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Title: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Dylar on December 12, 2006, 05:49:48 PM
Tomorrow is the 5 year anniversary of the Death frontman's AIDS related passing.

Don't forget to remind the simpering sheep of the metal community that Chuck was a traitor (http://www.anus.com/metal/about/metal/chuck_schuldiner.html) at every opportunity (and, it's a great way to promote the site in the process!).
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: More Celt Than Sassenach on December 13, 2006, 09:25:12 PM
i still find this site bashes the man more then he deserves
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on December 14, 2006, 04:15:12 AM
everywhere else praises him more than he deserves though, this is a balancing act

plus only faggots get offended by stuff like this so it's win-win as far as i'm concerned
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: death metal black metal on December 14, 2006, 12:22:41 PM
Note:

If you have trouble with "eugenic posting policy," we'll clear it up for you right now: posts with no informational value go away. It's not personal. You are not being judged. Your post is. We don't care and we do not hold it against you. We do it to everyone equally if they post crap. But we are not going to tolerate garbage that you're forcing others to read.

All questions -> the goddamn contact form (http://www.anus.com/mock)
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Annihilaytorr on December 14, 2006, 02:50:24 PM
To delete all the worthless posts in this thread would involve cutting this one off at the neck.  

Chuck fanboys are retards, but so are the fanboys of most bands, and this band's course is really no different than most other metal bands that originally had something to contibute and say, but eventually ran astray for whatever reason. As you once said, all metal bands eventually raise their tombstones. Same shit different day.


My Chuck facts list was better.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: IIIIII on December 15, 2006, 05:13:00 AM
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Note:
 
If you have trouble with "eugenic posting policy," we'll clear it up for you right now: posts with no informational value go away.


But not posts like this one?

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Tomorrow is the 5 year anniversary of the Death frontman's AIDS related passing.
 
Don't forget to remind the simpering sheep of the metal community that Chuck was a traitor at every opportunity (and, it's a great way to promote the site in the process!).


What the hell is the point of all the Chuck Schuldiner bashing? It's just unproductive and childish.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Stranger on December 15, 2006, 05:33:19 AM
There appears to be confusion as to this website's definition of "garbage", which I understand, is entirely based on whoever has the final say here.

This thread, in my mind, was garbage to begin with; which is why people are questioning it's, "informational value".  But that's just my take.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: born for banning on December 15, 2006, 12:23:23 PM
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To delete all the worthless posts in this thread would involve cutting this one off at the neck.


Why are you replying? I think it's funny. Hurt the sacred cows.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: More Celt Than Sassenach on December 15, 2006, 02:38:50 PM
well just the fact that within a few posts we are talking about posting polices as opposed to the original question (er statement in this case) shows that the compost is the true home for this post
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Nile577 on December 17, 2006, 10:29:58 AM
Deathrasher: Do you like DEATH? What is your opinion about Chuck Schuldiner both as person as much as musician?

Martin van Drunen: "I like their first and a bit of 'Leprosy'. The rest weren't that good I think. 'Scream Bloody Gore' is a death metal classic every fan should have. Just like the demos. Killer material. Chuck, however, wasn't a sympathetic man. I got to know him on the U.S. tour and I never liked the guy. Very unpredictable. He canceled shows for no reason. Treated bands, fans and roadies often like shit. In the end his roadies Louie and Walt (where the hell are you now guys??) were sleeping in our van 'coz they couldn't stand his company. That says it all. Therefore his death meant not much to me. He wrote some killer songs in the beginning and he had a good voice too, but later on he lost it all.

"Everybody's always talking about Chuck. But nobody remembers Fred from French MASSACRA. Now for that man I would do a tribute. A nice man and friend. A 100% metalhead. Never forgot he puked all over my toilet, haha. Bonjour, Fred, RIP. This glass is to you..."

http://www.deaththrasher.com/dtinterviews/vaNDRUNEN_eng.htm
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: More Celt Than Sassenach on December 17, 2006, 11:15:19 AM
i think that sums up chuck nicely, i just think people on this site only ever think of his bad albums all the while his good works go unnoticed and upraised. Denzel Washington
said that this was a balancing act but a still think people are over critical of him, i mean if we judged bands by there worst album who would be left in tacked
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: born for banning on December 17, 2006, 12:56:11 PM
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Deathrasher: Do you like DEATH? What is your opinion about Chuck Schuldiner both as person as much as musician?

Martin van Drunen: "I like their first and a bit of 'Leprosy'. The rest weren't that good I think. 'Scream Bloody Gore' is a death metal classic every fan should have. Just like the demos. Killer material. Chuck, however, wasn't a sympathetic man. I got to know him on the U.S. tour and I never liked the guy. Very unpredictable. He canceled shows for no reason. Treated bands, fans and roadies often like shit. In the end his roadies Louie and Walt (where the hell are you now guys??) were sleeping in our van 'coz they couldn't stand his company. That says it all. Therefore his death meant not much to me. He wrote some killer songs in the beginning and he had a good voice too, but later on he lost it all.

"Everybody's always talking about Chuck. But nobody remembers Fred from French MASSACRA. Now for that man I would do a tribute. A nice man and friend. A 100% metalhead. Never forgot he puked all over my toilet, haha. Bonjour, Fred, RIP. This glass is to you..."

http://www.deaththrasher.com/dtinterviews/vaNDRUNEN_eng.htm


This about sums up my views as well, although I never knew Fred Death. There were more talented people and the early death albums were not entirely authored by Chuck. I would rather we talked about the music and the best of the music than someone of little note but I think it is good to grow out of pity and sometimes to slander Chuck helps that.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: More Celt Than Sassenach on December 19, 2006, 10:46:16 AM
yes i agree, there is little point in talking about the author the the music in this case, and also to hate him makes him just as large a part of your life as to love him, it would be best to simply know the group he was in rather then the man himself  
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Maire_Reed on December 20, 2006, 11:58:21 AM
Bashing Chuck in this manner is repellent.

He was not a Christian.  He was not ignorant.  Nor did he die of AIDS.  What nonsense all of this is.

Since  I am no expert on the inner workings of Chuck's mind I cannot comment much on the Christianity "traitor" element of this smear.  However, this is why it should be manifestly clear he did not die of AIDS.  Chuck Shuldiner was undergoing chemotherapy when he died.  No one dying of AIDS receives chemo because such treatment  further degrades an already weakened immune system.  People with Kaposi's sarcoma have to be reasonably strong to get chemo, and even then they do not receive aggressive treatments if they are too sick.  There are people with AIDS who develop non-Hodgkin's lymphoma who never receive chemo because chemo combined with AIDS will kill them faster than the lymphoma can.  If Chuck was so far gone with AIDS that he was dying, he would not have been on chemo.  Period.

Add to this that a NECROTIC TUMOR was removed from his brain, causing an initial misdiagnosis of a rare form of cancer.  It is unknown what he died from, but necrotic brain tumors are not now, nor were they ever, symptoms of AIDS.

If this isn't enough, bear in mind that Chuck was uninsured and there were many benefits and shows held to raise money for Chuck's treatment.  Lots of people, directly and indirectly, were involved in his treatment.  This wasn't Rock Hudson dying quietly.  This was a man fighting overtly for his life. So how is it exactly that this man who is called stupid by some on this site managed to hide the nature of his illness so well without anyone finding out?   Because the only place you will find assertions that Chuck died of AIDS is on anus.com.  It's not because anus somehow "knows" the truth.  It's because someone has a hard-on for Chuck or is smearing his name to suit their own agenda.

Truly shameful stuff guys.  The man died of a mysterious condition and people from anus.com saw fit to harass his mother.  Of course, agendas know no shame, do they?

Honestly, why not pick on the living?  Or is that too hard, with a living entity to refute you?  I fear some of you are are you getting your ducks in a row to malign Jared Anderson.  I say this because the attempt to assert that Jesse Pintado died of AIDS didn't really get much of a reaction, did it?

And yeah, I know.  Banned and BAHLEETED!  I'm crying inside.  Really.  I am.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: ultranex on December 20, 2006, 12:16:49 PM
I want to slice you to ribbons for the spelling of your name alone, you stinking used tampon.

The great mystery of Schuldiner's condition is why he wrote "Support music, not rumors" in every fucking release.  Well, I found out through this board it's cause he liked underage boys.  Rot fag corpse, rot.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: JaPeL on December 20, 2006, 12:28:41 PM
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Bashing Chuck in this manner is repellent.

He was not a Christian.  He was not ignorant.  Nor did he die of AIDS.  What nonsense all of this is.

Since  I am no expert on the inner workings of Chuck's mind I cannot comment much on the Christianity "traitor" element of this smear.  However, this is why it should be manifestly clear he did not die of AIDS.  Chuck Shuldiner was undergoing chemotherapy when he died.  No one dying of AIDS receives chemo because such treatment  further degrades an already weakened immune system.  People with Kaposi's sarcoma have to be reasonably strong to get chemo, and even then they do not receive aggressive treatments if they are too sick.  There are people with AIDS who develop non-Hodgkin's lymphoma who never receive chemo because chemo combined with AIDS will kill them faster than the lymphoma can.  If Chuck was so far gone with AIDS that he was dying, he would not have been on chemo.  Period.

