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Title: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: crow on March 22, 2013, 10:38:18 AM
Interesting place, this.
Sparsely populated by characters acting as if they are 'Uber-Men'.
I had never heard - or read - that term before my arrival, and so I watched, and read, hoping to discover what it might mean.
I saw the offerings of a few of these self-styled Uber-Men and felt a sense of bewilderment.
Because there really didn't seem to be anything Uber about them.
In fact, the most visible thing was an acting-as-if by those who seemed not to know anything about what they were acting-as.
Not that this is very unusual. I see this all the time. People re-imagining the world as they would have it be, with themselves in the starring role. It is a very common thing, indeed, this game of Boss-Of-The-World. I knew a child, back in the '60s, who played this very game, with me as his guileless minion, because I was a child, too, and it all seemed harmless enough, and rather fun, even if I had no clue what it was really about.

Uber: Above. Better-than. Superior.
Man: What exists after the boy is obsolesced and removed from service.

One might imagine that being an Uber-Man would entail actually being somehow superior to the Unter-Men. As opposed to snotty, immature, egotistical, boorish, and useless. To imagine this seems reasonable. Maybe I have it all wrong, though. Maybe what I assume it means has nothing at all to do with what it actually means.

Or maybe I am the only Man who actually does know what it means. In which case, here are a few pointers in how to become, and be, a Uber-Man...

The big thing is to replace the acting-as-if with actually being the thing.
Uber-Men do not act like Uber-Men. They are Uber-Men.
This is good advice for life in general, and not restricted to simply being Uber.
Wish not to be like The Master. Be The Master.

Anyway, you can't be an Uber-Man before you are even a Man. And so being a Man, as opposed to a fake, is undeniably a good start. And a Man is a stand-alone entity. He does not engage in Mob Mentality. He does not see some innocent being attacked and automatically rush to put the boots in before the moment passes. He tends, instead, to defend the one being attacked, even to his own cost. Because he is a Man.
This selfless and courageously virtuous act elevates the Man from being merely Man, to the status of Uber-Man.
To cite only one simple example of what being a Uber-Man entails.

To sum up:
To be a Uber Man, you must do more than be rude, profane, obnoxious, aggressive and toxic.
You must first discover what it is to be a Man. Having mastered that somewhat time-consuming and difficult feat, you must then set about discovering what it means to be Uber.

Good luck.

Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: Cargést on March 22, 2013, 10:58:35 AM
Funnily enough, a thought along similar lines came to me a few days ago.

If animals have the capacity for awareness but not the depth of focus of men, and men the capacity for attention but not the degree of awareness of the animal, then the overman is the one who is both aware and attentive; he is awake.  You don't need anything else - no thought or feeling, no ideals, no concepts.  Being wholly in the environment in which you find yourself is sufficient to be able to function appropriately in that environment; there is no true distinction between self and environment, thus, being none other than it, action will be yielded as required.
Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: crow on March 22, 2013, 11:06:49 AM
Aha. What's this, then? A real, live, Uber-Man.
Cargest gets to be commenter-of-the-week!
Nice one.
Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: fallot on March 22, 2013, 11:14:46 AM
You made an excellent post on the human tendency to consider thought-objects reality crow, so I suppose this long rant (which is an obvious reaction to to being called out on the derailment of another thread) is proof of your humanness? You even went with the "but it was a joke" defense in that one. Keep this passive aggressiveness masquerading as wisdom to yourself. Thank you for words of wisdom, fuck you for diva rants and pointless thread derailment.

I do wonder if this is some sort of greater lesson, with the contrasts you offer, but instinct tells me otherwise. "Uber-men" are a fantasy, but there are great men.
Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: crow on March 22, 2013, 11:20:25 AM
What is this psycho hang-up you have with 'passive-aggression'?
If you were physically standing before me, I would happily smash your face in.
Alas this is not to be. And so I must adapt to reality.
I don't like you, and you don't like me. This is not passive-aggression, it is mere fact.
Grow some balls, unter-man. There will be many people you don't like along the way.
Every moment you spend trying to make them look stupid is a moment you'll never get back.
Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: fallot on March 22, 2013, 11:33:49 AM
I dont like or dislike you, you are words on a page written in mystical prose. There is no you to like or dislike really. But besides that, I have enjoyed reading your words in the past. The hangup I have with passive aggression is that I hate it, I don't care why. All I know is that those who do it inspire loathing in me and sometimes thought will supply various rationalizations for "why".
Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: crow on March 22, 2013, 11:39:52 AM
You may not dislike me, but I certainly dislike you.
However, this can change in an instant, and change back, depending entirely upon the content you offer.
That comment was what this forum is aiming at. Thoughtful, useful, creative.

