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Title: Who attends this forum?
Post by: fenrir on October 30, 2013, 10:30:00 PM
I'd like to know, just out of curiosity, the academic background of the people who frequently attend this forum. And your interests.  Specially artistic interests in which you are actively engaged?

I have just obtained my undergrauate degree on Computer Science.
I learned acoustic guitar during my teen years and have been learning electric guitar for about 5 years.   In order to be more than a talker I try to keep my weekly practice at at least 5 hours distributed throughout the whole week.
I've been learning piano for a few months and I study music theory, history and appreciation when I get the chance, as often as I can in between work, instrument practice and gym sessions.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: Bukkake on October 30, 2013, 10:50:59 PM
I'm Hajj Abd Al-Nabi

http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/7483.htm
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: Corpse on October 30, 2013, 11:02:31 PM
I was studying Computer Engineering until I lost all motivation, failed all my courses, and dropped out. I took a while off, and I'm currently re-taking a few courses while working as a cashier full-time. If I didn't hate cashiering so much I'd likely not have returned at all.

Besides that, I've been reading lots of Lovecraft, playing Smash Bros Melee competitively, and working out, loathe it though I do. I was given an acoustic guitar a couple months ago by a family friend, so I've been practicing that, mostly playing nostalgic songs from N64 games. I'm not the ubermensch that metal demands of me, but I don't think I'm the aspie you might think I am, either. I'm just an average depressed nerd, I suppose.

Also, what is it with all the computer science metalheads, and why are there none at my university in particular? Never had a conversation about metal in person in my life.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: crow on October 30, 2013, 11:28:12 PM

...I learned acoustic guitar during my teen years and have been learning electric guitar for about 5 years.   In order to be more than a talker I try to keep my weekly practice at at least 5 hours distributed throughout the whole week...


You'll have to do better than that :)
I played acoustic guitar for about 30 years, in all, and for many of those years, practiced 12 hours a day, every day.
I got pretty good. Here's an anomaly: whoever uploaded this to YouTube thinks it's Clapton, while others think it's Knoppfler. Some even claim it's Mason Williams, who wrote it. But it isn't any of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55A9H-PqOvY

Played, incorrectly, missing out the middle eight, with only two fingers and a thumb, on a Martin D-35.
Dat is de crow!
Haha  :)

Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: fenrir on October 31, 2013, 06:02:42 AM

...I learned acoustic guitar during my teen years and have been learning electric guitar for about 5 years.   In order to be more than a talker I try to keep my weekly practice at at least 5 hours distributed throughout the whole week...


You'll have to do better than that :)
I played acoustic guitar for about 30 years, in all, and for many of those years, practiced 12 hours a day, every day.
I got pretty good. Here's an anomaly: whoever uploaded this to YouTube thinks it's Clapton, while others think it's Knoppfler. Some even claim it's Mason Williams, who wrote it. But it isn't any of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55A9H-PqOvY

Played, incorrectly, missing out the middle eight, with only two fingers and a thumb, on a Martin D-35.
Dat is de crow!
Haha  :)

Certainly will have to do better than that, I am just saying I try to keep the minimum at 5 hours per week, when I am too busy to actually concentrate on that. 

Btw, I expected some more motivation and serious answers.  But the replies say a lot about the crowd around here, sort of disappointing after seeing everybody being so arrogant about their taste in music.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: Wild on October 31, 2013, 06:32:12 AM
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Btw, I expected some more motivation and serious answers.  But the replies say a lot about the crowd around here, sort of disappointing after seeing everybody being so arrogant about their taste in music.

What does this say about you?
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: Bukkake on October 31, 2013, 06:35:59 AM
Arrogant? I see it as people that have standards to the art form.

It's nice to have a place to talk about music without having personal accomplishments (or lack of) stigmatizing the information that's being relayed.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: fenrir on October 31, 2013, 07:20:42 AM
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Btw, I expected some more motivation and serious answers.  But the replies say a lot about the crowd around here, sort of disappointing after seeing everybody being so arrogant about their taste in music.

What does this say about you?

I may not have expressed myself clearly.  Sorry for that.

About me? It says I expected more direct answers.  I think only one guy took me seriously, haha.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: fenrir on October 31, 2013, 07:23:44 AM
Arrogant? I see it as people that have standards to the art form.

It's nice to have a place to talk about music without having personal accomplishments (or lack of) stigmatizing the information that's being relayed.

Sure, but there is still some arrogance in it. And I expected some answers that would tell me something of why you have such strict views. 
Also, I am not separating myself from "the people here".  I share this view of being selective with art. 

I did not mean to stigmatize anyone or show off any accomplishment.  I merely wanted to get an idea of the general background of people around here and if they actually have dreams/goals in art, either art they want to produce or art the expect or would wish to hear. 
The discussion could lead in all directions.  This was my intention.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: fenrir on October 31, 2013, 07:30:23 AM
I was studying Computer Engineering until I lost all motivation, failed all my courses, and dropped out. I took a while off, and I'm currently re-taking a few courses while working as a cashier full-time. If I didn't hate cashiering so much I'd likely not have returned at all.

Besides that, I've been reading lots of Lovecraft, playing Smash Bros Melee competitively, and working out, loathe it though I do. I was given an acoustic guitar a couple months ago by a family friend, so I've been practicing that, mostly playing nostalgic songs from N64 games. I'm not the ubermensch that metal demands of me, but I don't think I'm the aspie you might think I am, either. I'm just an average depressed nerd, I suppose.

