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Title: Tattoos
Post by: Annihilation on August 29, 2013, 05:25:16 PM
This is a medium I do not appreciate. It's become fairly commonplace, and seems to have only recent historical use in European countries. Since I respect the tastes of those here: are there any tattoos you have, or others which you find tasteful?
Title: Re: Tattoos
Post by: trystero on August 30, 2013, 08:08:53 AM
A tattoo to me is like something etched on to say, a pristine natural landscape. No matter how tasteful it is, it wears on the senses like an alien thing. So no, and no.
Title: Re: Tattoos
Post by: crow on August 30, 2013, 09:53:49 AM
I never did like tattoos; certainly was never tempted to indulge.
Title: Re: Tattoos
Post by: dead last on August 30, 2013, 11:32:15 AM
I got a handful of tattoos when I was younger. They were used to cement my advertised identity lest anyone not 'take me seriously', but I was also so insecure that I felt I needed some permanent mark just to keep from doubting my own identity.

That didn't work. I underestimated my own psychological plasticity. (That would prove to be an error repeated.)

I have one tattoo that I still like a lot; it's the control knob setup of a Boss DS-1 footswitch, drawn right on top of my foot, all knobs tuned to my preferred tone and distortion setting. Being on my foot, very few people see it. It makes me smile though.

The sstraightedge tattoo turned out to be the worst. Having to explain that to a group of stoned college students when I'm at a dealer's house... That got old.

Someone suggested that I remove the tattoos if they are embarrassing but I'd rather not. They are milestones for me. I can look at where I've come from, but they also remind me that I never really can be sure of where I'm going.
Title: Re: Tattoos
Post by: Jim Necroslaughter on August 30, 2013, 11:50:52 AM
I don't have one myself, but you guys will get a kick out of this.  Right when my best friend turned 18 he got C.F.H. tattooed on his shoulder.  You know what that stands for?  Cowboys From Hell!  As in Pan-tera!  bahahaaa!  We'll never let him live that one down.
Title: Re: Tattoos
Post by: Humanicide on August 30, 2013, 12:05:34 PM
Depends on the application and nature of the tattoo.

I find that the precise needlework and forms which result from a good artist are compelling. One can become a mural of sorts. Tattooing is also traditionally practiced in a lot of South American and Asian cultures (as well as many others but those most prominently come to mind).

http://www.spaciousplanet.com/world/new/7-greatest-traditions-of-tribal-tattoo <----- some neat tribal pictures here along with modern douchebaggery, unfortunately. The black and white photos are particularly good.

As for myself, I plan on getting one or two of them. The designs I have in mind have particular significance to me and my structure of beliefs. I also haven't really deviated and have wanted the same tattoos for about 6-7 years now. Jim's unfortunate buddy proves that you really should plan out your ink better, lest you wind up with a Brotera tattoo. I see nothing wrong with them so long as they're able to be hidden by common clothing. Face, neck, knuckle, and any other extremity tattoo usually looks uber trashy.
Title: Re: Tattoos
Post by: aquarius on August 30, 2013, 07:57:13 PM
I know a lot of death-metal musicians are into tattoos and I don't hold it against them. Of course it's not really the image of a person that matters in that case but their music and ideas. Otherwise, I personally wouldn't even consider it. I think it's important to respect the body and to keep the skin as clear as possible.

Face, neck, knuckle, and any other extremity tattoo usually looks uber trashy.

This is pretty much the unwritten hallmark of anti-social/borderline personality disorder.

*I am a dangerous wasp as evidenced in my stripes, beware of me*
Title: Re: Tattoos
Post by: Annihilation on August 30, 2013, 08:41:23 PM
*I am a dangerous wasp as evidenced in my stripes, beware of me*

True, but this mindset is partly metal's raison d'etre.
Title: Re: Tattoos
Post by: NHA on August 30, 2013, 10:50:21 PM

Lots of nice math-nerd patterns as seen in Islamic and Indian art.

