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Title: Success with $1.27 of CD-Rs
Post by: death metal black metal on January 15, 2008, 04:21:10 PM
New neighborhood, new people; new problems, and new young people who seem to be listening to shitty loud music without end.

Solution: DEATH FUCKING METAL (http://www.corrupt.org/news/1001.html) + (http://www.germes-online.com/direct/dbimage/50150604/Blank_CDRs__Unbranded_.jpg)

This was done anonymously, with CORRUPT.org and ANUS.com/metal URLs printed on the cover (http://www.corrupt.org/news/underground.jpg) in an old jewel case.

I've heard two of them listening to it, and the third now looks paranoid. I'll count that as success.

Going through some old demos now, making rips, getting them out to the community. Only you can prevent shitty metal.

;)
Title: Re: Success with $1.27 of CD-Rs
Post by: chrstphrbnntt on January 16, 2008, 02:27:50 AM
I, too, have had success with my own variation of the "metal for non-metal people" compilation. Record store owners here don't seem to mind me slipping them inbetween some Black Sabbath LPs or Opeth CDs. It's very effective; seems like all of the Gorgoroth and Darkthrone albums are getting snatched up a lot faster since I started, and I've received many emails about the CD-Rs since starting.

Not everyone that hears a few great metal songs will have some sort of epiphanic reaction, but putting this stuff out there is important.
Title: Re: Success with $1.27 of CD-Rs
Post by: wEEman33 on January 16, 2008, 11:12:50 AM
A cheap alternative for those who don't want to deal with jewel cases:

Print out a piece of paper with the front cover on the top of the page and the back cover on the bottom.

Fold the paper in half, slip the CD inside the crease, and staple the paper together to keep the CD secure.
Title: Re: Success with $1.27 of CD-Rs
Post by: dark_defender on January 17, 2008, 01:53:29 AM
at his request, i recently made my friend in Germany a sampler of 2nd wave black metal bands. he seems quite the intellectual type, and not of metal background... so i hope i didn't turn him off by picking the wrong stuff. but on the other hand it doesn't really matter. black metal is not really about including people. but if it were i guess it would benefit more from these sort of people than suburban metalhead kids..
Title: Re: Success with $1.27 of CD-Rs
Post by: death metal black metal on January 17, 2008, 02:38:22 AM
I had something similar happen with the death metal around 1998. Someone wanted to get into it, asked for the latest and greatest. It was hard to compile because so little was enduring. I ended up making a second dub and giving it to him a week later, saying something like "It isn't the latest, but it's the immortal in death metal." He still uses it to work out to.
Title: Re: Success with $1.27 of CD-Rs
Post by: Fallibilis on January 17, 2008, 08:23:48 AM
Heh. I have done this myself, although I simply just left some CDs in front of kid's houses. I never did learn about the fruits of my efforts. I was 18 when I did this, and I graduated and left soon after. I should pick this back up, especially in this here Dave Matthew's city.
Title: Re: Success with $1.27 of CD-Rs
Post by: chb on January 17, 2008, 10:51:33 AM
I remember getting one guy interested into black metal by playing the Transilvanian Hunger riff (you know which one) on the piano to him. He liked what he heard so I burned him a copy of Transilvanian Hunger. Sadly, he didn't enjoy the album. He understands that there's beauty behind the "ugly" aesthetic, but he still doesn't feel like digging through all the noise.

I'll guess I'd have to use something that's more easy on the ears. Any suggestions? Sacramentum, maybe?
Title: Re: Success with $1.27 of CD-Rs
Post by: wEEman33 on January 17, 2008, 10:59:13 AM
I'd suggest trying Sacramentum first ("Far Away From The Sun," obviously), and if that fails, maybe some "Somberlain"-era Dissection.

Even though the former album is far superior to the latter, I think Dissection remains more "approachable" from an outsider's perspective than Sacramentum would be.

Do start with the better of the two, though.
Title: Re: Success with $1.27 of CD-Rs
Post by: runtoftheshitter on January 17, 2008, 02:02:54 PM
 :)
I've got one convert under my belt.  A brilliant young kid i met sometime back in 2004.  Back then, he was a christian and drug-addict, failing out of school and completely screwed up on pcp/crystal meth.  