Also, what is it with all the computer science metalheads, and why are there none at my university in particular? Never had a conversation about metal in person in my life.

Yeah, I know! I guess it's just because a lot of people hanging out on the internet in forums tend to study computer-related majors? so it would appear as if there are a lot of computer science metalheads.  But yeah, not in my school, at least not serious metalheads, only the kind that get to the most mainstream Megadeth albums, and that's their limit.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: Humanicide on October 31, 2013, 07:32:04 AM
My name is Humanicide, and I'm an alcoholic.


Really though, I hold a masters degree and am currently working in a profession related to my field. Schooling definitely diminished my guitar playing abilities (too much time doing busy work leaves little time for practice), but since school is done I've been getting back into it. I have an electric guitar, and I also play bass guitar. I'm only pursuing these instruments in a casual manner, and expect to never really make money with them. I'm in a band right now and possibly will be in another in the coming months. Getting back into working out regularly as my previously mentioned masters program took up a lot of my time. I'm getting too flimsy for my own liking.

Related - crow why did you just stop playing guitar after 30 years, if you don't mind me asking? I have always found guitar playing calming and even therapeutic. I'd think someone focused on calm and inner serenity such as yourself would continue such an activity.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: Wild on October 31, 2013, 09:32:01 AM
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Btw, I expected some more motivation and serious answers.  But the replies say a lot about the crowd around here, sort of disappointing after seeing everybody being so arrogant about their taste in music.

What does this say about you?

I may not have expressed myself clearly.  Sorry for that.

About me? It says I expected more direct answers.  I think only one guy took me seriously, haha.

I was more curious about the guy who calls people arrogant when they don't respond to his satisfaction.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: fenrir on October 31, 2013, 09:39:11 AM
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Btw, I expected some more motivation and serious answers.  But the replies say a lot about the crowd around here, sort of disappointing after seeing everybody being so arrogant about their taste in music.

What does this say about you?

I may not have expressed myself clearly.  Sorry for that.

About me? It says I expected more direct answers.  I think only one guy took me seriously, haha.

I was more curious about the guy who calls people arrogant when they don't respond to his satisfaction.

I didn't call you arrogant because you did not respond to my satisfaction.

I called you arrogant because all of us in agreement with the spirit of this website come off as arrogant, because we are more selective with our music.  I expect that people who are so serious about it would also give me serious answers when I ask a direct question, specially one so simple. Does that make sense?

PS. I'm including myself in the group of "arrogant" people.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: Wild on October 31, 2013, 09:45:47 AM
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I called you arrogant because all of us in agreement with the spirit of this website come off as arrogant, because we are more selective with our music.

So you think preferring quality music is indicative of an over-inflated sense of self-importance.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: trystero on October 31, 2013, 09:57:41 AM
Btw, I expected some more motivation and serious answers.

I dont want to display my life to you though, why would I?

As far as arrogance goes he is right.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: Bukkake on October 31, 2013, 10:02:38 AM
Crowdism -- self importance.

Wanna know something about me (Hajj Abd Al-Nabi) that no one else knows?

I prefer Morbid Angel's Covenant more than Morbid Angel's Blessed are the Sick!

Gosh. Here comes the firing squad.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: crow on October 31, 2013, 10:12:42 AM
What's wrong with 'arrogant', anyway? Is it worse than acne? Or nose-picking?

Humanicide:
I quit playing because I realized I'd been doing it purely to feed my own ego, right from the start.
It was all about me, and my vast need for praise and adulation from others.
That's an embarrassing thing to realize about oneself, no? It was for me.
I bought a new D-28 a few years back, but still I don't play it, beautiful instrument though it is.
Maybe one day...
Or maybe not.

Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: Wild on October 31, 2013, 10:16:08 AM
That's true for >90% of musicians today, if the money alone isn't enough.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: Bukkake on October 31, 2013, 10:21:11 AM
I suppose there are exceptions.  8)
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: trystero on October 31, 2013, 10:41:43 AM
I quit playing because I realized I'd been doing it purely to feed my own ego, right from the start.
It was all about me, and my vast need for praise and adulation from others.
That's an embarrassing thing to realize about oneself, no? It was for me.

Dont see it that way. When it was for adulation, i.e. for others to see, it was ego food, but it wasnt FOR YOU. The music I mean.

When the music is for you it is ego free.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: lost_wanderer on October 31, 2013, 10:45:36 AM
I'm a lost wanderer. The only thing you need to know about me for now is that art, be it music, drawing, writing and music have been a big part of my life and still is.

It is maybe shameless promotion but you can listen to it there.
http://incandescence1.bandcamp.com/
The downloads are free but you can pay for it if you want.

or watch it here
http://monts-et-forets.blogspot.ca/

I don't intend to make a living out of it. It's a passion. Feel free to make any commentary about it.


Also english is not my first language.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: crow on October 31, 2013, 10:55:14 AM
I quit playing because I realized I'd been doing it purely to feed my own ego, right from the start.
It was all about me, and my vast need for praise and adulation from others.
That's an embarrassing thing to realize about oneself, no? It was for me.

Dont see it that way. When it was for adulation, i.e. for others to see, it was ego food, but it wasnt FOR YOU. The music I mean.

When the music is for you it is ego free.


English is not your first-language?
"It was for me" refers to the embarrassing realization, which was embarrassing for me, it does not refer to the music, or my playing of it.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: Bukkake on October 31, 2013, 10:58:40 AM
I don't understand that logic.

