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Title: Punk that rules
Post by: ASBO on April 03, 2008, 03:54:52 PM
There's some punk music out there that rules. But I've found that, as in metal, there are a few bands who define the genre, and then a horde of hipsters and shitheads come in and adulterate it.

POP PUNK
Descendants
Agent Orange
Iggy and the Stooges
Sex Pistols

PUNK HARDCORE
Discharge
Amebix
Minor Threat

GRINDCORE
Repulsion
Terrorizer

THRASH
D.R.I.
dead horse
Cryptic Slaughter

The stuff that came after just combines these styles, but also has nothing important to say, like it's repeating ideas not just in form but in content.
Title: Re: Punk that rules
Post by: chrstphrbnntt on April 03, 2008, 04:22:05 PM
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The stuff that came after just combines these styles, but also has nothing important to say, like it's repeating ideas not just in form but in content.


I don't like this attitude. Just because a band came later doesn't mean their music is passionless and insincere, or inferior for whatever other reasons. If you don't like No Comment, Siege, Infest, Crossed Out, et al, that's fine... I don't like The Sex Pistols and think Terrorizer gets boring after 2 songs -- but stating your opinion as fact is irritating. That sort of stuff lends to the general antipathy most metalheads have towards ANUS.
Title: Re: Punk that rules
Post by: kontinual on April 03, 2008, 04:30:01 PM
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I don't like this attitude. Just because a band came later doesn't mean their music is passionless and insincere, or inferior for whatever other reasons. If you don't like No Comment, Siege, Infest, Crossed Out, et al, that's fine... I don't like The Sex Pistols and think Terrorizer gets boring after 2 songs -- but stating your opinion as fact is irritating. That sort of stuff lends to the general antipathy most metalheads have towards ANUS.


It came after because by definition it was temporally later, but that doesn't mean necessarily that the general observation about form over content is false.

Let's please not kill discussions wholesale with the tossing around of "opinions."
Title: Re: Punk that rules
Post by: Apocalyptic Raves on April 03, 2008, 04:38:35 PM
Most punks will generally agree that the pistols were a fraud.

Don't forget about the Oi, man.

Gotta be picky with the punk nowadays. Just like black metal.
Title: Re: Punk that rules
Post by: Linnaeus on April 03, 2008, 05:39:57 PM
http://www.punk77.co.uk/groups/crisis.htm

Late 70's punk, members later started the neo-folk genre (DIJ, sol invictus)
Title: Re: Punk that rules
Post by: ASBO on April 03, 2008, 06:29:04 PM
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Just because a band came later doesn't mean their music is passionless and insincere, or inferior for whatever other reasons.


You fail at reading comprehension.

There was no causal relationship of that nature implied!
Title: Re: Punk that rules
Post by: Bereft on April 04, 2008, 01:59:24 AM
Black Flag are worthy of appreciation.

Are there any quality punk(or derivative) bands around today, or are we unanimously agreed that this genre has been deceased for at least a decade or two?
Title: Re: Punk that rules
Post by: Prospero on April 04, 2008, 08:45:33 AM
I agree about Black Flag. I think their frontman has a great personality. Back to topic, would more experimental bands like Minutemen and Wire fit under your definition of punk, onan? And how about present-day Darkthrone?
Title: Re: Punk that rules
Post by: chrstphrbnntt on April 04, 2008, 09:01:14 AM
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Black Flag are worthy of appreciation.

Are there any quality punk(or derivative) bands around today, or are we unanimously agreed that this genre has been deceased for at least a decade or two?


9 times out of 10 I'd rather listen to D.R.I., but Municipal Waste is a good crossover band. Worth seeing live -- they're touring with At the Gates soon.
Title: Re: Punk that rules
Post by: Humanicide on April 04, 2008, 01:06:10 PM
i hate the Sex Pistols. nothing but a fabricated boy band put together by a fashion designer.

the Exploited and GBH did what they did, but faster, meaner, and with much better quality songwriting.

im partial to a lot of punk, though i must admit that the genre has become a complete parody of itself.

Municipal Waste is a load of fun live.
Title: Re: Punk that rules
Post by: Reptile on April 04, 2008, 10:51:18 PM
What about the new punk/trash bands as bludwulf and toxic holocaust ? Their lyrics might be too fictional but they still got that old and raw demo sound.
Title: Re: Punk that rules
Post by: My AIDS, Your Arse on April 05, 2008, 12:02:03 AM
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What about the new punk/trash bands as bludwulf and toxic holocaust ? Their lyrics might be too fictional but they still got that old and raw demo sound.


I haven't listened to them, but punk is dead. Punk remains dead. And we have killed it. It died with the onslaught of that gay 80's hair and glam metal; whatever was left of punk gave its last dying breath to thrash metal. (Thrash metal died too, and passed its energies to death metal.)