I started hanging around him, gave him several CD-R's of just little compilations i'd made.  After a little while and lots of black/death metal, he's supporting his favorite bands (Gorgoroth, Darkthrone, Immortal, etc.) and currently working to put himself through college.

Kind of funny when you think of most stereotypes of the corruptive nature of this music.  I think metal was a large part of his decisions to go foreward and clean himself up.  
Title: Re: Success with $1.27 of CD-Rs
Post by: Stranger on January 17, 2008, 02:54:58 PM
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I had something similar happen with the death metal around 1998. Someone wanted to get into it, asked for the latest and greatest. It was hard to compile because so little was enduring. I ended up making a second dub and giving it to him a week later, saying something like "It isn't the latest, but it's the immortal in death metal." He still uses it to work out to.


This post got me thinking about something: Do many people work out to Death Metal?

I've tried it before, and it was too distracting. I prefer ambient.
Title: Re: Success with $1.27 of CD-Rs
Post by: David_Ravel on January 17, 2008, 03:54:39 PM
Kraftwerk Tour de France is the best.

This thread is a good idea. More than that we could try to put CD at library and all. They will probably take it if you convince them.
Title: Re: Success with $1.27 of CD-Rs
Post by: we hope you die on January 18, 2008, 03:53:33 AM
Most death metal has too many tempo changes to work out to properly. You need something simply rhythmically or less "hectic".
Title: Re: Success with $1.27 of CD-Rs
Post by: wEEman33 on January 18, 2008, 06:44:38 AM
Reading the cover now for the first time, it seems that there is a typo at the end of paragraph two:

Shouldn't

"...and ancient Greek mixo-lydian odes."

be

"...and ancient Greek mixo-lydian modes."

Also, Mixolydian doesn't need to be hyphenated; it's just one word.

And since metal uses more modes than just the Myxolydian (I believe there are seven that fall under the category of "Greek modes"), it might be better to simply say

"...and ancient Greek modes."
Title: Re: Success with $1.27 of CD-Rs
Post by: neoclassical on January 18, 2008, 08:42:14 AM
Myxolydian Mode (http://www.ericweisstein.com/encyclopedias/music/MyxolydianMode.html): A diatonic scale used in churches but unrelated to Greek modes except in name.

Title: Re: Success with $1.27 of CD-Rs
Post by: wEEman33 on January 18, 2008, 09:03:58 AM
Here's the updated text that I'll be using for local implantation, in case anyone's interested; I simply cleaned up some of the grammar/language, trying to make its message clearer and more rhetorical:

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Underground Metal

for non-metal people

Active most prominently from 1983-1993, underground metal—comprised of equal parts hardcore punk, heavy metal, progressive rock, and industrial—formed a subculture that, in contrast to most artistic movements, resisted the concept of modern society. Explicitly Romantic in its leanings, it idealized heroism, nature, and the wistful realism of mortality.

As with the majority art forms derived from heavy metal music, most underground metal is Nietzschean in its acceptance of the means of power as beyond mortal, and through its worship of what is powerful, creates thunderous, foreboding sound. Using the powers of distortion (and other means of electronic manipulation), heavy metal took rock music into new dimensions; its power chords are at home in all keys and modalities, and thus, lend themselves to composition in melodic phrases, creating a narrative type of song-structure that evokes some of the songwriting models prevalent in classical music and the ancient Greek modes.