Wouldn't talking about it be as 'embarrassing' as playing it then?
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: dead last on October 31, 2013, 11:07:47 AM
I've only spent about 2 months in educational institutions all of my life. I never attended a preschool, middle school, or high school. Still I managed to get a state-recognized diploma. Then I attended graphic design courses for 2 months before realizing that all I was learning was how to trick stupid people.

I've been drawing and illsutrating for 20 years, everything from landscapes to animals and plants to architecture, schematics, cartoons etc. I am good at it and always believed the idiot adults who told me I could make a good career out of that "talent". But it's not talent, it's love, and love is not a business model.

I've been playing the 6-string guitar for 10 years now, in lots of bands (faggy-core, then punk, then hardcore, then experimental rock and jazz, now single-or-double guitar compositions and death metal), recently (last year) started playing 5-string bass for a cover band for extra cash, now am more badass on bass than guitar.

Started teaching myself about music theory and composition about two years ago to learn scales and modes and better my improvisation.

Basically seft-taught all the way through in temrs of artistic ability.

As for work; I basically do whatever people will pay me for. I've been a "salesman" for the last 6 years but mostly I stick to the technical in-shop work and managing service schedules, etc. It's a good job because I have a lot of time to read books or work on illustrations. I hate convincing people that they need to buy things to be happy so I'm a terrible salesman. I really have no other skills except for basic computer knowledge (which is above the average, I've found) and I can lay tile, do plumbing work, some carpentry, little experience with concrete, and can at least change the oil and tires and fuses on my car. I can also cook just about anything.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: crow on October 31, 2013, 11:14:49 AM
I don't understand that logic.

Wouldn't talking about it be as 'embarrassing' as playing it then?


You don't understand the logic, because it has nothing to do with logic.
I am logical when I need to be. The rest of the time, logic does not serve nearly as well as insight.
I was embarrassed then, but not being a static object, I am not embarrassed now, because, through my revelation about why I was playing music, I moved on from the consciousness (or lack of it) that I had then, into the state I find myself in now, which does not include ego-indulgence or motivation.

This is good stuff, and makes up for my inadvertent sidetracking of the thread.
It also explains your less-than stellar performance at Amerika, resulting from insufficient experience to 'get' what others are writing about, or their context in doing so.

You can't make up for a lack of experience. If you could, experience would count for nothing.
It can only come with age, although age is no guarantee of experience, either.
There are plenty of ancient characters that have never experienced much, and never will.
Which seems a bit of a waste of life.

Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: crow on October 31, 2013, 11:18:19 AM
Great post, Dead Last. Makes good reading, and illustrates the sort of skillset you can acquire, just by being who you are, as opposed to paying too much attention to what others think about who you should be.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: Bukkake on October 31, 2013, 11:32:08 AM
So by the rhetoric, it's based on "insight", which is ok being "illogical", because experience is more important.

This seems rather foggy and THC laden.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: crow on October 31, 2013, 11:40:29 AM
I'm sure it does. But you might try taking my word for it, and that my intentions are good ones.
I may, once, have beat people up, just because I could, but that was then.
Now I am more interested in encouraging isolated buds to flower into verdant gardens.
Capiche?
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: NHA on October 31, 2013, 01:03:30 PM
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I'd like to know, just out of curiosity, the academic background of the people who frequently attend this forum. And your interests.

American highschool diploma, 0.5 GPA, almost straight F's. Interests include math, sodomy, and booze.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: trystero on October 31, 2013, 01:33:50 PM
English is not your first-language?
"It was for me" refers to the embarrassing realization, which was embarrassing for me, it does not refer to the music, or my playing of it.

lol what is with the snark? I am talking about the `about me` part of your sentence. About me, for me etc.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: crow on October 31, 2013, 02:36:12 PM
Snark is absent, as in: does not exist.
You don't seem to understand me, nor me you.
Not that any of it is particularly important.
I don't imagine we need worry about it.
But in case we do...

"It was for me" is actually missing a comma, between the was and the for.
Which, unsurprisingly, made you think it said "it was for me", which is what is said, had there been no context preceding it. I missed that comma because so many people ridicule my superb use of punctuation, which tells one what the words mean. I dropped the comma, and, behold, the meaning becomes ambiguous.

Oh well. You can't win.


Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: Vigilance on October 31, 2013, 02:49:03 PM
A generally boring middle classman living with the wage and lifestyle that it implies. Externally.  Otherwise I'm a fairly vibrant character painfully dissatisfied with the aforementioned conditions and as such makes plenty of room for cultivating the inner self in addition to enough booze to keep this soul just enough feral and virile to avoid abandoning the wife and animals for a uncertain ans most likely fatal life as a "rambling man."
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: crow on October 31, 2013, 03:17:25 PM
I think people like you are referred to as 'sleepers'.
You don't give Clark Kent a second glance, but Superman...
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: fenrir on October 31, 2013, 04:30:09 PM
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I called you arrogant because all of us in agreement with the spirit of this website come off as arrogant, because we are more selective with our music.

So you think preferring quality music is indicative of an over-inflated sense of self-importance.

Ideally, no.  But it often implies that as we are very aware of it.

Let me ask you something, do you feel proud of your "preferring quality music"?

Haven't many people in this forum constantly expressed themselves as superior to others because of it?