The bands you mention are probably what I like to call "recreational" bands. They came way after punk and thrash died, so they're milking a dead cow. Like Toxic Narcotic (the only one I've listened to).

I would recommend that you stay away from these, because they aren't as great as their progenitors.

Listen to this man:
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The stuff that came after just combines these styles, but also has nothing important to say, like it's repeating ideas not just in form but in content.

Any band can emulate a sound, even the low-fi production style. But few bands are intelligent enough to convey brilliant ideas with a particular sound.
Title: Re: Punk that rules
Post by: Humanicide on April 05, 2008, 02:27:17 AM
i think he meant Toxic Holocaust. Toxic Narcotic is a totally different band.

while Toxic Holocaust do have that "old raw demo sound", their songwriting leaves a lot to be desired. nothing about them is bad, but after the first song ends i wonder if i am still listening to the same song when the next track starts. it fails to keep your attention.

i will agree that punk is dead, but there are still a few "zombie bands" which are of interest.
Title: Re: Punk that rules
Post by: burewestnik on April 05, 2008, 04:50:45 AM
I`m surprised that no one has yet mentioned His Hero is Gone and Tragedy, they sound like a well made Amebix update.
Title: Re: Punk that rules
Post by: Humanicide on April 05, 2008, 07:29:18 AM
His Hero is Gone combines overt melody and crust punk. two things that really should not be together, in my view. theyre pretty boring.

time would be better spent listening to Doom or Extreme Noise Terror, if one wishes for a crust punk fix.
Title: Re: Punk that rules
Post by: burewestnik on April 06, 2008, 01:17:24 PM
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His Hero is Gone combines overt melody and crust punk.


I think that`s how they managed to bring the bitterness out, which adds depth to the crust punk.
Title: Re: Punk that rules
Post by: Humanicide on April 06, 2008, 07:58:13 PM
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I think that`s how they managed to bring the bitterness out, which adds depth to the crust punk.


For me, it just seems fake. a gimmick of sorts. being melodic for the sake of melody.

id much rather listen to other crust.

on the topic of other crust; who here enjoys Disfear? "Soul Scars" is one hell of a crust album. i have not heard their newest one yet, but "Misanthropic Generation" is a decent listen, although it tends to drag about halfway through. still, Tomas Lindberg is one of my favorite vocalists, and he does a great job on that album.
Title: Re: Punk that rules
Post by: My AIDS, Your Arse on April 06, 2008, 11:55:04 PM
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i think he meant Toxic Holocaust. Toxic Narcotic is a totally different band.


Yeah, Toxic Narcotic was the only other "recreational" band I could think of, I hadn't listened to the others. I see why the name caused confusion though, like all of the bands that share the 'Dis-' prefix. I probably should have mentioned Leftover Crack too. Horrible recreational bands, they are.

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i will agree that punk is dead, but there are still a few "zombie bands" which are of interest.


You've already nailed a few: Doom, Extreme Noise Terror, and Disfear.

The thing about Disfear is that they started off well, but everything after their first album sound too much like Entombed after they caught HIV.

I suppose that's what happens when you try to feed people leftovers day in and day out.

Obviously new people are going to be all right with these leftovers and appreciate it (I hope we enjoy metaphors here), but everyone who has had the same damned meal each night is going to be sick of it and probably cook something fresh and new (or find someone else who is doing so), or perhaps cook the leftovers into another dish, or, for the lazy ones, go out and eat the same shitty fast food that everyone else likes and doesn't care if it's bad for them. It doesn't matter how much nutrient-deprived grease it contains as long as it's filling.

After a while though, the leftovers will get stale, the fast food will choke hearts, and nobody will be healthy enough to survive after eating any of them, except for the people willing to cook their own damned food instead of having others serve them shit. In the end, the people who cooked their own food had the best meals, and often ate them before they got rotten.
Title: Re: Punk that rules
Post by: ASBO on April 07, 2008, 02:52:51 PM
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who here enjoys Disfear? "Soul Scars" is one hell of a crust album.


That album is fantastic. Like a punk version of Demoncy's Joined in Darkness.

The rest of their stuff left me cold. Leftovers, warmed but not heated.
Title: Re: Punk that rules
Post by: Humanicide on April 07, 2008, 04:15:33 PM
onan, have you heard Doom? try out their "Fuck Peaceville" compilation. absolutely crushing.

Wolfpack's "Lycanthoro Punk" is an album in the vein of "Soul Scars", albeit with a bit clearer production, thicker guitars, and a much different kind of vocalist.

on the topic of older punk, the Circle Jerks' "Group Sex" and G.B.H.'s "City Baby Attacked By Rats" are both great albums.