Add to this that a NECROTIC TUMOR was removed from his brain, causing an initial misdiagnosis of a rare form of cancer.  It is unknown what he died from, but necrotic brain tumors are not now, nor were they ever, symptoms of AIDS.

If this isn't enough, bear in mind that Chuck was uninsured and there were many benefits and shows held to raise money for Chuck's treatment.  Lots of people, directly and indirectly, were involved in his treatment.  This wasn't Rock Hudson dying quietly.  This was a man fighting overtly for his life. So how is it exactly that this man who is called stupid by some on this site managed to hide the nature of his illness so well without anyone finding out?   Because the only place you will find assertions that Chuck died of AIDS is on anus.com.  It's not because anus somehow "knows" the truth.  It's because someone has a hard-on for Chuck or is smearing his name to suit their own agenda.

Truly shameful stuff guys.  The man died of a mysterious condition and people from anus.com saw fit to harass his mother.  Of course, agendas know no shame, do they?

Honestly, why not pick on the living?  Or is that too hard, with a living entity to refute you?  I fear some of you are are you getting your ducks in a row to malign Jared Anderson.  I say this because the attempt to assert that Jesse Pintado died of AIDS didn't really get much of a reaction, did it?

And yeah, I know.  Banned and BAHLEETED!  I'm crying inside.  Really.  I am.


maybe the "he died of AIDS" its a metaphor... in this site when an album is "crap" they relate it to "AIDS" (look at the post of atheist in the audiofile section) the same goes to people, chuck was a traitor (crap albums, became christian, etc., etc.)
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: ultranex on December 20, 2006, 12:38:53 PM
MO-ya?
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: More Celt Than Sassenach on December 20, 2006, 10:35:35 PM
saying he died of AIDS is our way of saying at the time of his death metal would not miss him and in fact would carry on better without him much like JaPeL said
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: meganerd on December 20, 2006, 11:23:40 PM
The AIDS "epidemic" is a symptom of a weak and diseased society.  So is the music that Chuck made later in his career.  Calling his music "gay midget fecal porn (GMFP)" would be a similar insult for example.

Still though, Chuck being a traitor doesn't explain the level of contempt directed at him from this site.  That's more because of the violent iconoclasm that's characteristic of anus.com.  Chuck was being placed on a pedestal around the time of his death that was entirely undeserved given his artistic contributions and his current (at that time) value to the metal and human community.  Personally, I fully support what might be called "overreactions" from this site over issues like Chuck's death, as a balance to the rest of society.  

To be honest though, that letter that Prozak supposedly wrote to Chuck's mom is the ONLY thing that's ever come out of this site that doesn't have my full support.  A mother has the right to grieve, uniterrupted, for her son, even if he was a worthless asshole.  This is not moralistic secularized Christianity, this is basic human decency which can be arrived at through introspection and logic, not dogma and moral conformity.  
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: born for banning on December 21, 2006, 05:42:22 AM
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Chuck being a traitor doesn't explain the level of contempt directed at him from this site.  That's more because of the violent iconoclasm that's characteristic of anus.com. 


A traitor who gets credit others deserve? Most red-blooded people would consider that person worthy of contempt if not outright desecration.

It's obvious he died of AIDS. We never heard about cancer treatment, only that he was getting worse. He required extensive blood transfusions. He disappeared entirely from view during his treatment and no one close to him would talk about it. His parents and friends don't want you to know that he died of AIDS, because who would? But if you read between the lines, it's quite possible and in fact likely that Chuck died of AIDS.

There are so many targets of contempt though that it's hard to pick one. Chuck is a symbol for sold-out cheesy Florida death metal that had no ideas and so gave up and went Christian. That's why he's hated. It's not about Chuck, but what he represents.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Annihilaytorr on December 21, 2006, 08:28:41 AM
Maybe it's because I avoid the "metal scene" mostly but outside of this website I almost never hear about Chuck anymore.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: wEEman33 on December 21, 2006, 09:39:08 AM
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Maybe it's because I avoid the "metal scene" mostly


Your assumption is correct. Shuldiner worship is present in just about every apsect of the "metal scene" these days (i.e., the bands, the fans, the labels, the press, etc.).
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: born for banning on December 22, 2006, 07:55:59 AM
We should just rename him "Metal Jesus." Probably Dimebag Darrell was "Metal Moses."
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: More Celt Than Sassenach on December 22, 2006, 04:24:36 PM
and people think Dimebag was innovative, wonder what they would think if they came across a band with real value
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Packo Crowley on December 22, 2006, 06:51:09 PM
English isn't my mother thong, so I listen more to the music than focus in the lyrics, so I like until the Human album. Have some great riffs across all 4 albums. But Death is not the only band in the world.
Support music, not chuck
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: buckets_of_rain on December 22, 2006, 08:39:04 PM
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and people think Dimebag was innovative, wonder what they would think if they came across a band with real value


My man, you are assuming people in general know real value when they see it.  The fact that they praise Dimebag as their celebrity messiah shows that real artistic value is boring and lost on them.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Maire_Reed on December 23, 2006, 10:47:09 AM
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maybe the "he died of AIDS" its a metaphor... in this site when an album is "crap" they relate it to "AIDS" (look at the post of atheist in the audiofile section) the same goes to people, chuck was a traitor (crap albums, became christian, etc., etc.)


Thanks for the interpretation, but I still think that anus.com is trying to convey that the man died of AIDS.  I do not think this is a metaphor.

In the thread in the news section about Jesse Pintado's death, it is said that Jesse Pintado died of AIDS, going on to describe how the man died after getting thinner and thinner.  Then it is said he died of AIDS, after an HIV infection, like Chuck Shuldiner.  It is also asserted they tried to hide the fact they died of AIDS.  This is pretty specific for a metaphor.   It seems as if the word AIDS is being used to convey the very specific idea that Chuck died of AIDS.  So I stand by my original interpretation.

But thanks for responding to me in a civil manner meant to convey information.  I appreciate it.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Maire_Reed on December 23, 2006, 10:54:26 AM
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I want to slice you to ribbons for the spelling of your name alone, you stinking used tampon.

The great mystery of Schuldiner's condition is why he wrote "Support music, not rumors" in every fucking release.  Well, I found out through this board it's cause he liked underage boys.  Rot fag corpse, rot.



Unless you are confusing "Maire" with "Marie" the spelling of my name should in no way inspire a need to slice me to ribbons. Though I do understand loathing people who misspell their own names. Used tampon?  Seriously, are you really this angry?  Because if you are you should pull yourself together posthaste.  

This board is the ONLY place online where anything is reported about Chuck and AIDS.  Every rumor about him being gay or dying of AIDS traces back here, so I am not surprised that you read here that he liked small boys.  Lots of bad information is spread about musicians and lots of them try to combat it.  His need to quell rumors about himself when alive is not surprising, and given the posthumous bash he receives here, why would anyone hold that against him?
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: More Celt Than Sassenach on December 23, 2006, 01:46:22 PM
everyone (hopefully)  on his site knows how the man died but i guess since people praise him for things he did not accomplish i guess this site accuses him of things he did not have/do (this is merely and interpretation since i cant read the minds of my fellow patrons on this site)
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Cynical on December 24, 2006, 11:51:40 AM
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sorry you can't play the guitar, and you have to bash people who can (or could).

I wasn't aware that we bashed Immolation, Gorguts, Suffocation, Pessimist, Infester, Incantation, Morbid Angel, Atrocity, Acerbus, or any of a league of bands far more "technical" than Death ever was.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: More Celt Than Sassenach on December 24, 2006, 11:59:24 AM
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wow, if you hate Death so much, why do you spend so much time talking about them?  sorry you can't play the guitar, and you have to bash people who can (or could).   Who cares what religion a person is.  If they are putting out good music, isn't that all that matters?  I would listen to Mortification if they were good!  Fuck you.  By the way, what fucking retarted Nihilist black metal band are you in?  I will be sure to never support them.  Have some respect for the dead you FUCKING RETARD!   I hope when you die, nobody even thinks about caring.  Chances are with your attitude, nobody will.



what you don't realize is metal is more then just a sound, and you give no evidence as to why we cant
be critical of him, so why should we stop?
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Cynical on December 24, 2006, 12:59:37 PM
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I never said technical you did.

You mentioned ability to play guitar.

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You are just consumed by hatred... I am sure that a severe life trauma will happen to you one day.  Maybe your spouse and children will die in a fire or something... Second, I wish you had been in those towers... man, you need a fucking terrific ass fucking whooping.

Anyone else notice the hypocrisy here?

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I would just like to comment on your little trade center drawing.  You are a great artist first and foremost.

I didn't draw it.  You can find it, and more (including works from Boyd Rice), at www.unpopart.org (NSFW, pornographic images).
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 Second, I wish you had been in those towers.  You do remember that like 3000 people died that day right?  is that funny to you?

Actually, I find it awesome.  The U.S. pushes the middle east a step too far, and they strike back, and we act surprised.  The 9/11 attacks were an act of great love- love of those pilots for their home lands and culture- so why shouldn't it be immortalized in a valentine?

