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Title: Ildjarn Split was written by Nidhogg
Post by: Wild on March 02, 2014, 01:47:02 PM
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Regarding the iLDjARN/Hate Forest split "Those Once Mighty Fallen"

iLDjARN has confirmed to me that there's been a mix-up in regards to the source-material for the split on OSMOSE. The songs are my original compositions in their entirety, though uncredited. I think any listener will also recognize the tunes when comparing the two versions. There is, however, no quarrell between me and iLDjARN regarding this, it's a matter between him and OSMOSE.

The prelimenary synth-basses represent parts of what was later to be recorded as guitar and bass.

In the order they were recorded, with original titles, on my ca. '95 sketch-tape.

1. Balders skjebne: 0:00
Link to the split-version (1. song on the LP):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu0IYh...
2. Syner: 7:52
Link to the split-version (2. song on the LP):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu0IYh...
3. Fimbulsvintre: 13:13
Link to the split-version (3. song on the LP):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlbBI8...
4. Garm gjøyr: 16:37
Link to the split-version (4. song on the LP):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UXN4m...
5. Det siste slaget: 17:52
Link to split-version (5. song on the LP):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d5N5A...
6. Fra øst en elv: 21:39
Link to split-version (6. song on the LP):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHI1zr...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-xpuCu64uA
Title: Re: Ildjarn Split was written by Nidhogg
Post by: aquarius on March 02, 2014, 06:19:40 PM
The plot thickens!

Very interesting.
Title: Re: Ildjarn Split was written by Nidhogg
Post by: aquarius on March 09, 2014, 06:19:34 PM
This is just weird. Why would Ildjarn break a decade of hate-meditation to record tracks that aren't even his, but are based on earlier compositions of Nidhogg, only to have them released on a label that only cares about money. Why didn't he consult Nidhogg, why would he re-record these tracks rather than write new material of his own. Also, how did Nidhogg not recognize the tracks where his initially? He just said it doesn't sound like Ildjarn.
Title: Re: Ildjarn Split was written by Nidhogg
Post by: NiDHOGG on March 11, 2014, 03:16:07 AM
Hi-
I had initially not intended to engage in a discussion on this matter, but since you put in question the tape I've uploaded, I have no choice but to respond. As of now, I won't engage in any further discussion on this blog, I'll just address your issues.
I can't answer any of your concerns regarding iLDjARN, as I have stated on my upload, old tapes have been floating around, perhaps mislabelled.
Regarding why I didn't recognize these songs earlier. Yes, that's true, I didn't. I only listened to one and one song individually, and it didn't even cross my mind that these songs were old songs I'd written. This was 20 years ago, and as you hear on the sketch-tape, they were far from realized. I haven't listened to the tape since I recorded it. It was when I dug through old tapes from my basement I discovered and realized it. Hope that settles why I didn't realize sooner.
It's also correct that I posted on a few uploads with the concerns that this does not sound like iLDjARN. I think there's an agreement on that. In fact, it's been compared to Sort Vokter and iLDjARN - NiDHOGG, go figure.
Of course I didn't sit down and "manufacture" this tape in order to capitalize on iLDjARN's name And as I've stated iLDjARN has confirmed to me that these are my songs, would I risk iLDjARN's wrath by lying about that ; )
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Hope that answers any suspicion that I'm lying about the matter, which is the only reason I'm even posting this. Compare the songs yourselves and make up your own mind.
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I do understand why the question is being raised, though, so it's OK to have the oppurtunity to clear it up.
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I see on another forum that there's now speculation that we are all the same person, me, iLDjARN, TViGYGRE and HEiiNGHUND. (sigh and chuckles) Well, I think the nature of the music and the differences there show several people are involved. Also, anyone who looks at he faces and not the hairdos on the Sort Vokter pics, must see that these are four different faces. We were just untypically skinheads at the time, all of us. Hope you keep your senses on this forum  ;)
Title: Re: Ildjarn Split was written by Nidhogg
Post by: Wild on March 11, 2014, 03:42:56 AM
Thank you for responding, NiDHOGG. Both you and Ildjarn are held in high regard around here.