Whether this sense of self-importance is OVER-inflated o not is a matter of actually being able to select better quality music.  We may be trying really hard to choose quality music, and as far as the standard we think we follow this may be true, but what makes you so sure this is so? 
I know this is true for me.  I know to a certain degree what I consider quality music is subject to my own subjective and skewed views.  That's inevitable.  So I see this as an ever-changing, ever-growing ability or opinion.  I keep trying to learn more.

I think this little bit of arrogance is necessary to have a standard for quality in anything in a world where everybody is conformist and mediocre and you are trying to break out of it.  It is arrogant because to some point you may be wrong, you just think you are choosing the correct thing.   Many times, I'm sure this is the case.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: fenrir on October 31, 2013, 04:33:39 PM
Btw, I expected some more motivation and serious answers.

I dont want to display my life to you though, why would I?

As far as arrogance goes he is right.

And that's fine, if you don't want to share anything about yourself and discuss anything related here that's your choice, this is not what I was referring to. Do note,however,  that I was not asking for extremely specific things, something like what Humanacide answered was at most what I was expecting.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: fenrir on October 31, 2013, 04:39:45 PM
I'm a lost wanderer. The only thing you need to know about me for now is that art, be it music, drawing, writing and music have been a big part of my life and still is.

It is maybe shameless promotion but you can listen to it there.
http://incandescence1.bandcamp.com/
The downloads are free but you can pay for it if you want.

or watch it here
http://monts-et-forets.blogspot.ca/

I don't intend to make a living out of it. It's a passion. Feel free to make any commentary about it.


Also english is not my first language.

Merci!
Every time I hear Black Metal of this type, one question comes to my mind:
How much of what I hear here is on purpose being imitated from classic bands and how much of it is just the result of the musician trying to look for a sound he wants to express but is not exactly something he's heard before?
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: dead last on October 31, 2013, 04:45:06 PM
I'm Hajj Abd Al-Nabi

http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/7483.htm

So you are really a professional executioner? That is the second-most fascinating thing I've learned all day.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: Bukkake on October 31, 2013, 04:46:12 PM
 >:(

I'm a little Satan

Allahu Ackbar!
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: dead last on October 31, 2013, 04:54:09 PM
No offense intended. It is truly a gift you have, I would say. A gift, as you are blessed to be born with such fortitude and blessed to be in such a position that you can apply it to increase order in a system.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: Bukkake on October 31, 2013, 05:01:09 PM
No offense taken. Praise be to Allah!
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: fenrir on October 31, 2013, 05:12:59 PM
I've only spent about 2 months in educational institutions all of my life. I never attended a preschool, middle school, or high school. Still I managed to get a state-recognized diploma. Then I attended graphic design courses for 2 months before realizing that all I was learning was how to trick stupid people.

I've been drawing and illsutrating for 20 years, everything from landscapes to animals and plants to architecture, schematics, cartoons etc. I am good at it and always believed the idiot adults who told me I could make a good career out of that "talent". But it's not talent, it's love, and love is not a business model.

I've been playing the 6-string guitar for 10 years now, in lots of bands (faggy-core, then punk, then hardcore, then experimental rock and jazz, now single-or-double guitar compositions and death metal), recently (last year) started playing 5-string bass for a cover band for extra cash, now am more badass on bass than guitar.

Started teaching myself about music theory and composition about two years ago to learn scales and modes and better my improvisation.

Basically seft-taught all the way through in temrs of artistic ability.

As for work; I basically do whatever people will pay me for. I've been a "salesman" for the last 6 years but mostly I stick to the technical in-shop work and managing service schedules, etc. It's a good job because I have a lot of time to read books or work on illustrations. I hate convincing people that they need to buy things to be happy so I'm a terrible salesman. I really have no other skills except for basic computer knowledge (which is above the average, I've found) and I can lay tile, do plumbing work, some carpentry, little experience with concrete, and can at least change the oil and tires and fuses on my car. I can also cook just about anything.

A survivor with the kind of independence I'd like to acquire someday.
I remember you are an illustrator, I presume this is your main interest.  (I still remember your post asking for themes, for practice I think? I'm still thinking about that one)
So, musically, your interests are more in the direction of improvisation?
Do you think this also reflects your drawing/brushing style?  More like improvised sketches or spontaneous bursts controlled, planned and focus in a particular direction?
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: dead last on October 31, 2013, 06:46:59 PM
No not at all fenrir, I work the opposite way. I rarely ever play improvisationally on my guitar or keyboard, and when I do it's usually when stoned and jamming with musician friends who don't like metal, or I'm just trying to brainstorm new riff patterns. I always have some section of music composed in my head before I sit down to "jam something out".

When I work on an illustration, the same thinking cycle takes over. I am always putting all my effort into copying onto paper exactly what I see in my head. I cannot just sit at a paper and draw something interesting ex nihilo, though I have experimented with my own version of "automatic writing", which I've cleverly named "automatic drawing"... And it is what it sounds like. This just ends up as nonsense scribbles but my imagination always manages to pick some appealing shape or pattern and might give me an idea for whatever I'm trying to visualize. I also like to draw machines, fighter jets, sports cars, robots and extremely nerdy stuff like that, ever since I picked up a pencil, never grown out of it. Obviously (or not) I watched anime as a kid but thankfully just used it to fuel my drive to draw and didn't stick with it.

