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Title: Denigrating science to inflate the religious ego
Post by: Wild on May 09, 2014, 10:41:25 AM
It's a popular thing in some conservative circles (and this forum of late) to stand up for religion against the terrible onslaught of fanatical scientific atheism that's single-handily destroying Western Civilization. Oh dear.

While the merits of this are still to be seen, what's most intriguing to me are the ways in which people go about counter-acting this. Science is accused of being arrogant, of not being able to explain how we got here, and not being able to explain why we exist.

It's my challenge that all 3 of these are absurd.

To the first, science is actually the most humble discourse humans have ever attempted to understand "reality" - and certainly far more so than religion. Consider: science never says it has the final answer. It is always open to new evidence and contemplation of things which were heretofore considered ludicrous. Not only that, but it is based upon observing what can be perceived, in a careful and verifiable way.

Contrast this to religion, which inevitably claims final and complete knowledge. It is extraordinarily reactionary against anything that contradicts its dogma, and its methods are almost entirely subjective, relying on what's occurring in the internal nervous system of the individual, whether from a true shaman or a dishonest epileptic rabbi. The problem with this is that it is impossible to communicate what was experienced, as nothing is external to be observed.

To the second, while science cannot yet answer that question, it is collecting information and forming hypotheses, until enough evidence is gathered to justify a conclusion. That's called humbleness.

You know what isn't humble?

Declaring: "God made the universe in seven days, the Sun orbits the Earth, and if you don't agree, prepare to get toasted."

Now, on to the last point. It's here that the criticism is true: science can't explain why we exist. However, why I think this charge is absurd is because nothing else can either. Sure, you can invent all sorts of reasons/explanations/bullshit, collect them in a holy book, and off you go; but that doesn't make it true.

What's particularly funny is that the people who do that call others arrogant!
Title: Re: Denigrating science to inflate the religious ego
Post by: Vigilance on May 09, 2014, 11:15:26 AM
Cheers!

I'd probably opt to leave religion out of the discussion entirely because it is a different animal, with a different function, who's truths are validated NY different means.

But, all else considered, spot on.
Title: Re: Denigrating science to inflate the religious ego
Post by: crow on May 09, 2014, 11:31:11 AM
Raging again, Wild? Upset? Victimized by those insane religious zealots?
You have no grasp of what religion is. Other than your idea of what it can be at its worst.
Consider your own state, and contrast it with the placid, calm, sane state of the spiritual adept.
Which do you consider generally more benign, more preferable?
Title: Re: Denigrating science to inflate the religious ego
Post by: scourge on May 09, 2014, 11:35:57 AM
The point isn't that science itself is too imperfect for us to heed. Science is also staffed by people - potentially corruptible people - and it also requires funding from sources who may desire tailored results to suit their non-science, political aims. Just like the churches, there is no reason the institution of science can't get and hasn't gotten infiltrated by ideologues who keep reality second and the agenda first.
Title: Re: Denigrating science to inflate the religious ego
Post by: Wild on May 09, 2014, 11:41:34 AM
Irritated again, crow? Angry? Attacked by those brutal materialist technicians?
You have no grasp of what science is. Other than your idea of what it can be at its worst.
Consider your own state, and contrast it to the careful, humble, objective state of the scientific mind.
Which do you consider generally more accurate, more truthful?
Title: Re: Denigrating science to inflate the religious ego
Post by: crow on May 09, 2014, 11:45:38 AM
Exactly, Scourge. Science suffers from the same thing the atheistic mind does.
A lack of reverence for Truth. It makes up its own, as it goes (un)happily down the road to ruin.
It may be time to differentiate between 'religion' and 'metaphysics'.
There are some truly insane religious types out there, just as there are scientists.
The metaphysicist, on the other hand, begins from a position of humility.
If he didn't, he would not be a metaphysicist.

Metaphysics observes and is awed-by. Religion is capable of exactly the same approach.
It is, as usual, people, and their slippery egos that muddies the waters.

If science were capable of both humility and reverence, it would be ideal.
But it is not.

Title: Re: Denigrating science to inflate the religious ego
Post by: crow on May 09, 2014, 11:48:15 AM
Irritated again, crow? Angry? Attacked by those brutal materialist technicians?
You have no grasp of what science is. Other than your idea of what it can be at its worst.
Consider your own state, and contrast it to the careful, humble, objective state of the scientific mind.
Which do you consider generally more accurate, more truthful?


