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Metal => Interzone => Topic started by: crow on April 08, 2013, 05:29:14 PM

Title: The Treatment Room.
Post by: crow on April 08, 2013, 05:29:14 PM
It has been suggested that there are some members who might be labouring under the unbearable stresses of what passes for modern society, and might actually be so dependent upon this very forum, that banning them for their occasional lunatic outbursts might put them at risk of suicide. Or worse!

This bemused me, at first, because when somebody is so observably useless, popular opinion hereabouts would hold that euthanasia would be the best route to take.

Ignoring that philosophical discrepancy, for now, I decided it would be a worthy addition to the forum to have a place where the temporarily unbalanced could have a really, really good rant.
Ranting can be good, apparently, in some therapeutic way, and so here it is:

Please refrain from defacing the rest of the site, because if you do, there will be no coming back.
But feel free to curse, defame, sling the shit, and otherwise make a real nuisance of yourself, if you feel the need.
Just remember, that if you must do this, do it here.

This facility is brought to you, courtesy of Villain Of The Week: Umbrage.
Sadly no longer with us.
Title: Re: The Treatment Room.
Post by: fallot on April 08, 2013, 11:04:12 PM
So which one of the innumerable forums that have chucked you out for being a loon did you steal this stupid fucking idea from? Also Umbrage has better taste in music than you and makes more interesting posts, how about you take a long break instead? Don't you have some nature to appreciate or something? You don't even like metal!

If there was some dignity to your mien perhaps you wouldn't smarmily degrade a reasonable poster, but there isn't, and there's none in me either, so its open house: Lets see, you wasted your whole fucking life chasing some kind of dragon. On the way you paid fat ugly women for the pleasure of being dominated, or perhaps just talking to them. Near the end of your life you realized you were an idiot and had some epiphany. All the while your genes cried out at their certain demise. Unfortunately, this experience seems to have unhinged you in a subtle way, where you pretend to be a crazy normal person, but are actually a crazy novelty seeking retiree (or a liar, or both).

I'm cured! Thank you Dr. Crow!
Title: Re: The Treatment Room.
Post by: crow on April 08, 2013, 11:30:48 PM
Thank you. Now you are cured, you can disappear permanently.
Next?

Title: Re: The Treatment Room.
Post by: crow on April 08, 2013, 11:54:11 PM
Maybe I should have mentioned that there are these things called 'consequences' which follow each and every action a human - and anything else - makes. Do reasonable stuff and you can expect reasonable consequences, although, with people, this is not always true.
Thus, a post like the one above, is likely to have proportionate consequences.
One of which is:
Although The Treatment Room started out as a harmless idea, it has turned out to be a 'honey-pot' for undesirables.
This is good. Evolution in action.
Soon, enough carcasses will have been picked clean, that the silent ones may venture back out into the open, and have their say, without the uber-bullies ruining everything they see.

Title: Re: The Treatment Room.
Post by: Madhu on April 09, 2013, 01:00:34 AM
I think it's kind of a bad idea. Better to just ban people if they're really causing trouble. Remember - people who check out the new site are likely to check out the forum. If they show up here and pick up on all the bitterness, interpersonal intrigue, name calling and passive aggression, any enthusiasm the front page inspired in them is likely to be soured.

The forum should probably be treated like an extension of the main blog. Bullshit should really be resolved 'behind the scenes', not in some kind of daycare 'time out' thread.
Title: Re: The Treatment Room.
Post by: crow on April 09, 2013, 11:39:50 AM
You are right. It is a bad idea. But when all the good ones fail, you sometimes need to start considering the bad ones. Adaptation, and all that.
Duly noted and under consideration.
Title: Re: The Treatment Room.
Post by: crow on April 09, 2013, 12:22:55 PM
Considered.

The thread is now un-sticky, and will sink into oblivion, as long as nobody feels the need for treatment.
Yet it remains - for now - as a possibly useful tool for the maintenance of some semblance of order.
Quietly banning problem users is what other forums do. Not this one.
Metalheads are valuable, here, for some reason.
They get to decide their own behaviour, and this is tolerated, right up to the point of thermonuclear detonation.
Such events are visible to all, for what they are, and leave no doubt as to why bans must be enforced.
Thus the errant metalhead gets to see the behaviour and the consequence.
An important step to becoming uber.

Savvy characters will figure out how to circumvent the ban, anyway, and this is quietly encouraged, because the ban is not personal. It is death to the avatar, not the human behind the avatar. The human may adapt, while the avatar often can not.

EOL.