It seemed likely that when recordings re-surface after 20 years, it's difficult to retain information about them. Perhaps Ildjarn didn't realize who had conceived the work or there was a a problem with Osmose's understanding of the situation.

Either way, it's good to hear that work and the demos you posted on youtube. It is appreciated by this community. 
Title: Re: Ildjarn Split was written by Nidhogg
Post by: 03-04 on March 11, 2014, 03:43:15 AM
Thanks for posting, and clearing things up NiDHOGG.

Though you do not intend to, I still hope that you'll stick around these boards. It would surely be worthwhile for the rest of us to read what I creative mind like yours have to say about all things metal.

The Ildjarn-Nidhogg-compilation is one of my all-time favourite metal-albums: Absorbing, flowing, pure. An underrated classic of underground art. I know that many around these parts share my opinion.

Thanks to you and Ildjarn for that one :)
Title: Re: Ildjarn Split was written by Nidhogg
Post by: NiDHOGG on March 11, 2014, 04:46:33 AM
Thanks both of you. I hope to post an old recording of mine in a totally different style on the YouTube channel some time soon, when I get hold of it (it's in a different place). On another note, I spoke very briefly to iLDjARN last week, and he told me of plans to re-release "Hardangervidda". In what format, I don't know, but he has been there again for another photoshoot where we shot the pictures for the first release, and the pictures looked really good. Don't know any more details, and not which label or when. We'll see when or if it happens.
Thanks again for the interest in our music.

Love the Black Sabbath entry question to the forum ;)
Title: Re: Ildjarn Split was written by Nidhogg
Post by: aquarius on March 12, 2014, 11:17:57 PM
NiDHOGG

I should firstly say a big thanks for taking the time to respond to this. Your uploads on the youtube channel have been very insightful and I doubt if there’s another site out there that has understood, appreciated and promoted the music of iLDjARN – NiDHOGG to the extent that this one has.

Regarding my earlier comment, I certainly didn’t mean to suggest that your original sketch tape wasn’t the ‘real deal’, actually it sounds very real to me and your explanation about finding it at a later date more than clears things up. Perhaps it’s a bit odd that iLDjARN didn’t notice they were your tracks originally, but it’s a small matter either way and in truth I am just glad to have heard this material get released at all.

Isn’t it funny just how much commotion 25 minutes of new (old) material can make in the times where there is simply such a massive drought of quality metal being released.

Another point of interest is why suddenly there are these new and re-released works coming out at this time? Is it possible that iLDjARN – NiDHOGG or Sort Vokter could ever reform?
Title: Re: Ildjarn Split was written by Nidhogg
Post by: NiDHOGG on March 13, 2014, 05:25:11 PM
Hi again -
Well. Sort Vokter, no, that project will never be reformed. I'm not sure if people know how brief that co-operation lasted. We were friends much longer than we collaborated music-wise. I knew Harald and Kyrre for years in Notodden, and me and Vidar had already known each since right after high school. Sort Vokter was basically recorded in one session when Kyrre had a full studio at his disposal for a weekend. We were completely free to use the equipment as we wanted. We wrote the bulk of the material as we recorded it, so it was a very satisfying process, writing, recording and mixing a record in a short amount of days, free of anyones dictation. But we were pressed for time, and that's why we had to accept the end result, even though we weren't satisfied at the time of the recording, hence the pun about "...no care for technical details."
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iLDjARN - NiDHOGG, no, I don't think that's gonna happen either. Life has different periods, so to speak. One gets even more stubborn as one gets older, and I'm not at all sure either me or Vidar are ever gonna write anything more before we bite the dust. A little bird told me he might release something never heard before, but don't hold me to it.
Title: Re: Ildjarn Split was written by Nidhogg
Post by: death metal black metal on March 13, 2014, 07:51:59 PM
Sort Vokter turned out brilliantly for the limited resources. I always felt the Ildjarn-Nidhogg vision had room to expand although perhaps not in a "metal" form.
Title: Re: Ildjarn Split was written by Nidhogg
Post by: aquarius on March 15, 2014, 06:34:31 PM
That's interesting information about the Sort Vokter project and I can imagine what a memorable weekend it must have been to write and record it. One thing I wonder about is the rumour that members of this project played different instruments on each track, however iLDjARN stated in an interview that he played most of the guitar and bass which would leave the other members doing vocals, synth, arranging drum/percussion patterns etc. In what way did the different members participate in the overall composition process?