1. Incantation – “Blasphemous Creation”
2. Deicide – “Holy Deception”
3. Morbid Angel – “Rapture”
4. Demilich – “The Echo”
5. Godflesh – “Like Rats”
6. Immortal – “Unsilent Storms in the North Abyss”
7. Burzum – “Det Som Engang Var”
8. Enslaved – “Midgards Eldar”
9. Ildjarn – “Eksistensens Jeger”
10. Hellhammer – “Triumph of Death”
11. Summoning – “Kortirion Among the Trees”
12. Darkthrone – “En Ås I Dype Skogen”

Death metal asserts that “only death is real,” reminding us that, whatever our moral or financial pretense, life has inherent limitations, and thus, we must find meaning in how we spend our time—we must find higher ideals than keeping up with Family Guy quotes and Dane Cook jokes. Black metal took this concept further with its praise of the “evil,” “amoral,” anti-Judeo-Christian nature of Paganism. Both genres, like German philosophers (Kant, Hegel, Schopenhauer, Nietzsche), criticize modern society for creating a fantasy world of morality, money, popularity, and equality, in which the finer aspects of nature and humanity go unrecognized. In this music, then, we hope that our listeners find some connection to that world which society continues to deny: the world where only death is real.

2008 / Corrupt.org
Title: Re: Success with $1.27 of CD-Rs
Post by: wEEman33 on January 18, 2008, 09:13:51 AM
Yeah the mixolydian mode is basically just a C major scale that starts on the V instead of the I (G instead of C).

Or in laymen terms, it's what you get when you play all the white notes on the piano, starting at G (that means there are no sharps or flats; which is how a lot of hymns and Christmas carols have been written).

In other words, the mixolydian sound is far-removed from what most of us think of as "metal."
Title: Re: Success with $1.27 of CD-Rs
Post by: death metal black metal on January 19, 2008, 03:09:21 AM
I don't think it should mention Hegel.
Title: Re: Success with $1.27 of CD-Rs
Post by: Dave on January 19, 2008, 06:07:46 AM
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I don't think it should mention Hegel.


Or Kant. In fact, that description sounds more Nietzschean than anything else. Not sure about Schopenhauer.
Title: Re: Success with $1.27 of CD-Rs
Post by: ShitFaced on January 19, 2008, 07:00:42 PM
Just make sure you have the ANUS URL and I also think it's important to mention the Audiophile section in case they want more (or just so they can see how much of this music there is).
Title: Re: Success with $1.27 of CD-Rs
Post by: More Celt Than Sassenach on January 19, 2008, 07:34:11 PM
"As with the majority art forms derived from heavy metal music".

Should be "As with the majority of art forms derived from heavy metal music." This or an apostrophe next to the word majority.
Title: Re: Success with $1.27 of CD-Rs
Post by: neoclassical on January 21, 2008, 01:30:21 AM
The whole sentence is better off without the reference to these silly philosophers.
Title: Re: Success with $1.27 of CD-Rs
Post by: wEEman33 on January 21, 2008, 04:43:41 PM
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The whole sentence is better off without the reference to these silly philosophers.


I agree; I was simply trying to make it sound less vague than "German philosophers."

Revision 1.1:

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Underground Metal

for non-metal people

Active most prominently from 1983-1993, underground metal—comprised of equal parts hardcore punk, heavy metal, progressive rock, and industrial—formed a subculture that, in contrast to most artistic movements, resisted the concept of modern society. Explicitly Romantic in its leanings, it idealized heroism, nature, and the wistful realism of mortality.

As with the majority of art forms derived from heavy metal music, most underground metal is Nietzschean in its acceptance of the means of power as beyond mortal, and through its worship of what is powerful, creates thunderous, foreboding sound. Using the powers of distortion (and other means of electronic manipulation), heavy metal took rock music into new dimensions; its power chords are at home in all keys and modalities, and thus, lend themselves to composition in melodic phrases, creating a narrative type of song-structure that evokes some of the songwriting models prevalent in classical music and the ancient Greek modes.

1. Incantation – “Blasphemous Creation”
2. Deicide – “Holy Deception”
3. Morbid Angel – “Rapture”
4. Demilich – “The Echo”
5. Godflesh – “Like Rats”
6. Immortal – “Unsilent Storms in the North Abyss”
7. Burzum – “Det Som Engang Var”
8. Enslaved – “Midgards Eldar”
9. Ildjarn – “Eksistensens Jeger”
10. Hellhammer – “Triumph of Death”
11. Summoning – “Kortirion Among the Trees”
12. Darkthrone – “En Ås I Dype Skogen”

Death metal asserts that “only death is real,” reminding us that, whatever our moral or financial pretense, life has inherent limitations, and thus, we must find meaning in how we spend our time—we must find higher ideals than keeping up with Family Guy quotes and Dane Cook jokes. Black metal took this concept further with its praise of the “evil,” “amoral,” anti-Judeo-Christian nature of Paganism. Both genres criticize modern society for creating a fantasy world of morality, money, popularity, and equality, in which the finer aspects of nature and humanity go unrecognized. In this music, then, we hope that our listeners find some connection to that world which society continues to deny: the world where only death is real.