My wife just observed that I am like an industrial vacuum cleaner, and while that made me laugh, it is absolutely true.
I am here for a specific purpose: to clean up, and to do it in a very industrial way.
But being me, I do what do, anywhere: and this is what you see.

Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: fallot on March 22, 2013, 11:59:12 AM
Hold your praise, you offer it to any who take your fancy for the moment, so its worth is little. Disagree = Rebuke. Agree = Praise. The behaviour of trainers of dogs and horses. Not the first time you have mentioned clean-ups either. What does that mean? I asked you before but you did not elaborate. A threat seems to loom, yet plausible deniability is maintained, the very essence of passive aggression. The behaviour of sycophants, cowards and trannies.
Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: crow on March 22, 2013, 12:06:28 PM
That, my little nothing, gets you removed.
Innumerable chances have come and gone.
Nobody needs you.
Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: Examiner on March 22, 2013, 03:06:31 PM
What is this place?

A pile of drama and self-help threads.
Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: crow on March 22, 2013, 03:09:55 PM
Only for as long as it takes to get it back on track.
Do not adjust your set: normal service will be resumed, shortly.
Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: Examiner on March 22, 2013, 03:15:22 PM
The derailment has already begun, the train cannot be stopped, but thank you for the optimistic commentary.
Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: crow on March 22, 2013, 03:21:19 PM
Any derailment ends when its momentum runs out.
It has.
Now we have fitted these new things called 'brakes'.
Expect to be surprised at how well this works.
Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: Cheeseburger Zombie on March 22, 2013, 03:54:31 PM
The derailment has already begun, the train cannot be stopped, but thank you for the optimistic commentary.

The derailment began here many years ago and now they're finally fixing it. In the meantime you can find me at the Global Domination forums.
Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: WAAAAAAGH! on March 22, 2013, 06:21:06 PM
Written somewhere in my universal theory of everything, a man does not become a full man until he has found his partner and enters fatherhood.
Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: crow on March 22, 2013, 06:28:45 PM
That seems somewhat at odds with: "There's too many of us...There's too many of us..."
But I've often heard sentiments along those lines. Apparently, fatherhood drastically changes men.
I wouldn't know.

Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: WAAAAAAGH! on March 22, 2013, 06:52:53 PM
I'd have to be a complete misanthrope to take "there's too many of us..." Beyond mere sentiment. Thankfully I have some sense. The human is just as much of a necessity to existence as a crow is. Necessary expressions, just like this glass of whiskey I hold in my hand.
Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: crow on March 22, 2013, 07:08:31 PM
I find nothing inherently wrong with misanthropy. Other than it being crazy.
But when humanity has itself become crazy, crazy seems as good a way as any of dealing with it.

Jack Daniels? I've lately developed a taste for that. But generally, it's single malts, if anything.
I figure that at my age, overly healthy habits can become somewhat academic.
Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: Tralfamadorian on March 22, 2013, 07:36:28 PM
I find nothing inherently wrong with misanthropy. Other than it being crazy.
But when humanity has itself become crazy, crazy seems as good a way as any of dealing with it.

Reminds me of the rhetorical question, Do two wrongs make a right?


Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: WAAAAAAGH! on March 22, 2013, 07:37:01 PM
Disillusionment is healthy only to realize errors. If you hate the host, you hate life.

Maker's mark. Jack Daniels is too.....pedestrian. Ha.

Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: Tralfamadorian on March 22, 2013, 07:49:52 PM
Misanthropy and fatalism are just... gay. A loser philosophy based on one thing: misery loves company. Once I was about 20, I realized I was simply a selfish, hateful person who justified his attitudes with flimsy intellectual underpinnings.

I'm not sure what my philosophy is now. Nothing formal, just a take-it-as-it-comes type deal I suppose. But taking into consideration all possible gauges, from academic performance to how I treat other people, I am doing a lot better.