Don't have any tats, but i wouldn't mind having them on my back. Mainly so i don't have to see the same damn pattern every fucking day.

I got 4 facial piercings like 6 months ago and its been a rather interesting experience. There is something addictive about the mutilation/regrowth cycle. I'm excessively cold and rational as a personality type, so the act in itself is kind of a monument to irrationality: "because i can, and because i arbitrarily decided so" turns out to be a rather rewarding justification after all. As a practical benefit i'm completely comfortable with needles, fangs and puncture wounds in general now.

I haven't really sorted out all the social implications yet, but it can most likely be used to non-verbally probe people, and force them to reveal something about their personality.
Title: Re: Tattoos
Post by: Taradiddle Doodoo on August 31, 2013, 02:11:48 AM
I like tattoos a lot but I have a serious problem with tattoo artists. I can't really explain why, it's just bad chemistry.

I have one tattoo, I got it when I was 20. While I was getting the tattoo done the tattoo artist started asking questions, how long have you wanted a tattoo, what are your hobbies, etc. So I started talking to him. Then later he suddenly says he can't concentrate because I'm talking too much. So I stopped talking. Then when the tattoo is finished and I'm looking at it I notice some outlines are blurry and crappy. So I said "Hey, this is a bad job man." and the stupid tattoo artist begins blaming me and saying I talked too much so he couldn't concentrate. I thought he was full of shit so I started an argument with him. I ended up being thrown out of the tattooshop but at least I didn't pay for that piece of shit.

Later I wanted to get the tattoo fixed but a lot of tattoo artists acted weird. I've found out that a bad tattoo is like a bad mark or something. The tattoo artists were nice until I showed them the tattoo, then suddenly they changed their attitude and started charging me ridiculous prices if I wanted to have the tattoo fixed. Apparently showing a badly done tattoo to a tattoo artist is like wearing a sign that says "kick me"

Unfortunately I've become too estranged from tattoo artists to ever trust them again. I tried getting my tattoo fixed years later. I went to some tattooshop somewhere after hearing several recommendations from friends. But as soon as I sat down in the seat the guy starts asking me questions and getting me to talk (of course) but I didn't say anything this time. Can you guess what happens next? The first line, the very first line he puts on my arm is fucking curved and choppy as fuck! But this time nobody could blame me for talking too much. So I say to the tattoo artists "what are you doing man?" and the guy is like "yeah don't worry, I'll fix that later" and I'm like "dude I'm here to get this tattoo fixed and you're ruining it more!" and then he got all insulted and we ended up fist fighting. I was so pissed off after that I wanted to throw a brick through the tattooshop window but I managed to control my anger.

So is this some kind of routine that tattoo artists do? First they get you to talk so when they ruin the tattoo they can blame you for it. Tattoos look nice on photos and in movies but in real life when you see them closeby and you see all the lines are messed up etc... It's a con, that's what it is. Tattoo artists are conmen selling you an illusion. You'd be better off spending your money on a hooker, at least she'll be more honest about her job and some genital diseases can look pretty cool too from a distance.
Title: Re: Tattoos
Post by: trystero on August 31, 2013, 05:54:19 AM
I haven't really sorted out all the social implications yet

Well you`re definitely not coming to my house mate.
Title: Re: Tattoos
Post by: dead last on August 31, 2013, 06:18:51 AM
Taradiddle: I empathize with the joy of plunging into irrationality; doing something for no good reason but for fulfilling soime arbitrary capacity. Good stuff man.

I have had sloppy tattoos and extremely clean tattoos. It all depends on your artist. There are good ones out there. Ask people about their tattoos, find out who did them, how much they charged. If it is a clean image and it cost them a lot, you can bet on their artist. The disciplined ones know their value and will charge for their superior work. Of course this is an extremely general observation but it helps when narrowing down artists when you want work done.
Title: Re: Tattoos
Post by: Madhu on August 31, 2013, 02:22:39 PM
I like tasteful (i.e, ugly/Satanic/morbid), well-designed tattoos.