Be warned, Wild. Get back to your little spot on DM. This is not your area, and your attitude is not helpful, or permissible. You may discuss. You may not incite hostility and discord.
Title: Re: Denigrating science to inflate the religious ego
Post by: Wild on May 09, 2014, 11:56:26 AM
Irritated again, crow? Angry? Attacked by those brutal materialist technicians?
You have no grasp of what science is. Other than your idea of what it can be at its worst.
Consider your own state, and contrast it to the careful, humble, objective state of the scientific mind.
Which do you consider generally more accurate, more truthful?


Be warned, Wild. Get back to your little spot on DM. This is not your area, and your attitude is not helpful, or permissible. You may discuss. You may not incite hostility and discord.

You know what crow? This site is deathmetal.org, not amerika.org nor crowslittledictatorship.org. That you constantly belittle/insult all the contributors whom you don't agree with, then turn around and lecture everyone on civility is fucking disgusting.

I was willing to defend you awhile back, but now it's completely absurd. Go ban me like Humanicide.
Title: Re: Denigrating science to inflate the religious ego
Post by: crow on May 09, 2014, 11:58:17 AM
Nothing would please me more. Nobody needs you.
The site is expressly about transcendence. And you don't get it.
Transcendence from screaming infant to realized man, via the unlikely mediums of deathmetal and nihilism.
So long.
Title: Re: Denigrating science to inflate the religious ego
Post by: Sr.Aquiles on May 09, 2014, 12:22:51 PM
The problem with science is that it never achieves true conclusions. And then we have the dogma of uncertainty and relativity.

Science is useful, necessary and challenging. Although, it has some pitfalls (in the method and practice) and undesirable outcomes (technology dependence, pollution, overpopulation, etc...)

It has value. However, humanity should not be limited only to it. There is a place for religion too. An important one that of refining the character of man and his relation with life and reality.

Science and religion are not incompatible. The complete man is experienced in both areas. This discussion is always brought because of some kind of prejudice against one of the sides.

There is plurality in this question. Integration is needed.
Title: Re: Denigrating science to inflate the religious ego
Post by: crow on May 09, 2014, 12:27:08 PM
You are right. Unrealized people do unreasonable things. Warfare is always more appealing to those, than cooperation.
I've often tried, for example, to cooperate with Christians. But they, on the whole, will have none of it.
Dogma on either side, is the undoing of what might have been.

Title: Re: Denigrating science to inflate the religious ego
Post by: Vigilance on May 09, 2014, 12:30:44 PM
Integration is not helpful I think. When the two disciplines overlap, you get people looking for cosmic tooling marks from God's CNC. Answering the questions of how live in this world cannot be answered by facts, they must be made on the basis of faith. Faith and values.
Title: Re: Denigrating science to inflate the religious ego
Post by: crow on May 09, 2014, 12:41:51 PM
In order to even have faith, somebody, sometime, must have actually had to know what he was talking about.
The truth can be known, but historically, not by very many.
Faith comes from the experience of those few; if it didn't, then it would be no more than fantasy/superstition.
Title: Re: Denigrating science to inflate the religious ego
Post by: Sr.Aquiles on May 09, 2014, 12:43:47 PM
Dogma on either side, is the undoing of what might have been.

A great diagnosis, without solution. That is a terminal illness.

Integration is not helpful I think. When the two disciplines overlap, you get people looking for cosmic tooling marks from God's CNC. Answering the questions of how live in this world cannot be answered by facts, they must be made on the basis of faith. Faith and values.

Sorry, i expressed myself badly. The integration i was talking about is a kind of mutual respect, without bashing one another. Real integration of both would be horrendous. Something in the lines of the tom cruise's sect.
Title: Re: Denigrating science to inflate the religious ego
Post by: Vigilance on May 09, 2014, 12:44:58 PM
No worries. I'm clear now what you mean and I agree with you.
Title: Re: Denigrating science to inflate the religious ego
Post by: Saif al-Malik on May 09, 2014, 01:32:19 PM
As a scientist and a student of religion, I can say that most people do not really know what either is.  Traditional religion in its more pure sense of understanding is completely beyond the grasp of many people today.  They even go so far as to equate modern religious forms such as "fundamentalism" or the like with "traditional."