Besides which, we have nearly 7 billion people on this planet.  What are 3,000?  NOTHING.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: oscar the cat on December 24, 2006, 01:04:06 PM
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Who cares what religion a person is.  If they are putting out good music, isn't that all that matters?


Yeah, who cares if they're a moron and pushing out their moronic view onto the world, and it makes us slaves to the Great Moron in the sky. Who cares if we all die because morons lead us. As long as they can play hard rock with death metal vocals and die of AIDS, man, they're awlright, ya know? Chuck was cool with me, man, he was another brother on the downlow and if the virus got him, well those are the breaks but we're gonna miss him and his ill Motley Crue cover band, Death.

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You do remember that like 3000 people died that day right?  is that funny to you?


Yo, it's dawnright hilarious. A nigga's gotta take care of his own, ya know, and what happens outside the hood ain't my concern. Stockbrokers and al-Qaeda go up in flames man, I ain't even thinkin' outside South Central and dunno what their trip is. South Central, representin'

peace out dawg
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: More Celt Than Sassenach on December 24, 2006, 02:32:02 PM
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I never said technical you did.  I like many forms of music that are not technical.  Burzum is not technical, and you love the fuck out of that shit I am sure, as do I.  You are just consumed by hatred.  I was actually the same way when I was 17 years old.  you have problems, and you are looking for a scapegoat to blame it on.  whatever.  You cannot have respect for others until you respect yourself.  Sad.  I am sure that a severe life trauma will happen to you one day.  Maybe your spouse and children will die in a fire or something.  I am sure that when that happens, you will look at the world differently.  



we have given reasons beyond simple hate for hate sake against chuck, yet you say we are consumed by it, am i not allowed to hate/dislike anything not matter how valid my reasons are? And also you are the one going on about how you want him and his children to die yet you accuse us of hate? And yes we do have problems, its human nature but it seems to me your the one using us as a scapegoat for yourself, not us for chuck

in regards to your post asking when metal became and ideology, it never became one, all music has an ideology it expresses, black sabbath are so well regarded around here because they were an affront to the hippie movement of the time and promoted the beauty in darkness and became critical of the world (as can be seen in the lyrics for the song war pigs and lord of this world). If music didn't have an ideology music wouldn't exist because ALL music expresses something whether its the tribal chanting of ancient African tribes or the Gaelic folk music  
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: oscar the cat on December 24, 2006, 04:44:39 PM
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am i not allowed to hate/dislike anything not matter how valid my reasons are?


God hates it when you do that.


Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Markus on December 30, 2006, 01:17:42 PM
I never see any logical reason to critisize Chuck for his beliefs, whatever happened to idealogical privacy? Relentlessly critisizing someone because of something that was personal to him and not for individuals who are against it to intervene. This is were i completely disagree with Prozak.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Markus on December 30, 2006, 01:20:00 PM
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I wasn't aware that we bashed Immolation, Gorguts, Suffocation, Pessimist, Infester, Incantation, Morbid Angel, Atrocity, Acerbus, or any of a league of bands far more "technical" than Death ever was.


In terms of composition you are completely correct espcially concerning Gorguts, but some of the most talented musicians came from Death usch as James Murphy (THE most skilled Extreme Metal guitarist) and Steve the bassist, who is also a prominent figure.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Markus on December 30, 2006, 01:22:31 PM
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and people think Dimebag was innovative, wonder what they would think if they came across a band with real value



His whammy bar techniques surely were, he was a clean guitarist - precise as fuck and a great riffer...but no none of his bands were out of the ordinary.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Dylar on December 30, 2006, 03:35:00 PM
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In terms of composition you are completely correct espcially concerning Gorguts, but some of the most talented musicians came from Death usch as James Murphy (THE most skilled Extreme Metal guitarist) and Steve the bassist, who is also a prominent figure.



Murphy was already an established figure before he joined Death, and, as with every other band he was involved with, he was essentially a session musician (and your claim that he is THE most technically skilled guitarist in extreme metal is rather questionable, and totally unprovable in any event).

Steve DiGiorgio likewise was a well-established musician prior to his stints with Death.  Indeed, Individual Thought Patterns strongly resembles a rocked up version of Sadus (demonstrating once again Chuck's ability to scavenge from the idea scraps of others without actually being able to improve upon them).
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: More Celt Than Sassenach on December 30, 2006, 04:34:23 PM
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I never see any logical reason to critisize Chuck for his beliefs, whatever happened to idealogical privacy? Relentlessly critisizing someone because of something that was personal to him and not for individuals who are against it to intervene. This is were i completely disagree with Prozak.


metal criticizes the faith in which chuck believed, as such he his criticized for undertaking such a belief, simple as that  
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Woodland_Art on December 31, 2006, 01:42:00 AM
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James Murphy (THE most skilled Extreme Metal guitarist)


I know this sounds like a lame attempt to make someone else laugh... but I just got done cleaning Mountain Dew off my monitor from spitting it out while laughing at this post.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Markus on December 31, 2006, 02:45:47 AM
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I know this sounds like a lame attempt to make someone else laugh... but I just got done cleaning Mountain Dew off my monitor from spitting it out while laughing at this post.


Care to prove your point instead of making a fool out of yourself through your own egoistic nature? Listen to a track named Epoch on his solo album before you do so.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Markus on December 31, 2006, 02:52:16 AM
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metal criticizes the faith in which chuck believed, as such he his criticized for undertaking such a belief, simple as that  


No i only see it as you people who try to promulgate some theory about Metal critisizing religion. Black Sabbath, Venom and Metallica sure didn't and they are considered the pioneers of the genre. Satanic lyrics were provided only for the shock value, as Cronos precisely extrapolated "We were as serious as a horror movie". Plus, Sabbath members have pictures of them taken whilst wearing crucifixes...I know plentlyof Muslims and Christians who play Slayer, Immolation, Emperor and all of that...yet never allow their personal beliefs to interfere with the music. Vijay has his own dogmatic beliefs concerning that subject, but i doubt he truly understands what personal beliefs could mean, and in that case...why not be critical of Tom Araya or something?
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Markus on December 31, 2006, 02:58:32 AM
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(demonstrating once again Chuck's ability to scavenge from the idea scraps of others without actually being able to improve upon them).


Funny seeing as everyone became critical of Chuck only due to the fact that he converted to Christianity. You completely undermined all of Deaths' achievements through their music such as their creativity and experimentation...or the fact that Chuck wasn't just a whammy bar abuser or shred fanatic. If the members of his own projects, who are amongst the highest in the Heavy Metal echelon could tolerate it, then i am sure some fanbase criticial of everything should do as well, you don't have to completely agree with it (as I don't) but leave it up to the people to decide and not some intellects who probably could not play decent music themselves.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Woodland_Art on December 31, 2006, 03:13:02 AM
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Care to prove your point instead of making a fool out of yourself through your own egoistic nature? Listen to a track named Epoch on his solo album before you do so.


Sure.  And before I do, let me assure you that I was serious.  I sprayed my monitor.  

Its not that I disagree and think he sucks.  What was funny is just how I knew a few retards in high school who raved on and on about his playing as though it had adopted a place in their brain that usually imagines women naked.

Murphy is a great guitar player.  You don't have to question if I'm at all familiar with his solos with any of his work.   An incredibly refined technique and playing style.  But to say the best?  Please.  

This is two small a room to decide who the best actually is.  I'll tell you that in *my* opinion, there are a lot of guitarists in extreme metal that are better than Murphy.  Also, I don't like his style.  I understand it.  I'm not impressed by his songwriting.  Honestly, I think of James Murphy as the local kid who did all the Guitar Center competitions and then joined a death metal band when it was a cool thing to do.  His solo albums, again in MY OPINION, were weak as hell.  

Look at someone like Toby Knapp.  That guy knows how to dumb down his playing abilities (and I mean his band DARKEN here).  The guy knows how to write a song.  

At the end of the day, there are a lot of idiots who can play well.  But how many of them write great songs?  As a matter of opinion...  I think Murphy left his mark with Obituary more than anything (including Disincarnate).  That mark was significant because of the songs already written for him to play over.  Not his playing abilities.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Annihilaytorr on December 31, 2006, 07:33:12 PM
My new years resolution is to kill anyone who continues this fucking retarded discussion. Death had two good albums and a ton of shitty ones. THE END.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: jimmy on January 01, 2007, 08:20:10 AM
http://www.roadrun.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=64586

A few more just joined the pity party.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: detrath on January 01, 2007, 09:27:36 AM
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http://www.roadrun.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=64586

A few more just joined the pity party.


Beware "kimmolation" and "gashley" and all the rest who will "stomp your guts out". Seems they listen to Burzum, too (a reminder that nothing is sacred).