Title: Re: The Treatment Room.
Post by: Humanicide on April 09, 2013, 02:26:28 PM
Might as well start calling this place a clothesline if we're gonna be doing all of this laundry in public.

Admins shouldn't get too personal when banning someone. Also shouldn't even announce it. The point here is that we're all just usernames. Too much of this drama cuts into what made this board cool.
Title: Re: The Treatment Room.
Post by: crow on April 09, 2013, 05:20:05 PM
What didn't you understand about the previous comment?
It is not personal. The avatar dies. Not the human.
The forum has been taken over by idiot bully-boy trolls who deny newcomers a voice.
The avatar is like an out of control ego: any power it has is in its name, alone.
This situation is going to stop, forthwith.

Observe the reality, illustrated by the facts:
I am a gunslinger. I started out with compassion, but this has been abandoned in favour of hair-trigger justice.
Be a target: get shot. Present no target: live on in glory.

How anybody thinks it should be counts for nothing.
It is how it is. The only important thing is survival; just like in the real world.

Gunslingers are hired to do a job. They do the job and move on.
All this seems pretty clear to me, and I hope it does to everyone else.
The site is not the eight habitual posters, and it does not need them.
They can rearrange their stance towards it, or they can all disappear.

Talk and relax are the rules in The Chasm.
Do, or die.

Title: Re: The Treatment Room.
Post by: Humanicide on April 09, 2013, 05:32:43 PM
If that's what it takes for you, so be it.

Consider me relaxed. I'll keep my opinions to myself on this one.
Title: Re: The Treatment Room.
Post by: crow on April 09, 2013, 05:35:49 PM
If that's what it takes for you, so be it.

Consider me relaxed. I'll keep my opinions to myself on this one.


Yes. I knew I could count on you. Thank you.
Title: Re: The Treatment Room.
Post by: Phoenix on April 09, 2013, 07:56:51 PM
Crow, most of my rants would be directed at you, so I think it's really quite charitable of you to set this thread up. Unfortunately I'm feeling so out of sorts today that I don't even think I'm up to ranting.
Title: Re: The Treatment Room.
Post by: crow on April 09, 2013, 08:07:49 PM
Hope you feel better soon. I can't wait to hear what you have to say. Within reason!
I myself am laid low by tree-pollen allergies. Gotta lotta trees here.
Title: Re: The Treatment Room.
Post by: yanluowang on April 10, 2013, 05:20:05 AM
Hope you feel better soon. I can't wait to hear what you have to say. Within reason!
I myself am laid low by tree-pollen allergies. Gotta lotta trees here.

Where are you living now, crow? Could you please tell us a little bit about your life? How did you get rid of the modern life ? :P
Title: Re: The Treatment Room.
Post by: crow on April 10, 2013, 06:12:37 AM
That's not a very convincing rant. Maybe you are in the wrong place.
But I will take it at face value. and say this:
I am living on an island, in a forest, and trying to survive the worst allergy attacks of my life.
It's raining a lot and the trees are huge. There are deer, raccoons, squirrels, millions of birds, frogs, voles and mice. And at least one cougar, and the odd trace of a passing bear.
I wasted too many years trying to be like other people, until I finally realized that no matter how hard I tried, it was never going to happen.
I didn't so much lose the modern life as modern life wouldn't let me in. So I walked - and sometimes sailed - away from it.
When the sun comes out, I am in paradise. When it doesn't come out, I am almost in paradise.
I have the world's best wife, a huge Maine Coon cat that wandered in from the forest, two other cats and a disabled rabbit. The crow that taught me all I know is now off somewhere, living a crow life, and there is an ancient shaman  that sometimes materializes in the woods.
It's not the wilderness that I prefer, but it's a fair compromise.
And now I need a cup of coffee...


Title: Re: The Treatment Room.
Post by: username on April 10, 2013, 07:54:25 AM
That's nice to live such place. Sadly it very difficult to get your whole life together to makes such a shift economic wise---you have to make some money, which is difficult on the fringes of the world.

Most places it feels like a panopticon. Always there could be someone watcing you or neighbours could hear your doings and conversation. Modern lifestyle is quite inhumane.

Title: Re: The Treatment Room.
Post by: crow on April 10, 2013, 08:06:13 AM
Financial considerations are the ones most cited as a reason for continuing to live in hell.
I was very, very, poor, until quite recently. But that never stopped me from disappearing into the unknown.
Seriously: money is only useful in a city.
You'd be amazed at how you don't suddenly die when you get away from all the things you've known.
Starving for a while is good for you. Usually you can learn how and what to eat before you collapse.

The really precious thing is that now you could suddenly die.
And so your senses adjust to prevent that happening.
You start to live...

