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Title: Sacramentum - Far Away From the Sun
Post by: dead last on January 05, 2014, 04:34:52 PM
http://youtu.be/cQXEoGoiQfs (http://youtu.be/cQXEoGoiQfs)

Just started listening to this album as part of my expansion into slightly-less-well-known originary black metal.

The melody is not afraid to stray toward more major structures. The atmosphere is not purely black-drenched-evil, it is more empowering and majestic than the more maniacal ranting of Mayhem. Still has the theatricality of Nightside Eclipse but no over-long or excessively flashy phrases.

And, while I finish writing this, the track number (in my MediaMonkey player) of this song happens to be 666.
Title: Re: Sacramentum - Far Away From the Sun
Post by: KingdomGone on January 06, 2014, 01:38:47 PM
I just love this stuff. Pure northern freezingly melancholy melodic black/death metal a'la atthegatessentenceddissectionuuhhhh...
Title: Re: Sacramentum - Far Away From the Sun
Post by: aquarius on January 06, 2014, 05:07:12 PM
http://youtu.be/cQXEoGoiQfs (http://youtu.be/cQXEoGoiQfs)

Just started listening to this album as part of my expansion into slightly-less-well-known originary black metal.

The melody is not afraid to stray toward more major structures. The atmosphere is not purely black-drenched-evil, it is more empowering and majestic than the more maniacal ranting of Mayhem. Still has the theatricality of Nightside Eclipse but no over-long or excessively flashy phrases.

And, while I finish writing this, the track number (in my MediaMonkey player) of this song happens to be 666.

Yes it is a great album. Always reminds me of a more 'heavy metal' sounding In the Nightside Eclipse.
Title: Re: Sacramentum - Far Away From the Sun
Post by: dead last on January 06, 2014, 05:52:36 PM
To really stick my neck out, I would even say that modern Krallice albums carry out this method of intertwining, serpentine riffs that spiral and augment or conflict within each other. I won't argue that Krallice does the style more tastefully... just an observation. But yes, the heavy-metalness is very evident in the sense of epic structure and obvious melody. A valuable synthesis of atmospheres and techniques, this.

Any more recommendations along these lines would be much appreciated. Hell, I'll even give you a cookie.
Title: Re: Sacramentum - Far Away From the Sun
Post by: Invisible Sandwich on January 06, 2014, 11:18:24 PM
I think the 'obvious' recommendation after one has listened to Sacramentum is usually Slaughtersun by Dawn, which plays around with much of the same style. They play lengthier songs, and although I'm not intimately familiar with the album; what I've listened to seems to have an overextension problem that keeps it from being top tier. Witchcraft by Obtained Enslavement is also worth a spin if you like this sort of metal - aesthetically it runs a bit closer to Emperor.

Anyways, I can't really think of many albums that indulge in polyphony and counterpoint as much as Sacramentum. One part of this is that making substantial use of the technique requires some music knowledge beyond what a lot of black metal does. Another possibility is that in substyles closer to traditional heavy metal, the urge to regress or otherwise streamline would be far more difficult for musicians to control.
Title: Re: Sacramentum - Far Away From the Sun
Post by: Rotten Ralph on January 07, 2014, 04:07:17 AM
I think the 'obvious' recommendation after one has listened to Sacramentum is usually Slaughtersun by Dawn, which plays around with much of the same style.

I recently gave Slaughtersun a listen after it was mentioned on the news section that this was the band's apex and it I'm really impressed with it. I always thought the first album was decent but I now have a lot more respect for this band after heaing this epic release. Not as good as Sacramentum but way better than Dissection in terms of melodic black metal.
Title: Re: Sacramentum - Far Away From the Sun
Post by: death metal black metal on January 07, 2014, 05:59:31 AM
Dissection is best understood as heavy metal.

Try also the first Eucharist album. Has the same deadlights rhythm that ATG made famous.
Title: Re: Sacramentum - Far Away From the Sun
Post by: Vigilance on January 07, 2014, 10:32:17 AM
I agree with the assessment of slaughtersun which stated accurately that the song lengths overstay their welcome. Individual ideas for that matter tend to linger a bit longer than they should which hampers the experience significantly. This is a problem dissection avoided on their first release which I'll continue to hold in higher regard than Dawn. I don't think it's fair to compare FAFTS to dissection as, to my tin ears, the intent is different from Dissection, despite stylistic similarities. I think Dawn had more to say musically than they did artistically, so what you get is a good sense of their feelings towards metal in their objectification into sound rather than emotion produced by extra-musical experience/perception.
Title: Re: Sacramentum - Far Away From the Sun
Post by: trystero on January 07, 2014, 12:22:03 PM
The stuff to listen to after Far Away From The Sun is the earlier demo, Finis Malorum. Moonfog and Devide et Empera are glorious tracks that I think nothing on FaftS can really top (as an individual track). Moonfog especially has this beautiful extended melody that ends in the lower registers rather than just keeping on going higher like pretty much every single metal band. Beautiful, elegant, but a bit clumsy as it is both a demo and they were quite young musicians. Very glad to hear you have finally given the album a good listen dead last. More rewards await with more black metal.
Title: Re: Sacramentum - Far Away From the Sun
Post by: dead last on January 07, 2014, 01:07:09 PM
Thanks gents, I will definitely make sure Slaughtersun gets a few good spins soon.