As for new/unheard material by iLDjARN, that would be awesome. Hardangervidda re-release sounds good too (though I already have it on CD and snow-coloured vinyl  ;)). What about the unreleased material you spoke of on the youtube channel? Would it be anything like Hardangervidda or the 2 newer tracks on iLDjARN - NiDHOGG?
Title: Re: Ildjarn Split was written by Nidhogg
Post by: NiDHOGG on March 16, 2014, 08:11:30 AM
No, the other two are avid musicians in their own right, and it was an equal contribution from all involved. For instance, "Hatefulle Tanker ut i Natten" was entirely composed by HEiiNGHUND (which means "Heathen Dog"  ;) ), and he played guitar on it and I think he played the bass too (Perhaps iLDjARN did, but I can't remember exactly). This goes for other songs as well. TViGYGRE also composed and executed pieces of his own, though I can't remember if he played any guitars (he does play it, though). I think iLDjARN was referring to his own compositions in this regard, we were all involved in both the writing and execution of the music (I didn't play either bass nor guitar). It was certainly not a thing revolving around iLDjARN or anything, we all knew each other from hanging out in Notodden together, and it was a concept we executed on equal terms. Speaking of the songwriting, I would say me and iLDjARN did about 40 percent each and the other guys 10 percent each. TViiGYGRE engineered it and we were all in on the mixing, of course. Since we're talking about it, I can mention that me and iLDjARN took the pics and did the artwork on it on the schoolcomputer at a teachers college I attended in Notodden. We used this computer a lot for covers (f.i. the "Svartfråd"-cover, and several iLDjARN-covers), and I was actually called in to the inspector for a warning because of suspicion of satanic intent with some other pics that lay on the computer  ;D

The two unreleased songs I mentioned sound nothing like each other, and nothing like the ambient or metal iLDjARN - NiDHOGG. One is classical orchestral piece and the other I would perhaps classify as Psychedelic Necro Ompa. This last one I'm about to upload when I get the gear up and running. The other, the orchestral one, was one song of a project I started about the same time as "Hardangervidda". But since I relocated from Notodden, I have become a dad and haven't picked up songwriting since.
Yeah, I hope the new "Hardangervidda"-release is a double-vinyl or at least vinyl. I had very little time to talk to iLDjARN, since I commuted with trains and busses. I wasn't too happy with the CD-release of "Hardangervidda" on Season of Mist, myself. It looked tacky with the artwork changed with red borders and stuff.
Title: Re: Ildjarn Split was written by Nidhogg
Post by: death metal black metal on March 18, 2014, 07:47:51 PM
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One is classical orchestral piece

Did anyone else drool at this mention?

I fully support the growth of black metal into greater complexity like its forebears achieved.

I do not support the endless hybridization of black metal with known "outside" genres to make "new" styles.

Title: Re: Ildjarn Split was written by Nidhogg
Post by: aquarius on March 18, 2014, 08:36:02 PM
HEiiNGHUND (which means "Heathen Dog"  ;) )

Haha. Let me guess, HEiiNGHUND is the one pictured with the tongue hanging out?  :D

Anyway, Sort Vokter is really one of a kind. I can hear a bit of the iLDjARN - NiDHOGG sound in there but ultimately it is a different band as you say. There is a stronger ambient influence throughout the album in general, not just the keyboard parts. And the mixing/production gives it such a unique character, distorted and yet refined. Abstract yet direct.

As DMBM said, the two newer tracks on iLDjARN - NiDHOGG are really something else all together and if anything could reinvigorate the stagnant black metal genre it would surely be an expansion of this.