If I had one single mission in life, it would probably be to persuade humans to leave the age of cities behind them.
But I'm beginning to leave missions behind me, instead :)
People must make their own choices.

Title: Re: The Treatment Room.
Post by: yanluowang on April 10, 2013, 09:00:36 AM
Another other consideration is family pressure. I feel it hard to leave behind my mom and dad without being condemned as a selfish bastard...
Title: Re: The Treatment Room.
Post by: username on April 10, 2013, 09:22:32 AM
I used to accept the "be poor" approch to get away from society, and was in fact also drifting around for shorter periods. I never learned to fit in either, probably because of growing up in rural surroundings.
You have a point in many of the conviniences of urban hell living are unneccesary, though actually starving and freezing isn't exactly something most people would want to accept.
If just some of all the people would disapear, there would be enough space for all.
Title: Re: The Treatment Room.
Post by: crow on April 10, 2013, 10:47:46 AM
Another other consideration is family pressure. I feel it hard to leave behind my mom and dad without being condemned as a selfish bastard...

Being condemned is what happens any time you let people condemn you.
The question is: would you condemn yourself?
Title: Re: The Treatment Room.
Post by: Cheeseburger Zombie on April 10, 2013, 01:50:50 PM
If I had one single mission in life, it would probably be to persuade humans to leave the age of cities behind them.

Smell the logic... Smell the jet planes
The dangerous goals and crooked aims
Smell the progress... Smell the dirty money
Smells like shit, this isn't funny

Money stinks
Money stinks
This city stinks

Nobody cares about the air we breathe
Nobody cares about the air we need
Smell the profit, smell the success
Smell the dying dream of the mighty west
Smell the factories, smell all the cars
The adult book stores and the topless bars
Smell the pretty people, smell their false pity
Smell the broken promise of the living city
Smell the real reason, smell, smell the one way plan
The real estate, the desperate, state of modern man
Smell the excess, smell the death
Smell the wet dream of this human mess
Title: Re: The Treatment Room.
Post by: crow on April 10, 2013, 08:08:01 PM
Come now, it's not all bad. Cities have stuff you'll never find anywhere else, such as...
Title: Re: The Treatment Room.
Post by: yanluowang on April 10, 2013, 09:32:23 PM
Another other consideration is family pressure. I feel it hard to leave behind my mom and dad without being condemned as a selfish bastard...

Being condemned is what happens any time you let people condemn you.
The question is: would you condemn yourself?

Yes, more or less. But I get your point, a man's heart will never be complete if he can't live a life that he deemed to be meaningful.

However, every big change need some preparation. I'd have to say I am not ready now.
Title: Re: The Treatment Room.
Post by: crow on April 10, 2013, 10:02:29 PM
You sound very practical. That's something I could use more of.
Title: Re: The Treatment Room.
Post by: Madhu on April 11, 2013, 02:49:00 AM
Cities have stuff you'll never find anywhere else, such as...

Libraries, universities, concert venues, theatres, museums and so on. These things can be valuable.
Title: Re: The Treatment Room.
Post by: Humanicide on April 11, 2013, 10:00:41 AM
Cities have stuff you'll never find anywhere else, such as...

Libraries, universities, concert venues, theatres, museums and so on. These things can be valuable.

Yes, quite. I think that we as a society need to step back and take a look at how we construct and design cities, because they don't have to be the overpopulated dirty messes that they are now.

The countryside is still supreme though.  ;D
Title: Re: The Treatment Room.
Post by: crow on April 11, 2013, 10:43:09 AM
All the things described are passive indulgences, much like watching a television.
One may learn certain things by doing so, but it is rarely a hands-on learning.
Title: Re: The Treatment Room.
Post by: MahaVindex on April 11, 2013, 12:25:43 PM
Kill everyone. Only silence is beautiful. Anything less is the incessant gibbering of repugnant banal apes.
Title: Re: The Treatment Room.
Post by: crow on April 11, 2013, 12:40:17 PM
Just leave them to live in their crumbling cities, using up the last of their accumulated wealth.
No need to kill anyone: reality will end them, by and by.
Title: Re: The Treatment Room.
Post by: Humanicide on April 11, 2013, 02:23:48 PM
All the things described are passive indulgences, much like watching a television.
One may learn certain things by doing so, but it is rarely a hands-on learning.

Hands on learning is not the only valid form of learning. Besides, a really good museum exhibit is far more informative than television.