I also like to copy other national styles of art, like ancient Egyptian wall paintings, Japanese scrolls of battle scenes and landscapes, and use them in my own context. One example is doing a (really short) graphic novel in the style of Egyptian wall paintings. It was too weird to show many people. :(

That's more than you need probably, but eh, it's a get-to-know-eachother thread.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: trystero on October 31, 2013, 07:03:58 PM
While not addressed to me fenrir, let me attempt to answer. I must say I admire your honesty about pride.

Let me ask you something, do you feel proud of your "preferring quality music"?

Perhaps if we delve deep enough, there may be a bit of pride attached, but it is more about being true to metal music than being a special listener. There just isnt that much to be proud of here, this is not something inaccessible to people and this site exists to make it accessible. Stronger feelings would be a bit of frustration that you cant just explain to people how to listen to music after they have been trained to be passive and attend only to each moment rather than follow a progression (in simpler terms `hear riffs`).

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Haven't many people in this forum constantly expressed themselves as superior to others because of it?

No, at least I certainly hope not, but this is the impression a lot of people get. Why? Because you cant really be impersonal about something you care about and when you call the music people care about shit they FEEL (not think) its personal.

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We may be trying really hard to choose quality music, and as far as the standard we think we follow this may be true, but what makes you so sure this is so?

I dont particularly understand your thrust here. The music, when studied, has certain objective standards. These are all interpreted subjectively because we dont have any objective measure, but you can still approximate them. Furthermore, the ultimate measure of quality of music is, like any art, the potency of what it evokes. Some metal (and some other music) takes you, once deciphered, to heights unmatched.

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It is arrogant because to some point you may be wrong, you just think you are choosing the correct thing.   Many times, I'm sure this is the case.

This is not right and is the result of a relativistic outlook and lack of conviction. It is a manifestation of your own doubt. What I listen to convinces me, if there is room for second thoughts then I have not been convinced. Why should you possibly be wrong? It honestly is not that big a deal man, keep exploring the best of metal and it will convince you itself. True, a lot of people have false convictions about a lot of things, but instead of seeing it generally just look at the specific situation of metal music. All of that noise about opinions yadda yadda is just the product of warring egos.

So it does not have to be arrogance, though it can easily be perceived as such. It is just conviction.

Edit: Let me ask you a question fenrir. For the best-of list of death metal and black metal on the DLA, can you appreciate why each and every album and band is on there? Ignore the order.

Actually a bit more leeway, not each and every one but pretty much all of them. If the answer is no, which ones do you not appreciate? If the answer is yes, high five bro.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: lost_wanderer on October 31, 2013, 07:16:14 PM
I'm a lost wanderer. The only thing you need to know about me for now is that art, be it music, drawing, writing and music have been a big part of my life and still is.

It is maybe shameless promotion but you can listen to it there.
http://incandescence1.bandcamp.com/
The downloads are free but you can pay for it if you want.

or watch it here
http://monts-et-forets.blogspot.ca/

I don't intend to make a living out of it. It's a passion. Feel free to make any commentary about it.


Also english is not my first language.

Merci!
Every time I hear Black Metal of this type, one question comes to my mind:
How much of what I hear here is on purpose being imitated from classic bands and how much of it is just the result of the musician trying to look for a sound he wants to express but is not exactly something he's heard before?

It's sure that classic bands (and not just metal bands) have influenced me both consciously and inconsciously, how much, I don't know but I'm more in search of expressing a ''feeling'' and there's not a million ways to convey it, so its hard to be totally innovative. And I never try to innovate just to be different.
I use tradition both in music, in visual art, in general culture and in spirituality to nourish myself, to maintain a link with the past but I don't try to copy it ''word for word'' sot o speak. I try to make it thrive through me by injecting my vitality. If it's not good, it's just because I'm not at the top technically and spiritualy.

well, it,s hard for me to put it in words. I hope it's not to confusing.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: crow on October 31, 2013, 07:26:21 PM
Seems like a decent thread to me, and judging by its popularity among the apprentice Ubermensch, I am not alone in thinking this. They get to explore a little more about each other, as well as themselves.
Is there a better use of free computer time for a bunch of smart guys?
(Other than viewing porn, of course.)
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: fenrir on November 01, 2013, 01:53:01 AM
While not addressed to me fenrir, let me attempt to answer. I must say I admire your honesty about pride.

Let me ask you something, do you feel proud of your "preferring quality music"?

Perhaps if we delve deep enough, there may be a bit of pride attached, but it is more about being true to metal music than being a special listener. There just isnt that much to be proud of here, this is not something inaccessible to people and this site exists to make it accessible. Stronger feelings would be a bit of frustration that you cant just explain to people how to listen to music after they have been trained to be passive and attend only to each moment rather than follow a progression (in simpler terms `hear riffs`).

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Haven't many people in this forum constantly expressed themselves as superior to others because of it?

No, at least I certainly hope not, but this is the impression a lot of people get. Why? Because you cant really be impersonal about something you care about and when you call the music people care about shit they FEEL (not think) its personal.

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We may be trying really hard to choose quality music, and as far as the standard we think we follow this may be true, but what makes you so sure this is so?

I dont particularly understand your thrust here. The music, when studied, has certain objective standards. These are all interpreted subjectively because we dont have any objective measure, but you can still approximate them. Furthermore, the ultimate measure of quality of music is, like any art, the potency of what it evokes. Some metal (and some other music) takes you, once deciphered, to heights unmatched.

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It is arrogant because to some point you may be wrong, you just think you are choosing the correct thing.   Many times, I'm sure this is the case.

