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Title: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: fenrir on December 08, 2013, 01:42:36 AM
I for one have stated several times my preference of Zealotry's The Charnel Expanse over anything this year.

How about you guys?
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: trystero on December 08, 2013, 06:15:05 AM
Well lets get some names before we say who over what. Condor - Nadia is a definite, just had a pretty good front page interview. The first metal by the self-aware metalhead post death of metal that is actually good? Despite being maudlin in the extreme sometimes its beautiful stuff, and that comes first. I can forgive any aesthetic faux-pas if the end result is still beauty.

You know I promise myself that I will listen to some of Zealotry every time I read one of those posts of yours but never bother. I will do it now.
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: Wild on December 08, 2013, 06:50:03 AM
Add Satan and Blitzkrieg.
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: fenrir on December 08, 2013, 07:41:04 AM
Add Satan and Blitzkrieg.

I will!
What did you like about those albums so much that you hold them in high regard?
Blitzkrieg eluded me, though I think it sounded coherent.  Haven't listened to Satan's album yet.
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: trystero on December 08, 2013, 07:49:29 AM
The Satan album is probably the best heavy/speed metal of the recent past. I like Court in the Act better, but this measures up well. That is another definite. Blitzkrieg on the other hand, not really impressed by the new album. I would not put it in a best-of-year list until I was sure there were not other candidates.
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: Wild on December 08, 2013, 07:55:28 AM
"High regard" is too strong. I respect the releases to an extent for being well-crafted in their genre. For this reason, they are superior to 98% of the releases of their competition, though the NWOBHM style isn't particularly interesting to me and I have no plans to ever listen to either album again.

The Cóndor release I recognize has many positive qualities, though it does not align with my personal taste and thus I probably will not listen to it again. I'm interested in their future output.

The only releases in 2013 I'll listen to going forward are the Ildjarn split and Imprecation.


Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: Wild on December 08, 2013, 08:01:13 AM
Mentioning the Burzum album here too, though it wasn't metal. I thought it was unlistenable garbage, some people disagree.

Although I suppose I'm judging it harshly because we all know the musician behind it has contributed to some of the greatest Art of the 20th century. If we remove that history and expectation, the release probably would stand up in 2013.

That says a lot about this year.
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: dead last on December 08, 2013, 08:58:33 AM
I have been championing Nadia since it was on the front page earlier this year. Outstanding stuff, haven't stopped listening since. So, seconding the recommendation.

I'm surprised at the mention of Blitzkrieg. It is a style that is easy for me to like, so I have been listening to it a lot, but there are at least two songs on the album that are straight-forward god-fucking-awful radio rock. And then there are a couple of songs that go nowhere for every minute they are on. Also, NWOBHM with so few solos?! That's not cool, man.

Why does it deserve to be on best-of-the-year list? I'm baffled.
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: Wild on December 08, 2013, 09:06:42 AM
What would replace it?
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: fenrir on December 08, 2013, 09:21:18 AM
I have been championing Nadia since it was on the front page earlier this year. Outstanding stuff, haven't stopped listening since. So, seconding the recommendation.

I'm surprised at the mention of Blitzkrieg. It is a style that is easy for me to like, so I have been listening to it a lot, but there are at least two songs on the album that are straight-forward god-fucking-awful radio rock. And then there are a couple of songs that go nowhere for every minute they are on. Also, NWOBHM with so few solos?! That's not cool, man.

Why does it deserve to be on best-of-the-year list? I'm baffled.

I agree, I think many things this year top Blitzkrieg.
Altars, Bolzer, Heresiarch, Zealotry. 
They may be apples and oranges, but in their respective styles you can measure them up (subjectively, that is...).
I don't do "top of a particular branch".  I really want to know the best overall Metal releases.
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: Rotten Ralph on December 08, 2013, 10:30:41 AM
I reckon these ones should make it:

Summoning - Old Mornings Dawn
Imprecation - Satanae Tenebris Infinita
Satan - Life Sentence
Von - Dark Gods, Seven Billion Slaves
Scalpel - Sorrow and Skin
Birth A.D. - I Blame You
Burzum - Sôl Austan, Mâni Vestan

I think these are good too but not sure if they should make the list:

Centurian - Contra Rationem
Warbeast - Destroy
Disfigurement – Soul Rot

And these I haven't heard yet but judging from the reviews on this site they're probably worth considering:

Profanatica - Thy Kingdom Cum
Condor - Nadia
Witchblood - Blood and the Elements
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: trystero on December 08, 2013, 03:08:39 PM
I completely forgot about Summoning and Profanatica, damn. Old Mornings Dawn is not a very metal album to be honest, but it is great. Should probably collect some feedback about Thy Kingdom Cum for this thread. I have not heard it at all, nor have I encountered anyone who has except for the front page review here. I cant trust those anymore so I would appreciate if someone who has given it a good listen could chime in.
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: Imposition on December 08, 2013, 07:01:15 PM
I would nominate Lantern - 'Below' to the list.

As a side note, the Burzum album isn't metal. So how can that be included?
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: dead last on December 08, 2013, 09:06:02 PM
What would replace it?

Pfft, don't ask me dude, I'm just here to rip on stuff I don't like.
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: Wild on December 08, 2013, 09:13:05 PM
 ;D I can support that. ;D
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: trystero on December 09, 2013, 02:12:08 AM
No one has heard Thy Kingdom Cum?
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: Rotten Ralph on December 09, 2013, 07:27:04 AM

As a side note, the Burzum album isn't metal. So how can that be included?

Dead Can Dance and Lord Wind made it into last years best of because they were metal in spirit.
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: christopher on December 09, 2013, 04:35:36 PM
Like most years, the best new album this year is a Graveland album.  Thunderbolts of the Gods.

While Cold Winter Blades had a uniform heroic war-parade sound, Thunderbolts of the Gods is more complex and contemplative in mood.  There is a sense of the fright, bewilderment, and fatigue from battle.  I visualized the reflections of a warrior, near the end of a campaign, at some calm moment between battles, after having witnessed horrible things - perhaps the death of a loved one in battle.

This is complex in mood and takes the listener through a journey.  Not more enjoyable than the uniform war-parades of recent albums, but more interesting and more mature in sound.
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: dawn on December 09, 2013, 05:43:26 PM
I would vote Condor, Summoning. October Falls - The Plague of a Coming Age was good as well.
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: fenrir on December 09, 2013, 06:40:07 PM
I reckon these ones should make it:

Summoning - Old Mornings Dawn
Imprecation - Satanae Tenebris Infinita
Satan - Life Sentence
Von - Dark Gods, Seven Billion Slaves
Scalpel - Sorrow and Skin
Birth A.D. - I Blame You
Burzum - Sôl Austan, Mâni Vestan

I think these are good too but not sure if they should make the list:

Centurian - Contra Rationem
Warbeast - Destroy
Disfigurement – Soul Rot

And these I haven't heard yet but judging from the reviews on this site they're probably worth considering:

Profanatica - Thy Kingdom Cum
Condor - Nadia
Witchblood - Blood and the Elements

I'll be checking out the ones I do not know in this list.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: Annihilation on December 09, 2013, 07:15:26 PM
Profanatica seems extremely promising, Imprecation was very good. Grave Miasma's Odori Sepolcrorum has impressed me quite a bit. Summoning's always solid.
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: aquarius on December 10, 2013, 01:49:40 AM
Summoning and My Bloody Valentine, though I don't know if they're even 'metal in spirit'.
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: hell on December 10, 2013, 12:03:16 PM
My List:

KRYPTS - UNENDING DEGRADATION

ULCERATE - VERMIN

IMMOLATION - KINGDOM OF CONSPIRACY

GRAVE MIASMA - ODORI SEPULCRORUM

AOSOTH - IV AN ARROW IN HEART

SALIGIA - LUX AETERNAE (EP)

VON - DARK GODS - SEVEN BILLIONS......


for the moment...
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: trystero on December 10, 2013, 01:19:01 PM
That Immolation album is straight garbage, I lost a lot of respect for Vigna, Dolan and co. after their last two. It double sucks because I love that fucking baldy, Bob Vigna is a genius.
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: Svmmoned on December 10, 2013, 04:34:10 PM
Condor - Nadia is a definite, just had a pretty good front page interview. The first metal by the self-aware metalhead post death of metal that is actually good? Despite being maudlin in the extreme sometimes its beautiful stuff, and that comes first. I can forgive any aesthetic faux-pas if the end result is still beauty.