Trystero; I also have that Finis Malorum EP, and started listening to it unintentionally as my media player just went into it since it is next on the list after FAFTS ends. Does sound good so far, will keep listening.
Title: Re: Sacramentum - Far Away From the Sun
Post by: wEEman33 on January 07, 2014, 10:30:03 PM
Dissection is heavy metal.

Sacramentum is black metal.
Title: Re: Sacramentum - Far Away From the Sun
Post by: iddqd on January 09, 2014, 07:05:35 AM
Far Away from the Sun is one of my desert island albums, and maybe my pick for best Black Metal album - ever. This album is a perfect example of the distinction between melodic and melodious, the latter being the more correct term to describe the "melodic" death metal style that Gothenberg made famous. With Sacramentum, the melodic phrases are the most important element, and if you want to make Classical Romantic Period allusions, you do it here, with sweeping, epic melodies that tastefully narrate a blasting Swedish DM style, painted with a black metal brush, while never succumbing to boring, backward thinking melodic styles of earlier hard rock and heavy metal - think of the second Unanimated LP with the dumb soloing as an example of how to do it wrong.
Title: Re: Sacramentum - Far Away From the Sun
Post by: lost_wanderer on January 09, 2014, 02:30:55 PM
the sequel:  ''far away from the light''

http://www.postedecoute.ca/catalogue/cover/xlarge/327747.jpg
Title: Re: Sacramentum - Far Away From the Sun
Post by: dead last on January 09, 2014, 06:41:23 PM
the sequel:  ''far away from the light''

http://www.postedecoute.ca/catalogue/cover/xlarge/327747.jpg

Trve Black Metal!
Title: Re: Sacramentum - Far Away From the Sun
Post by: trystero on January 11, 2014, 07:20:45 AM
Songwriting (structuring songs around lyrical etc. content) is all over the place though on this album. No duds, all great songs, but not as good in that department as say, Infester, Burzum, even Immortal. About half of the songs are just sort of Dissection-y when it comes to overall structure. To their credit, little feels incomplete, but this could have been a greater album than it was. The promise of Finis Malorum was, imo, not fully realized.
Title: Re: Sacramentum - Far Away From the Sun
Post by: Rotten Ralph on January 12, 2014, 03:54:13 AM
Not sure if that Dawn album is holding up now. Some of it does seem way too repetitive. But I really enjoy the epic feeling of the last track. I think it's good for an occasional listen.

Don't miss out on the second Sacramentum album Coming of Chaos. This is another album that you can keep coming back to for years without it getting boring. It's a bit of a different style to the first album with more death metal and speed metal thrown in the mix but that was probably a good idea when you've already hit gold with your debut. Another A class album.
Title: Re: Sacramentum - Far Away From the Sun
Post by: death metal black metal on January 13, 2014, 02:29:26 PM
After Far Away From the Sun, Sacramentum went back to their roots.

I think this band is one of those bands that is so intensely and deeply embedded in its own vision that very few people can form in themselves the desire to want to understand it and figure it out.

This is why it remains a well-known secret: it's over the heads of most people, without trying to be complex, but simply by being honest.
Title: Re: Sacramentum - Far Away From the Sun
Post by: trystero on January 14, 2014, 04:22:52 AM
I think this band is one of those bands that is so intensely and deeply embedded in its own vision that very few people can form in themselves the desire to want to understand it and figure it out.

...also its really loud and distorted.

It is only meant for a few people, at most 1/4th of humanity at any given time, in reality a lot less. The roadblocks of metal were deliberate and served their purpose well. Problems always occured from the outside-in.
Title: Re: Sacramentum - Far Away From the Sun
Post by: aquarius on January 27, 2014, 05:29:42 PM
Just listened to this again the other day and I don't know how or why I could compare it to In the Nightside Eclipse (perhaps the cover art?), it's probably more like a swedish parallel of Immortal if the truth be told. And it's a real shame the majority of black metal didn't take influence from this unique technical melodic style, as there really is a lot to be learned in it. The misinterpreted influence of ultra-minimalist albums like Transylvanian Hunger was probably the worst thing that happened to black metal.
Title: Re: Sacramentum - Far Away From the Sun
Post by: August on February 06, 2014, 04:17:08 PM
This is a weird parallel but this record is a lot like the Blind Guardian album Imaginations From The Other Side, insofar as instant satisfaction moments are almost completely absent in favor of a deeper and more lasting experience*. Listen to any one minute strech on IFTOS and it will sound boring, but take in the whole album and you will realize that they remember what they played five minutes ago and also know what they will do five minutes ahead. You can say that the songs themselves are the riffs in the album song.

Most similar bands like Dissection failed because they didn't dare to have this patience in songwriting which is a shame because the style has a lot of promise.