But perhaps we shouldn't judge so quickly my friends! There's money to be made in pity! Where's our "boys of ANUS" calendar dedicated to freeing Varg Vikernes? The poor boy's been in prison so long; it's the least we can do.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: esoteric on January 01, 2007, 09:34:04 AM
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My new years resolution is to kill anyone who continues this fucking retarded discussion. Death had two good albums and a ton of shitty ones. THE END.

which ones?
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Annihilaytorr on January 01, 2007, 11:59:21 AM
The first two are good. There is some value in some of the others but not enough to make me listen hardly ever, so whatever.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: esoteric on January 01, 2007, 12:31:36 PM
I thought the first two were pretty dull. I only listen to Human these days, and that's only due to DiGeorgio and Masvidal. I could care less about Chuck's presence.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: More Celt Than Sassenach on January 01, 2007, 02:51:46 PM
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No i only see it as you people who try to promulgate some theory about Metal critisizing religion. Black Sabbath, Venom and Metallica sure didn't and they are considered the pioneers of the genre. Satanic lyrics were provided only for the shock value, as Cronos precisely extrapolated "We were as serious as a horror movie". Plus, Sabbath members have pictures of them taken whilst wearing crucifixes...I know plentlyof Muslims and Christians who play Slayer, Immolation, Emperor and all of that...yet never allow their personal beliefs to interfere with the music. Vijay has his own dogmatic beliefs concerning that subject, but i doubt he truly understands what personal beliefs could mean, and in that case...why not be critical of Tom Araya or something?



yes venom are idiots, they do use shock value and only that, and they didn't do anything motorhead didn't, in fact i hate venom

but metal isn't anti-religion, it tries to find the nature of reality and it perceives that Christianity is an illusion that only blinds you from what reality is.
Now go read Anti-Christ and human all to human by Nietzsche and come back and try to make your argument anew  
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Markus on January 02, 2007, 08:46:37 AM
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yes venom are idiots, they do use shock value and only that, and they didn't do anything motorhead didn't, in fact i hate venom

but metal isn't anti-religion, it tries to find the nature of reality and it perceives that Christianity is an illusion that only blinds you from what reality is.
Now go read Anti-Christ and human all to human by Nietzsche and come back and try to make your argument anew  


You failed to even answer my question properly, metal was never anti christian when Sabbath came out, Possessed ws the first real band to actually use somewhat anti-Christian lyrics. Although
i would greatly appreciate it how i could find ANYTHING by Nietzsche in a country dominated by Islamic bigot thinking. Yes, since Christianity is somewhat related to Islam, the so called "scholars" would never allow such a book within the Islamic world.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: More Celt Than Sassenach on January 02, 2007, 09:23:23 AM
no Nietzsche, that mustn't be the greatest thing in the world, i guess you could find his written work on the net somewhere, have no idea where to begin though

well i agree with you that it didn't begin as an extremely anti-Christian genre but even the morality (or lack of) of metal opposes Christian morals, so even in the beginning there was never going to be any love for the religion but black sabbath did use occult lyrics which naturaly suggest to some level a dislike for Christianity, also the (Norse) pagan movement in black metal was also an affront to Christianity, it was seen Satan was not the ultimate evil for Christians because he is a product of it and Odin was seen as a better figure to oppose him because he was not a product of it

i believe the genre began with mere hint of anti-Christian behavior but it was only at the time you said that the real affront to it began

Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: ultranex on January 02, 2007, 10:38:48 AM
So I found that life is just a game
But you know there's never been a winner
Try your hardest, just to be a loser
The world will still be turning when you're gone
Yeah, when you're gone!


Got no religion
Don't need no friends
Got all I want
And I don't need to pretend


Don't try to reach me
'Cause I'll tear up your mind
I've seen the future
And I've left it behind


Let them have their little toys
Matchbox cars and mortgaged joys
Exciting in their plastic ways
Frozen food in a concrete maze

You're gonna go insane
I'm trying to save your brain

Well I don't want no preacher
telling me about the god in the sky
No I don't want no one to tell me
Where I'm gonna go when I die
I wanna live my life, I don't want people telling me what to do
I just believe in myself, 'cause no one else is true

People riding their real face
Keep on running their rat race
Behind each flower grows a weed
In their world of make-believe


Select passages from Vol4.  
Sabbath weren't antichristian, they were antimodernity. :)
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: ultranex on January 02, 2007, 10:40:20 AM
Although I thought that was "frozen food in a concrete glaze".
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: More Celt Than Sassenach on January 02, 2007, 03:02:09 PM
but that proves they don't believe in god and care little of the religion, anyone that doesn't look fondly upon something cannot be considered a friend of that something, and by anti-Christians i didn't mean explicitly, there are varying levels opposition and there ideals seem to move against the tide of Christian morality
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Markus on January 03, 2007, 03:47:52 AM
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Sure.  And before I do, let me assure you that I was serious.  I sprayed my monitor.  

Its not that I disagree and think he sucks.  What was funny is just how I knew a few retards in high school who raved on and on about his playing as though it had adopted a place in their brain that usually imagines women naked.

Murphy is a great guitar player.  You don't have to question if I'm at all familiar with his solos with any of his work.   An incredibly refined technique and playing style.  But to say the best?  Please.  

This is two small a room to decide who the best actually is.  I'll tell you that in *my* opinion, there are a lot of guitarists in extreme metal that are better than Murphy.  Also, I don't like his style.  I understand it.  I'm not impressed by his songwriting.  Honestly, I think of James Murphy as the local kid who did all the Guitar Center competitions and then joined a death metal band when it was a cool thing to do.  His solo albums, again in MY OPINION, were weak as hell.  

Look at someone like Toby Knapp.  That guy knows how to dumb down his playing abilities (and I mean his band DARKEN here).  The guy knows how to write a song.  

At the end of the day, there are a lot of idiots who can play well.  But how many of them write great songs?  As a matter of opinion...  I think Murphy left his mark with Obituary more than anything (including Disincarnate).  That mark was significant because of the songs already written for him to play over.  Not his playing abilities.


You just kept circling around the argument rather then actually give a decent reason as to ellaborate on why he isn't the most Technically orientated guitar player in Extreme Metal. Good music? That is pretty much a matter of taste, I uploaded a song from his most recent album to prove not only his superior technique, but more or less his good songwriting skills. You despise Murphy because he is somewhat popular and has affiliated himself with Chuck and completely tolerated his beliefs. In terms of technique, Murphy's sweep picking is pretty precise and not the usual sweeping pattern Kristian from Necrophagist uses(and most others), his alternate pikcing is flawless and his ability to incorporate a bit of melody makes it all better.

http://www.yousendit.com/download/NsgaJyxUbWx5TA%3D%3D

Anyways, tell me what you think of this track, Epoch.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Markus on January 03, 2007, 03:53:45 AM
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no Nietzsche, that mustn't be the greatest thing in the world, i guess you could find his written work on the net somewhere, have no idea where to begin though

well i agree with you that it didn't begin as an extremely anti-Christian genre but even the morality (or lack of) of metal opposes Christian morals, so even in the beginning there was never going to be any love for the religion but black sabbath did use occult lyrics which naturaly suggest to some level a dislike for Christianity, also the (Norse) pagan movement in black metal was also an affront to Christianity, it was seen Satan was not the ultimate evil for Christians because he is a product of it and Odin was seen as a better figure to oppose him because he was not a product of it

i believe the genre began with mere hint of anti-Christian behavior but it was only at the time you said that the real affront to it began



Sabbath wore crosses in their photo shoots, the rest of the entire War Pigs scenery and "hate" was merely for shock value. This can be seen as before the name "Black Sabbath" they were titled"Earth", only to change their name later because they discovered another more popular band (at the time) called "Earth".
They didn't even approach Metal from a philosophical point of view as this site tries to postulate...it was merely a show and something new for the teenagers at the time.

http://download.yousendit.com/FE80121422B86D67
^^P. Shoot.

Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Markus on January 03, 2007, 03:55:59 AM
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but that proves they don't believe in god and care little of the religion, anyone that doesn't look fondly upon something cannot be considered a friend of that something, and by anti-Christians i didn't mean explicitly, there are varying levels opposition and there ideals seem to move against the tide of Christian morality


I witness most countries now as not believing in God, truly, Idealism is the future and even though America is a Christian country...very few actually practice it, even in Europe now very few practice religion. However the most powerfull religion due to faith would be Islam...you cannot burn a mosque now, not because of fear from the government, but more or less fear of the muslims.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: ultranex on January 03, 2007, 12:58:35 PM
The A.V. Club: Conceptually, it's like your music has gone from "Tales From The Crypt" to William Blake over the years. Have you always wanted to get into bigger ideas?

Danzig: I always have. In the MISFITS, it started getting too crazy with "Earth A.D." The concepts stared becoming too brutal and violent. It was less about fiction and more about the real world, the past, present, and future. I think a lot of people got freaked out by that. [Laughs] People don't want to think about that kind of shit. But now, they're being forced to think about it. On the news, they just showed some child predator who had an ankle bracelet on. He was like some blip on a radar screen, and they showed him pacing back and forth in front of an elementary school, scouting out little kids. The things that I used to get in trouble for saying are now all coming to pass. I remember getting reamed by the media because I talked about priests molesting little children. They were like, "That doesn't happen." Now, with 24-hour news, people just can't ignore it any more. They can't pretend that it doesn't happen. They're being bombarded by it.

The A.V. Club: That's the same problem a lot of people had with BLACK SABBATH.