Alcohol? pfft. Give me a light Italian roast.
Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: crow on March 22, 2013, 07:53:29 PM
I have to wonder how you treated people before your great advancement.
Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: WAAAAAAGH! on March 22, 2013, 07:53:46 PM
You are uncultured Tralf. I mean that with no ill will.
Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: crow on March 22, 2013, 07:59:41 PM
He's uncultured and not particularly up to date, either.
He hasn't realized yet that his buddy in unculturedness, Fallot, is now banned.
He's likely to be next.

There is this policy, though, of temporary bans, now in effect.
See how that works...
Maybe some folks are still actually capable of adaptation to reality.
Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: WAAAAAAGH! on March 22, 2013, 08:03:01 PM
Reality? What is this? Are you speaking of Truth?
Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: Tralfamadorian on March 22, 2013, 08:05:20 PM
What can I say, I am a simple man. I accept your criticism (something that certain others seem to have trouble with), and do not wish you any ill-will.
Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: crow on March 22, 2013, 08:10:09 PM
Reality. You know. The Way Things Are.
A Man adapts to take this into account. He changes his procedures, so as not to be rolled-over by it.
Big T, here, seems - rather belatedly - to be grappling with this concept.
It would please me, no end, if he was successful.


Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: WAAAAAAGH! on March 22, 2013, 08:12:21 PM
Reality. You know. The Way Things Are.
A Man adapts to take this into account. He changes his procedures, so as not to be rolled-over by it.
Big T, here, seems - rather belatedly - to be grappling with this concept.
It would please me, no end, if he was successful.

You speak of Truth then. This funny word. Ree Ahl Ih Tee. It has no meaning where I am from. Peculiar.
Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: WAAAAAAGH! on March 22, 2013, 08:13:19 PM
What can I say, I am a simple man. I accept your criticism (something that certain others seem to have trouble with), and do not wish you any ill-will.

Breathe life in, friend. Caffeine is just as detrimental to the form as alcohol if left unbalanced. The heart is a fragile organ.
Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: crow on March 22, 2013, 08:53:08 PM
Reality. Yes. There should really be no need to stick a label on it to identify it.
But with so many lost people claiming their own version as the only real one, such lunacy becomes the norm.
Reality is what people used to refer to as God.
The unfathomable mystery.

Maker's Mark? I tasted that a couple of weeks back. I'm still trying to recover.
Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: Humanicide on March 22, 2013, 11:28:12 PM
Maker's Mark hits the spot. Also, "There's too many of us" I'm assuming refers to that awesome Fear song, right?

I've started contemplating children and child rearing within the past 2-3 years. I'm in no position to do so at this time, but I may very well in the future. It's a decision that should not be taken lightly. Unfortunately it often is due to ignorance or just plain stupidity.

I do wonder how one's psyche changes when it is not simply about self-preservation anymore. There is one to protect, and one to care for now. Behavioral patterns change, paternal instincts kick in - so much more to discover about being human.
Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: Cargést on March 23, 2013, 07:46:25 AM
When one is not geared towards self-preservation, or preservation of any kind, the world ceases to hold threats, and holds only wonders.  This is the natural state of man!

Why do you need to preserve yourself?  Firstly, what is so important about any organism that it ought continue?  Only the ego, the distinct sense of "I" as this one manifestation, considers itself necessary to existence (for it knows nothing other than itself).  Secondly, what have you ever truly done to preserve yourself?  Was it not always the "external world" that provided for you?  Your energy comes from the Sun, your body from the Earth, your breath from the Skies and your blood from the Seas: it is these forces that sustain you.  You will return to Death when the stars are right.  Don't strive to survive; it'll happen for as long as it needs to.  Enjoy this moment, or you'll miss this experience.
Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: WAAAAAAGH! on March 23, 2013, 09:25:24 AM
Maker's Mark hits the spot. Also, "There's too many of us" I'm assuming refers to that awesome Fear song, right?

I've started contemplating children and child rearing within the past 2-3 years. I'm in no position to do so at this time, but I may very well in the future. It's a decision that should not be taken lightly. Unfortunately it often is due to ignorance or just plain stupidity.

I do wonder how one's psyche changes when it is not simply about self-preservation anymore. There is one to protect, and one to care for now. Behavioral patterns change, paternal instincts kick in - so much more to discover about being human.

Yes that is from a fear song.

You'll never be in the position to do it, so just do it.