Hardangervidda was a breath of fresh air. It is one of my all time favourites of any type of music. The melodic development, the lush synth textures, the concept, the sense of journey throughout the album - it is simply brilliant. I think it is massively underrated in the metal community and is unfortunately mostly unheard of outside of that. Perhaps a re-release would help stimulate some interest in this genius work. Another idea might be to re-release it on a non-metal label for better distribution? I didn't know about the Seasons of Mist cover, the original Norse release is minimal but perfect.

The other tracks you mentioned sure sound interesting. The classical orchestral piece is using synth or real orchestral instruments? Was this project originally intended as a concept album (like Hardangervidda)?
Title: Re: Ildjarn Split was written by Nidhogg
Post by: aquarius on March 18, 2014, 08:37:18 PM
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One is classical orchestral piece

Did anyone else drool at this mention?

I fully support the growth of black metal into greater complexity like its forebears achieved.

I do not support the endless hybridization of black metal with known "outside" genres to make "new" styles.

I absolutely agree.

While I have a lot of respect for bands that work within an established style and are dedicated, most of it bores me to tears. Solution: don’t think outside of the box. Study and understand the box, then smash it with a sledgehammer. Smash the pigeonholes too!
Title: Re: Ildjarn Split was written by Nidhogg
Post by: Svmmoned on March 21, 2014, 12:51:35 PM

The two unreleased songs I mentioned sound nothing like each other, and nothing like the ambient or metal iLDjARN - NiDHOGG. One is classical orchestral piece and the other I would perhaps classify as Psychedelic Necro Ompa. This last one I'm about to upload when I get the gear up and running. The other, the orchestral one, was one song of a project I started about the same time as "Hardangervidda". But since I relocated from Notodden, I have become a dad and haven't picked up songwriting since.
Yeah, I hope the new "Hardangervidda"-release is a double-vinyl or at least vinyl. I had very little time to talk to iLDjARN, since I commuted with trains and busses. I wasn't too happy with the CD-release of "Hardangervidda" on Season of Mist, myself. It looked tacky with the artwork changed with red borders and stuff.

I've got a sincere reason for you to participate in collaboration with iLDjARN at least once more. Hardangervidda ends when something majestic, yet mysterious is awakening. Briefly hinted and then gently muted. It is exactly the same reason, why you may want to leave it at that, nevertheless it would be wonderful to wander further into those nocturnal landscapes, with some special time at night to end the journey (as we have already witnessed sunrise). 
Title: Re: Ildjarn Split was written by Nidhogg
Post by: NiDHOGG on March 25, 2014, 03:09:41 PM
Hey
well any collaboration with iLDjARN is out of the question, cause just like he did with his iLDjARN solo project, I would want now to work out my own musical concept. I had two directions worked out and none of them would be under the NiDHOGG-name, since they don't really reflect norwegian nature in particular, as both Norse and Hardangervidda did. That's why we used the iLDARN - NiDHOGG moniker on Hardangervidda, although we didn't stamp the cover with a logo. When speaking of the stuff we did together (not counting Sort Vokter, which could in many ways just be considered a spoof, in my opinion, hence our attempts at wit in the few sentences we put on the cover), the songwriting and production varied along the whole scale of who made what. It is certainly not true that I mainly did production as I saw someone say somewhere. I don't think iLDjARN has said that either, or he has been misunderstood. So Svart Dag and Eksistensens Jeger are for instance both my tunes, and iLDjARN had nothing to do with them. But our moniker, with both names, fit such a collaboration as the compilation was.

Speaking of the end of Hardangervidda, the main direction I was going in before I relocated and everything was put on hold, was a concept album in the aforementioned classical orchestral style. I had most of the melodies, or riffs and ideas, if you will,  ready for the first album which was intended to be called "Symphonies in a Starless Night", and the first song would actually tie well in with the end of Hardangervidda. The second one was also basically planned and I had perhaps 20 startingpoints for songs to pick from for that one, which was going to be called "Studies of Devils". iLDjARN came up with the original name for the project, SHOG, which I elaborated to Shadow Hungry Onto God. The icon image on my Thesortvokter channel on YouTube was intended as the cover for the first album, although in black and white.