2008 / Corrupt.org / ANUS.com




Title: Re: Success with $1.27 of CD-Rs
Post by: death metal black metal on January 21, 2008, 04:58:30 PM
Actually, I like the allusions to German philosophers and Romantic artists. Point out that this genre didn't arise in a vacuum and isn't yet another incomplete, error-prone instant philosophy.
Title: Re: Success with $1.27 of CD-Rs
Post by: death metal black metal on January 21, 2008, 04:59:38 PM
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Or Kant. In fact, that description sounds more Nietzschean than anything else. Not sure about Schopenhauer.


Kant - the idea of a perceptual filter. Important.

Schopenhauer - concept of idealism and deprecation of society's praise of itself.

Nietzsche - Schopenhauer + Kant (intuition).

Those make sense. Hegel? The progressive view of history? Errr.... no.
Title: Re: Success with $1.27 of CD-Rs
Post by: ASBO on January 22, 2008, 05:29:13 PM
I hate to be a jerk, but if you got those files up on Bit Torrent and talked them up on the forums, you could get 1,000 or more people to download them.

You're unlikely to hand out more than 100, and most people won't even hand out one.

Sorry to intrude with painful reality. Mention me in your emo suicide notes.
Title: Re: Success with $1.27 of CD-Rs
Post by: chrstphrbnntt on January 22, 2008, 06:02:46 PM
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I hate to be a jerk, but if you got those files up on Bit Torrent and talked them up on the forums, you could get 1,000 or more people to download them.


Yes, but this thread is about culturally strengthening local communities.
Title: Re: Success with $1.27 of CD-Rs
Post by: ASBO on January 22, 2008, 06:43:36 PM
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Yes, but this thread is about culturally strengthening local communities.


Let's talk/do about what is most effective? Local or widespread, doesn't mean a shit, it's what makes change that counts.
Title: Re: Success with $1.27 of CD-Rs
Post by: ShitFaced on January 22, 2008, 10:24:58 PM
While Onan may have a point, it's rare that you can really change anyone's opinion about music on the internet as everyone is so stuck-up about their own. Everyone's too busy pushing their opinion onto yours. It may be easier to reach other people on the internet - but it's easier to influence a specific some-one when your recommendation isn't coming from a random stranger on a forum. And yes, you're also helping your community as opposed to some random Cradle of Filth loving teenager who has nothing to contribute to anyone.
Title: Re: Success with $1.27 of CD-Rs
Post by: ASBO on January 23, 2008, 03:03:53 PM
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While Onan may have a point, it's rare that you can really change anyone's opinion about music on the internet as everyone is so stuck-up about their own. Everyone's too busy pushing their opinion onto yours.


That's why we benefit from the consensus of having this longstanding review site behind us.

That's why people form civilizations.
Title: Re: Success with $1.27 of CD-Rs
Post by: Prospero on January 26, 2008, 05:43:55 PM
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Most death metal has too many tempo changes to work out to properly. You need something simply rhythmically or less "hectic".


Reign In Blood




A little thought on CD-Rs: How about a Classical compilation. I think it would be more attractive to many people, especially the ones not wanting to "dig through noise". I am telling you this because I think that making it official (like the ANUS non-metal folks compilation) with a selection, is better than just an amateur looking CD.
Title: Re: Success with $1.27 of CD-Rs
Post by: popedragonslayer on February 01, 2008, 06:00:38 AM
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Reign In Blood




A little thought on CD-Rs: How about a Classical compilation. I think it would be more attractive to many people, especially the ones not wanting to "dig through noise". I am telling you this because I think that making it official (like the ANUS non-metal folks compilation) with a selection, is better than just an amateur looking CD.