Danzig: BLACK SABBATH was saying, "War is always going to be here." If you look at where the world's been and where it is right now, nothing's changed. The way we kill people is a little different now, but man's inhumanity to man is just as bad as it's always been. I think it's a nature thing. Most people don't realize they have no control over it. When there are too many people, I think nature — whatever nature is — weeds shit out. I don't think it's something we're conscious of.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: More Celt Than Sassenach on January 03, 2007, 01:53:51 PM
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I witness most countries now as not believing in God, truly, Idealism is the future and even though America is a Christian country...very few actually practice it, even in Europe now very few practice religion. However the most powerfull religion due to faith would be Islam...you cannot burn a mosque now, not because of fear from the government, but more or less fear of the muslims.


yes but almost all morals people in western society have a largely Christian based, they may not be Christian but they carryout its moral code and are inadvertently supporting it (and the estimate that in 5 years New Zealand will no longer be a Christian nation)
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: childrengrinder-br on January 18, 2007, 08:59:18 PM
you're so true :-/
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: CHUCKISGOD on February 09, 2007, 04:34:38 PM
YOU FUCKS CHUCK WAS BRILLIANT!! YOU ARE CAUGHT UP IN THIS NIHILIST BULLSHIT AND CAN'T EXCEPT HIS BELIEFS. "EVERYONE KNOWS NIHILIST WON'T DO A THING" you guys are pussy bastards that aren't excepted, god doesn't like you anyway you guys can rot in fucking hell. And if you think about death metal and metal in general has this occult fancsination ie. the devil, and without god there is no devil so basically chuck joined a better side.

I know you are all gonna flame me saying i have played into this bullshit. well wrong you have instead of enjoying some of the most brutal music ever made. METAL IS MUSIC, IT IS A WAY OF ESCAPING THE PHILOSPHY AND BULLSHIT THAT SURROUNDS US EVERY DAY, SO TRYING TO SAY IT HAS SOMETHING TO WITH NIHILISTS, CHRISTIANS, OR WHATEVER YOU BELIEVE IN IS RETARDED. IT IS ALL ABOUT THE MUSIC.

YOU GUYS GET A FUCKING BRAIN TUMOR AND SEE WHAT IT IS LIKE IT WILL TURN YOUR THOUGHTS BACKWARDS AND YOU WILL BE BEGGING THE GOD YOU DISHONED TO LET YOU LIVE ANOTHER DAY!!
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: death metal black metal on February 13, 2007, 04:07:04 PM
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YOU ARE CAUGHT UP IN THIS NIHILIST BULLSHIT AND CAN'T EXCEPT HIS BELIEFS.


No, actually, we've completely excepted his beliefs!

LOL CHUCK TRIED TO TOUCH ME ON MY WEE WEE
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Prospero on February 18, 2007, 03:08:54 PM
I respect Chuck, I believe that the story (I don't really believe in his existence) of Jesus Christ as great values of forgiveness through suffering. Yes, Christianity may be self oriented but we sometimes need to think for ourselves when facing struggles. And don't tell me you never faced any pain.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Pathologist on July 11, 2007, 03:42:53 AM
my perspective on Chuck and Death? Well, I don't think the Human album was a complete rip-off of Atheist or Cynic. Only that song Lack of Comprehension had a Cynic influenced Jazz intro and the last two songs had some progressive ambience. Atheist had too many abrupt changes in the music to even compare to the mild, properly resolved music of Death. I'm not saying that Atheist didn't properly resolve chords but Death resolved them in the death metal sense, if that makes any sense. Cynic used too many vocal and guitar effects to even be anything close to the sound of Death. When it comes to lyrics, however, I think Chuck was too pre-occupied with the whole fantasy, personal, liberal shit that's in prog rock. His death didn't mean much to me and it shouldn't, only to his family and friends. Only the music is timeless and is left to judge, whether it's shit or not. brain tumor or AIDS? Who gives a fuck? He died and made our world less populated. And if you are using his getting AIDS as a means to test his integrity as a death metalist also know that he was converting to the liberalism of Prog music and became proselytized to such a lifestyle and it eventually turned him christian. Speed metallers were also influenced by Prog, so I propose a new question: is it possible that the influence of progressive on metal musicians leading Metal to it's downfall and degeneracy?    
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: oscar the cat on July 12, 2007, 02:26:49 PM
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I think Chuck was too pre-occupied with the whole fantasy, personal, liberal shit that's in prog rock.  


Sometimes, the HIV virus attacks the brain.

Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: oscar the cat on July 12, 2007, 02:27:45 PM
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Christianity may be self oriented but we sometimes need to think for ourselves when facing struggles.


Think of yourself, just like everyone else!
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Uamenti on July 17, 2007, 03:51:33 PM
The relentless bashing of Chuck is completely worth, it's that the method that we use to approach it is completely stupid, and people who don't support the website usually don't for this cause. From a distance, we much sound like a bunch of fundemental muslims preaching amongst ourselves.

If we were to bash Chuck, it would be in a more reproductive manner, probably even write another article with a humiliating photo of him as well...outlining his failure records such as The Sound of Perseverence.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: born for banning on July 19, 2007, 02:48:34 PM
I think if Chuck is to be attacked, it's for trying to make death metal into rock music. First it was the attention-grabbing headline-scramming antics, then the really Judas Priest albums with pathetic Death vocals, and finally his Christlike martyrdom at the hands of an autoimmune disease... Chuck is Christ.

Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Divus_de_Mortuus on July 19, 2007, 07:13:05 PM
Not to be a voice of defense for Schuldiner, but I really don't see how he is deserving of a special hatred when Hellhammer is busy recording albums with Christian BM bands, Deicide has been relentlessly chugging away aimlessly in the darkest depths of dumbassery since 94, and Chris Barnes has brought more overt rock elements in a much more visible and damaging way to metal than ol Chuck did. Granted Chuck may have had sex with men, but so did Halford. Why not bash him?

The point I am making is that Death was really do different than any other metal band ultimately. Chuck made a few good albums and then a bunch of crappy ones with gay/Christian/rock values. In just the bands listed in the DLA alone, the number of bands who stayed focused for their entire career is way shorter than those who didn't.

Why elevate this cumshitter above a list of just as worthy, alive and currently destructive targets?
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Uamenti on July 22, 2007, 01:24:26 PM
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Bashing Chuck in this manner is repellent.

He was not a Christian.  He was not ignorant.  Nor did he die of AIDS.  What nonsense all of this is.

Since  I am no expert on the inner workings of Chuck's mind I cannot comment much on the Christianity "traitor" element of this smear.  However, this is why it should be manifestly clear he did not die of AIDS.  Chuck Shuldiner was undergoing chemotherapy when he died.  No one dying of AIDS receives chemo because such treatment  further degrades an already weakened immune system.  People with Kaposi's sarcoma have to be reasonably strong to get chemo, and even then they do not receive aggressive treatments if they are too sick.  There are people with AIDS who develop non-Hodgkin's lymphoma who never receive chemo because chemo combined with AIDS will kill them faster than the lymphoma can.  If Chuck was so far gone with AIDS that he was dying, he would not have been on chemo.  Period.

Add to this that a NECROTIC TUMOR was removed from his brain, causing an initial misdiagnosis of a rare form of cancer.  It is unknown what he died from, but necrotic brain tumors are not now, nor were they ever, symptoms of AIDS.

If this isn't enough, bear in mind that Chuck was uninsured and there were many benefits and shows held to raise money for Chuck's treatment.  Lots of people, directly and indirectly, were involved in his treatment.  This wasn't Rock Hudson dying quietly.  This was a man fighting overtly for his life. So how is it exactly that this man who is called stupid by some on this site managed to hide the nature of his illness so well without anyone finding out?   Because the only place you will find assertions that Chuck died of AIDS is on anus.com.  It's not because anus somehow "knows" the truth.  It's because someone has a hard-on for Chuck or is smearing his name to suit their own agenda.

Truly shameful stuff guys.  The man died of a mysterious condition and people from anus.com saw fit to harass his mother.  Of course, agendas know no shame, do they?

Honestly, why not pick on the living?  Or is that too hard, with a living entity to refute you?  I fear some of you are are you getting your ducks in a row to malign Jared Anderson.  I say this because the attempt to assert that Jesse Pintado died of AIDS didn't really get much of a reaction, did it?

And yeah, I know.  Banned and BAHLEETED!  I'm crying inside.  Really.  I am.


People like yourself, so intelligent.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Heydrich on July 23, 2007, 08:19:57 PM
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Not to be a voice of defense for Schuldiner, but I really don't see how he is deserving of a special hatred when Hellhammer is busy recording albums with Christian BM bands, Deicide has been relentlessly chugging away aimlessly in the darkest depths of dumbassery since 94, and Chris Barnes has brought more overt rock elements in a much more visible and damaging way to metal than ol Chuck did. Granted Chuck may have had sex with men, but so did Halford. Why not bash him?

The point I am making is that Death was really do different than any other metal band ultimately. Chuck made a few good albums and then a bunch of crappy ones with gay/Christian/rock values. In just the bands listed in the DLA alone, the number of bands who stayed focused for their entire career is way shorter than those who didn't.

Why elevate this cumshitter above a list of just as worthy, alive and currently destructive targets?