This is not right and is the result of a relativistic outlook and lack of conviction. It is a manifestation of your own doubt. What I listen to convinces me, if there is room for second thoughts then I have not been convinced. Why should you possibly be wrong? It honestly is not that big a deal man, keep exploring the best of metal and it will convince you itself. True, a lot of people have false convictions about a lot of things, but instead of seeing it generally just look at the specific situation of metal music. All of that noise about opinions yadda yadda is just the product of warring egos.

So it does not have to be arrogance, though it can easily be perceived as such. It is just conviction.

Edit: Let me ask you a question fenrir. For the best-of list of death metal and black metal on the DLA, can you appreciate why each and every album and band is on there? Ignore the order.

Actually a bit more leeway, not each and every one but pretty much all of them. If the answer is no, which ones do you not appreciate? If the answer is yes, high five bro.


Let's get something clear. It is not my lack of convictions that makes me doubt, but a realization that we are not perfect. Yes , there are objective standards, but people around here may be experienced listeners but not really studied in music.  I recognize my ignorance and the fact that I am constantly learning, so I recognize that I may be wrong. Yet I  still hold fast to my current standard and dismiss a lot of music as inferior. 
Can I appreciate all of them in the list? to some degree, yes, But there are some whose value I am still trying to account for (Sepultura, Morpheus Descends, Therion) to be on par with the others.  Even the Deicide album seems to be put high up on the list in a place where I think others deserve more.  I would have personally included De Profundis instead of some albums in that list.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: Vigilance on November 01, 2013, 07:08:36 AM
I think people like you are referred to as 'sleepers'.
You don't give Clark Kent a second glance, but Superman...

I never could get into the Superman Character.  You have this being of immense physical strength who can't bring himself to do more than protect decadent urbanites. I would consider that his greatest moral failing yet the weakness that is emphasized is that otherworldly mineral. He is Superman only in a physical sense, and there are thousands of those. Nothing worth looking at truthfully.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: Bukkake on November 01, 2013, 07:23:40 AM
I've been keen to Doctor Manhattan.

When he moves to Mars and isolates himself because humans are too feeble.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: Humanicide on November 01, 2013, 07:23:51 AM
Humanicide:
I quit playing because I realized I'd been doing it purely to feed my own ego, right from the start.
It was all about me, and my vast need for praise and adulation from others.
That's an embarrassing thing to realize about oneself, no? It was for me.
I bought a new D-28 a few years back, but still I don't play it, beautiful instrument though it is.
Maybe one day...
Or maybe not.

Ah, I see.

Maybe one day, you SHOULD try it again. For its previously stated meditative qualities, but also 'cause it helps to keep the mind sharp. If you're able to keep your ego in check now (which I'm assuming you can), then it shouldn't be a problem. Do it for YOU and no one else, man. (well actually you might be able to write your wife something nice; I'm sure she'd like that)

Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: Vigilance on November 01, 2013, 08:52:12 AM
Doing it for anyone or anything is probably ego maniacal. The only reason a personal free of ego should be playing a guitar is the same reason a silkworm produces silk. I would sooner expect him to chirp a suite in D minor than pluck it out on some strings.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: trystero on November 01, 2013, 11:30:30 AM
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What about the black metal albums?
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: crow on November 01, 2013, 11:57:02 AM

Maybe one day, you SHOULD try it again. For its previously stated meditative qualities, but also 'cause it helps to keep the mind sharp.


Well, I have tried to play, a few times, after that very long break, only to find my fingers don't obey me any more, and get all tangled up in the strings, and the frets do nothing but buzz and muffle. The frustration involved, easily overcomes the urge to make music, while my fingertips suffer from their lack of calluses. Martins are notorious for the high string tension, and ultra-light strings sound terrible.
As for keeping the mind sharp: I find the mind stays sharp, all by itself, unless it gets used on things that dull it. Certainly my mind stays sharp enough for me, given the limited use I put it to  :)

But who knows; playing music in an accomplished way does take commitment and discipline. It's almost a matter of starting all over again, as if from nothing. That might be a good idea. There was always a delicious sense of reward, seeing fingers flying, effortlessly, over the frets, and music appearing out of nowhere.

Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: indjaseemun on November 02, 2013, 06:50:24 AM
23 years old, started law school, hated it, dropped out, now in psychology university. Quite better. My preoccupation is, I have psychological problems. Who hasn't, in this day and age (funny fact - the world ages, yugas, etc. are not fixed linear concepts, but way more dynamic). The problem is I have some Obs. compulsivedisorders. I know I can diminish it, but don't know when I will be able to totally extinguish it.

Most people would not want their psychologist to be like that. anyway, the psychologist is not forbidden to have his own problems. He just gotta be a good professional. Plus, I plan to write

I recently published an article about the sensibility and perception in living beings, consciousness and consciousness after death in a small journal from a small psychological clinic here (4.000 thousand copies only in my small city. I love living in small city...)

If nothing works out, I sell out: I'm pretty sure I can write whatever mumbo-jumbo people are after to read these days... I'll improvise some below, but as I'm more accostumed to brazilian style, my american style self-help cliches might not be so good:

Only you can help yourself. That pretty girl on the counter, that agressive jock, that genius that you so admire (if you're lucky) or, hell, even that charming petty criminal from the movies who steals to eat like Charles Chaplin: They are all just like you. There is nothing in them that stands out from you except one thing: Their ability to plan and execute their dreams*, and most of all, their strenght.