It would cost a bit more, so far as CDs are concerned, but packaging them both together (with 2 articles describing the merits of each) could be a good idea. Not all people even appreciate classical, but may appreciate Metal. The same goes for the inverse.
Title: Re: Success with $1.27 of CD-Rs
Post by: Arctic Sun on February 01, 2008, 09:39:37 PM
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I hate to be a jerk, but if you got those files up on Bit Torrent and talked them up on the forums, you could get 1,000 or more people to download them.


I understand what you're getting at, but the added benefit of being able to physically communicate (and maybe even collaborate) with local individuals greatly outweighs the convenience of blanketing the internet in a manner not unlike pop-up ads.  Online activism has its pros, but they only go so far toward positive action and actual results.

Moreover, like it or not, the effort to go so far as to deliver something tangible, include a message that espouses what is timeless, and provide contact information for further discussion is very impressive with regards to this brand of message-spreading.

I realize that the outlook and temperament of locals varies from place to place, but I get the feeling that thoughtful folks in most regions will be moved by such an effort even if they don't ultimately choose to get on board and contribute to it further.  That isn't to suggest that throwing plastic at the masses is something that we should lean toward, but rather to assume that this music has the very real potential to foster valuable bonds when the corporeal medium happens to contain the genius of metal, a written account that elucidates that genius, and the gesture of having compiled such a package with the intent to pass it on in an optimistic manner (as opposed to a blind one).

I’d really like to hear what people here have to say about what they have found to be the most effective method of spreading this message in this particular capacity, as doing so could save some time and effort: in short, what has worked and what has not?
Title: Re: Success with $1.27 of CD-Rs
Post by: ASBO on February 06, 2008, 07:26:05 PM
Has anyone tried slipping them into Crowley or Nietzsche books in libraries? Hard to tell if they worked or not.
Title: Re: Success with $1.27 of CD-Rs
Post by: Reptile on February 06, 2008, 10:34:09 PM
These are all good ideas, i will defintly try this. Even if it wont possibly make this biggest change of the local music taste and lifestyle, its a well course worth fighting for. And it will without a doubt help me sleep at night.

May i suggest stuffing the cds in the jackets when some local less or more shitty metal band preforms live somewhere, or just throw the cds around or let them be lying around ?
I can actualy see this will cause some curioussity and excitement.  Wich is how ive found alot of great music.
Title: Re: Success with $1.27 of CD-Rs
Post by: Christ Fucking Malarkey on February 07, 2008, 02:15:02 AM
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Has anyone tried slipping them into Crowley or Nietzsche books in libraries? Hard to tell if they worked or not.


I've the habit of inserting ANUS fliers (http://www.anus.com/etc/fliers/) into such books. (Minus the Crowley; I don't want to attract lepers.)
Title: Re: Success with $1.27 of CD-Rs
Post by: JJ on February 07, 2008, 12:27:32 PM
I've been doing this with ANUS articles. I left them around the house then moved on to libraries and book stores.
Title: Re: Success with $1.27 of CD-Rs
Post by: runtoftheshitter on February 12, 2008, 01:21:02 PM
The problem with the internet is that the user controls the content.  If t.v. werent a christianized medium, than i wouldnt see a problem with more (real) extreme metal on the air; radio seems to be a little more feasible in my opinion.  I wouldnt mind taking over my local college station and invading a few frat houses with blasphemous noise.  Still, this idea of handing out cd's is excellent, to me.  With handing out these albums, you have the ability to make some appeal with the cover art, lyrics, liner comments, whatever..  

Even the biggest bozos in this society recognize the seriousness of a person who takes the pains to create such a compilation and especially the seriousness of the act of handing them out to your fellow man.
Title: Re: Success with $1.27 of CD-Rs
Post by: Prospero on February 12, 2008, 06:01:39 PM
I am part of the radio in my College (Quebec) and I gradually try to make a shift in the music. It ain't easy!