Some scientists and religious people alike have no capacity for actual thought and debate, let alone real groundbreaking research, and should be doing something else as they are a hindrance to both fields.
Title: Re: Denigrating science to inflate the religious ego
Post by: crow on May 09, 2014, 02:54:46 PM
You are right, as usual. A sane man is a rarity, more's the pity.
Title: Re: Denigrating science to inflate the religious ego
Post by: crow on May 09, 2014, 02:58:06 PM
No worries. I'm clear now what you mean and I agree with you.

It would be useful to discard this dependence upon others making themselves clear to the reader.
It is the reader's responsibility to discover, for himself, any meaning there is.
It would also be useful to move beyond agree/disagree.
With such a convention set in stone, one is forever unable to expand or adapt.


Title: Re: Denigrating science to inflate the religious ego
Post by: Vigilance on May 09, 2014, 03:43:49 PM
I appreciate that he took the time to clarify. Are you really trying to bring the hammer down on two people showing a little good will and civility? L

 
Title: Re: Denigrating science to inflate the religious ego
Post by: crow on May 09, 2014, 03:52:50 PM
I appreciate that he took the time to clarify. Are you really trying to bring the hammer down on two people showing a little good will and civility? L

Not trying for anything. I do what I need to do in the interests of the forum as a whole. Which takes precedence over any individual's self interest, or babying anyone's fragile ego. I keep score of 'goodwill' as expressed here. Your own score is rather low, while Sr.Aquiles score is positively stratospheric.
As you may have noticed, Wild's score was well into the minus numbers.
So sad.

Live and learn. Or not. Only results matter.
Title: Re: Denigrating science to inflate the religious ego
Post by: Imposition on May 10, 2014, 12:14:58 AM
Nothing would please me more. Nobody needs you.
The site is expressly about transcendence. And you don't get it.
Transcendence from screaming infant to realized man, via the unlikely mediums of deathmetal and nihilism.
So long.

Woa, isn't Wild a staff writer and contributor of actual content for this site? It's often I don't agree with his points, but we manage better than this exchange just here...

What do you mean 'nobody needs him' - if he's a writer, then of course he is needed?

Am I missing something here?
Title: Re: Denigrating science to inflate the religious ego
Post by: Imposition on May 10, 2014, 12:18:55 AM
It's a popular thing in some conservative circles (and this forum of late) to stand up for religion against the terrible onslaught of fanatical scientific atheism that's single-handily destroying Western Civilization. Oh dear.

While the merits of this are still to be seen, what's most intriguing to me are the ways in which people go about counter-acting this. Science is accused of being arrogant, of not being able to explain how we got here, and not being able to explain why we exist.

It's my challenge that all 3 of these are absurd.

To the first, science is actually the most humble discourse humans have ever attempted to understand "reality" - and certainly far more so than religion. Consider: science never says it has the final answer. It is always open to new evidence and contemplation of things which were heretofore considered ludicrous. Not only that, but it is based upon observing what can be perceived, in a careful and verifiable way.

Contrast this to religion, which inevitably claims final and complete knowledge. It is extraordinarily reactionary against anything that contradicts its dogma, and its methods are almost entirely subjective, relying on what's occurring in the internal nervous system of the individual, whether from a true shaman or a dishonest epileptic rabbi. The problem with this is that it is impossible to communicate what was experienced, as nothing is external to be observed.

To the second, while science cannot yet answer that question, it is collecting information and forming hypotheses, until enough evidence is gathered to justify a conclusion. That's called humbleness.

You know what isn't humble?

Declaring: "God made the universe in seven days, the Sun orbits the Earth, and if you don't agree, prepare to get toasted."

Now, on to the last point. It's here that the criticism is true: science can't explain why we exist. However, why I think this charge is absurd is because nothing else can either. Sure, you can invent all sorts of reasons/explanations/bullshit, collect them in a holy book, and off you go; but that doesn't make it true.

What's particularly funny is that the people who do that call others arrogant!

I'm very much in favour of the suggestion that a certain scientific outlook is clearly (with a bit of reflection on this concepts) more reverent, and ego-less than some 'spirituality'.

Science is suspending judgement that derives from older cognitive tendencies, intuitive/natural/unreflective cognition, that evolved to get us fucking and fleeing and eating. Science is about cultivating cognitive habbits that are by their very nature unnatural - and so transcendental - which is why you can teach a 5 year old child a religious narrative but learning physics takes you 25 years of painful education (read: brute overcoming of implicit ways of thinking to learn new and more powerful/objective cognitive tricks).