The fact that they're permanent, alien to the body, and in some respects disfiguring is part of their value. There is no such thing is nature. Or, said another way, everything that happens is nature.

I am not interested in putting them on public display, however, so under the shirt/pants/shoes only. I might consider public tattoos only if/when I ever get tenure.
Title: Re: Tattoos
Post by: trystero on August 31, 2013, 02:29:28 PM
The skin is a beautifully complex organ. You are right that a tattoo is not strictly unnatural, but it is certainly out of place on such a magnificent edifice as the human body. No matter what design is inked on, it will remain inferior to what lies underneath. Something few appreciate because of its ordinariness to us. That is what strikes me as out of place, alien. I have a similar aversion to piercings. The effect of memetic exposure by gazing on flesh is also annoying, it isnt a place I want to see symbol.
Title: Re: Tattoos
Post by: NHA on September 01, 2013, 04:58:45 AM
I'd argue that most human bodies are fairly repulsive under closer inspection - particularly when you start to open them up.

When i see surface piercings (piercing through flat/non-convex/non-concave regions) i have the urge to remove them the same way you would a splinter. The body tends to reject and push them out itself anyway.

But really, the same could be said of this picture:
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Ugly skin and teeth, and that stray nose hair is really begging to be ripped out.
Title: Re: Tattoos
Post by: dead last on September 01, 2013, 09:12:39 AM
It is only ugly if you compare it to a standard.

There are places where piercings and tattoos are considered standard; you are less attractive without them.

It is a novelty in places like the US though. That's the only reason Suicide Girls ever got anywhere. (If you don't know what Suicide Girls means, then you aren't missing out on anything.)
Title: Re: Tattoos
Post by: Madhu on September 01, 2013, 01:08:13 PM
...it is certainly out of place on such a magnificent edifice as the human body. No matter what design is inked on, it will remain inferior to what lies underneath. Something few appreciate because of its ordinariness to us.

Ink is roughly as out of place as scar tissue, tanning, wrinkles, or any of the other incidental things that may end up marking a body through its lifespan.

And there's nothing intrinsically magnificent, beautiful or superior about the design of the human body, any more than there is something intrinsically magnificent, beautiful or superior its byproducts, i.e, feces, sweat, urine. As another user pointed out, it's just as easy to view the body as a disgusting mess as it is to view it as a sublime work of engineering. Either viewpoint tells us much more about the mind of the viewer than it does the object beheld.
Title: Re: Tattoos
Post by: trystero on September 01, 2013, 01:50:43 PM
Yes, that is mostly a rationalization of my own position rather than some sort of argument against tattoos. Imagine a tattoo on a tree for instance, maybe that explains it better.
Title: Re: Tattoos
Post by: Squarekiller23 on September 01, 2013, 05:28:58 PM
A tattoo to me is like something etched on to say, a pristine natural landscape. No matter how tasteful it is, it wears on the senses like an alien thing. So no, and no.

This is amusing to me, coming from a user calling himself trystero. I have the muted post-horn tattooed on my arm.  :)

Tattoos aren't too bad, but with everything these days, everyone goes overboard with them. I only have the one. It can be seen when I wear short-sleeves, but it's fairly innocuous. It took me almost two years to finally decide to get it. For most other people though, it seems as soon as they get the idea for one, they make the appointment immediately. I know a guy with a ridiculous sleeve tattoo, including a koi fish on his forearm, a lobster with a crown on the underside of his forearm, and on his bicep/shoulder he has an octopus wearing a top-hat and a monocle. I just don't get that. Most people are acting out or trying to be "unique" when they get in to that territory.