I would personally like to see far more abuse heaped upon that hideous Metal embarassment that just won't die known as Slayer! A fucking practicing Catholic singer(has a greater hypocrite ever lived?), another snivelling Christian for a drummer, a metalcore adoring guitarist...and those fuckers are still alive and churning out shit album after shit album.      

For fuck's sake, even people who liked Death(or even played therein)have long acknowledged that Chuck was a total wanker. I first heard this from the guys in Massacre in 1986 or '87...even in the beginning the underground had him pegged as a tool. Let's move on....there are plenty among the living to take issue with. Let's start with Slayer...they've gotten a pass here for far too long!  

Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Pathologist on July 24, 2007, 02:43:07 AM
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among the living


Great Anthrax album. But I would say Anthrax deserves to be in the Shit list as well. Especially for doing lame shit in VH1.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: oscar the cat on July 24, 2007, 03:23:11 PM
Anthrax was always crap. Even back in the 1980s people thought that music was stupid, and they're still right.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: oscar the cat on July 24, 2007, 03:24:13 PM
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When there are too many people, I think nature — whatever nature is — weeds shit out.


(sound of tattoo needle)

My ass hurts, but at least I've got a pithy saying across my cheeks.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Heydrich on July 24, 2007, 05:15:24 PM
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 But I would say Anthrax deserves to be in the Shit list as well. Especially for doing lame shit in VH1.






Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Divus_de_Mortuus on July 24, 2007, 05:31:36 PM
Anthrax was never remotely good. Fuck them.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: KIRK JOHNSON on July 28, 2007, 02:33:13 AM
Speaking of Chuckowitz and AIDS...
(http://i13.tinypic.com/4km0y1w.jpg)
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: -H418ov21.C on July 28, 2007, 03:06:39 AM
LOL
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: on July 28, 2007, 03:07:10 AM

FUCKING LOL.

And: "Inside Out America"? That's not even subtle.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: oscar the cat on July 30, 2007, 02:37:04 AM
http://www.themediaproject.com/briefings/GrowingUpGay.htm

He drowned in AIDS.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: KIRK JOHNSON on July 30, 2007, 06:38:51 AM
Nuclear blast helped him!
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Niko on August 13, 2007, 09:48:27 PM
so just earlier today the man who played drums on The Sound of Perseverance and Control Denied allowed another guy to paint his face - with the dude's penis
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Immolation on August 13, 2007, 10:42:39 PM
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so just earlier today the man who played drums on The Sound of Perseverance and Control Denied allowed another guy to paint his face - with the dude's penis


That's a shame- he's a great drummer.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: born for banning on August 14, 2007, 03:57:27 PM
He's still a great drummer. He's just got semen all over his face.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Stranger on August 14, 2007, 05:28:01 PM
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He's still a great drummer. He's just got semen all over his face.


Hm...I'd rather be a shitty drummer then.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: born for banning on August 15, 2007, 06:26:55 PM
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Hm...I'd rather be a shitty drummer then.


That's what happens when you graduate to anal sex. Or by shitty do you mean "bad," instead of "covered in (black) shit"?
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: twistedcon on August 15, 2007, 07:22:07 PM
Wohoooo!!!
Pissing on a dead man's grave is so fucking not-hip. Hey genius, I think even you'd agree when I say that Chuck wrote at least some good music. What the fuck have you done asshole?  
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Thamuz on August 15, 2007, 11:20:34 PM
His achievement has been to make it past his 37th birthday as a bitter, cynical, pessimistic and very cliche forum troll.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: KIRK JOHNSON on August 22, 2007, 05:52:55 AM
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Wohoooo!!!
Pissing on a dead man's grave is so fucking not-hip. Hey genius, I think even you'd agree when I say that Chuck wrote at least some good music. What the fuck have you done asshole?  

And what the fuck have YOU done ?
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: born for banning on August 22, 2007, 06:36:41 AM
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His achievement has been to make it past his 37th birthday as a bitter, cynical, pessimistic and very cliche forum troll.


Chuckie was a forum troll?
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: KIRK JOHNSON on August 22, 2007, 11:01:34 AM
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Chuckie was a forum troll?

he was a IRL troll. Managed to get thousands of morons into beliveing that he actually played death metal after the Spiritual Healing album.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: born for banning on August 26, 2007, 06:05:51 AM
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he was a IRL troll. Managed to get thousands of morons into beliveing that he actually played death metal after the Spiritual Healing album.


And then made they believe that he founded death metal single-handedly, and made it musically respectable by doing a Judass Priest cover in a high-pitched falsetto.

Oh, and then fooled them into thinking he hadn't died of AIDS. Cancer, he said. Okay, they said. The fix was in!
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Prospero on August 27, 2007, 05:26:21 PM
I wonder what's wrong with listening to Death... "Individual Thought Patterns" is an album I enjoy very much. OK, he me have become christian, but I know christian who said respectful things. Take Soren Kierkegaard for instance. I don't think a Christian is worth nothing. Most of them do worth shit, but obviously, some are half-brained and can sometimes speak for themselves wisely.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: KIRK JOHNSON on September 09, 2007, 11:39:33 PM
Sorry for reviving old threads, but even white nationalists joined the pity party!
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/remembering-schuldiner-171621.html
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Thamuz on September 09, 2007, 11:57:37 PM
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Sorry for reviving old threads, but even white nationalists joined the pity party!
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/remembering-schuldiner-171621.html

This is hardly surprising. Stormfront and intelligent posting have never been bedfellows.

"ANUS is a lot of pretentious twattery; so many words used to say... not much at all."

Sounds like... White Neo-Nazism's hooligans; lots of shouting, very little meaningful action.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: KIRK JOHNSON on September 20, 2007, 03:15:39 AM
Exactly.I wonder why the mods/admins  revived this thread  from the trashcan.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: ChapelOfTorment on September 20, 2007, 12:51:56 PM
Apparently they can't read very well either. "Schuldiner"? Say it in a New York accent; that's a Jewish name if I've ever heard one. Silly Stormfront peoples.

This whole R.I.P. Chuck/Dimebag thing is a fucking disease. Right now, people are crying about the first vocalist of Devourment dying... disgusting. I didn't think people listened to them anymore.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Immolation on September 21, 2007, 02:52:36 PM
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Exactly.I wonder why the mods/admins  revived this thread  from the trashcan.


Don't you see? The Moron forum is gone forever.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Prospero on September 21, 2007, 03:53:33 PM
I don't now what the fuck is going on here but I pay respect to the leader of the once praiseworthy band "Death". It's true that people are abusing the "R.I.P. fuck" thing but personally, if we stick to the music, I range "Human" and "Individual Thought Patterns" among the rank of mandatory metal albums.

ANUS has gone over the top with this stupid issue about the christianity of Death's guitarist. His legacy is what we should remember, the fuck with what he did in his dying days. This Ad Hominen is leading nowhere.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: KIRK JOHNSON on September 21, 2007, 08:16:18 PM
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Don't you see? The Moron forum is gone forever.

It wasn't when I asked
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: born for banning on September 22, 2007, 04:14:59 AM
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I don't now what the fuck is going on here but I pay respect to the leader of the once praiseworthy band "Death". It's true that people are abusing the "R.I.P. fuck" thing but personally, if we stick to the music, I range "Human" and "Individual Thought Patterns" among the rank of mandatory metal albums.

ANUS has gone over the top with this stupid issue about the christianity of Death's guitarist. His legacy is what we should remember, the fuck with what he did in his dying days. This Ad Hominen is leading nowhere.


It's not ad hominem. Ad hominem is when you distract from an argument by attacking the person speaking. This is a discussion of Chuck, so he is the argument.

As far as I can tell, there are a few accusations against him:

- Ripped off better bands
- Treated others like shit
- Claimed to invent death metal like Al Gore invented the internet
- Didn't understand Nietzsche but claimed to like Nietzsche
- Preached Christian ethics
- Turned death metal albums into hard rock with death metal vocals
- Was ethnically (and some would say behaviorally) Je-wish
- Died of AIDS

Is there anything else? When we're done, we can ask a mod to lock this thread so the losers at other forums can continue complaining about us.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Prospero on September 22, 2007, 08:37:00 AM
Facts?

Ok, he mixed prog and harsh vocals but I mean; don't listen to it, If you don't like it. It is the result of his contract with Nuclear Blast. He was writing for Control Denied but the label wanted more Death stuff, so he took a few tracks from his other band and somehow adapted them. Plus; didn't Entombed made somekind of hard rock influenced death metal with "Clandestine" also?

So he took riffs of better bands? Psychotic Waltz? Ok, I admit that he was influence by the band but steeling riffs? Not exactly, I don't think so. The two bands are as close as Slayer and Priest or Black Sabbath and Candlemass; they share a few things but nothing stolen as far as I know. And is Psychotic Waltz really a "better" band!?