But what is strenght? Isn't that what is known as Social Darwinism? No, this humble writer despises this chain of thought. Rather, it is your innermost essence, that nothing can corrupt. Brain lesions may seem to corrupt it, and they do, in a way, but only temporarily. Your spirit is indestructible. Remember that on your great walk through the corridors of the schools of life, and take good care of your locker. If you're dedicated, hopefully it will be more like a prestigious university where the bathrooms are fine and your locker is well locked and full of nice books (and an emergency kit), and way less like high school where you're locked in your locker or flushed in the bathroom. You choose what you own, not the other way around. I'll finish with a line from the great movie Adaptation: You are what you love, not what loves you.


Pretty good for improvising, huh? Us over verbal types gotta leak it somehow. Way better than the chuck lorre vanity cards. That guy is a writer of sitcoms, and although I enjoy watching the Big Bang Theory, (it's funny) he has plenty of bad moments, cliches, and I HATE THE FUCKING LAUGHS. THEY SHOULD BE ABOLISHED FROM SITCOMS. IT'S POINTLESS, AND DON'T SAY IT'S BECAUSE OF THE AUDIENCE, BECAUSE THEY INSERT THE LAUGHS WHEN IT'S FILMED OUTDOORS ALSO.

PS: If anyone is interested in my article, say so and I'll translate and put it here. It's quite nice.

* if you're gonna write self help bullshit, be sure to include Dreams in it
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: dead last on November 02, 2013, 07:27:42 AM
You sound like a kind of person who is willing to obfuscate knowledge of psychology for profit, but I hope it's not true. That's a bad kind of person to be, since that kind of work will confuse and muddle thousands of other less knowledgable people who are just taking steps to figure things out on their own but get bogged down by articles that masturbate their already overloaded sense of self-importance with sugary tripe like you just demonstrated.

You are also anti-ANUS? What drew you to metal/this forum? I ask out of curiosity.

Knowing nothing else about you, I can honestly say that I hope things don't work out for you.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: indjaseemun on November 02, 2013, 09:24:02 AM
I was once the editor of a short lived Brazilian Version of ANUS. But you can't go on spreading your site to people and say the name is ANUS.

I don't know if selling out to a more popular style is the same as giving bad advice and shit texts... Maybe to say more truth in the manner of pop psychology, but still keeping it real, might breathe some fresh air into people who only read self help books...

But I only meant that in writing, books are a whole different topic. OF COURSE I would not mess with people's lives in real therapy.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: dead last on November 02, 2013, 10:27:32 AM
Well that's good to know; that's as much as I expect. From this forum generally I get a sense that all of the users uphold a pretty diligent standard of honour and at least respect for the "mundanes". So what you said struck me as borderline treacherous. I guess that shows how I've already started making assumptions on a user's moral tendencies just based on them being a user here. My mistake (?).
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: indjaseemun on November 03, 2013, 03:33:49 PM
Not that I care what you think, but I meant that I am going to have no problem, if the opportunity comes, to provide psychological therapy to people by the book, as the council of psychology teaches. The person gets what is being announced.

Now on books things can go wild. Writing is more creative, and if people want to read shit, let them. I would have no problem writing wild stuff to entertain people. I need to eat.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: Madhu on November 04, 2013, 12:37:55 PM
I recently finished an undergraduate in Religious Studies. I am currently trying to secure a position in a Religious Studies PhD program. My focus is in South Asian religion, with a special interest in Tantric traditions.My long term goal is to strike a balance between teaching and researching in my field.

While, as mentioned, my current academic focus is in South Asian religion, I also hope to branch out at some point into the study of contemporary 'underground/fringe' cultures and their unique religious/occult perspectives. This will be my way of 'giving back' to the world which has given me so much throughout my youth and early adulthood (metal in particular). I hope that my work in this field will eventually produce material of interest to people with similar backgrounds.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: Wild on November 04, 2013, 12:55:59 PM
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Now on books things can go wild. Writing is more creative, and if people want to read shit, let them. I would have no problem writing wild stuff to entertain people. I need to eat.

Is that the best you could be doing with your life?
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: crow on November 04, 2013, 01:34:30 PM
Such judgmentalism. Tsk, tsk. I'm sure there are masses of people who really enjoy reading crap.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: Humanicide on November 04, 2013, 04:19:29 PM
Such judgmentalism. Tsk, tsk. I'm sure there are masses of people who really enjoy reading crap.

Ever heard of Twilight? Been done.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: indjaseemun on November 06, 2013, 04:11:35 AM
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Now on books things can go wild. Writing is more creative, and if people want to read shit, let them. I would have no problem writing wild stuff to entertain people. I need to eat.

Is that the best you could be doing with your life?

Why not? What is the limit? Who is the regulator, and what is the rule? Would you rather not smell the pretty morning in the sky, everyday? To tune in with the buzz of the bees, and fear the dreaded wolf. But that wolf is also god, for god is you and everything, and above all, Love. So Love, love unconditionally, love your neighbor, love your family like there's no tomorrow.