Aquarius also asked me if the classical orchestral piece was using synth or real instruments.
Well, there would actually have been no need for real instrument. The synth we used for Hardangervidda was one I bought after working a whole summer in Notodden, where I lived and the album was made. It was a Roland XP-80, cost around 23,000 norwegian kroner and is quite a monster. Currently there's about 4 soundcards in it and about 1200 different sounds, and the possibility to have other cards to switch in and out. My favourite card is the classical orchestral one. Every instrument in that card is a REAL instrument sampled, so it's not digital sound per se. The "live" instrument feel to the doublebass opening on Night shows this, I think. Not only is every sound a real instrument sound from a full classical orchestra (about 250 instruments), each instrument is also sampled four seperate times. The reason for this is the touch sensitivity on the keyboard. Depending on the preasure and attack on the fingers on the keys, the synth produces a mix of these four sounds on a scale. So for instance if I chose one of the violins and hitthe key hard and abrupt, it would sound like a bow being hit hard on the string. Similarly, a soft long preasure on a key would sound like a slow soft stroke on the string. Quite an amazing instrument. It has 16 seperate tracks/channels with possibilities for polyphony, so it's basically like a 16 track reacording device. There is complete modulation possibilities on it, so you can personalize every sound as you please. The possibilities are in fact endless. So no real orchestra was needed. One song was completely finished and recorded, but currently I don't know where it's gone.

In the other direction I experimented in,  I do have a song at hand, I just have to get the gear up and running and I'll post it on YouTube. This does neither reflect an aspect of norwegian nature, and therefore neither under the NiDHOGG name. Trying to describe it, I figure Psychedelic Necro Ompa would suffice, to give an idea of the sound. Labeling/not labeling, I don't care. There is energy to it like me and iLDjARN's metal stuff and some trippy shit going on. The picture I attached also should give you an idea of the sound, I think  ;) I had two songs ready for a limited 7", but one day I lost the A-side down the "equipment failure-drain", so to speak. The intended B-side I have, tough.

Feel free to PM me on the YouTube-channel also, since I'm not often on forums.

Title: Re: Ildjarn Split was written by Nidhogg
Post by: fenrir on March 25, 2014, 08:40:06 PM
I second the moderator's enthusiasm for classical-oriented black metal/ambient music.

Also, NiDHOGG, what is your youtube account? 
Title: Re: Ildjarn Split was written by Nidhogg
Post by: NiDHOGG on March 25, 2014, 11:37:00 PM
Hey, here's the channel:
https://www.youtube.com/user/Thesortvokter
Title: Re: Ildjarn Split was written by Nidhogg
Post by: fenrir on March 26, 2014, 05:14:34 PM
Suscribed to you on youtube.

And the music in Fear Through Eternity is very contemplative. It reminds me of Handargervidda.  But it's still a little different. A little bit repetitive though...

The nature of this music makes me want to ask you (and the author of Fear Through Eternity as well) if have any influence from Arvo Pärt.
Title: Re: Ildjarn Split was written by Nidhogg
Post by: NiDHOGG on March 27, 2014, 12:07:33 PM
Arvo Pärt is astonishing and untoucheable. iLDjARN introduced me to his music. He was very much into ECMs music, where I believe some or much of Pärts music is released. Also Phillip Glass is to be mentioned alongside him, in form, but not nearly as good in my opinion. I myself also very much like the music of Michael Nyman, made for the Peter Greenaway films. Have you seen "The cook, the thief the wife and her lover"? Together with the music it's a decadent masterpiece. But Pärt? Unbelieveable. Like this first sound here, piercing your heart....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-J8LNcZgTA
The author of the music in Fear Through Eternity is Yayla, and you can check him out here:
http://merdumgiriz.org/Yayla_Official.html
The reason I removed the link first was that I got the link from him and wanted to clear passing it on with him. Here's the link again:
http://vimeo.com/76544669
Title: Re: Ildjarn Split was written by Nidhogg
Post by: Ymir on March 27, 2014, 12:20:20 PM
Svart Dag and Eksistensens Jeger are two of the greatest pieces of black metal ever recorded. It's nice to finally hear from this artist.
Title: Re: Ildjarn Split was written by Nidhogg
Post by: NiDHOGG on March 27, 2014, 12:48:09 PM
Thank you very much. I had many more ideas for projects also in the metal-vein, but drumming together musicians and being in a band is always much more difficult than writing things alone. I had a wish to cover the whole "Pornography"-album by the Cure in Black Metal style, I guess with the main difference from the original being more use of distortion on both bass and guitar and of course som manic Norwegian Black Metal vocals on top. That is an idea I'll never stop to think could have been excellent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCURzwGIgF4
Title: Re: Ildjarn Split was written by Nidhogg
Post by: Vigilance on March 27, 2014, 01:27:28 PM
Svart Dag and Eksistensens Jeger are two of the greatest pieces of black metal ever recorded. It's nice to finally hear from this artist.