I'd like some facts for your other claims.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: LostWithin on September 22, 2007, 09:45:19 AM
Entombed included rock structures into clandestine, but saying that album is simply rock with growling tells me you've never listened to it. They started making rock with growls on Wolverine Blues and every album past that. Control Denied was more "Breaking the Law" styled Judas Priest than anything, and Death had been that way for years.
I don't know if Chuck ever claimed to invent death metal, but everyone pretty claims that, despite Sepultura having a more advanced album out before Master of Puppets was even released. Also, in the Human rerelease I own, the linear notes go on about Chuck wanting to put technicality and melody into metal.
I don't really care how he died or what faith he was, but he is overpraised in the world and apologizing for his failures by stating that 'other people did it too' or some meaningless stuff about label troubles is not helping matters.
Also, I've heard many reports, well rumors I guess, that he was a complete control freak. Some artists liked him like Gene Hoglan, others couldn't stand it. Quitting the band while they are on a European tour and leaving them to figure it out without a job to come home to doesn't speak well for his character either.
Death was a great introduction for me into this music, as they made some great material early on that I still enjoy, but once you start to explore there are too many better things out there to worry so much about one band, let alone worship them at the altar and mourn their leader's death.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Prospero on September 24, 2007, 01:44:33 PM
Ok, I've read the article again, I've look around about the guy and yes, I understand the point ANUS is trying to make. Therefore, I still enjoy the music (and by the way, I listened to Clandestine a couple of times already, I own it) but now I understand more cleary what is expressed in the late-Death/Control Denied songs.

Last thing, what's the problem with being control freak? Wasn't Frank Zappa also one? 10 times more I'm sure! Look at the results (before the 80s of course), his albums have so much good songs to offer. Many classical composers weren't easy either!
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: ASBO on July 17, 2008, 05:49:26 AM
There appears to be confusion as to this website's definition of "garbage", which I understand, is entirely based on whoever has the final say here.

Oh noes!!! It wasn't written in the sky by God, so it's not absolute.

You're drugged on bad modern logic. Wake up!
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Humanicide on July 17, 2008, 03:33:35 PM
people use the word faggot too much on this site. perhaps theyre compensating?

promoting this site by making fun of someone else's passing is a surefire way to REPEL people.

i wouldve thought members here would be more mature and intelligent than to promote such idiocy.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: death metal black metal on July 17, 2008, 05:24:59 PM
Well, as they say in the Army...

"Everyone's busy talking, except those who are busy"

Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: ASBO on July 19, 2008, 06:10:41 AM
I have been banned from several forums for even mentioning that Chuck died of AIDS. Metalheads are very touching about this, because they want their own Jesus. They feel justified if they have a martyr to cry over, and many of them claim to enjoy his "music."

Most recent bans:

* Ultimate metal
* SMN news
* Relapse
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Dylar on July 19, 2008, 10:30:47 AM
Recent replies to this topic are not showing up.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Dylar on July 19, 2008, 10:31:38 AM
Seriously, where are they?  Is there something wrong with my browser?
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Ensittare on July 20, 2008, 04:40:55 PM
test
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: stargazer on July 20, 2008, 08:52:11 PM
Human was a reasonable album, the ones before it were OK.  This entire thing is redundant, no one is benefitting from this joke which is now well past its use by date.  Seriously, what is this supposed to achieve?
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Humanicide on July 21, 2008, 09:45:18 AM
Nothing, really. I dont know what the goal of this was.

If you want to pick on someone for dying why not that worthless waste of life from that Drowning Pool nu-feces band?
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: kontinual on July 21, 2008, 05:18:36 PM
Coordinating the guitar and singing voice as carriers of the melody in Death Metal seems for some reason something that has been ignored by bands to this day.

Perhaps because that was a rock music model that death metal abandoned.

There was scant anything "death metal" about CONTROL DENIED in any regard; your thinking is backwards.

If you want to know why something like CONTROL DENIED is totally irrelevant, listen to something like WATCHTOWER.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Prospero on July 21, 2008, 09:19:37 PM
Coordinating the guitar and singing voice as carriers of the melody in Death Metal seems for some reason something that has been ignored by bands to this day.

Perhaps because that was a rock music model that death metal abandoned.

There was scant anything "death metal" about CONTROL DENIED in any regard; your thinking is backwards.

If you want to know why something like CONTROL DENIED is totally irrelevant, listen to something like WATCHTOWER.

From what you are saying, any metal band that was influenced by previous metal bands is not worthy and is likely to carry the AIDS virus. It is true, Chuck's legacy is overrated (partly from the fact that he is dead and to simply die young is considered to be an heroic act these days), but all artists obviously have their influences.

The pity pity party never ends.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Raise_the_Dead on July 21, 2008, 11:48:01 PM
From what you are saying, any metal band that was influenced by previous metal bands is not worthy and is likely to carry the AIDS virus.

He said nothing about influence.  Death metal and even speed metal, by the time of Control Denied and the later Death albums, had moved far beyond the terrain that these acts explored, technically and otherwise.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: More Celt Than Sassenach on July 23, 2008, 01:24:10 AM
Coordinating the guitar and singing voice as carriers of the melody in Death Metal seems for some reason something that has been ignored by bands to this day.

Perhaps because that was a rock music model that death metal abandoned.

There was scant anything "death metal" about CONTROL DENIED in any regard; your thinking is backwards.

If you want to know why something like CONTROL DENIED is totally irrelevant, listen to something like WATCHTOWER.

Perhaps it is the method rock music used this technique that is what you disdain. There is a strong history of interrelating the roll of the voice and solo instrument in classical music. If we make our thinking more backwards, we move forward in this instance.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: More Celt Than Sassenach on July 23, 2008, 08:59:24 PM
What you have just stated was infact exactly what I meant, however I see now what I wrote was somewhat ambiguous. I was myself thinking of polyphony, counterpoint and contrapuntal interaction between the voice and guitar.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: we hope you die on July 24, 2008, 03:28:18 AM
What you're describing reminds more of the early Absurd demos. Although their style was a bit simpler than most folk and death metal, i think they layed a foundation and never got the chance to really develop this approach.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Mithrandir on May 15, 2010, 05:07:00 PM
I'm pretty sick of the "Chuck is God" faggoty videos on youtube. It's time someone made a video that summarizes this thread.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: scourge on May 15, 2010, 06:29:08 PM
That would lead to a Chuck and Daryl sodomy for weed special report, the AIDS aftermath, the investigative fanboy journalist vendetta leading to murder and whatever else. Very messy. (http://www.anus.com/metal/hall/index.php/topic,8786.msg46401.html#msg46401)
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: JewishPhysics on May 15, 2010, 06:58:40 PM
I'm pretty sick of the "Chuck is God" faggoty videos on youtube. It's time someone made a video that summarizes this thread.
Well, Chuck did invent and perfect death metal, so he kind of is a god.  People just don't like this being mentioned because he was Jewish.  If you disagree you're a racist!
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: scourge on May 15, 2010, 07:04:10 PM
Despite the failings, I saw Morbid Angel and Death on their Leprosy tour at a tiny little Jamaican reggae club in some slums. It was a great show for each band in a particularly gritty, sultry setting.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Nightspirit on May 15, 2010, 10:56:56 PM
I have been banned from several forums for even mentioning that Chuck died of AIDS. Metalheads are very touching about this, because they want their own Jesus. They feel justified if they have a martyr to cry over, and many of them claim to enjoy his "music."

Most recent bans:

* Ultimate metal
* SMN news
* Relapse

I don't hate the Schuldiner or his band by any means, but I don't think all the handshaking and butt-touching I see over it all is very necessary. Death's most "popular" albums are my least liked albums, and it seems like many of the people that have just recently caught onto Symbolic and on are AIDS patients bent on the conquest to collect "extreme" metal written in the stadium-style heavy metal.

Death Metal has more dimensions than that, like NOT adhering to simplistic structures written primarily on the major scale and harmonized for easy listening effect.

I think Altars of Madness by Morbid Angel is an exercise/ study in musical and conceptual greatness more than a mere album, and I can't say that about any of Death's releases.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Mithrandir on May 16, 2010, 11:30:06 AM
I've tried to find something good in this band. I can't when I read the comments on this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5dStxI7zk4

Do your part for metal and enlighten these lost souls.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: N0thing on May 17, 2010, 05:25:31 AM
Death was actually the band that got me into "real" metal with the Human album. I do hate how they view him as a god though. Usually just loser guitarists.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Nightspirit on May 17, 2010, 04:35:54 PM
I do hate how they view him as a god though. Usually just loser guitarists.

What I find even stranger (funnier), is that THE FIRST UNDERMAN CHURCH OF CHUCK exploded amongst the undesirables somewhere in the 2002-2007 period. I found it strange as Death really never struck me as something special at all. Their heavy/death metal albums were sorry excuses for superior Death Metal that was coming out of Sweden at the time. When I was first getting into "real" metal, it was right after he had died, and I watched THE FIRST UNDERMAN CHURCH OF CHUCK get bigger with each year among ARE YOU TALKIN TO ME?, Pink Frothy AIDS and Children of Bodom fans.

I listened to group of friends of mine explain to me last month about how they're really starting to appreciate the later works of THE FIRST UNDERMAN CHURCH OF CHUCK. I treated the infection quickly with a dose of Necrophobic and it hasn't been a problem since :)

I declare this post as a nomination for THE FIRST UNDERMAN CHURCH OF CHUCK as the law of the land.