Nothing could be more reverent of prior structures, reality, Being, than going through such a process in order to comprehend it more fully. Nothing could be more religious?!
Title: Re: Denigrating science to inflate the religious ego
Post by: Transilvania on May 10, 2014, 02:57:18 AM
Common to those who lack understanding and to those who have it is a desire to know- despite the strong differences between such notions. This is the great fault as I see it- the desire to know is quite often embattled by the things we cannot know through this desire.

I like to think that when things mean differently to varying individuals something akin to 'coal to diamonds' makes itself known.

___

I dislike sectarianism though, because understanding is common to all fields of inquiry- though fields are all artificialized. We could probably translate this thread title into something a bit less 'specific' and more common to certain relative positions. Sorry for the obfuscation here, it's hard for me to put into words what I mean.
Title: Re: Denigrating science to inflate the religious ego
Post by: Imposition on May 10, 2014, 07:41:23 AM
Common to those who lack understanding and to those who have it is a desire to know- despite the strong differences between such notions. This is the great fault as I see it- the desire to know is quite often embattled by the things we cannot know through this desire.

I like to think that when things mean differently to varying individuals something akin to 'coal to diamonds' makes itself known.

___

I dislike sectarianism though, because understanding is common to all fields of inquiry- though fields are all artificialized. We could probably translate this thread title into something a bit less 'specific' and more common to certain relative positions. Sorry for the obfuscation here, it's hard for me to put into words what I mean.

I didn't understand your whole post, but I understood your concern with endless desiring-to-know.

This can be a problem. One needs to be/do/exist as well as grasp at the unknown. However, this desire to 'be', to be 'thoughtless' or, what is basically the same, 'at peace', is more or less itself just a desired state (desired by the 'ego', if this is even an objectively real entity at all which of course it isn't - the brain is much more complex than 2 or 3 tendencies) - desired, in this case, because it leads to good mental health/pleasantness/etc. You could get this by finding the perfect drug, perhaps call this perfect drug 'SOMA', and imagine that it could be taken every few hours with no long term side effects and that it keeps you 'in the flow, man, with being'.

Contrast this, the 'spiritual', 'being at one', 'inner peace', etc, with gazing into the abyss of the universe to understand it. Casting the spiritual in the light of a desired, human-all-to-human state of feeling, I think brings it off its high horse.
Title: Re: Denigrating science to inflate the religious ego
Post by: Vigilance on May 10, 2014, 07:44:07 AM
Nothing would please me more. Nobody needs you.
The site is expressly about transcendence. And you don't get it.
Transcendence from screaming infant to realized man, via the unlikely mediums of deathmetal and nihilism.
So long.

Woa, isn't Wild a staff writer and contributor of actual content for this site? It's often I don't agree with his points, but we manage better than this exchange just here...

What do you mean 'nobody needs him' - if he's a writer, then of course he is needed?

Am I missing something here?

I think Jon is just banned from the forum. Not sure if he will continue contributing to the front page.
Title: Re: Denigrating science to inflate the religious ego
Post by: Imposition on May 10, 2014, 07:46:15 AM
Nothing would please me more. Nobody needs you.
The site is expressly about transcendence. And you don't get it.
Transcendence from screaming infant to realized man, via the unlikely mediums of deathmetal and nihilism.
So long.

Woa, isn't Wild a staff writer and contributor of actual content for this site? It's often I don't agree with his points, but we manage better than this exchange just here...

What do you mean 'nobody needs him' - if he's a writer, then of course he is needed?

Am I missing something here?

I think Jon is just banned from the forum. Not sure if he will continue contributing to the front page.

What a stupid state of affairs. And he just recommended me a book in pvt message, which I wanted to thank him for doing, and now can't.
Title: Re: Denigrating science to inflate the religious ego
Post by: death metal black metal on May 10, 2014, 09:33:44 AM
To the first, science is actually the most humble discourse humans have ever attempted to understand "reality" - and certainly far more so than religion.

If science were practiced this way, it would be great.

The problem occurs when science takes a detail and reads more into it than is there.

If correctly interpreted, science is agnostic. Not atheistic.

I refuse to partake in any religious ritual that isn't in parallel with logic (actual logic, not rationalization) and natural reality.

This is why I'm a goddamn monist.

Crow is too, although he doesn't like using that term for it. (Note: my trust of Crow is based on who he is as a person, not his religious beliefs, non-religious beliefs, vinyl collection -- sweet FAOD brah -- or anything other non-intrinsic trait. I have a similar belief in Jon Wild although I know less of him.)