Radically. Taking part in creation is one fuck of an experience.
Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: Humanicide on March 23, 2013, 10:12:18 AM

You'll never be in the position to do it, so just do it.


I appreciate your sentiment here, but I didn't mean emotionally. I meant more practically (financially). I wouldn't want to bring someone into this world with my partner if neither of us had jobs.

Oh and Cargest - sleeping, exercising, and thinking help to preserve one's self. I hope you still do those!  :P
Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: crow on March 23, 2013, 10:49:27 AM
Oh and Cargest - sleeping, exercising, and thinking help to preserve one's self. I hope you still do those!  :P


It depends entirely upon why you do those things, not if you do them.
Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: WAAAAAAGH! on March 23, 2013, 12:37:35 PM


I appreciate your sentiment here, but I didn't mean emotionally. I meant more practically (financially). I wouldn't want to bring someone into this world with my partner if neither of us had jobs.

Actually this is what I was talking about. Children really aren't as expensive as most would lead you to believe. Your son really doesn't need that pair of baby Chuck Tailors that he is going to grow out of very fast.
Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: crow on March 23, 2013, 12:54:13 PM
Food, shelter, care...
Most responsible adults already have that covered.
Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: Humanicide on March 23, 2013, 02:26:44 PM


I appreciate your sentiment here, but I didn't mean emotionally. I meant more practically (financially). I wouldn't want to bring someone into this world with my partner if neither of us had jobs.

Actually this is what I was talking about. Children really aren't as expensive as most would lead you to believe. Your son really doesn't need that pair of baby Chuck Tailors that he is going to grow out of very fast.

I get you, and I wouldn't buy those expensive things, but I'm still a student with no permanent employment as of yet.

In due time.
Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: WAAAAAAGH! on March 23, 2013, 04:50:08 PM
Drop out, cause problems, breed the horde, assume command.
Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: Cargést on March 24, 2013, 05:41:34 AM
Oh and Cargest - sleeping, exercising, and thinking help to preserve one's self. I hope you still do those!  :P

Nope, haven't done them for a while - my body sleeps and exercises, and my mind is aware of thoughts, but I'm pretty comfortable just casually observing the whole process ; )

If the denizens of this forum managed to reproduce prodigiously over the next few years, World Crumple would be avoided for quite some time, if not altogether diverted.  There are enough intelligent people here that our spawn would be able to take the US and China with common sense and Metal.
Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: crow on March 24, 2013, 08:48:00 AM
I get the feeling that the importance of intelligence has been rather overplayed in Western society.
It is undoubtedly a very useful thing, but how useful, compared to other things?
Seems to me that the intelligent man cares little for intellect, in the same way the two-legged man cares less about his two legs than the legless man might.

Character might be something worth elevating in an individual's eyes. Or honour. Or the capacity for respect and gratitude. These are things that one must cultivate, or not. Unlike intelligence, that, presumably, one is simply born with, or without.

Like a physically beautiful woman, it is the luck of the draw, more than any special effort made at attainment.

One may, I suppose, selectively breed for desirable traits. And this may have its value.
But in the real world, chance plays a larger part, and things turn out as they turn out.
The Uber-man takes the hand he has been dealt, and maximizes it.
The ability and resolve to do this, probably counts for more than raw intelligence.
Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: Reginald Gillette on March 24, 2013, 10:26:42 PM
That, my little nothing, gets you removed.

I've been away for a while... Is Crow a moderator now? A kind of forum death-squad?  Is he able to ban people at will?  Maybe this is the forum-eugenics thing that certain of us have been hoping for, for years.  Still, the vibe is kind of intense.  I don't love it.
Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: crow on March 24, 2013, 11:20:27 PM
Intense can be good, when intense is needed.
Bans are for outrageously destructive attitudes, and are, initially, temporary.
We plan to develop an ability to coexist with each other. Not necessarily to adore, but to coexist.
As you say: it was a long time coming, and hopefully, unnecessary again.
Meanwhile, rest easy, and do as the Chasm suggests: talk and relax.

Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: anal_rapist on March 25, 2013, 07:22:54 AM
Oh and Cargest - sleeping, exercising, and thinking help to preserve one's self. I hope you still do those!  :P

Nope, haven't done them for a while - my body sleeps and exercises, and my mind is aware of thoughts, but I'm pretty comfortable just casually observing the whole process ; )

If the denizens of this forum managed to reproduce prodigiously over the next few years, World Crumple would be avoided for quite some time, if not altogether diverted.  There are enough intelligent people here that our spawn would be able to take the US and China with common sense and Metal.