It's nice to read, that they are interested in such themes. It sounds promising and I believe, that they are honest people. But they made too many false steps, like their list of bands crucial to metal development. Their perception of metal is signum temporis - they can only approach to it as to a historic phenomenon. Such situation occur because everything labelled at some time as metal had to be included retrospectively into "definition" by any honest researcher. We know, that what should be perceived as "metal" differs from such perspective substantially. However, younger listeners of course want to grasp it in its entirety. It's all inclusive, because it's all past and it doesn't feel appropriate to declare some ideological war against artistic styles of the past, while back then metal was simply at war in order to set proper definition. Now they are choosing forms, same as bourgeoisie 100 years ago, when they tried to build present through historicism.

As for the music of Cóndor - their influences, their nationalistic views and all they are trying to be are absorbed by their natural hard rock sensibilities.

Summoning
Probably Graveland if it's good (haven't heard it)
Birth A.D. - I feel that nothing important was built upon their EP
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: dead last on December 10, 2013, 07:15:23 PM
Just spent a few days listening to that Satan album. Would definitely recommend over Blitzkrieg. Obviously would be redundant to have both albums on a best-of list.

EDIT: Also missed the Disfigurement album, and can't imagine why I forgot about it. Outstanding stuff, great not just in terms of modern death metal, but good at least extremely solid by any standard.
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: trystero on December 10, 2013, 09:19:02 PM
It sounds promising and I believe, that they are honest people. But they made too many false steps, like their list of bands crucial to metal development. Their perception of metal is signum temporis - they can only approach to it as to a historic phenomenon. Such situation occur because everything labelled at some time as metal had to be included retrospectively into "definition" by any honest researcher. We know, that what should be perceived as "metal" differs from such perspective substantially...

...As for the music of Cóndor - their influences, their nationalistic views and all they are trying to be are absorbed by their natural hard rock sensibilities.

I think this is too harsh, the cited list of bands is not bad. The big black metal names had a lot of straight rock influences, I dont think it matters that much. I agree with the broad sentiment in your statement though.

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Birth A.D. - I feel that nothing important was built upon their EP

Yeah, no kidding. On top of that I think the EP just sounds better too. It is still a contender in 2013 though.

dead last have you heard the first Satan album too? Should do.
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: David_Brent on December 11, 2013, 02:58:13 AM
The whole year DLA keeps us busy with nonsense like Demented doctrine, Warbeast, Kommandant, October Tide, Revel in Flesh, Hellbastard, Lifeless, Lecherous Nocturne... while there is a new Graveland?

Listening right now, sounds like the usual quality, thanks for this info christopher!
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: dead last on December 11, 2013, 08:24:20 AM
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dead last have you heard the first Satan album too? Should do.

Yes, I like their first two albums pretty well actually. It's like when I want to listen to Judas Priest and something more evil at the same time, it's perfect.

That's why I didn't listen to this new album for a while. It sounded way more tame, I thought some of the spirit would be lost. The guitar tone sounds borderline clean and the singing is very restrained, almost to the point of relaxed sometimes. Nevertheless, these were just minor quibbles with the aesthetic; I've gotten beyond my hesitation.

Would also like to second the recommendation for the Scalpel album (Sorrow & Skin). I've been listening to an older EP by them and while it is solid, S&S is a huge step up and like the Disfigurement album, good by any standard, all older and newer death metal taken into consideration. In fact I would recommend it over Soul Rot.
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: lost_wanderer on December 11, 2013, 11:50:47 AM
Has anyone eared the new Gehenna?
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: Jim Necroslaughter on December 11, 2013, 04:01:24 PM
Thanks for the lists comrades, I'm behind on my metal.  What about the new Ildjarn, did it really miss the mark?  I haven't heard it ...
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: lost_wanderer on December 11, 2013, 04:55:13 PM
Thanks for the lists comrades, I'm behind on my metal.  What about the new Ildjarn, did it really miss the mark?  I haven't heard it ...

