so a better human.

What I would like to know is what you believe in, what your life has taught you, and with this respect and honor can be understand between us.

And if this is a troll then hey I let some steam off for the day!

Cheers with a Weyerbacher Tiny Imperial Stout!
Title: Re: Behave like neurotypicals
Post by: ChapelOfTorment on May 09, 2012, 06:16:34 PM
Necrosopher is clearly NegruVoda in disguise.
Title: Re: Behave like neurotypicals
Post by: Iron on May 09, 2012, 08:11:17 PM
Yeah, it's him. No doubt about it.

But anyway, this is a silly argument. Yes, SOME metal resembles SOME classical in form and in content. Yes, SOME metal is directly influenced by SOME classical. No, not all metal derives from classical, and obviously metal involves its own unique innovations.

The relationship isn't even that important. There's nothing intrinsically good about the classical form. Metal can (and probably should) be assessed on its own merits.

This is what matters:

a.) Metal explores the human state in its most remote extremes... those parts of the psyche and imagination that are typically regarded as inhuman or inaccessible, alien, dangerous, etc, etc. Death, magic, warfare, and raw formless power, etc, etc.
b.) Metal takes all of that ugly darkness and wilderness and makes something orderly and beautiful out of it.
Title: Re: Behave like neurotypicals
Post by: scourge on May 09, 2012, 08:35:22 PM
I believe the correct term is neoclassicism rather than a branch of music in the neoclassical tradition. The origins of metal lie within neoclassicism: an attempt to resuscitate prominent, non-musical elements from classical antiquity and the Gothic era in music form.
Title: Re: Behave like neurotypicals
Post by: NHA on May 10, 2012, 07:27:12 AM
Someone wanna explain the dave picture to me? haha.

Daaaavvves not herrrre maaan.
Title: Re: Behave like neurotypicals
Post by: Humanicide on May 10, 2012, 02:29:12 PM
Necrosopher is clearly NegruVoda in disguise.

Yeah, he has that same tired desperation about him. Kind of sad really.

Oh well, in the end he's gotta deal with himself, not me.