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Title: Shining is morbidly overrated
Post by: KIRK JOHNSON on January 23, 2008, 07:16:55 AM
For some odd reason, this band is deeply hailed in the underground metal community, even by Ildjarn listening purists. I fail to see something great about this band, it has experimental moments which sound more like generic pop (Kvartforth mentioned he listenes to Dido, Muse and Madonna), which would explain much.

Title: Re: Shining is morbidly overrated
Post by: chrstphrbnntt on January 23, 2008, 09:02:16 AM
Have you heard Strid? Excellent black metal band. Shining ripped them off quite a bit. Kanwulf stole one of their riffs. I always cite them when shit bands such as those are mentioned; they seem to have spawned a boatload of rotten imitators.

Here's (http://rapidshare.com/files/70625174/Strid_-_Strid__2005_.rar.html)'a link (password: rulodeth) to their demo and sole EP. A new compilation with unreleased material came out this year, but most of the new material kind of sucks.
Title: Re: Shining is morbidly overrated
Post by: KIRK JOHNSON on January 23, 2008, 12:15:03 PM
Thanks, but my question is why do Shining get the attention of smart individuals (In a similar way how Necrophagist can get very smart death metal fans which would otherwise listen to Gorguts, for example...)
Oh, by the way, did you mean Kanwulf of Nargaroth or Kvarforth of Shining?
Title: Re: Shining is morbidly overrated
Post by: Cynical on January 23, 2008, 12:45:00 PM
Since when do Shining get the attention of smart individuals?  I've always seen them bashed for their attention-grabbing antics (such as Kvarforth's faked suicide), moronic attitude (suicidal BM, glorifying helplessness), and derivative music.
Title: Re: Shining is morbidly overrated
Post by: chyll on January 23, 2008, 12:48:44 PM
Too many bands are overrated and more will be as populism takes over black metal completely. Ignore the hype and stick to the classics which never disappoint. Better still, branch into that music which has endured for centuries since it was conceived.
Title: Re: Shining is morbidly overrated
Post by: oscar the cat on January 24, 2008, 03:53:13 AM
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For some odd reason, this band is deeply hailed in the underground metal community, even by Ildjarn listening purists.


I noticed the same thing. It's "pretty good" just like Negura Bunget, but nothing to write home about.
Title: Re: Shining is morbidly overrated
Post by: Necrolust on January 24, 2008, 08:06:54 AM
The same reason all those "kvlt" scenecunts love their Silencer, Xasthur and Leviathan: it makes them feel better about their failures in life. The typical nu-BM scenester has very few hobbies or beliefs (fatalism anyone?), so he likely doesn't grasp how Burzum and Mütiilation are excellent while Shining and the like flop. The easiest way to see through these empty charades is to look past the aesthetics and composition, and simply just get a "feel" for what the music subconsciously expresses. Sadness for sadness' sake, worthlessness for worthlessness' sake, pity...

Not to mention their music is a piss-poor spin on even Black n' roll. If their move is to inject Rock into BM, they truly don't see it the way the progenitors saw it.  It was once a climb up the hill; anything else is artistic regression.
Title: Re: Shining is morbidly overrated
Post by: ASBO on January 26, 2008, 07:32:08 AM
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The same reason all those "kvlt" scenecunts love their Silencer, Xasthur and Leviathan: it makes them feel better about their failures in life. The typical nu-BM scenester has very few hobbies or beliefs (fatalism anyone?), so he likely doesn't grasp how Burzum and Mütiilation are excellent while Shining and the like flop.


There's also a lot of listening to it because it's metal, and others talk about it, and not thinking too hard about how it fits into the bigger context.
Title: Re: Shining is morbidly overrated
Post by: KIRK JOHNSON on January 27, 2008, 12:12:04 AM
Also, ALL SDBM (moar liek BDSM, amirite?) sound like Burzum, from Xasthur to Shining to Leviathan to Forgotten Tomb to a Nyktalgia, Nocturnal Depression and many others (the last one sounds EXACTLY like it, think of exhorder/pantera). But they will never admit they're ripoffs.
Also, some of these bands say Nargaroth is one of their influences, which is clearly a failure.
I tried to like it, most of them are clearly not worth it.  
Title: Re: Shining is morbidly overrated
Post by: helix on January 30, 2008, 05:29:16 PM
this won't help anything:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDqMemuKaK0
Title: Re: Shining is morbidly overrated
Post by: Embalming Sand on January 31, 2008, 01:56:42 AM
Since when being a homo became part of the black metal ethos?

No wonder why I felt deeply appalled by Shining's music from even before. Now I start to realize why anus dubs all this 'new' BM as emo.
Title: Re: Shining is morbidly overrated
Post by: satans_underwear on January 31, 2008, 02:12:52 AM
Shining = the new wave of AIDS infested BM.
Maniac = Billy Idol + Boy George of new BM.
Even Chuck would be appalled!
Title: Re: Shining is morbidly overrated
Post by: KIRK JOHNSON on January 31, 2008, 07:44:58 AM
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this won't help anything:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDqMemuKaK0

Same attitude as 50 cent.
Maniac looks like a retarded old priest.
Title: Re: Shining is morbidly overrated
Post by: Svmmoned on January 31, 2008, 11:35:29 AM
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Same attitude as 50 cent.


More like Marilyn Manson I would say.

It's sad to watch how culture fall. How early achievements of something that was unique not by shallow pretense, but in essence, are now ruined even by its creators.
Title: Re: Shining is morbidly overrated
Post by: Stranger on January 31, 2008, 04:55:29 PM
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Same attitude as 50 cent.
Maniac looks like a retarded old priest.


Was that Maniac of Mayhem? Wow is all I can say.  So when did homosexuality become grim, kvlt, and evil?
Title: Re: Shining is morbidly overrated
Post by: ChapelOfTorment on January 31, 2008, 07:54:18 PM
Maniac was pretty much inconsequential when it came to Mayhem at their best anyway.
Title: Re: Shining is morbidly overrated
Post by: KIRK JOHNSON on January 31, 2008, 10:35:22 PM
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Was that Maniac of Mayhem? Wow is all I can say.  So when did homosexuality become grim, kvlt, and evil?

Kvartforth is the retard with that homobandana and ripped jeans, Maniac is the old senile priest.
Title: Re: Shining is morbidly overrated
Post by: Necrolust on February 01, 2008, 12:15:24 PM
It's wonderful (if not for token proof that BM has become degenerate) to see that wigger posturing and Panteraisms have made their way into BM. And does Kvarforth think he's somehow emulating G.G. Allin or some other poor musician making up for bland, lifeless music with histrionic behavior?