It's not bad but it definitively not as good as his other works.
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: Vigilance on December 11, 2013, 05:43:37 PM
Summoning - Old Mornings Dawn
Imprecation - Satanae Tenebris Infinita
Birth A.D. - I Blame You
Von - Dark Gods, Seven Billion Slaves
Profanatica - Thy Kingdom Cum
Cultes Des Ghoules - Henbane


These six have not only held up to repeated listens, but I've found myself wanting to go back to them. Scalpel is awful to me, though I can see why many like it. All NWOBH is once in a blue moon music. Condor wasn't bad. I wouldn't mind seeing a bit more refinement and some dynamic pacing.
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: dead last on December 11, 2013, 07:30:03 PM
Summoning - Old Mornings Dawn
Imprecation - Satanae Tenebris Infinita
Birth A.D. - I Blame You
Von - Dark Gods, Seven Billion Slaves
Profanatica - Thy Kingdom Cum
Cultes Des Ghoules - Henbane


These six have not only held up to repeated listens, but I've found myself wanting to go back to them. Scalpel is awful to me, though I can see why many like it. All NWOBH is once in a blue moon music. Condor wasn't bad. I wouldn't mind seeing a bit more refinement and some dynamic pacing.

The Von album from last year was garbage. Is this year's album that much of an improvement?
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: Vigilance on December 11, 2013, 07:44:13 PM
Yes. I hated von with the exception of one song prior.
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: dead last on December 11, 2013, 08:02:50 PM
Interesting. Will give it a listen. Thanks.

Also, been listening to Thy Kingdom Come a lot since download was provided the other day. I'm not acquainted with Profanatica (not being a black metal fan in general) but this sounds pretty solid so far. Unfortunately I don't know of many other BM albums to compare it to this year, but it definitely gets the spirit of the music right. Musicianship is passable at least. Cover art is awesome. Otherwise the album must have some merit if someone as anti-BM as myself can understand it. Not sure how it deserves to be on a year-end list compared to some of the other great stuff already recommended.
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: trystero on December 11, 2013, 08:30:57 PM
If you enjoyed that you will probably enjoy the much superior Profanatitas de Domonatia.
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: hell on December 12, 2013, 04:19:12 AM
Cultes Des Ghoules - Henbane is less than Haxan so I did not want to name (my opinion).
so also
Darkened Nocturn Slaughtercult - Necrovision , was not as superior as their previous work, the other does not convince me yet and I'm listening to more than once is to Nocturnal Graves (is more D666).
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: Vigilance on December 12, 2013, 06:01:37 AM
Interesting, Hell, I thought henbane corrected the "Where are the riffs?" Problem of Haxan.
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: dead last on December 12, 2013, 07:09:27 AM
If you enjoyed that you will probably enjoy the much superior Profanatitas de Domonatia.

Will listen, thanks.
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: fenrir on December 12, 2013, 10:33:39 AM
My List:

KRYPTS - UNENDING DEGRADATION

ULCERATE - VERMIN

IMMOLATION - KINGDOM OF CONSPIRACY

GRAVE MIASMA - ODORI SEPULCRORUM

AOSOTH - IV AN ARROW IN HEART

SALIGIA - LUX AETERNAE (EP)

VON - DARK GODS - SEVEN BILLIONS......


for the moment...

I got to disagree here...
Von and Krypts sound nice aesthetically, but I do not think they strike real gold.
Ulcerate is.. well cool experimentation, leave it at that.
Immolation is clutching at its own past but cannot reach it.  This album seems to be trying hard to be Here in After but with more catchy sections and simpler structures.
I found Grave Miasma ok for a spin, but I don't even find an original voice in there. Too generic.

Aosoth and Saligia, I have yet to listen.
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: dawn on December 12, 2013, 12:52:50 PM
That Immolation album is straight garbage, I lost a lot of respect for Vigna, Dolan and co. after their last two. It double sucks because I love that fucking baldy, Bob Vigna is a genius.

They've definitely lost their edge.

Most of these best-of lists in recent years seem to be dominated by bands that sound like either Incantation or Havohej/Profanatica, bands I never enjoyed at all. I wonder if such a basic style is just easier to pull off convincingly or what. It's why I definitely give my vote to Summoning; a refined style like that takes much more care and dedication to do effectively than yet another "Onward to Golgotha" worship fest.
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: dead last on December 12, 2013, 08:06:10 PM
My List:

KRYPTS - UNENDING DEGRADATION

ULCERATE - VERMIN

IMMOLATION - KINGDOM OF CONSPIRACY

GRAVE MIASMA - ODORI SEPULCRORUM

AOSOTH - IV AN ARROW IN HEART

SALIGIA - LUX AETERNAE (EP)

VON - DARK GODS - SEVEN BILLIONS......


for the moment...