Either way, cities tend to develop where large groups congregate. Do you think this is something inherent in humans? I've often wondered; and if they are indeed an inevitability, what then?
Title: Re: The Treatment Room.
Post by: Madhu on April 11, 2013, 03:23:39 PM
All the things described are passive indulgences, much like watching a television.
One may learn certain things by doing so, but it is rarely a hands-on learning.

Whether something is a 'passive indulgence' or not has entirely to do with the fruit it bears, and very little to do with the environment in which it occurs. In other words, it really depends on the person we're talking about. It is entirely possible for a certain kind of person to become a 'fully realized' human being in an urban environment. It is also quite possible that this will happen, for some, in a rural environment where one is further away from the psychosocial clutter of civilization. It's worth noting that some people achieve this even when they are confined in a prison, mental asylum or monastery.

No matter where you are, reality is all around you. Nature doesn't begin where civilization ends. It permeates everything.

Please excuse this post if it sounds patronizing or something. I get where you're coming from, Crow. I generally lean towards rural life, actually. It's just that I don't believe in the absolute dichotomy between 'active, healthy, engaged rural living' and 'decadent, passive, self-referential urban living'. Things are rarely so neatly binary, in my experience.
Title: Re: The Treatment Room.
Post by: crow on April 11, 2013, 03:39:05 PM
One never actually learns anything passively.
Books, exhibits, teachers, provide a framework for the doing of, the application of, the learning.
Until you've done it, there is no way to know about all the random variables involved, and no way to effectively teach this. Living is knowing. But this knowing has very little to do with book-knowing.
Maybe you can quote taoteching to people, word for word, as many do, but until those words have actually changed your life, what do you know about it? Does knowing the words mean you are wise? No.

Furthermore, when you spend large amounts of energy keeping-the-city-out, you are less receptive to the fullness of life, than if you were not. Enlightenment means the total receptivity to all there is, and if you do that in a city, you end up insane. Even if you entered the city in a state of enlightenment, it would soon be lost, due to the nature of life in the city. Full awareness is dependent upon peace and quiet. Which is what a soul discovers when its body dies.




Title: Re: The Treatment Room.
Post by: Eleison on April 11, 2013, 07:26:19 PM

Maybe you can quote taoteching to people, word for word, as many do, but until those words have actually changed your life, what do you know about it? Does knowing the words mean you are wise? No.

Furthermore, when you spend large amounts of energy keeping-the-city-out, you are less receptive to the fullness of life, than if you were not. Enlightenment means the total receptivity to all there is, and if you do that in a city, you end up insane. Even if you entered the city in a state of enlightenment, it would soon be lost, due to the nature of life in the city. Full awareness is dependent upon peace and quiet. Which is what a soul discovers when its body dies.

As far as Eastern philosophy goes, I think the text that made the greatest impression on me regarding my subsequent choices in life was not the Tao Te Ching but the Bhagavad-Gita, I would suspect this is true for quite a few people here.  The latter stresses the importance of carrying out your duty even when everything around you is corrupt and broken, which, generally speaking is what most people here at least attempt to do.  I would once again stress the point that both the active and contemplative paths are spiritually valid choices and correspond to real human archetypes.

Edit: This post also seems applicable in the 'Move Out and Live' thread.
Title: Re: The Treatment Room.
Post by: crow on April 11, 2013, 07:34:27 PM
People like yourself seem (and I mean seem) able to walk the walk, whereas others only seem to, and this is visible in the recent happenings here: scratch the apparently calm surface and a ravening monster lunges out.

The appearance of 'having it together' is not the same as having it together.

Anyway: these are my findings.
I have never met anyone, including myself, who can maintain reliable balance in a city environment. All is pretence, and the face one manages to wear for others, is not the actual face one wears.
That is why I will never live in a city again, if I have any choice in the matter.

 
Title: Re: The Treatment Room.
Post by: Eleison on April 11, 2013, 07:41:41 PM
People like yourself seem (and I mean seem) able to walk the walk, whereas others only seem to, and this is visible in the recent happenings here: scratch the apparently calm surface and a ravening monster lunges out.

The appearance of 'having it together' is not the same as having it together.

Anyway: these are my findings.
I have never met anyone, including myself, who can maintain reliable balance in a city environment. All is pretence, and the face one manages to wear for others, is not the actual face one wears.
That is why I will never live in a city again, if I have any choice in the matter.

I would agree that if one doesn't take considerable time to tend to one's spiritual needs then living in a city is very destructive.  It is necessary to withdraw, at least inwardly, quite frequently from the distractions of the urban environment, although this does not necessarily mean that you must physically leave the city but this does help. 