Edit: I realize this will be quite difficult as we write the word "Death" so much, As in Death Metal. Maybe some of the ANUS higher-ups can use that for "Chuck Schuldiner" then.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: HessianObscura on May 18, 2010, 01:53:48 AM
I do hate how they view him as a god though. Usually just loser guitarists.

What I find even stranger (funnier), is that THE FIRST UNDERMAN CHURCH OF CHUCK exploded amongst the undesirables somewhere in the 2002-2007 period.

Right after he died, Sherlock.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Nightspirit on May 18, 2010, 05:01:22 PM
I do hate how they view him as a god though. Usually just loser guitarists.

What I find even stranger (funnier), is that THE FIRST UNDERMAN CHURCH OF CHUCK exploded amongst the undesirables somewhere in the 2002-2007 period.

Right after he died, Sherlock.

Reading whole posts might do you some good before you start playing the Hessian version of the game telephone.

When I was first getting into "real" metal, it was right after he had died, and I watched THE FIRST UNDERMAN CHURCH OF CHUCK get bigger with each year among ARE YOU TALKIN TO ME?, Pink Frothy AIDS and Children of Bodom fans.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: HessianObscura on May 18, 2010, 05:40:19 PM
The very same post. I think we all contract a little AIDS when remarking on this thread.

(http://i47.tinypic.com/1zgb6oj.jpg)
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Nightspirit on May 18, 2010, 10:57:38 PM
The very same post. I think we all contract a little AIDS when remarking on this thread.

(http://i47.tinypic.com/1zgb6oj.jpg)

It's all good brother. I agree about the HIV-positive nature of THE FIRST UNDERMAN CHURCH OF CHUCK. There's so much better Metal than that shitty act.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Conservationist on May 19, 2010, 09:13:48 AM
People love martyrs and false heroes because they can project themselves into those icons.

Chuck didn't invent death metal; he came in really the second wave (after Bathory, Hellhammer and Slayer) and with the help of Kam Lee and Chris Reifert, made a great album. After that, it got more blockheaded, so he started making fast heavy metal.

I like early Death, but I hate the way people have:

(a) Made Chuck into a martyr. Chuck himself would hate this thoroughly Christian, pandering, whorish, crowd of idiots behavior.
(b) Claimed he invented death metal or was the father of it. Unlikely, says history.

Otherwise, I'm kind of sick of hearing about Chuck either way. The mooning over his martyrdom (from AIDS) happened in the early 2000s and was among the first wave of the indie shitheads who later infested metal. Now it's almost over, although his harridan of a sister is trying to resurrect it for cash, since her day jobs as stripper and teacher's aide didn't work out.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: hoodwink on May 19, 2010, 09:16:52 AM
Otherwise, I'm kind of sick of hearing about Chuck either way.

I'm glad you posted this.  Considering all of the talk around here of making ANUS a part of "the bigger picture," I think it's high time the Chuck Schuldiner meme had run its course. 
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Conservationist on May 19, 2010, 09:28:42 AM
Otherwise, I'm kind of sick of hearing about Chuck either way.

I'm glad you posted this.  Considering all of the talk around here of making ANUS a part of "the bigger picture," I think it's high time the Chuck Schuldiner meme had run its course. 

Well, it did, back in 2004 or so -- but people keep coming here to raise hell about it. Threads like this rebirth every few months and then disappear. But for people who haven't seen the last cycle, it's hard to tell what's going on.

(http://www.anus.com/metal/about/news/images/chuck_schuldiner_died_of_aids.jpg)
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: hoodwink on May 19, 2010, 09:34:13 AM
Well, it did, back in 2004 or so -- but people keep coming here to raise hell about it. Threads like this rebirth every few months and then disappear. But for people who haven't seen the last cycle, it's hard to tell what's going on.

I could be wrong but it seems as if the whole Chuck AIDS thing is pretty well ingrained in the board.  I wouldn't even have responded to this thread if I hadn't had my fill of banter about this ultimately fruitless topic.  My point was that if ANUS seeks to mainstream itself in anyway, letting go of AIDS-bashing propaganda campaigns is probably a step in the right direction.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Conservationist on May 19, 2010, 11:19:20 AM
My point was that if ANUS seeks to mainstream itself in anyway, letting go of AIDS-bashing propaganda campaigns is probably a step in the right direction.

My point is that ANUS isn't actively promoting this and hasn't for years. It comes up because of the past. Do you want the topic deleted?
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: scourge on December 13, 2010, 08:56:33 PM
The pity party never ends: 9 years ago to this day Chuck Schuldiner passed away. RIP (http://www.reddit.com/r/Metal/comments/el548/9_years_ago_to_this_day_chuck_schuldiner_passed/)

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He died at 33 just like Jesus..

Indeed. The unprecedented, unparalleled inventor of death metal. Like Jesus.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Conservationist on December 14, 2010, 12:13:38 PM
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Ok, what I never forget in my life was with PESTILENCE on the US 90 tour (with DEATH & CARCASS). We played in a place called Fitzgeralds in Houston. The crowd was very aggressive, like they were all on PCP or so. So I was watching CARCASS opening and they were terrified. Standing with their backs against the speakers, playing 30 minutes and rapidly left. CHUCK stood next to me biting his nails and repeating �I�m not gonna play in front of that crowd, man�. I enjoyed myself and told him �hey, we�re playing the most brutal music in the world, what do you expect?�.
So we hit the stage and I cooked the crowd really up haha. Far over boiling point. They were insane. And left �em mad for DEATH.
So DEATH played 1 song, CHUCK got a glass of water over him and quit. They stopped and left.
The promoter came begging to me to enter the stage and play one more time. I told him that I wasn�t willing to clean up Mr SCHULDINER�s shit. So the fans started to tear the place apart. Chairs, tables, pieces of the balcony. Everything was flying. And outside? About 20 police cars, a helicopter, crazy cops and Metalheads.
It was a complete riot. Later on I found all kinds of things on stage. Knives, ashtrays, bulletholes in the walls.
Quite a memorable night in Texas haha.

DT (Roxana): Do you like DEATH? What is your opinion about CHUCK SCHULDINER both as person as much as musician?
Martin van Drunen: I like their first and a bit of �Leprosy�. The rest weren�t that good I think. �Scream Bloody Gore� is a Death Metal classic every fan should have. Just like the demos. Killer material.
CHUCK however wasn�t a sympathetic man. I got to know him on the US tour and I never liked the guy. Very unpredictable. He canceled shows for no reason. Treated bands, fans and roadies often like shit. In the end his roadies LOUIE and WALT (where the hell are you now guys??) were sleeping in our van coz they couldn�t stand his company, that says it all. Therefore his death meant not much to me.
He wrote some killer songs in the beginning and he had a good voice too, but later on he lost it all.
Everybody�s always talking about CHUCK. But nobody remembers FRED from French MASSACRA. Now for that man I would do a tribute. A nice man and friend. A 100% Metalhead. Never forgot he puked all over my toilet haha. Bonjour, FRED, RIP. This glass is to you........

http://www.deaththrasher.com/dtinterviews/vaNDRUNEN_eng.htm

You know, that says it all. Fred Death > DEATH. MASSACRA > DEATH. DEATH is just popular like PANTERA because they're American and accessible yet, you know, "hard."
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: scourge on December 14, 2010, 02:27:18 PM
Pantyweara would be Peak Thrash, just prior to crossing over the DM threshold - but that's where the underground is, an incomprehensible place so best play it safe and stay out. Plus, yeah they were accessible too. They toured with radio friendly Skid Row for example.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: My AIDS, Your Arse on December 15, 2010, 11:05:29 AM
Share this with your Facebook-using, metal-listening friends and family:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Chuck-Schuldiner-is-not-the-Metal-Christ-He-was-a-huge-prick/136916489699467
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: JewishPhysics on December 15, 2010, 03:46:19 PM
It appears that even most "typical" metalheads are becoming less and less concerned with Schuldiner, both as a musician and savior / martyr.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Humanicide on December 15, 2010, 11:33:15 PM
It appears that even most "typical" metalheads are becoming less and less concerned with Schuldiner, both as a musician and savior / martyr.

'Cause he was just a meaningful contributor, not an actual innovator of a lot. I guess people are realizing that more? I have nothing personal against Chuck but Death needs to be recognized for what they are, an A- band (at least up to/including "Human" in my book), not an A+ band like early Incantation or Demilich or early Pestilence.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: Mithrandir on May 02, 2012, 08:54:54 AM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=430499550312347&set=a.117982071564098.16230.116958741666431&type=1&ref=nf

Quick, show these Chuck fanatics what real metal is!
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: NHA on May 02, 2012, 12:24:41 PM
So how much did the hospitals make by selling him false hope and a slow death?

Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: NocturnalTerror on May 04, 2012, 05:35:09 AM
English isn't my mother thong, so I listen more to the music than focus in the lyrics, so I like until the Human album. Have some great riffs across all 4 albums. But Death is not the only band in the world.
Support music, not chuck

This. A thousand times this.
Title: Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
Post by: scourge on May 13, 2012, 08:02:12 AM
Thread title vindicated http://www.reddit.com/r/Metal/comments/tkm6n/it_may_be_my_birthday_but_i_want_to_say_happy/