I got to disagree here...
Von and Krypts sound nice aesthetically, but I do not think they strike real gold.
Ulcerate is.. well cool experimentation, leave it at that.
Immolation is clutching at its own past but cannot reach it.  This album seems to be trying hard to be Here in After but with more catchy sections and simpler structures.
I found Grave Miasma ok for a spin, but I don't even find an original voice in there. Too generic.

Aosoth and Saligia, I have yet to listen.

Do check out Aosoth IV, it is very solid. Sounds like older Deathspell Omega, but quite a lot more coherent. Not sure about it being end-of-year list material though.
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: Faustian on December 13, 2013, 10:19:08 AM
Someone, somewhere is lying about quality, because these are all contenders:

Abyssal- Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius
Oblivion- Called to Rise
Vorum- Poisoned Void
Cultes Des Ghoules- Henbane
Centurian- Contra Rationem
Remains- …Of Death
Suffocation- Pinnacle of Bedlam
Krypts- Unending Degradation
Khand- The Fires of Celestial Ardour
Sinistrous Diabolus- Total Doom//Desecration
Brutality- Ruins of Humans
Lifeless- Godconstruct
Slaughterday- Cosmic Horror
Lecherous Nocturne- Behold Almighty Doctrine
Goatcraft- All For Naught
A Transylvanian Funeral- Gorgos Goetia
October Tide- Tunnel of No Light
Irkallian Oracle- Grave Ekstasis
Morgengrau- Extrinsic Pathways
Birth A.D.- I Blame You
Revel in Flesh- Manifested Darkness
Hod- The Uncreated Demo
Aosoth- IV: Arrow in Heart
Eternal Rest- Prophetic
Plaga- Magia gwiezdnej entropii
Immolation- Kingdom of Conspiracy
Thou Art Lord- The Regal Pulse of Lucifer
Burzum – Sôl austan, Mâni vestan
Imprecation- Satanae Tenebris Infinita
Gevurah- Necheshirion
Pasadena Napalm Division- Self-Titled
Lantern- Below
Summoning- Old Morning’s Dawn
Zealotry- The Charnel Expanse
Autopsy- The Headless Ritual
Deeds of Flesh- Portals to Canaan
Graveland- Thunderbolts of the Gods
Serocs- The Next
Beyond- Fatal Power of Death
Abominant- Onward to Annihilation
Impiety- The Impious Crusade
Cóndor- Nadia
Grave- Morbid Ascent
Gorguts- Colored Sands
Scalpel- Sorrow and Skin
The Ruins of Beverast- Blood Vaults
Grave Miasma- Odori Sepulcrorum
Disfigurement- Soul Rot
Master- The Witchhunt
Ildjarn/Hate Forest- Those Once Mighty Fallen
Cosmic Church- Ylistys
Temple of Baal- Verses of Fire
War Master- The End of Humanity
Lorn- Subconscious Metamorphosis
Convulse- Evil Prevails
Pestilence- Obsideo
Nocturnal Graves- …from the Bloodline of Cain
Deicide- In the Minds of Evil

And which of these could possibly be worthy? Perhaps Summoning. Metal is a wasteland, and as such, wastes time, and for what? So we can say, "that was okay" and move on.
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: trystero on December 14, 2013, 12:22:43 AM
Now that is the kind of list you take an axe to with relish:

Birth A.D.- I Blame You
Imprecation- Satanae Tenebris Infinita
Lantern- Below **
Summoning- Old Morning’s Dawn
Zealotry- The Charnel Expanse *
Autopsy- The Headless Ritual *
Graveland- Thunderbolts of the Gods
Cóndor- Nadia
Ildjarn/Hate Forest- Those Once Mighty Fallen

* Not heard the full album; based on the recommendations of others.
** As above, but not a contender in my opinion.