* "But this is the case with all good music". Well yes, but an album like e.g. A Blaze In The Northern Sky is good because it's composed of brilliant riffs that also happen to fit together reasonably well; it feels more like a work of intuition which makes it different from the farsighted FAFTS.
Title: Re: Sacramentum - Far Away From the Sun
Post by: Mithrandir on November 20, 2015, 11:30:36 AM
I liked blackened deathmetal.
Title: Re: Sacramentum - Far Away From the Sun
Post by: TheDarkMagus on December 13, 2015, 08:01:19 PM
To really stick my neck out, I would even say that modern Krallice albums carry out this method of intertwining, serpentine riffs that spiral and augment or conflict within each other. I won't argue that Krallice does the style more tastefully... just an observation. But yes, the heavy-metalness is very evident in the sense of epic structure and obvious melody. A valuable synthesis of atmospheres and techniques, this.

Any more recommendations along these lines would be much appreciated. Hell, I'll even give you a cookie.
I'd definitely recommend Vinterland's Welcome to my Last Chapter.  Abigor's Nachthymnen is also great if you haven't listened to it already.  They both capture the freezing melancholy atmosphere of bands like Dissection and Sacramentum.
Title: Re: Sacramentum - Far Away From the Sun
Post by: Tree on December 14, 2015, 10:29:01 AM
I'd definitely recommend Vinterland's Welcome to my Last Chapter.  Abigor's Nachthymnen is also great if you haven't listened to it already.  They both capture the freezing melancholy atmosphere of bands like Dissection and Sacramentum.

My initial impression of Welcome My Last Chapter was that Vinterland really abused the typical emotional / epic chord progression. That chord progression, combined with copious blast beats, gave the impression of something grand and climactic, urgent and epiphanic, but the music came across as one-dimensional and somewhat empty. Their emotion seemed to lack a point or a context.

I have not heard Nachthymnen, so I cannot comment on that album, but I would recommend the song "Universe of Black Divine" from the first Abigor album to fans of Far Away from the Sun. I think that that song is very well structured. I have heard the rest of Verwüstung but I don't remember much about it, other than thinking that some of the songs were disorganized and / or too emotive. I would like to listen to that album again.

Regarding Far Away from the Sun, I think very highly of tracks 1-3 and 5. I have found the other songs to be less inspiring and I usually get bored during the second half of the album; the other songs are good, but maybe not of the same caliber as the listed ones. My tentativeness in writing off the other songs suggests that all of them attain at least some level of quality, and that this album deserves more exploration, but I do think that the four aforementioned tracks as an EP might be more fulfilling than all nine as an album. Perhaps it is a question of organization: "Obsolete Tears" usually sounds flat and uneventful to me, but that might be because it follows the blistering and emotional "Cries from a Restless Soul." Furthermore, one of the aspects that I like about the first few songs is their fury and momentum, but the album seems to lose some steam after track 5. Some of the later songs sound tired at times.

One of the only albums that has captivated me in a way similar to Far Away from the Sun is Witchcraft, by Obtained Enslavement. The two albums have different spirits and styles, but they share a majestic character, a certain fury (not unlike a snowstorm), a sweeping melodiousness that does not degenerate into the stereotypical, and some songs that are as smooth as butter.
Title: Re: Sacramentum - Far Away From the Sun
Post by: death metal black metal on December 20, 2015, 10:42:30 AM
Far Away From the Sun was one of the few albums to maintain the atmosphere and spirit of black metal beyond the strict boundaries of the style.
Title: Re: Sacramentum - Far Away From the Sun
Post by: Spinal on December 24, 2015, 12:42:23 AM
Anyone familiar with their 1993 demo Sedes Imporium? I never hear any talk about this release.
Title: Re: Sacramentum - Far Away From the Sun
Post by: Tancred Hauteville on December 31, 2015, 12:58:08 PM
Funny, I was just listening to their demo today. Sounds great! Has some obvious ATG influence.
Title: Re: Sacramentum - Far Away From the Sun
Post by: Spinal on January 01, 2016, 03:32:26 AM
Then I'll better check it out. Thanks!
Title: Re: Sacramentum - Far Away From the Sun
Post by: Tancred Hauteville on January 01, 2016, 07:33:06 PM
Let me know what you think of it.
Title: Re: Sacramentum - Far Away From the Sun
Post by: Spinal on January 04, 2016, 04:53:50 AM
Now, I have only listened to it once, so it's a bit too early to give a fair grounded opinion. I can also hear the ATG inspiration and I'm quite sure some bits and pieces of the demo songs pop up on later releases. I read somewhere that Brolycke thought the demo was altogether bad and immature, etc. - I don't think it's that bad for a demo! Either the drummer has some serious trouble keeping the pace, or else he's into some sort of loose-playing style. It's kind of cool really. Must be the same drummer they had on Finis Malorum.
Title: Re: Sacramentum - Far Away From the Sun
Post by: rafael on January 18, 2016, 02:58:13 AM

this album a really wicked rush when on 4-fa which reminds me i had better transfer it to my new mp3 player