Tradiddle: I think you've just had really shitty luck. My mom has around seven or eight tattoos (entirely too many for a fifty year-old woman, but anyway) and they all look very good, including her portrait tattoo. Most artists can't do portrait tattoos, and when they do they're awful. Her's looks pristine though. She's had a different artist for nearly each one as well, and only had a problem with one of them. You definitely ran into the wrong people. Especially the guy who got pissed because you were talking to him. I talked to my tattoo artist the entire time she was working and she didn't have the slightest problem. Sounds like that guy was just awful and he needed an excuse.
Title: Re: Tattoos
Post by: trystero on September 01, 2013, 08:27:21 PM
The Vader song was better than the book.
Title: Re: Tattoos
Post by: NHA on September 03, 2013, 01:57:16 AM
Imagine a tattoo on a tree for instance, maybe that explains it better.



Although technically i guess that counts as scarification.
Title: Re: Tattoos
Post by: Wild on September 03, 2013, 05:33:56 AM
Title: Re: Tattoos
Post by: MetalJunkie999 on September 09, 2013, 05:37:42 AM
I myself have no tattoos,yet, but I can understand why to get one. Maybe it's a life lesson you learnt that you never want to forget, something that has symbolic value or just something that looks brutal...whatever reason people get tattoos I don't care, all that matters is that each time you do get a tattoo you're saying, "f*** you God! and sealing your afterlife with the Father of mankind. That scores an A+ in my books.
Title: Re: Tattoos
Post by: Annihilation on February 04, 2014, 08:14:09 AM
link (http://voices.yahoo.com/tattoos-ancient-europe-historical-look-via-archaeology-2492918.html)

An amateur article (not by me) which I posted in another thread.

In 1993, mummified bodies dating from about 2500 years ago were discovered in burial mounds in the Pazyryk valley in the High Altai Mountains of western and southern Siberia. Among them were two warriors, a male and a female, who were intricately and beautifully tattooed. Their well preserved skins show a variety of fantastical and stylized animal motifs that resemble the motifs incorporated into their jewelry, utensils, felt-work and those found in their tombs. The tattoos cover their arms, legs and shoulders and are so refined and sophisticated that "only recently could their quality be equaled in Europe" (van Dinter 2005:28). There are representations of tigers, deer, snakes, mountain goats, sheep and fish as well as mythical creatures. Analysis of the depth of the tattoos suggests that the technique used to create them was the skin pricking technique as opposed to the sewing-in technique used by Siberian tribes and the Inuit. This might indicate that this particular tattoo culture was more influenced by indigenous Southeast Asian tattooing such as that done in Burma. The quality of the tattoos rivals that found in Burma at the time and the representation of real and mythical animals is also a common feature of traditional Burmese tattoo. If these tattoo cultures are related, then we can also guess at the possible purpose of these warrior tattoos. In Southeast Asia, tattoos were considered magical and were applied for protection and good fortune while hunting and fishing, the same might be true of these Pazyryk tattoos (van Dinter 2005:25-29). "No instruments specifically designed for tattooing were found, but the Pazyryks had extremely fine needles with which they did miniature embroidery, and these were undoubtedly used for tattooing" (2006 Tattoo History). The fact that tattoos were only found on two of the warriors in the burial mound suggests that they were indicators of a special status in that society and were probably given only to important individuals. The fact that both the male and the female mummy were tattooed and buried as warriors suggests that tattooing was more strongly tied to status and role than gender.

EDIT: More on Pazyryk (http://www.archaeology.org/issues/107-features/tattoos//1381-pazyryk-mummies-altay-mountains-siberia)
Yatsenko points out that Greek accounts of the period stress that “barbarians” in Eurasia never went nude or even semi-nude in public, so most of these tattoos would probably have never been seen by others. Why endure the long and painful process of getting such dramatic tattoos if they were always covered? “I think they were for magical protection,” says Yatsenko, whose favorite Pazyryk tattoos are abstract designs found on the hands of a man who was probably a shaman. “Those tattoos were probably his spiritual weapons.”
Title: Re: Tattoos
Post by: Annihilation on February 04, 2014, 08:21:27 AM
Reflecting on ancient tattoo use in Europe, and particularly the above Pazyryk art, I am reminded of the paintings in the Chauvet Cave in France.