Metal is a wasteland, but to answer for-what, to raise and praise the best. No one else will do it. I dont understand the defeatist attitude, the sweep of history is broad. Maybe there wont be any great metal again in our lifetimes even. So what? If I can convince one person towards quality metal that is enough. INTJ syndrome in action gets painful to listen to, like eavesdropping on revolutionaries. Add chill.
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: David_Brent on December 14, 2013, 11:46:52 AM
The Unholy Trinity:

1. Satan - Life Sentence
2. Summoning - Old Mornings Dawn
3. Imprecation - Satanae Tenebris Infinita
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: Faustian on December 14, 2013, 02:25:25 PM
No one else will do it.

This is the problem. Even Jeff A.D. is supporting some also-rans on his best-of list. The amount of crap that has been called "must listen to" this year is staggering.

I create music in opposition to this, but it won't be out for a while.
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: death metal black metal on December 14, 2013, 03:39:27 PM
Leap into life here:

If you're in a band, have a label, distro, radio show, friends, etc. you're going to have people close to you in the industry.

They're going to put out some sub-standard stuff.

You have two choices:

1. Socially wrong, artistcally/realistically correct: don't mention it, don't support it, don't endorse it.
2. Socially correct, economically correct: put it on your best-of=nnnn list and tell people how great it is.

This is a real problem when they're your friends for several decades. You didn't like the latest, bro? -- none of us really want to say it sucks.

But something like that is what's required. Our society is just too immature for that. And people are too prole-ish to realize that lying about something means that a lack of faith arrangement is created which will lead to greater abandonment later.

Oh well.

DMU stays apart at great expense. We don't get social with people, and we try to be super-functional. To most it appears cold, unfeeling, perhaps Aspie-ish. But the fact is that it's the price of our freedom to say what we need to.

If we didn't exercise this option, and didn't have troubling views, we'd be famous and rich on the nu-popularity contest that is the internet. We choose being right instead.

The downside of this: we hate almost everything.

The upside: praise from us is worth 100x more than from any other site, hence the weird ability DMU has to be a kingmaker.

Over the last 20+ years, we've done a lot of good with this. (We = site founders + a changing cast of volunteers who do all the hard work.)

Am I ambivalent about this? Sometimes it makes me sad. I'd like to be friends with people in the underground more. But I'd just disappoint them so I stay away.

Are there other times I feel good about it? Most of the time. These end of year lists really bring it out, though; seeing writers who should know better listing their advertisers' crap output, fully knowing they'd never listen to it except at work, makes me feel better about keeping independence.

But one in a thousand people will understand why.
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: fenrir on December 14, 2013, 09:05:32 PM
The Unholy Trinity:

1. Satan - Life Sentence
2. Summoning - Old Mornings Dawn
3. Imprecation - Satanae Tenebris Infinita

these are some of the best, I agree!
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: Jim Necroslaughter on December 15, 2013, 08:43:21 AM
If anybody wants to upload of any of their favorites, don't let me stop you - Satan, Von, Ildjarn, wink wink nudge nudge saynomore
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: Zodijackyl on December 15, 2013, 09:55:27 AM
Manzer - Light of the Wreckers

Black/thrash going on heavy metal, I'm not sure how to describe it concisely but it's great.
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: dead last on December 15, 2013, 11:55:07 AM
If anybody wants to upload of any of their favorites, don't let me stop you - Satan, Von, Ildjarn, wink wink nudge nudge saynomore

Is she a goer? Does she go? Eh?

The Satan album can be found on TPB. Not able to find the Von album yet but will report if it turns up.
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: Wild on December 15, 2013, 12:01:19 PM
Uploading recent releases could get the forum in trouble.
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: dead last on December 15, 2013, 04:32:21 PM
*whistles nonchalantly*

http://www.bunalti.com/?p=269875

Von - Dark Gods...
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: KingdomGone on December 15, 2013, 06:16:19 PM
The ones that stood out for me were Burzum and Satan.

Satan evokes alive the spirit of the past (NWOBHM) and crafts an album that persists while others fall. An album you can listen to from start to finish without getting bored like the classic albums of metal that moulded this art form.

Burzum makes an old-school album out of new ingredients. The athmosphere is chilling, dark but also relaxing, like the old Burzum sounds were but just with a new interface.

Other honorable acts:

Black Sabbath - 13
Summoning - Old Morning's Dawn
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: aquarius on December 16, 2013, 04:44:38 PM
With Burzum I hoped more for 'Tomhet' -styled compositions of an exquisite hypnotic character.