Before we dramatize this... let's consider context and how to make something positive out of it.
Title: Re: Denigrating science to inflate the religious ego
Post by: crow on May 10, 2014, 09:37:50 AM
Woa, isn't Wild a staff writer and contributor of actual content for this site? It's often I don't agree with his points, but we manage better than this exchange just here...

What do you mean 'nobody needs him' - if he's a writer, then of course he is needed?

Am I missing something here?

I think Jon is just banned from the forum. Not sure if he will continue contributing to the front page.

Contribution is no excuse to wreck the works.
Yes. You are missing quite a lot.
Nobody needs childish tantrums.
If it were possible to exclude someone only from this forum, and not site-wide, then that would be the case.
Unfortunately the software does not allow for such distinctions.
Title: Re: Denigrating science to inflate the religious ego
Post by: crow on May 10, 2014, 09:40:47 AM
What a stupid state of affairs. And he just recommended me a book in pvt message, which I wanted to thank him for doing, and now can't.

Well. That's too bad. Do you think everything should be organized around your convenience?
If you're grateful, then that's enough, in itself. Even more so, since you've made it public.
Only ego demands to be able to be seen to deliver the message personally.
Title: Re: Denigrating science to inflate the religious ego
Post by: crow on May 10, 2014, 09:50:03 AM
What we see here, once again, is the intellectual using what he calls 'reason' only as a tool to get what he wants.
Reason, to the intellectual, signals to him that he is right. And being right, everybody must recognize that.
He will stick to this delusion even unto his own extinction, because it is reason, and he is being reasonable.

But he isn't. He's being an ignorant halfwit.

Reason, actually, includes the ability to not follow one's fellow brain cells over the cliff of doom, like just another silly lemming.

I can't help but notice, time and again, that atheism, mixed with intellect, removes from people their ability to get along with each other.
Title: Re: Denigrating science to inflate the religious ego
Post by: Balogna on May 10, 2014, 10:13:50 AM
Crow, I may be more inclined to agree with you, but I recommend avoiding perturbation.

Wild, I'm equally irritated with pop-apologetic: I don't have a problem with science in itself, except when it's used as an ideological method for manipulation. But I think your conclusions are impractical. You take issue with those who denigrate science because you believe they do so in order to think highly of themselves, which implies that what most bothers you is that someone who doesn't agree with your pet-ideology thinks they're cooler than you.

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Against criticism a man can neither protest nor defend himself; he must act in spite of it, and then it will gradually yield to him. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

This is the problem with modernity: it's more obsessed with abstract status-symbols than results. But don't misunderstand me - if you thought that the conservatism that this website espouses is a fear that liberalism doesn't run a materialistic economy well-enough to allow people to masturbate safely within the confines of their private property without fear that mismanagement will force them into danger, then you came to the wrong website. You'd be better off reading Ayn Rand than the material here.

ANUS, and later Amerika, always spoke out against that brand of thinly disguised liberalism called neo-conservatism. They have supported an efficient use of our resources, but for the purposes of manifesting a vision of greatness. I'd like to ask everyone to remember the years of material upon which this current edifice is founded, because that old maxim that reality lacks inherent meaning renders this struggle of the ego a moot-point. We can decide that life is beautiful enough to construct a microcosm of it, and be pleased with it; or we can choose to carefully preserve our delusions until we're too old and feeble to carry on. There's a lot of different paths to this goal, and some fit the description of being 'religious' while others don't.
Title: Re: Denigrating science to inflate the religious ego
Post by: crow on May 10, 2014, 10:25:13 AM
Crow, I may be more inclined to agree with you, but I recommend avoiding perturbation.

Good comment.
I had to look up 'peturbation', it being a word I've never used in my life.
It's a state difficult to avoid when one is charged with maintaining/enforcing order, whether one feels like doing it, or not. I am a human, after all, and a decidedly sensitive one.
I get upset, sometimes, at the utter chaos of people's behaviour, but not to the point where it renders me incapable of measured decision making.
I dislike engaging in unpleasantness, but once engaged, am prone to kick ass, rather than run away.
Seems a manly trait to me. So I endure it.
Title: Re: Denigrating science to inflate the religious ego
Post by: Balogna on May 10, 2014, 10:29:45 AM
Aggression is manly, just as long as it has an end in encouraging the growth of the good, the beautiful - whatever you call it. Passions are tools, they can be used for effective and ineffective purposes; good and bad ends.
Title: Re: Denigrating science to inflate the religious ego
Post by: death metal black metal on May 10, 2014, 10:44:32 AM
Wild is doing the same thing, which is when challenged, attacking with ferocity.