If not, then who? If why, then how? Questions, questions... just surrender now. Just like, just love. A just life is like a dog. A dog that never judges, and only wants to pee. Please, I beg of you, tune yourself in with the buzz of the bees.


from my upcoming book: WHY DO WE MAKE LIFE SO COMPLICATED
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: 03-04 on November 06, 2013, 05:15:29 AM
I, for one, like your self-help-style indjasseemun. I've read some crap like that, and your crap seems better than most of the other crap around. Go for it :)

I hold a BA in philosophy, that I obtained without much effort. Now, I'm enrolled in a masters, but I'm not really actively engaged. University feels much like a prison for me at this time. Like dead last described: Learning to convince idiots that you are very smart - something I'm not really interested in.

Still read like a madman, though.

So currently, I'm pretty much a full-time slacker trying to figure out what to do with his life. Not really ideal, but it could be worse.

I come from a middle-class small-town background - the definition of normal by the standards in my country. A good normal, I think, but a way of normal that's rapidly dissappearing, which pains me a great deal.

I live in the capital (which I don't like) with my girlfriend of 7 years (that I love).

Like many here, I have my creative work, that I do for the pure love of it: I've been workning on an album for 8 years (Chupacabra), that'll soon be finished (fingers crossed) - it's 'organic electronic'-music structurally/compositionally influenced by classical music and death metal. I also have a more rhytmical-electronic project (Intet). I'm learning guitar, and would like to do some metal in the future. I also make rap-music with a friend (faggotry by the standards here, but it's fun).

I write: I have a book in the works (philosophy).

That's about it.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: dead last on November 06, 2013, 05:33:32 AM
03-04: Do you have any electronic music to share? I would be really interested in hearing some. I compose a lot of electronic music too, inspired somewhat by classical but more by recent composers like Bela Bartok, Arnold Schoenberg, Lou Harrison, Frank Zappa. When I hear electronic music the first thing that comes to mind is dance music which is the most garbage thing I've ever heard and the opposite of what I use electronics for (I don't even have percussion voices in the tracks), and so I'm always excited by electronic music that is more creative than the mind-numbingly cyclical stuff that is so popular for some reason.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: Humanicide on November 06, 2013, 06:17:03 AM
Part of me thinks indjaseemun is schizophrenic, and the other part of me thinks the advice given has a simple and direct charm to it.

I guess he's a real philosopher.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: 03-04 on November 06, 2013, 06:26:03 AM
dead last: I have some old old stuff floating about the internet, that I'm frankly to embarassed to share. I'll upload some sample-tracks of my newer works when I have the time (probably tomorrow) and share, now that you're interested.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: dead last on November 06, 2013, 11:42:03 AM
Sounds great, I look forward to hearing.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: crow on November 06, 2013, 11:46:18 AM
Indeed. Even I, serial refuser of any and all cacophony that remotely resembles metal, find myself eager to listen. God help me :)
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: Imposition on November 07, 2013, 05:55:58 AM
I attend the forum less and less, as I grow older (the demographic seems to stay quite young around here). I used to write for and edit one of the tribes for a year or two. Worked hard, but could not increase visitors. Either I failed, or there just wasn't the market. (I was, however, glad when we switched over to Corrupt - this increased traffic, no doubt due to the less homo-erotic headline!). I've written the odd article for deathmetal.org (eg: http://www.deathmetal.org/news/is-death-metal-essentialist-music/).

On these forums I have been under various user names, having recently settled on 'Imposition', which is, incidentally, the name of a black metal EP I have been working on for some time and am about to let loose. Crow banned me once (no hard feelings), Conservationist banned me another time, I believe. 

I'm doing my PhD at a good university, with an eye to an academic career. It is a challenge juggling the demands of a modern grad program in a liberal university, but thankfully my area is relatively 'objective' so I can stay away from political 'hot topics'. I figure it is worthwhile to get into academia where I can make a living learning about the wonders of the natural world, while I study social theory, history, and sociology a bit myself on the side so that I can be educated about society and understand modern society, and maybe one day write about it (aside from work in my main academic area).

I played in a band for 6 years that I started with a good friend when we were dreamers in our early 20s. The band attained an underground following which enabled us to play gigs in good venues in our capital city to a decent audience by the end of it. This was extremely rewarding. It also enabled me to come out of my shell a bit, personally.

ANUS really changed the course of my life. I was studying business and then after discovering metal and, well Nietzsche, via the dark legions archive, I switched to other paths! I have, at times, decried the shift I observed in the forum towards perennialism, at the expense of other ideas, but I couldn't really care now.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: trystero on November 08, 2013, 09:45:14 AM
I prefer Morbid Angel's Covenant more than Morbid Angel's Blessed are the Sick!

how did this get missed?
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: Humanicide on November 08, 2013, 11:07:08 AM
I prefer Morbid Angel's Covenant more than Morbid Angel's Blessed are the Sick!

how did this get missed?

I don't know. But I've always thought Altars was leagues ahead of Blessed. I'd probably put Covenant slightly behind Blessed.

Prepare yourself for the onslaught of sodomy, Bukakke.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: trystero on November 08, 2013, 12:48:12 PM
It took me a while to appreciate Blessed over Altars, and honestly if you compared the weakest parts of Blessed (not much) with the strongest half of Covenant it is a fair fight. Vengeance is Mine is probably one of my favourite MA tracks.
Title: Re: Who attends this forum?
Post by: dead last on November 09, 2013, 02:41:33 PM
I thought Blessed was considered by most listeners the ultimate MA, and I can see why, but I'm weird and like Formulas almost (maybe just) as much. The closest thing to an out-of-body experience I've ever had with a metal album. Altars was the first album I heard and it proper scared me so I would rank that one pretty high too but doesn't compare to the others I mentioned.