I don't think the world needs more armchair intellectuals man.
Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: crow on March 25, 2013, 09:33:40 AM

I don't think the world needs more armchair intellectuals man.

The world doesn't need anything. It is the world.
Tread softly, doing little damage, and maybe it won't notice, and become upset.
Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: Cargést on March 25, 2013, 09:36:26 AM
First tenet of Hessiandom:

Act so that you have the least possible negative impact upon the world.
Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: MediterraneanSun on March 25, 2013, 10:11:44 AM
I'd like to share my vision on how to become the Uber-Man too. Or I should specifically say "your own Uber-Man" because regardless of how "high" or "low" is any of us in the genetic/evolutionary scale (hardware) his attitude to life (software) can dramatically change his creative power (some thing I call "life urge") or even sense of containment as a result.

Of course there are roughly different categories of people, what applies to Albert Einstein and Ted Kaczynski wouldn't apply to a lowlife thug who listens to gangsta rap, or to a retarded child but the content of this forum, I believe, is itself making a selection of people which is not so crazily diverse so that nothing could be said of relevace to most.

I believe there is a state of mind (not momentary but which might hold on for a large period of time) that I would call flow, during which you engage consciously in activities that you have determined are valuable and important to you and work towards one or many end goals. You engage in them without great fear or great procrastination or great anxiety etc. It works kind of like athletic flow, meaning that once you get it started, and keep going regularly, you start getting that feeling of "being physically ready", this might mean stamina or strength or both. Going back to the spiritual flow, let me state some things I believe it is based on.

First, I agree with Cargest (btw I like most of your posts) that too much self-preservation leads to inaction. In that sense our childhood had a greater sense of flow because we had a lesser sense of danger and greater curiosity/playfulness. Dont misinterpret this, I don't mean go be a snake tamer to live in ultra danger and by that you'll become a god. No, instead I mean that a lot of things are avoided by adults due to "self-preservation anxiety".

Of course there are things that materially cotribute to the flow or burn it down. Physical exercise affects spiritual flow, sleeping well does the trick. Alcohol binges certainly do not. Caffeine if consumed in moderation and early in the morning certainly increases flow temporarily. Anxiety kills flow. If you postpone something you have to do, the anxiety this process generates will probably end up devouring your flow.

Working towards attainable Goals that need work (what Kaczynski calls the power process) contributes to the flow. So does having a huge trancendant goal (for example preserve your race, or preserve/promote what you consider "beautiful").

Now something more bizarre that I believe contributes too, is a concept I'll call "stranger in the city" and this is a bit more elusive but I'll try to be precise. You see, all of us know that it is common to get disillusioned with our enviroment especially if it is one full of morons doing repetitive things and not even realizing it. However sometimes, we might dream of moving to a culturally different part of the world, and that we'd be happier there, sometimes we might even temporarily feel that there are a lot of things to experience even in our own enviroments. That state of mind is still locked somewhere deep in our brains and I have come to believe that by meditating a bit and distancing myself from the everyday routine I can imagine myself being a stranger in this enviroment, someone who has recently immigrated and sees that between the trash, there are still some people that are honorable and interesting to get to know, still some places that you haven't visited, still some activities you haven't done, still some ideas you never tested to know if they'll work. It is great if you can slow down your mind and try to fill it with void, so that you can start all over again. A few times the only solution might be to "just get the fuck out of here" but most times there are avenues we never took.

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That's about it, as I said, I was talking about being your spiritual uber-self, I also believe that genetic evolution through eugenics is a necessity too but this was not what I was talking about.

A small side note, well someone might be saying "well isn't all of this obvious? who belives differently?". Listen. You might be failing to do something you want, to achieve a goal or to solve a problem. There are those who will scream at you "try harder, kill yourself in working for it". I don't believe this is always a meaningful answer, especially if what you want to do requires gentle thinking, confidence and concentration, you must get the flow going.

Thank you if you had the patience to read through all that..
Title: Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
Post by: crow on March 25, 2013, 10:30:21 AM
Thanks for that. Thoughtful stuff.