Agreed.

Did Nidhogg produce any other work in the vein of these two?
Title: Re: Ildjarn Split was written by Nidhogg
Post by: Ymir on March 27, 2014, 02:28:33 PM
Perhaps an interview on deathmetal.org is due.
Thank you very much. I had many more ideas for projects also in the metal-vein, but drumming together musicians and being in a band is always much more difficult than writing things alone. I had a wish to cover the whole "Pornography"-album by the Cure in Black Metal style, I guess with the main difference from the original being more use of distortion on both bass and guitar and of course som manic Norwegian Black Metal vocals on top. That is an idea I'll never stop to think could have been excellent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCURzwGIgF4

That would be retarded. Forgive me for being suspicious, but how do you know I'm a fan of The Cure? Are you tracking my social media accounts? Do you work for the NSA? Are you really Nidhogg?

Title: Re: Ildjarn Split was written by Nidhogg
Post by: NiDHOGG on March 27, 2014, 05:22:48 PM
Svart Dag and Eksistensens Jeger are two of the greatest pieces of black metal ever recorded. It's nice to finally hear from this artist.

Agreed.

Did Nidhogg produce any other work in the vein of these two?
No, these two where the only ones like that. But music is so diverse, like i've said, I concentrated on other stuff, And mostly, I became a dad and other things started happening in my life.
Title: Re: Ildjarn Split was written by Nidhogg
Post by: aquarius on March 27, 2014, 05:34:18 PM
NiDHOGG

It is indeed exciting to hear of some of the details of those two projects you were working on. And I really hope they shall someday reach fruition. If you don’t mind me asking, you have previously put these projects on hold due to family and life commitments? But are you now in a position with more time to concentrate on music?

As for synths, I’m a bit of a fanatic myself (got a few vintage analogues and other nice gear). But I was very curious to know what kind of equipment you guys used on Hardangervidda as the sound you achieved on that is just perfect. A seamless blending orchestral and synth sounds. And the written material itself is exceptional. A lot of other ambient music gets repetitive but the melodic progressions and variations in your music are so well thought-out. Did you use any software, step-sequencer or external multitracker for this or just did everything on the XP-80.

I’m not too familiar with the XP-80 but it’s a bit like a Korg Triton as I understand it. It might seem silly to some but a lot of people don’t like to discuss the equiptment or the general compositional process by which something was achieved, I just find it fascinating. I even contacted Varg Vikernes to ask what synth he used to make pieces like Tomhet on Hvis lyset tar oss album, he would have told me but he couldn’t remember, it was a synth belonging to Pytten (Grieghallen studio). I also tried to contact Pytten about it but no reply  :-\

Yes I am familiar with GGFH! Good old-fashioned industrial from a diseased mind! Some other good stuff that comes to mind is Mortal Constraint, and older stuff by Skinny Puppy etc. If you feel up to it, you should list some favourite Industrial stuff in this (http://www.deathmetal.org/forum/index.php/topic,17777.msg85522.html#msg85522) thread.
Title: Re: Ildjarn Split was written by Nidhogg
Post by: NiDHOGG on March 27, 2014, 06:02:45 PM
Well, we didn't know anything about how the synth worked. I put away all my money, bought the synth, and then me and Vidar started to work at an album. The direction was there, with the landscape of "Hardangervidda", which we, as Telemarkians knew beforehand. I guess I was perhaps 6 the first time my family brought me to the place. In tents, venturing as far inward as it was safe for a family to go. That was in the 70's. So it was with Vidar also, Telemark is something that is ingrained in us. I guess that's the point with Hardangervidda, it's neither me nor Vidar, it's just from that place...