His point bears consideration, or rather the sub-point he is making: the politicization of science is not the fault of the process known (once) as "science" itself.

I defer to the Greeks of course, who between little boys would have referred to both science and Crow's Dharma (http://www.amerika.org/science/dharma/)-based thinking as "science."

I hope Wild can come back. Luckily this and other internet drama is out of my hands and in more capable hands, so I'll trust that to resolve the situation.
Title: Re: Denigrating science to inflate the religious ego
Post by: Vigilance on May 10, 2014, 10:46:11 AM
To the first, science is actually the most humble discourse humans have ever attempted to understand "reality" - and certainly far more so than religion.

If science were practiced this way, it would be great.

It is, but there's also a lot of solipsism. The same thing happened to the Greeks and after hitting critical mass, it collapsed and was absorbed, refined and integrated into another method of Human investigation, the one we are discussing now. It's a matter of time before Empiricism is brought back down to earth. The only thing that would prevent this action is the barbarism noted in this thread, since all things are contingency.

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Before we dramatize this... let's consider context and how to make something positive out of it.

This would be great, if it were possible.

It's been communicated on multiple occasions that the one rule of your house was that your guests had to be kind to one another and could not attack or insult each other. If they did break that rule, you'd sick your dog on them. That's not really true though, is it? If a guest shares a thought that the dog doesn't like, the dog bites. Like his first reply to this thread which is one among NUMEROUS examples of the dog attacking your guests when they didn't break your cardinal rule. We've also learned from this thread that two guests conducting civil and charitable conversation can provoke your dog if the dog doesn't like the manner or content of that conversation.

We know you like your dog, but nobody is going to want to come over to your house anymore if they have to walk on eggshells. Especially if the "do as I say not as I do" principle remains with regards to behavior.
Title: Re: Denigrating science to inflate the religious ego
Post by: crow on May 10, 2014, 10:48:44 AM
Balogna: I never engage in aggression for the sake of it. I've always hated that characteristic in bullies.
I am, as all my studies inform me, a defender of the right.
Not my right. The Right.

Which, when you consider it, dispassionately, is ideal admin material.
It is rarely appreciated, or welcomed, but it is demonstrably necessary.
Title: Re: Denigrating science to inflate the religious ego
Post by: Balogna on May 10, 2014, 10:50:34 AM
Wild is doing the same thing, which is when challenged, attacking with ferocity.

Right, which isn't a problem in itself. It becomes one when it's only end is asserting the ego.
Title: Re: Denigrating science to inflate the religious ego
Post by: crow on May 10, 2014, 10:52:42 AM
Vigilance, there is no point your remaining here. Your intellect will never back down from your unassailable conviction that you are right, will always be right, and that's that.
Who, in their right mind, would continue to attack and denigrate the one person who will defeat them, no matter what?
Digest that for a moment or two, while I hover over the forever-ban button.
See if you can rise above your whatever-it is.
But be quick.
Title: Re: Denigrating science to inflate the religious ego
Post by: crow on May 10, 2014, 10:53:44 AM
Wild is doing the same thing, which is when challenged, attacking with ferocity.

Right, which isn't a problem in itself. It becomes one when it's only end is asserting the ego.


Absolutely. The problem is that ego-filled people are unable to recognize ego-less behaviour.
Title: Re: Denigrating science to inflate the religious ego
Post by: Vigilance on May 10, 2014, 11:19:25 AM
Must be nice to be the one doing the banning for once, instead of being banned or outright ignored elsewhere. Having control over a dwindling online community as opposed to be outted of all the rest. ANUS spent its life cycle in total hostility towards other online communities, its dissidents, its contributors and its host civilization. A deconstructionist, reactionary pseudo-conservative, dystopia. You are the perfect heir to the throne. I shouldn't have been hostile to you. You aren't dragging this forum down, you are an almost perfect embodiment of it and its ideals. Good bye Crow.
Title: Re: Denigrating science to inflate the religious ego
Post by: crow on May 10, 2014, 11:21:14 AM
Good bye. I should have listened more closely to my instincts long ago, and many times since.
I shall do exactly that, from now on, and that is your major contribution to this site.