Graveland sounded pretty damn good actually. Still got those Vlad Tepes sounding riffs.

Profanatica and VON is music that should be direct but isn't. I'm just not getting it.

Summoning have produced their best work since Dol Guldur.

Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: metalcore on December 17, 2013, 04:22:24 AM
The Unholy Trinity:

1. Satan - Life Sentence
2. Summoning - Old Mornings Dawn
3. Imprecation - Satanae Tenebris Infinita

Those are the non-surprises from the forthcoming DMU list.

It's clear what will NOT be on it:

Immolation - Majesty and Coprophagia

Beyond - Fatal Power of Deathy Fatal Death

Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: thrust on December 17, 2013, 09:42:43 AM
Horn - Konflikt 
Sacriphyx - The Western Front
Zemial - Nykta

H https://mega.co.nz/#!iEAWmKSC!UyHYUUqdpMl3YNlF01_Rqzltnr421VFAY1j7WeuirpU (https://mega.co.nz/#!iEAWmKSC!UyHYUUqdpMl3YNlF01_Rqzltnr421VFAY1j7WeuirpU)
S https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfNw-5kYgIs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfNw-5kYgIs)
Z http://hellsheadbangers.bandcamp.com/album/nykta (http://hellsheadbangers.bandcamp.com/album/nykta)

Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: Angel of Disease on December 17, 2013, 01:27:09 PM
No releases this year held my attention after one or two listens. 2013 was rather boring.
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: trystero on December 18, 2013, 03:31:58 AM
The upside: praise from us is worth 100,000x more than from any other site, hence the weird ability DMU has to be a kingmaker.

Too true. Never lose this Brett or we will find you.
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: Jim Necroslaughter on December 18, 2013, 01:31:41 PM
The upside: praise from us is worth 100,000x more than from any other site, hence the weird ability DMU has to be a kingmaker.

Too true. Never lose this Brett or we will find you.
The more there is of something the less it is worth, the less there is of something the more it is worth.  Ironclad law of value.
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: Tree on December 20, 2013, 09:36:50 PM
Why does Satan - Life Sentence meet the approval of anyone here? By that I mean, since when is verse-chorus song structure excusable, let alone worthy of praise? I just listened to this album and I found the rigidity of structure unappealing and condemnable.
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: fenrir on December 21, 2013, 12:30:24 AM
Why does Satan - Life Sentence meet the approval of anyone here? By that I mean, since when is verse-chorus song structure excusable, let alone worthy of praise? I just listened to this album and I found the rigidity of structure unappealing and condemnable.

I think this site is often misunderstood by the short-sightedness of other people.  deathmetal.org has never had anything against verse-chorus structure IN PARTICULAR (attention, please).  In the instances in which verse-chorus structure has been damned in here is when it is a further simplification of an already-void music.  Sometimes the grandeur of a band lied in its structural development, so when they turn to verse-chorus structure, this is lost.  If you read more reviews in this website (particularly the BM and Grindcore ones, being more minimalistic) you will find albums being praised which have verse-chorus structure.

Satan uses strict verse-chorus structure and adheres to other conventions they choose and  I think they produce a coherent album in a consistent style in which they express themselves excellently.
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: ksava on December 21, 2013, 03:51:09 AM
Rudra also released an album this year. Has anyone heard it?
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: Tree on December 21, 2013, 07:14:41 AM
Why does Satan - Life Sentence meet the approval of anyone here? By that I mean, since when is verse-chorus song structure excusable, let alone worthy of praise? I just listened to this album and I found the rigidity of structure unappealing and condemnable.

I think this site is often misunderstood by the short-sightedness of other people.  deathmetal.org has never had anything against verse-chorus structure IN PARTICULAR (attention, please).  In the instances in which verse-chorus structure has been damned in here is when it is a further simplification of an already-void music.  Sometimes the grandeur of a band lied in its structural development, so when they turn to verse-chorus structure, this is lost.  If you read more reviews in this website (particularly the BM and Grindcore ones, being more minimalistic) you will find albums being praised which have verse-chorus structure.

Fair enough, I understand. However...

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Satan uses strict verse-chorus structure and adheres to other conventions they choose and  I think they produce a coherent album in a consistent style in which they express themselves excellently.