But Aquarius, send me a PM on my YouTube acount.
Title: Re: Ildjarn Split was written by Nidhogg
Post by: Vigilance on March 27, 2014, 06:12:19 PM
Svart Dag and Eksistensens Jeger are two of the greatest pieces of black metal ever recorded. It's nice to finally hear from this artist.

Agreed.

Did Nidhogg produce any other work in the vein of these two?
No, these two where the only ones like that. But music is so diverse, like i've said, I concentrated on other stuff, And mostly, I became a dad and other things started happening in my life.

Understandable. I'll need to cruise your YouTube channel when I get a replacement pair of headphones.
Title: Re: Ildjarn Split was written by Nidhogg
Post by: NiDHOGG on March 27, 2014, 06:29:15 PM
Well, here's where the inspiration for the beginning of Hardangervidda came from. 'Grieg is chief..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMTET0xS50k
Title: Re: Ildjarn Split was written by Nidhogg
Post by: fenrir on March 28, 2014, 03:41:02 AM
Arvo Pärt is astonishing and untoucheable. iLDjARN introduced me to his music. He was very much into ECMs music, where I believe some or much of Pärts music is released. Also Phillip Glass is to be mentioned alongside him, in form, but not nearly as good in my opinion. I myself also very much like the music of Michael Nyman, made for the Peter Greenaway films. Have you seen "The cook, the thief the wife and her lover"? Together with the music it's a decadent masterpiece. But Pärt? Unbelieveable. Like this first sound here, piercing your heart....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-J8LNcZgTA


Yes! Tabula Rasa exposes my favorite side of AP.  The whole release with four pieces in 1984, but of course specially the "title track".
Philip Glass, I don't really like. He is pretty stale most of the time, for me. He lacks that "spiritual" character that fills the best music, IMO. But I am just ranting here.  AP describes his own music as "religious", and it is easy to see why.
 
I think this character is what distinguishes JS Bach from most other Baroque composers like Handel (the banal) or the Corelli school (very nice music, very technical) even when they are composing FOR religious purposes. Not to give the wrong impression, I actually really enjoy music by the Corelli and his students (eg Vivaldi, Locatelli).  Maybe it has to do with a more pure dedication to the music itself? JS Bach saw his music as a way of expressing the divine. He was ABOUT the music. The others' lives were about career, fame, glamour.  I guess those are the traps of the "Art world".

I haven't watched "The cook, the thief the wife and her lover", but I will look it up. As well as Michael Nyman's music. Thank you for the recommendations.

Title: Re: Ildjarn Split was written by Nidhogg
Post by: NiDHOGG on March 28, 2014, 04:13:26 AM
 Yeah, I don't think Phillip Glasss reaches up. Michael Nyman with Peter Greenaway films, though? You're gonna love it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NRzj0JZk9M
Found a link to SOME of that movie, but you should watch it all if you get the chance, it's unique.
http://www.miramax.com/watch?v=F2c2RrYTq3M6_qTs733FZlCa2RRBNIvK
Title: Re: Ildjarn Split was written by Nidhogg
Post by: dead last on March 28, 2014, 08:25:34 PM
Hate to derail the thread, but just out of curiosity, what do you consider to be shortcomings of Glass? His Company suite has always floored me, I feel much from it. I will definitely check out Part's music if it is a better take on the style.
Title: Re: Ildjarn Split was written by Nidhogg
Post by: NiDHOGG on March 31, 2014, 08:39:05 AM
Hate to derail the thread, but just out of curiosity, what do you consider to be shortcomings of Glass? His Company suite has always floored me, I feel much from it. I will definitely check out Part's music if it is a better take on the style.

No, I expressed myself a bit wrong. I absolutely love his works, so it was just in comparison to some others that may be even greater. But he absolutely reaches up.
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Post by: fenrir on March 31, 2014, 09:18:29 PM
Hate to derail the thread, but just out of curiosity, what do you consider to be shortcomings of Glass? His Company suite has always floored me, I feel much from it. I will definitely check out Part's music if it is a better take on the style.