Regarding your initial point, of course we can never really know who anyone is on the internet, we can only try and gauge something of the person through their words, or else simply take the words for what they are and ignore the personality of whoever writes them is probably better.  For example I have been undecided for pretty much your entire time here as to whether or not you are who you say you are, but this is really of no significance since your words either have value or they do not regardless of whether you are really living the life you describe or you are typing from a computer booth in an insane asylum.

Edit: perhaps I should add here that the philosophy I describe and the judgments I make on this forum are ideals, I would be the first to admit that in my day to day life I do not always live up to them.
Title: Re: The Treatment Room.
Post by: crow on April 11, 2013, 08:10:19 PM
It is good that you announce your inability to decide if I actually am what I seem to be.
I've long been puzzled by this phenomenon. You are not alone in this.
It is good, because you are the first to so clearly verbalize it.
Usually the not-knowing just enrages people.

Title: Re: The Treatment Room.
Post by: MahaVindex on April 12, 2013, 02:26:42 PM
As was mentioned before,it doesn't so much matter who you are but if your words hold meaning. Off course that means the one reading your words has to be able to take something from what was said. To me the most important thing is purpose. Albeit my purpose is different from everyone else's I welcome anything that will help me fulfill my purpose. 
Title: Re: The Treatment Room.
Post by: indjaseemun on April 13, 2013, 09:25:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGYYiBcEFlc

What all the members here think about the black initiative in this song?

This one's good also:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrqtfNc6duY

I think it's good, Nationalist behavior. Without the part of psychopatic murder of whites, of course.
Title: Re: The Treatment Room.
Post by: Ratatosk on April 16, 2013, 08:41:51 AM
Anyway: these are my findings.
I have never met anyone, including myself, who can maintain reliable balance in a city environment. All is pretence, and the face one manages to wear for others, is not the actual face one wears.
That is why I will never live in a city again, if I have any choice in the matter.


Hey brother, it really depends with whom one spends their time. You can see truth in an overflowing newspaper bin. The pidgeons have mastered wu-wei. One can see a thousand small Arjuna rise between the concrete and bricks, or a thousand more crammed onto commuter trains, or sweeping the sidewalks.

Plastic is natural, so is diet soda, so is everything else.

It is my opinion that emotions are related to necessary actions, so thus over time emotions related to the scent of earth, or fractal branches, etc. are emotionally linked with our survival. Therefore, those who have affinity for active meditation will gain superb benefits from connection with natural things. However, those who find cerebral activity more effective will see both sides of the coin, but lack the visceral experience of the former.

And let's not talk about those weird duty bound moral path folks, zomg.  :o I wonder if anybody here could provide insight into our two from theirs?

In fact, I have a huge blind spot in regards to "spiritual perfection via moral duty", so if anyone has insight I would love to hear it.
Title: Re: The Treatment Room.
Post by: Cheeseburger Zombie on April 16, 2013, 09:15:36 AM
One never actually learns anything passively.

They should write this above the front doors of schoolhouses... you can memorize, analyze and theorize but you don't know anything until you get your hands dirty.
Title: Re: The Treatment Room.
Post by: username on April 16, 2013, 02:25:20 PM
Anyway: these are my findings.
I have never met anyone, including myself, who can maintain reliable balance in a city environment. All is pretence, and the face one manages to wear for others, is not the actual face one wears.
That is why I will never live in a city again, if I have any choice in the matter.


Hey brother, it really depends with whom one spends their time. You can see truth in an overflowing newspaper bin. The pidgeons have mastered wu-wei. One can see a thousand small Arjuna rise between the concrete and bricks, or a thousand more crammed onto commuter trains, or sweeping the sidewalks.

Those cites with subways are like dirty compost heaps. Compost heaps where only certain plants can grow, like tomatoes  or squash, which do well in soil of high nutrition. Orchid or some other rare plants grow only in  special, ligther soils, as their roots are burned by the high nutrition content.

Most content in such a compost is only meant to be nutrition for future plants.

Soon the compost are owergrown, and the nettles come, and other of that  type of nitrogen loving plants.

First after many recyclings of the organic materials we will see the diversity of a natural meadow with beautiful flowers and other herbs among the mundane grasses.


Could anyone imagine such a city giving life to a Siddharta Gautama or "Odinic wanderer" Gandalf type of person?  Perhaps rather a Socrates talkative person.

At best we will probably see some  superficial intellectual types that can nitpick superficial arguments.

Many people chose to withdraw from interacting too much if they are forced to have interaction in the urban environment, some even chose to dull the nerves with alchohol or a narcotic types of cannabis.

Schopenhauer  spake of having sensitive nervous system and how having such was a burden, but also a requrement for the true thinker.