Regardless of any other aspect of the music, the verse-chorus song structures ruin the experience for me. I mean...why does anyone do this? If they can write cool riffs then I hold them up to the standard that they can deviate from the most basic song structure, but I think that all ten songs were exactly the same in this aspect. Riffs mean nothing to me when they are packaged and organized this way. The music becomes entertainment, not art. I demand more!
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: dead last on December 21, 2013, 07:25:13 AM
Regarding fenrir's last post: As I read the archived reviews here at DMU, I did notice that albums were judged as a whole based on their continuity and coherence. Most album reviews are done on a song-by-song basis but you'll notice that none of the reviews on DMU mention that you should probably skip such and such a song, or that these few tracks are mostly filler, or that there is a standout song that you'll want to hear over and over... No, they insist that the album is the art form, and songs are constituents. When you consider it that way, it makes perfect sense to use verses and refrains and cadenzas to structure all of the songs, because after all, they are only about 3-to-5 minutes long, and that is not a lot of time to introduce and develop themes and variations.

Am I getting this about right?
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: death metal black metal on December 21, 2013, 07:31:38 AM
Two quick arguments:

[1] Genre is important. NWOBHM lives by different standards than "speed metal proper" starting with (really) the second Metallica album. Verse-chorus and some rock-based stuff is normal here, so it doesn't make sense to impose outside-genre standards within the genre.

[2] We shouldn't formalize our methods to the point where they become calcified. It's obvious that song development moves up an index of stylistic technique toward the classical standard, and drops back a little but gets headier with modernist classical; however, sometimes two good riffs and a clear evocative message go a long way.

Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: Tree on December 21, 2013, 09:37:46 PM
Two quick arguments:

[1] Genre is important. NWOBHM lives by different standards than "speed metal proper" starting with (really) the second Metallica album. Verse-chorus and some rock-based stuff is normal here, so it doesn't make sense to impose outside-genre standards within the genre.

Normalcy does not exclude the idea in question from criticism.

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[2] We shouldn't formalize our methods to the point where they become calcified. It's obvious that song development moves up an index of stylistic technique toward the classical standard, and drops back a little but gets headier with modernist classical; however, sometimes two good riffs and a clear evocative message go a long way.

I am conflicted about this topic. I cannot find a justification for this level of lack of creativity. What was the artist's purpose in choosing verse-chorus structure for every song? Was there a goal, did it accomplish something or enrich the songs or album? Am I missing the point?
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: trystero on December 21, 2013, 10:48:14 PM
I do believe you are Tree, otherwise how can you let go and appreciate the very essence, the difficult to express (except in poetic platitude) core of the music? Folk melodies (not modern folk music) and songs are simple affairs, but they touch deeply, their art remains intact despite their simplicity. Satan is the folk music of the british isles.

I have always feared the emphasis put here on classical music for this reason. A systemizing approach is the death of both art and the appreciation of art. This is different from analysis, which is a useful tool.
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: Tree on December 22, 2013, 08:22:36 AM
I do believe you are Tree, otherwise how can you let go and appreciate the very essence, the difficult to express (except in poetic platitude) core of the music? Folk melodies (not modern folk music) and songs are simple affairs, but they touch deeply, their art remains intact despite their simplicity. Satan is the folk music of the british isles.

I greatly appreciate the art of song, I do. Verses and refrains are great! Nonetheless, I do not see why they did not vary the song structures even slightly throughout the album. There is more than one way to write a song! I guess that one framework was more than enough for them to express themselves...? Bah, their extremity bothers me though >:( And I am not just picking on Satan, I am irked when other bands do this too.

The thesis in your last sentence interests me, but evades me.

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I have always feared the emphasis put here on classical music for this reason. A systemizing approach is the death of both art and the appreciation of art. This is different from analysis, which is a useful tool.

I am not trying to systematize my approach. Verse-chorus structure is not inherently bad. The judgement is conditional, it depends on the nature of the music and what the artist wishes to express. I do start to question bands when it appears that they can ONLY write in one strict format, however.
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: trystero on December 25, 2013, 07:52:44 AM
Fair enough mate, I was mostly just whining :D
Title: Re: Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
Post by: death metal black metal on December 25, 2013, 08:36:47 PM
http://www.deathmetal.org/forum/index.php/topic,18001.0.html