For me, in general, he leaves to much to the imagination. He is content with just repeating a melody without the slightest hint of variation of any kind (Edit 1: this is, of course, incorrect. It has some variation, and sooome development.).  Maybe it is a performer's fault as well, but I find it hard to believe that classical musicians will just play his (piano, specially) works in such a flat way because they want to. It must be his direction that his pieces sound so flat and uneventful.  He may like to evocate something through them and thus he names them creatively but the music itself is too simple.  Maybe the only variation introduced is by the performer's hand, trying to provide some little dynamics to the extremely repetitive pieces Mr Glass produces.
Even simple things needs some kind of complexity, IMO. It is how some things are used in context. Sometimes it is the speed at which certain things are played that add the complexity to the idea. Sometimes it is the chord progression itself with the rhythm which provide this complexity. No two elements in music are really independent. I think here is where Philip Glass fails for me: his often extremely simple melodies lack are set in a flat and simple background, repeating ad nauseam.

This is a little it unfair since I actually like Goatcraft's project. Maybe I am just placing Glass under the classical composer's banner so I expect something else from him. I expect the depth of thought and development that Arvo Part's music contains. Then again, even Goatcraft's music produces more development and variation. Please go listen to The Blasphemer! Goatcraft's (violent) debut is also more entertaining and full of content than Glass' piano music. I must admit, though, that the only full piano release by Glass that I've actively listened to is Metamorphosis.  I got through it mostly out of duty, because I could not be more bored with the pieces repeating the same ... 8 or 10 bars for 10 times and calling it a day!
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Post by: fenrir on March 31, 2014, 09:44:34 PM
Going through this again. Last time I listened to it was years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qAAPRbRSc0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qAAPRbRSc0)

Objectively speaking, some songs are not as bad as I remembered them.  Metamorphosis 4 is slightly more worked than the other ones before it.  There are some worthwhile bits after that too. But for songs being 10 minutes long, they are TOO repetitive. Goatcraft repeats shit 4 times as if he were doing Metal.

I will re-listen to his other works to get a new perspective of his music, though right now I maintain my general opinion on him. 

Edit 1:
I recently came into my knowledge that the best of Glass' music are not in his early works which are like background music, but rather in his mid-late works such as Symphonies 4 and 5 (i did not know he had written symphonies) as they are not as repetitive.
PS. I keep mentioning Goatcraft because I think Philip Glass ' music approaches this more than Arvo Part's style.  The only thing shared with Part is the tendency for simple arrangements (Listen to Glass' Mad Rush).  But that's like saying that Ildjarn's metal stuff is similar to John Mayer because they are both simple.  Arvo Part's music twists around and extends forward instead of using a lot of repetition.
Title: Re: Ildjarn Split was written by Nidhogg
Post by: Wild on April 16, 2014, 09:51:11 AM
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In the other direction I experimented in,  I do have a song at hand, I just have to get the gear up and running and I'll post it on YouTube. This does neither reflect an aspect of norwegian nature, and therefore neither under the NiDHOGG name. Trying to describe it, I figure Psychedelic Necro Ompa would suffice, to give an idea of the sound. Labeling/not labeling, I don't care. There is energy to it like me and iLDjARN's metal stuff and some trippy shit going on. The picture I attached also should give you an idea of the sound, I think  ;) I had two songs ready for a limited 7", but one day I lost the A-side down the "equipment failure-drain", so to speak. The intended B-side I have, tough.

And here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liHRNYeCFLc

Turn up your volume before listening.
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Post by: Aulë on April 18, 2014, 11:45:25 AM


And here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liHRNYeCFLc

Turn up your volume before listening.

This sounds extremely interesting.  I would certainly like to hear more.
Title: Re: Ildjarn Split was written by Nidhogg
Post by: Barbaar on April 27, 2014, 01:41:57 PM
NiDHOGG uploaded another rarity: http://youtu.be/_SKjmL72WGE